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Dnz · 10-27-2003, 05:46 PM

dude all those things are placebo's

Their greater aim is to build confidence through making you think you got everything figured out.

Thats all it is, confidence.

If people cant be confident in themselves, they tell themselves they are the shit and know everything there is to know and all the rules. So yeah, become comfortable with yourself, and others will too.

hy_ · 10-29-2003, 01:57 PM

good post, keep up the good work Plan9.

nightshade000 · 10-29-2003, 07:40 PM

I realise I'm coming into this late, but to comment on the guy who was saying if you're an intelligent guy with a good heart you're fucked. That's so not true. If you're an intelligent guy with a good heart who's a wuss [no offense intended towards anyone, really], then you're fucked. Yes, projected image is no doubt an important factor in picking up girls. Realise this and change your image. Note: this DOES NOT require chaning your personality per-se. Pick up a banna republic catalog, look at how the men dress. Go to nordstrom's and look at how the male manaquins are dressed. If you can't afford those stores, go look, then goto a discount shop. You can get very similar clothes much cheaper at places like Ross and TJ Max. Kenneth Cole, DKNY, etc, etc, are your friend. I know for a fact you can pick up those brands in discount stores as well. Get yourself a nice pair of dress shoes, you can pick them up for $50-$70. Leather soled shoes are better. Not only will clothes like these show women that you care about your appearence, but you will also automaticaly pass any dress code that any place will have no matter where the night takes you. You really don't want to meet a hot girl and then not be able to go where she wants to go because you're wearing jeans and sneakers and the club has a dress code. Dressing well will make you feel better, which will make you FAR more successfull with the girls. Also, remeber, girls notice the details. Shine your new dress shoes before going out, and make sure that your socks are the same color as your belt.

Dressing the part will take care of 60% of projected image. Well fitting clothes will also help hide your spare tire if you need to hit the gym. If wearing nice pants and a button down shirt is too dressy for you, unbutton the top button and roll up your sleaves. If you roll up your sleaves, I can't stress enough, do it right. Just shoving your sleeves up will look sloppy.

Back to the wuss part: All you have to do is not do something you wouldn't do to your male friends. You can be your goofy self (this is probably best) but don't all of a sudden lay down and do whatever. I used to be the "Intelligent and good hearted ....not getting girls type" In retrospection, I can see where I just laid down... Calling too much will turn girls off (in fact, if you have caller ID, you should screen your calls...you don't HAVE to be available when/if they call you). Again, I stress, you don't have to be an ass to a girl to get her to like you, just don't appear to have low self esteem and don't appear to be desperate. Just be yourself, and maybe create an aura or 'being in demand' --this will help kick off a lot of girls natural competativeness

If other girls want you, there's got to be something worth having in you.

Honestly though, to those who post 'Am the only one who feels depresed .........' you imediately sound well, like, self depreciating.. if a guy can detect it, a girl definately can, and most don't find it attractive.

Oh, and Plan9 has some good advice, listen to it

Dnz · 10-29-2003, 11:07 PM

exactly.

Its all a self fulfilling prophecy.

If you say youre a wuss and suck, its self defeating and you wont make it.

Thats why 'jerks' get the girl, coz confidence is there.

You can be whatever you want as long as youre confident and outgoing, and dont appear desperate. It makes common sense. All which has been written is just to build up those aspects..

marcus37 · 10-30-2003, 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lunchbox7
Am I the only one who feels depressed that it doesnt matter who you are. It only matters what image you present.

actually this is only for finding someone in a public meeting place (bar, club, parking lot etc.). Well then ya, your image is important. If you want to find a SO by way of friendship, chance, mutual friends, or activity, then who you are will have more of a chance to come out.
In most places were it is ok to "make a pass at" someone, who we are is put aside until we get them on a date. And then for most people that can take time, to fully show who they are.

