salemsaberhagen

A very interesting thread. I am from Scotland and I don't know if any of you know much about this country but the girls in it are probably not as nice as girls in other countries. There does seem to be an endless production line of bleached blondes with over-tanned faces and too much make up that drink waaaay to much, eat too much and smoke too much! A lot of which I do NOT find attractive. But we do have our share of hotties.

The biggest problem with girls in Scotland is that even if they are 4's, 5's or 6's they really believe themselves to be 9+, it is very irritating.

Anyhoo, I will be putting some of what I have read here into action. I think the advice here can be adapted for everyone whether you are looking for dates/sex/relationships etc. A date can turn into a relationship, if that's what you want.

The bottom line is to bring those qualities to the surface that work, the ones that some of you keep hidden. The witty lines, the ego etc. Be cheeky/cocky but don't be an @sshole, be confident but don't be ARROGANT, be a nice guy but don't be a doormat. Be funny just don't be a ****in' CLOWN! Most of all, be genuine. Women pick up on this, they read body language better than us. If you try to be fake, you will come across as fake, whether you realise it or not. Be natural, be confident and adapt plan9's advice to your own ends and it will work.

Being a nice guy/decent guy/polite guy/smart is not WRONG. Never think that. I used to make excuses like, girls don't like smart guys because they prefer to hang with guys that make them look better, girls these days prefer shorter guys because it makes them feel more empowered, girls aren't interested in me because *enter cliche here*. The thing is use what you have to your advantage, just don't broadcast it. If you are chatting to a girl, being C/F making her laugh and then leave at the height of conversation this WILL leave them feeling that they have to know ore about you. Mystery is good. Would people give a damn about the Bermuda triangle if they knew what the cause of all the weird stuff was? Of course not, it is a mystery and mystery intrigues people. Getting back to what I was saying though. If you lay the ground work and a woman finds you interesting and mysterious and like you and then she finds out that on top of all this you are NICE, GENUINE, POLITE, GENTLEMANLY etc, this will only make her like you more, providing she finds out a bit at a time. If however after spending time with her and you have no good qualities, you will get dumped.

So going back to what I said about dates/sex/relationships and how it all relates....
If you want sex only, the c/f thing will work becase she will find you interesting long enough for you to bang her and she doesn't have long enogh to find out you were only after one thing in the first place (not something I advocate by the way).

If you want dates only then the c/f thing will also work because girls love guys who make them laugh, are intersting, have confidence in themselves. However if you have no really good qualities even this tacic will get old and if she wants to take tings further and you don't then she will either dump you or you will leave and move on to the next date. Which leads me to...

Relationships. After the initial c/f work, the advice about not phoning too often, not too many compliments etc, and the two of you have got to know yourselves better, she can then find ut your finer qualities (if you have any) and then you can open up a bit more (notice I said a BIT more) and a relationship can develop because by that time you have shown yourself yo be an intersting, multi-faceted individula who is WORTH THE EFFORT.

So don't worry if you think all the advice in this thread is just about looking for a quick fling, it is all ADAPTABLE. Just don't use it to get laid and use girls because that is WRONG. Fine having casual sex if that is what both parties want, but I don't like guys who use the 'patter' (good Scottish word), to hump and dump some poor gir who doesn't have the brains to see through a guy's crap.

Women do really want protecion, they may not admit it but they do. Whether this is emotional, financial or physical. A woma nmay be with a guy because he is rich (financial), Musclebound (physical) or just a cool guy/nice guy/guy who keeps her entertained (emotional). At the end of the day we all want someone who makes us feel good, and in some cases (moreso in the case of women) safe.

So that was my $0.02.

StickODynomite

Ahem... guys.. I wouldn't take this part too seriously. It's not true (a lot of women like guys w/ hair.. nothing wrong w/ that. It's natural) . The part about "the hot ones" ... haha .. sorry i had to laugh.

As far as everything else goes.. In lesson 1 (i haven't read 2 yet) I agree. Just take care of yourselves guys.