Plan9Senior · 10-30-2003, 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Averett
edited by rogue49 for flaming

edited by rogue49 for insulting remark
, so I will take your condescending post with a grain of salt

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Plan9Senior · 10-30-2003, 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Z_UWF
Hi Plan9. Nice tips, I've been reading them along with that fastseduction.com link. Helped a bunch. For instance, I have this chick I've been working on since prior to reading the posts. I asked her number after dropping her off at her dorm (seemed odd that she needed a ride across the fucking street, figured that was an obvious clue). Anyways, she said sure she'd give me her number, but could it be next class. I act indifferent, say no problem, but am thinking to myself wtf? Anyways, onto your advice helping... talk about always being prepared... Turns out, she's a friend of my roommate's girlfriend's roommate! I end up seeing her over the weekend (before the next class), chat with her some more, but follow the advice of ending the conv on a high note. I say I have to go.. I never bring up the phone number thing cus I don't want to look needy. And what do you know? She brings up the phone number thing, says she still needs to give me her number, suggests giving it right now. I say no prob, we exchange numbers, and bam! I plan on calling on Monday (this was Saturday night). Of course, I won't be asking for a "date." Any further suggestions?

Perfect Z_UWF! You played that EXACTLY the way you should have. Update me on this and how soon you end up sleeping with her

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Plan9Senior · 10-30-2003, 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nightshade000
I realise I'm coming into this late, but to comment on the guy who was saying if you're an intelligent guy with a good heart you're fucked. That's so not true. If you're an intelligent guy with a good heart who's a wuss [no offense intended towards anyone, really], then you're fucked. Yes, projected image is no doubt an important factor in picking up girls. Realise this and change your image. Note: this DOES NOT require chaning your personality per-se. Pick up a banna republic catalog, look at how the men dress. Go to nordstrom's and look at how the male manaquins are dressed. If you can't afford those stores, go look, then goto a discount shop. You can get very similar clothes much cheaper at places like Ross and TJ Max. Kenneth Cole, DKNY, etc, etc, are your friend. I know for a fact you can pick up those brands in discount stores as well. Get yourself a nice pair of dress shoes, you can pick them up for $50-$70. Leather soled shoes are better. Not only will clothes like these show women that you care about your appearence, but you will also automaticaly pass any dress code that any place will have no matter where the night takes you. You really don't want to meet a hot girl and then not be able to go where she wants to go because you're wearing jeans and sneakers and the club has a dress code. Dressing well will make you feel better, which will make you FAR more successfull with the girls. Also, remeber, girls notice the details. Shine your new dress shoes before going out, and make sure that your socks are the same color as your belt. Dressing the part will take care of 60% of projected image. Well fitting clothes will also help hide your spare tire if you need to hit the gym. If wearing nice pants and a button down shirt is too dressy for you, unbutton the top button and roll up your sleaves. If you roll up your sleaves, I can't stress enough, do it right. Just shoving your sleeves up will look sloppy.

Back to the wuss part: All you have to do is not do something you wouldn't do to your male friends. You can be your goofy self (this is probably best) but don't all of a sudden lay down and do whatever. I used to be the "Intelligent and good hearted ....not getting girls type" In retrospection, I can see where I just laid down... Calling too much will turn girls off (in fact, if you have caller ID, you should screen your calls...you don't HAVE to be available when/if they call you). Again, I stress, you don't have to be an ass to a girl to get her to like you, just don't appear to have low self esteem and don't appear to be desperate. Just be yourself, and maybe create an aura or 'being in demand' --this will help kick off a lot of girls natural competativeness If other girls want you, there's got to be something worth having in you.

Honestly though, to those who post 'Am the only one who feels depresed .........' you imediately sound well, like, self depreciating.. if a guy can detect it, a girl definately can, and most don't find it attractive.

Oh, and Plan9 has some good advice, listen to it

Hey nightshade000 nice advice

Plan9Senior · 10-30-2003, 02:38 AM

TOnight I ended up going to a club with a girl "friend" of mine who brought along a few of her friends. Ended up dancing all night and hooking up with 2 of her friends on the dance floor. The second girl I kissed on, i said, "uh oh.. your roomate just kissed me a lil bit ago". This girl said, "Thats ok, she's ok with it". I knew then, that it was going to be an interesting night. On the way back from the club I was sitting in the back seat of my girl "friend's" car when the first girl that I was with started to kiss me. I started getting into it.. kissing on her neck, fingering her under her skirt, when her friend in the passenger seat (the one who I hooked up with after this one) said, "thats not fair, I want to have fun". The girl I was kissing on said, "fine"... crawled over me as her friend in the passenger seat climbed in back and took her spot. I began to fool around with her in the back seat. When we got home, did I ask for either of their numbers? Hell no. I told them that I was going to go home because I have to work in the morning, and before I got to my car, one of them walked to me and asked me for my number. I gave it to them and left. On the way home, the girl (who was my friend who drived and invited me to the club) called me and told me that, although she was a little bit uncomfortable with the fact that I was hooking up with her friends, she wanted to hang out with me and have me to herself this weekend.