And as far as skin care products go, I know a lot of macho guys dont want to go get "girl" products but I recommend Este Lauder. It isn't cheap (unless you find an "as is" store.. they sell the facial wash for about $9) but it does a great job ! I also recommend Burgesse (sp) and that's even more expensive, but hey.. if you can afford it..

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pinkie

"Most guys fitting the "nice, well adjusted, normal" stereotype are also "boring, unattractive, and shy" in the eyes of women"

Bullshit.

Not if they're smart and stick around long enough to see how many licks it takes to get to their creamy center.

tecoyah

Okay....I read about one tenth of the CRAP in this thread....so I apologize in advance if this has been said before.

Women deserve respect, and for some little boy to decide deciet is the only means to sexual satisfaction is so very sad. When the Boys become Men, and understand that sex is a really cool byproduct of a healthy, respectful relationship....perhaps they will figure out how to make love, and give some level of pleasure back to the owner of the hole they so desire. For now...go ahead and dwell in your misguided feelings of superiority over the three minutes of vigor you likely manage to sustain. In time I hope you actually manage to grasp the usefullness of companionship, and perhaps even consider the feelings of someone other than yourself.

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beofotch5

this thread should be compiled into a book and sold to earn income for TFP... if you can't get laid reading this stuff, there is no hope for you.

onesandzeroes

http://www.jbspencer.com/djb/

This takes a more compassionate and honest approach to similar ideas. Which I think is what some of you were looking for/are critical of

trekker11

This was completely ripped from:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...9&page=1&pp=30

ComradeJoe23

No shit buddy, he says that in the first post....

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PgUpPgDown

Plan9, are you David DeAngelo in disguise?

Furry

You know, this all seems horrendously complicated. All these dirty little tactics... tch, honestly...

Although, having been chased around a park by a nymphomaniac with tweezers intent on getting my evolving chest hair when I was 17 tends to leave scars towards the whole pick-up-girls thing .... I kid you not.

I am the kind of person that will often lurk in a corner of clubs watching other people play the game. Having racked up a fair number of hours, I've come to two conclusions. 1) I will not meet the kind of person I'm looking for there and 2) beer soaked confidence makes for some incredibly stupid behaviour on both sides. That said, the comedy value is utterly priceless.

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vector_1979

True. Although I know two friends who have got engaged and married after meeting each other at a night club. Although laws of probability reside.

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777

Since we tfpers now have this huge resource for pick-ups and the gals have it to spot pick-up artist, I thought I'd add this site to everyone's bags of tricks.

Enjoy

http://www.fastseduction.com/guide/

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Cagney

I don't know about all that stuff about calculating how many times to call and whatever, but there are as many ways to get girls as there are girls in the world so I am sure it works in some cases.

I have been pretty successful with two ways of meeting girls. 1 is that I used to move about once every year or two years, and I always find someone on a *pay* roommate finder. Never a person I already know. And find a person who seems likeable or social, and seems to have a lot of friends. Plus you can get pointers from watching him. Then your friend group and his will meet and hopefully the circle will grow. Nowadays girls don't go out as much it seems, and mutual friends always seems to be a good technique. Strategy 2 involves working at a company with at least a hundred people, or in some kind of social interacting job. I enjoyed working at blockbuster a few years ago. You might be too close at work to date, but sometimes not, and you will meet plenty of people and they all know at least a few girls.

As far as what to talk about, I have never been good at preparing something to say or figuring out what a girl wants to hear. I just be honest with them and talk about whatever is going on and joke around a little. Keeping it light. The one lesson that I think is true enough for every man to at least consider is the "Up Periscope" theory. If a guy looks like he's "on the prowl" with his periscope up looking around, girls notice and have an aversion to that. I believe girls are more comfortable talking with a guy who feels that it's no big deal talking to her, and they're not just out trying to pick up chicks.

I think the bottom line is that girls are just like us - with similar fears, hopes, insecurities... But sometimes their beauty and our cravings make it seem like it's a bigger deal than it is. Treating girls like regular people has always worked.