Why did this happen? Was it because I look like Brad Pitt? Bah, no! Its because I played it right. I used everything that I told you all to use and it worked. I am posting this, not to brag, but to show you not only how it works, but to explain just how good it can get when using these tactics.

Keep pimpin'
-P9

Plan9Senior · 10-30-2003, 02:47 AM

Lesson-8 "Being a Go with the Flow type of Guy"

I hear a lot of guys always asking what the best line to open with is or how to get a hot biatch's attention. Well a lot of times the canned openers that I talk about work well, but what about the times where your just walking down the street and you turn a corner and suddenly see a super hot girl? If you hesistate for one one-hundreth of a second to try and recall a canned opener, then you'll most likely miss your opportunity. So how do you overcome this? You don't, you just say something, ANYTHING!! As you practice this type of situation more often, you'll become really creative and learn what works best in each situation. Here are a few tips that can lead you down the yellow brick road:

-say something unique-I know you guys probably know this by now, but make sure that what you say can lead into a conversation that get's you in a position where you can seduce her.

-hold eye contact and DON'T LET IT GO!!- The next time your talking to a HB, trying looking them straight in the eye for the entire time you guys are talking. You'll soon notice how you feel an incredible connection with her, as if you can see right through her to feel what she's thinking. Not trying to sound cheesy but its soo true, its almost scary how powerful those moments are.

-don't give away your secret-the key here is to make it seem like your just having a casual conversation and THAT'S IT!! If she smells that your trying to pick up on her, she'll most likely brush you off since you guys are completel strangers.

-ask opinionated questions-whatever you do, DON'T ASK A YES/NO QUESTION!!! Once she replies, dig thought.

With that being said, I'm proposing a challenge to all you struggling AFC, one-itis, scared of girls bros!! You know who you are, so don't deny it. I saw this over at www.sosuave.com. and I think its a great idea. Here's the game:

Approach 50, yes five-zero girls over the next 3 weeks. Practice your PU skills. Practice in different situations, walking down the street, at the market, at the mall etc. Whatever, whereever. Then report back to ME about how it went and what you learned. Keep a tab on how many phone #'s you get, how many times a girl says she has a b/f and how many times you get a flat out rejection.(don't worry this won't happen unless you say something really dumb, and even if it does happen, who fukin cares?)

The reason I'm challenging you guys is so you guys can become true PUA yourself. Then instead of running to me or anyone else for advice, you'll already know what you have to do. The best way to get better at ANYTHING is to practice. Your field reports will be a invaluable lesson to all of you. I bet you that you guys,especially the ones with ONE-ITIS will come out with a completely different view of girls and be quite happy with all the dates you've lined up.

I want a YES/NO if your in on this. Once I find out who's in, I will set a date for the start of this and an ending date. So here's your chance to show your true skills. I'll give more specific details in the future.

Sleepyjack · 10-30-2003, 03:11 AM

Quote:

Plan9 said
edited by rogue49 for insulting remark
, so I will take your condescending post with a grain of salt

That's a really horrible thing to say.

Also, not that i am interested much, but do you have any pictures of yourself?

You seem to be claiming that you're The Man . So it'd be good for you to post them so we can all quickly judge you as well.

Some of your advice has been quite sound, and theres been some other advice/info which doesn't resonate with me, but thats my own issue.

Although try not to be unnecessaryily nasty about things. You didn't really need to say that at all. You can still be an aplha male and empathetic.

Empathy

With that out of the way, i guess your best advice is talking to the random girls. I've been doing this heaps lately and it does work quite nicely. It seems some randomness etc works quite well. Also on a bit of a tangent, its weird this six degrees of sepeperation. So many people alreadg know peope you know and that kinda works well as well. Or it could be all coincidence. Also the advice of who fucking cares also works well, but i already knew this, but it's good you bought it up.