Oh, and another thing I've learned is that it seems girls wish to be appreciated for what they have accomplished and what they do, rather than the fact that they happened to be born pretty. A compliment on their choices or their style goes further than just complimenting them on how pretty you think they are.

I would recommend relax, be yourself, and be considerate. Oh and take care of yourself. Go to Marshall's, get a nice shirt and iron the mothafucka. Not because women only go for clean hair and pressed shirts - but because everyone knows that if you care about yourself and your appearance, it shows that you can care for someone else.

If all else fails, work your ass off and make a lot of money. There are a lot of girls who like money. Girls don't chase Donald Trump because of his sexy haircut.

Heavy

Write the book and make millions.

questone

We are all good people deep inside, but like I have said before, a little game playing is necessary in keeping them hooked and interested.

Plan9Senior

Hey all, I am back after a long break from these boards. How are you all doing?

When I returned I noticed I had many unanswered PMs... sorry about that . Hopefully I will be more efficient about returning your questions. It has been a while since this thread was created and there is a lot of more information that I have acquired since starting it. I am looking forward to getting the time to share some more info with you all

Plan9Senior

haha, David D rocks. He has some very great workshops on Body Language that I recommend all of you checking out.

tecoyah

Confidence, Humor, and Intellect......but looking good helps quite a bit.

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Plan9Senior

Quite a bit? Not necessarily true at all actually. Looking good is just gravy. Fortunately when it comes to getting women us men have a bonus in that it is possible for us to actually create attraction based on using confidence and skills you learn from people like me or anybody else that are knowledged with the game. I have many friends that I have trained that would be considered even below average in the looks department but they get more tail then the average person.

snowy

I have to say I find that this thread just promotes playing mind games--for both sexes, which isn't cool, fun, and does not lead to anything long-lasting or worthwhile. Sure, you might get laid, but I personally found when I was a "player" (and yes, females can do that), skipping the head games was more likely to get me a guy. And as a female, I hate guys who play games.

We're not in middle school, for crying out loud.

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tecoyah

Tail...heh....havent heard that one in awhile. While I agree looking good is not a requirement to attract a woman....it is extremely handy in attracting Girls. But if the intent is simply to get "Tail", all the mind games listed above will come in quite handy. I suppose my "skills" in the game are simply....outdated and inadequate....woe is me.

tecoyah sits in a corner ...all lonely....and weeps to himself

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Carno

This thread isn't exactly about finding "anything long-lasting or worthwhile."

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jeenyus_ones

Heres my tips for getting easy sex with easy typical girls (blonde,dumb, big titties)

1. Go back to Grade school, tease her a bit, make fun of her but in a playful manner.

2. Always be in charge. When you go out don't be indecisive, girls hate a man who doesn't know what he wants.

3. Don't act like the girl is TOO important to you. Act like shes just another girl on your list, even if she is the only girlk on your list. This is probably the hardest to do but practice makes perfect.

Have fun

Plan9Senior

Ok I came back here after a long haitus and based on the few posters above me I can see that some of you do not care about being a man and are content on being a pussy. I was hoping to hear some more questions or situations I could help you with other then hear from these AFC douchebags that are content with their subpar dating lives. I will move back to my home.. just figured I would help my old home out but it seems there is no real men that still hang out here . Enjoy, take care, and goodbye

tecoyah

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Ustwo

When I first read some of this thread I was of the 'mind games are wrong' blah blah be your self perspective.

Then I realized I'd be a hypocrite doing so.

I 'played the game' when I realized what most women want at the subconcious level. Long story short, they want confidence and strength (inner/outer, but strength). They want the alpha male, someone who seems perhaps even superior too them.

By being the nice guy, you are being the submissive one too, and most women I find want no part in that. They may say they are looking for a sensitive caring guy, but thats their brains talking not their gonads and we all know where logic goes when it comes to sex.

As such instead of letting a girl know I really liked her and was interested I'd act like it didn't matter, I'd be happy if she were there, but just as happy if she wasn't. She wouldn't know if I really wanted her or not, she would have to get MY attention, not the other way around.