Although there was one interesting thing happened today while i was waiting at the busstop. It was just me and a girl, although she was crying. I wasked what was wrong and apparently her boyfriend had just broken up with her. Anyway, i said i am sorry to hear that or something to that effect and then she told me to fuck off.

It was rather awkward after that. Anyway, the random meeting and talking will continue for me. That seems the best advice so far.

Also, i am a recovering one-itis, not really anymore though, although i still have the same view of girls. I am definitley not a PUA though, nor do i particualry aspire to be one. That said, i find the competetion interseting and would like to take part in it.

err this post has been kinda weird?

Averett · 10-30-2003, 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Plan9
edited by rogue49 for insulting remark
, so I will take your condescending post with a grain of salt .

So where's the picture of you? I'm brave enough to post my picture here, where's yours?

And don't worry. I'm fairly certian that I would not want a guy like you.

Edit: I noticed that you do have a picture up. But I see no point in going down the road you took so I'll keep my opinion to myself.

-Anders · 10-30-2003, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Plan9
edited by rogue49 for insulting remark
, so I will take your condescending post with a grain of salt .

Have you no respect for your fellow human beings?

numberfive · 10-30-2003, 08:47 AM

Averett, Plan9, we're all adults here and I must say it's a shame that both of you had to resort to name calling. It's fine when you think it, it's fine when you say it aloud to yourself, but please, just stop there. Nobody cares that so and so things such and such is an asshole. And likewise nobody cares that such and such thinks so and so isn't pretty. Alright now?

shannon · 10-30-2003, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Plan9
edited by rogue49 for insulting remark
, so I will take your condescending post with a grain of salt .

edited by rogue49 for flaming
Why would you even say that? it just sounds like you ran out of intelligent comebacks and fell back on your ability edited by rogue49 for flame.

Hanxter · 10-30-2003, 10:29 AM

this is a community in that we share our emotions, feelings and stories to the others and not turn it into who has the greenest lawn...

so lay off keeping up with the jonses and keep your hands to yourself...

wow - sounds like a song in the making...

rogue49 · 10-30-2003, 10:48 AM

Please keep your negative remarks to yourself

This thread might be interesting to some,
and uncomfortable for others...this is life.
And the thread starter knew that this was true.
However, it is not necessary to get into a flame war.
Let's act like adults here.

Listen to the points, and make your viewpoint, pro or con.
But not insulting.
Simple.

shannon · 10-30-2003, 10:48 AM

sorry for being childish everyone,especially plan9. what was edited out wasn't getting anyone anywhere and i should have known better.

Averett · 10-30-2003, 10:51 AM

I'll play nice next time

hy_ · 10-30-2003, 12:57 PM

thanks for the post, keep up the good work.

Jim Kata · 10-30-2003, 01:07 PM

So who is gonna step up to the pepsi challenge?? I would, but I'm in a relationship and I don't think the woman will approve (I don't see why ).

crayzeeredhead · 10-31-2003, 11:45 AM

i have to intercede on this one.. all of those things might get my phone number but HONESTY will get you laid !!
Case and poitn this guy came up to me and asked if i was seeing anyone i of course said no .. he didnt lay it on thick or anyhting he was himself( drunk Of course) and after like two hourse of talking( i do mean talking folks not laying on some thick lame game!) he asked me if i wanted to fuck of course i said buy me dinner first but he still got laid like three dates later!!
P.s. I'm not a slut just know what i want when i want it !!

Z_UWF · 11-01-2003, 11:42 AM

Hi Plan9 & rest,

Here's an update. I met up with the chick I like (Nina) at a mutual friend's halloween party last night. Things started out with her giving PLENTY of hints (she wore a "fcuk safely" shirt, told me it was to encourage people to use condoms, she kept mentioning sex, she gave me a really close frontal hug (rubbin her tits up against me) when she first got there, wanted me to sit right next to her on a very small chair, wanted to look through photos while pressing up against me, etc. However, in recollection, I made one CRITICAL mistake. Without knowing it, I had gotten one-itess. Sure, I was flirting with girls everywhere earlier in the night, but once she arrived at the party, i started sweating, I became nervous, my thoughts escaped me, I couldn't even think of ways to portray myself as busy when she asked what I had done earlier in the day. In other words, I could have had her that night, but I had anticipated things so much that I lost control of the situation. She ended up leaving early, didn't even say goodbye. However, not all is a lost. It's amazing how well I did with everybody else at the party, just by being confident, knowing what to say, etc. I had no strong attachment to these people, so I didn't fear their rejection. I ended up staying at the party flirting with two Japanese chicks till the very end; both of whom I'm going to go see Matrix Revolutions with this Wednesday