Worked wonders, and I suddenly found myself with more dates then I knew what to do with. I figured it out, and we have been together for the last 14 years.

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Poppinjay

Glad that worked for you. It wouldn't have worked for me. My SO doesn't really enjoy feeling inferior. That's one of the things I love about her.

I already have a pet.

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skier

lol.

I think you missed the point entirely. It's not about being superior to the woman, it's about being your own man and not needing a woman/relationship to be "whole". Being perfectly happy standing on your own two feet.

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Ustwo

Yes he did, and thats exactly my point.

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Dale

You have given some great advise. I wish I had known of it years before. Still, if you are shy you make your own failure. You basically think you are interupting the girl who would rather do her own thing without you bothering her. Also, being intelligent is a detriment. I was always the top of my class but never had a girl. `

Dude51

I was in a relationship for a long time, and when I got out of the relationship I used a couple things from this post to make life easier.

First of all, your natural charm will win over any girl that naturally matches you. You shouldn't change to match a girl that doesn't match you because in the end, you will revert to what you used to be. If you don't think that you will, or if you choose not to revert, you will become very tired of putting up a smoke screen. That being said, I don't think you should be a messy, ignorant slob. Being courteous and dressing for success works in personal life as well as business.

The one key area that I found people had a hard time with (those that I hung around with when I was single) was conversation. People just didn't know how to have a conversation with a girl and keep her interested. Sure, starting a conversation out of the blue may seem daunting, but if you can find a common topic with a girl (where you are, what you are looking at, etc.) then it's really actually quite easy to keep the girl interested.

As mentioned earlier in this thread, you must ASK QUESTIONS. It's really that simple... women love talking about themselves. Ask a question, get a reply. Now find a subject in what they replied to you about and ask a question about that. Keep going and you won't have any awkward spots during the night, AND she might even ask you some questions and show you that she is actually interested in you. Once you get passed that awkward stage (date 3 or so), you should be able to make a decision whether or not the girl fits your personality or not.

Oh, and it's not stupid to practice conversation skills. Ask a buddy of yours, or show him the method so you can practice on each other.

Remember:

1. Yes, you shouldn't look like a dufus, but be yourself. Don't go and buy chains or see through shirts if that's not your thing. You'll attract the wrong type of person if you are actually trying to find a relationship.
2. Ask questions about every answer to the previous question. This will string along the conversation so there are no awkward moments, and you'll appear charming because you are interested.
3. Gauge her interest level by the number of questions she asks. If she doesn't ask any questions of you, ask yourself if that's the type of person you want.

Easy as pie. Thanks to this thread.

Toaster126

Being intelligent isn't a detriment, because the ones upset by or threatened by intelligence are balanced out by the ones who are more interested because of it.

Oftentimes the most academically gifted are that way because they have combined natural intelligence with study time. When you have focused on grades, you lose time for things like social networking and learning social interaction skills. Those lack of skills lead you to make certain decisions about how you lead your life, and it becomes a self-fufilling prophecy.

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tspikes51

Wow. I just started reading this thread... the OP's lessons are pretty time-tested and sound. Anyways, I thought I'd give some of the game-challenged guys a bit of help. This is an excerpt from an actual IM conversation between a sorority girl and myself, initiated by her (this is a bit later, after the "hi's" and what not) pulled straight from the log.

Me: high life always lifts me up
Girl: it's the champagne of beers
Me: yeah, good point
Girl: i kno
G: i'm pretty cool
M: yeah, ur okay sometimes
G: umm u kno i'm the shit
M: I believe I laid claim to that title long ago
M: like march 25, 1986
G: whatever
M: but you're welcome to use the title belt whenever I'm not
G: whatever ur gay
M: lol, u kno that's not true now
G: oh really
M: look, he was just a friend... haha
M: I guess you could be the shit too... doesn't bother me much
G: i'm the bomb.com
M: lol, now THAT's gay
M: but u can have that one... I won't stop u
G: lol
M: yeah... I'm done with my beer, so I think I'm gonna go to bed
G: ok
G: night night sweetie

This is a good example of playfully busting on the girl. Nothing offensive. Notice her "attack" on me, when she called me "gay." Little did she know that she gave me a chance to show how secure I was in my masculinity (which is a good topic I may discuss sometime). Also, notice that I ended the conversation, even though I probably didn't go to bed.

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match000

Pretty good. I like how you played it off cool and light when she called you gay. Most guys would probably be like: "What are you smoking. No way I'm not". Which is an ok response. Also Bad response: "What, do i look gay to you."

tspikes51

Okay, tecoyah, I just read this post... and it's a good segue into explaining what exactly I use these "tactics" for, and what everybody else should be using them for. So without further ado:

As tecoyah said, companionship is ultimately the goal here, and, yes, women most certainly deserve respect. However, in order to enter any kind of romantic relationship, both partners must find each other attractive. Men are initially (I mean within the first 5 minutes of knowing the person) attracted to women almost soley based on how good they look. Women are also attracted to looks, but it also takes heaps of attractive personality and confidence. Think of it this way: a somewhat attractive woman stands in a mall, asking random men who walk by if they would like to go out to dinner with them. Ninety-five percent would say yes (this was an actual study, I don't want to dig it up right now, but it's been done). Now, if an attractive man were to ask random women out, it would be far less of an occurrence to say yes. These pointers are good way to make yourself attractive so that you can "experiment" with as many people as possible, and therefore increasing your chances of finding someone who is suitable for companionship. This isn't deceit, it is just pointing out some very general things that most women find attractive, and how to go about fitting some of those things. Women, mostly (at least around the age when men hit their sex drives), are just pickier than men about sex partners. I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is, and there IS scientific evidence to back that up. I would love nothing more than to have a steady relationship with a woman for the rest of my life, and I honestly try to go further into it than just a night of sex, but if it doesn't work, I can't make it. Again, I'm sorry, but that's the way it is.

Note to the guys: don't be a dick, follow a few simple rules, or I will find you and kick your ass:

1) Don't ever try to force a woman to have sex with you.
2) If you have to resort to make her drink to excess to get in her pants, you're sad. I will probably still kick your ass for trying it.
3) If you have sex with a woman, and she gives you a number, or she contacts you, don't try to avoid her. Give her a call, it might be worth it.

Note to the women reading this thread:

Please, oh please don't fall for the "badass" that treats you like shit. I see it everyday, and women do it to themselves all the time. I know it's the guy being abusive, but with most guys it just takes breaking up with them or calling a chivalrous guy like myself to come kick his ass.

That's all for tonight.

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Strange Famous

this is prolly the greatest thread in the whole of tfp history. Plan8 is a legend, man

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auriuman78

Well shitty... I was hoping to let you know that the stuff in here works phantastic but you're gone. To those reading still, this stuff works! Personally tested for quite some time now, and response is increasing with time. The ratings are going up too... used to only get 3-5's and now getting 7-9's!

BTW, you don't have to use this stuff just to sack a girl... this is pretty good stuff all around. You have to be able to keep any mate of a relationship interested in you if you expect for it to last any amount of time with happiness. Things like not being a wuss, having confidence, taking care of yourself, being able to talk to her and keep her stimulated (in all ways, but the talk is most important--when you're 80 there isn't much else left...).

So for all you guys AND gals out there that think this is a lame-o post by some guy trying to show other guys how to mind-screw women into getting into their panties, taste this one: there is very specific advice on how to get into a girls panties here, but applied correctly this stuff can get and keep a mate for the long haul (all except for the one-itis avoidance thing...).

Just a personal note to p9 if you still happen to glance in - thanks a lot for the advice bro. Lots of big changes have been happening thanks to your lessons. Peace.

Plan9

Plan 9, huh?

God, Misfits fans and their lack of modesty.

(sees his own tattoo in a mirror)

(blink-blink)

Nevermind.

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debaser

Ernest Hemmingway is rolling over in his grave. You might as well rename this thread "How to get a woman by becoming one". I'm pretty sure they give out the same advice in 17 magazine.

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Carno

Twelve pages in this thread and that was the best you could come up with?

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