So, my conclusion, the one-itess tip is more than just getting people to "be players" or rack up lots of chicks. You can find somebody special without getting one-itess. The point is, by keeping yourself from becoming so emotionally attached to one person before you've hooked the person, you put unnecessary pressure on yourself to perform and end up looking like shit.

astyles · 11-02-2003, 10:17 PM

Plan9 & All, (prepare for a long post!)

Class is in session baby! I have just read this entire thread and am very excited about what I have read. I have recently started to improve on myself physically and now want to move onto the mental game. I ask for you to please continue this thread- this stuff is gold. I have read what you have written about confidence and simply approaching women and would like to start PUA tactics! I am a decent looking guy- I just don't have the confidence that I should because I have been 'out of the game'. I'm going to shuttup about how I am and put forth a few examples and perhaps everyone that has read this thread can dissect and comment.

Situation #1: The Bank Chick

About a week ago I started going to the bank to take out cash at the drive-thru because I lost my checks and my bank card. One this glorious day I filled out my bank slip like I usually do, put my stuff in the lil box and look up at the teller to see a very attractive woman beaming a huge smile say "Hi" in what I took as a 'more than friendly' tone. I thought she just might be really friendly or had just gotten laid for lunch or something- but to my great surprise she starts giggling to her co-workers and basically pointing at me sitting there talking to my friend on my cell phone at the drive-thru. I tried to play it cool and I started telling my friend on the phone that the hottie at the drive-thru was calling me out. I guess she was listening because she just kept looking up from what she was doing and smiling the whole time I was sitting there.

(what goes through my head)
Ok, so in my mind I don't think that you can pick up chicks at their jobs. I have heard that it is a very bad idea because not only can it get them in trouble but that many guy's hit on them /day at places like this. Plus I haven't asked a girl out in a loooong time.
(end thoughts back to the drive-thru)

Ok so she does her business with my money and then very unprofessionally leans up with her hands on the counter as if to poke out her boobies and asks "Anything else". I don't remember exactly what I said in my state of panic but I believe it was something like "that'll do for now" or something not too idiotic because she was smiling when I drove off. I gave her a smile and drove away as ALL of the hot chicks at the window smiled at me as I drove by. SCORE!

I felt pretty good leaving the bank but at the same time I felt like a cracker because I didn't get her number right there and then. Interested in her I returned to the bank the very next day, this is where I fack up the first time.

I pull up to the VERRRRY front lane where I hope to get a better look at this Bank Chick who I think digs me. Lo and behold she is RIGHT FRIGGIN THERE. So I ask her- "Are you the one who helped me yesterday who wore the pink shirt" She says, "Yes, that was me" and smiles really big. I say "You know I spent all my money yesterday just so I could come back here and see that smile" OWNAGE! She dug that and went "Awww". After this I got really embarassed over what I have done. I don't know why but instead of making chit-chat to get more comfortable with talking to her I just kind of sat there and smiled like an idiot. I looked confused about what to do- and she noticed it. This is where the major fack up comes. After doing so well thus far, I write my number down on a peice of paper after she tells me bye again (I think I should have just drove off this time and left her wondering in mystery for awhile)- and I tell her that it's cool to call me. WANKER! Yuh- I think that was stuipd, she hasn't called me and I'm not surprised.

This confuses me because I have been back to the bank 2 other times (I spend alot of cash heh), and the next time I didnt even pay attention to her and I guess she thought I was pissed so she wrote me a note with the bank stuff I got back "Here is some Sugar to cheer you up" it was signed: "the drive-thru girls". On my next visit she sent me a note "Hi hottie, love your smile". I know she has my number, why doesn't she call? I don't think I am going to go back to this bank for awhile to ensure at least that she doesn't think I am stalking her at her job- moreover, until I hear what all you pplz think abouts this. Please let me know. Do you think that she is playing a game with me, do you think she is too shy- what should i do!?

Take into account I have read straight through this thread and AM going to go back and takes notes and feel like I can improve my game alot by what I have already read but I am hungry as a mofo to hear what you peeps- especially plan9 has to say. Keep it postin!

I've got more where that comes from if examples are good. I've gotten a chance at 3 girls this week after I died my hair at a very expensive place and started wearing perry ellis to compliment my efforts at working out fairly hard. I have not gone through with either 3 for reasons I myself don't even understand even though I am right there.

Neways- peace and I will check back.

numberfive · 11-02-2003, 11:22 PM

Well I don't think she'd call you a hottie if she didn't like you (I don't and nobody I knows does). Take her up on this and ask her out. Maybe lunch or something. Not the movies though, you want to be able to talk to her and vice versa.

kjtomson3 · 11-03-2003, 07:35 PM

thanks Plan9, great stuff.

I've always been the fearful type, but I've finally started to notice how *fun* this game can be when played succesfully.

more fire · 11-03-2003, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by crayzeeredhead
HONESTY will get you laid !!

no, it won't.

Telethon · 11-04-2003, 09:36 PM

Wow what a great read! I'm like one of the ugliest guys ever but I don't ever talk to people which keeps me mysterious and stuff. Basically don't be a total outgoing jock type but learn to be quiet and not spit everything about yourself out :P (I guess)

Telethon · 11-04-2003, 09:38 PM

Plan9, I love you, I can't stop laughing at lesson #4.

Plan9Senior · 11-04-2003, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sleepyjack
That's a really horrible thing to say.

Also, not that i am interested much, but do you have any pictures of yourself?

You seem to be claiming that you're The Man . So it'd be good for you to post them so we can all quickly judge you as well.

I make it a habit not to post my picture on the internet. However, if you are ever in the Orange County area and want to watch how it works first hand (and see me as well), then you are more then welcome

. I have some nice pics of my seksi body, but I have learned posting pictures showing your face is risky... especially being that I will be putting a huge stamp on my head that warns women about me if they happen to recognize my pic

edit: bah, if you are just curious, here is a pic that I just took that will maintain a shred of anonymity

Plan9Senior · 11-05-2003, 12:46 AM

astyles, I read this line and wanted to hug you:

Quote:

"You know I spent all my money yesterday just so I could come back here and see that smile"

Funny, yet agressive! Take note people, he played that perfect. The bad thing is that you put the ball in her court by giving her your number (if she asked, that is a different story). NEVER do that. Like I explained in an earlier lesson, when first meeting a girl sometimes they wont call EVEN if they are interested. Don't ask me... I don't get it myself.

before I finish and tell you what to say or do... I need to know a few things about this girl. What is she on the scale? I need to know this to decide on the best way to get her to hang out with you.

Remember the #1 rule!!... You must be able to categorize your prey, and then relate to her on some level.

Plan9Senior · 11-05-2003, 01:04 AM

Tip for the day:

Now why do most guys fail when they approach girls? Because:

A. They used canned pick-up-lines
B. They compliment the hell out of her (what every other guy does)
C. They show no confidence
D. They don't control the conversation. The conversation is out of their control, is boring, and there are awkward silences.
E. The guy makes it obvious that all he wants to do is get in her pants.
F. Guy asks yes or no questions, girl responds, guy has nothing to talk about. Alert goes off, he quickly asks her for her number, gets shot down.

Thats all for tonight. I am extremely fukin tired (as you can prolly tell from my pic heh)

smiling_bob · 11-05-2003, 01:46 AM

Plan9, I'm digging this thread, lots of good advice. I'm eager to try it out, but I need to know where the chicks are. Where is a good location for finding women my age (early 20's). The mall seems full of younger girls, and clubs aren't really my thing. Should I go to the library? Starbucks? Colleges I don't attend? Any suggestions would be useful.

ratbastid · 11-05-2003, 06:04 AM

I have one thing to say about this entire thread:

Quote:

Originally posted by Plan9
I am a single guy, so I do not know or even try to write the rules to finding a soul mate.

<font size=+3>No Kidding!</font>

I'm speaking as someone who's been in a blissful relationship of 13 years, married for 8. If you're interested in finding someone to love for the rest of your life, most of the advice in this thread is 180 degrees bass-ackward.

Averett · 11-05-2003, 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Plan9
The bad thing is that you put the ball in her court by giving her your number (if she asked, that is a different story). NEVER do that. Like I explained in an earlier lesson, when first meeting a girl sometimes they wont call EVEN if they are interested. Don't ask me... I don't get it myself.

A few months back I met a guy and he gave me his number. I did not ask. He gave me his, I gave him mine. When he didn't call after 5 days, I called. I WAS interested. So I took the chance and call. Did he call back? Nope.

Guys, don't give out your number if you're not interested in the girl. Thats fucking rude and wrong.

And ratbastid, I agree.... This advice here will hardly get you a lasting relationship. Relationships aren't built on games. Will this advice make you into a "playa"? Maybe. But who want's that guy?

Play on boys...

JimmyTheHutt · 11-05-2003, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Halx
I will start out by saying that getting a girl legitimately will ultimately cost you more than a hooker.

Gym memberships, hygiene products, car detail, dinner... the list goes on

And at least that way the relationship is completely above board....

Each party knows what the other is there for with a minimum of BS.

Veritas en Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt

bermuDa · 11-05-2003, 09:41 PM

Although I'd be more than happy to find one girl to stay with, I'm still reading this and finding it interesting.

even though I'm not a player and don't really want to be, this is how the game is played and I appreciate the attention and effort plan9 is putting into this thread.

for the ladies... this 'pimpin' may not work on you but that doesn't mean it doesn't work :\

Plan9Senior · 11-06-2003, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ratbastid
I have one thing to say about this entire thread:

<font size=+3>No Kidding!</font>

I'm speaking as someone who's been in a blissful relationship of 13 years, married for 8. If you're interested in finding someone to love for the rest of your life, most of the advice in this thread is 180 degrees bass-ackward.

I understand and respect how you choose to live your life. I too have had some wonderful long term (over 5 year) relationships myself, however, you must understand that some people aren't looking for marriage. And those people shouldn't be concerned with this thread. Congrats to your 13 year marriage btw, they are rare these days.

Plan9Senior · 11-06-2003, 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by Averett
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And ratbastid, I agree.... This advice here will hardly get you a lasting relationship. Relationships aren't built on games. Will this advice make you into a "playa"? Maybe. But who want's that guy?

Play on boys...

And let me ONCE AGAIN remind you of how whipped you got over the guy who didn't call you

Guess you sort of are documented proof on how these methods get the girls

links to your posts in case you forgot:
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...threadid=26225
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...y+wont+he+call

Plan9Senior · 11-06-2003, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by smiling_bob
Plan9, I'm digging this thread, lots of good advice. I'm eager to try it out, but I need to know where the chicks are. Where is a good location for finding women my age (early 20's). The mall seems full of younger girls, and clubs aren't really my thing. Should I go to the library? Starbucks? Colleges I don't attend? Any suggestions would be useful.

The answer is: everywhere!!

You have opportunities to meet women every place you go, the thing is that you have never had the tools or knowledge that will make you aware of this and enable you to actually get them. Hopefully your eyes are a little more open to this now and you will not miss all of the countless opportunities that walk past you (litterally) every day. Keep practicing smiley_bob

10-29-2003, 07:40 PM	#83 (permalink)
nightshade000 Crazy Location: Oregon	I realise I'm coming into this late, but to comment on the guy who was saying if you're an intelligent guy with a good heart you're fucked. That's so not true. If you're an intelligent guy with a good heart who's a wuss [no offense intended towards anyone, really], then you're fucked. Yes, projected image is no doubt an important factor in picking up girls. Realise this and change your image. Note: this DOES NOT require chaning your personality per-se. Pick up a banna republic catalog, look at how the men dress. Go to nordstrom's and look at how the male manaquins are dressed. If you can't afford those stores, go look, then goto a discount shop. You can get very similar clothes much cheaper at places like Ross and TJ Max. Kenneth Cole, DKNY, etc, etc, are your friend. I know for a fact you can pick up those brands in discount stores as well. Get yourself a nice pair of dress shoes, you can pick them up for $50-$70. Leather soled shoes are better. Not only will clothes like these show women that you care about your appearence, but you will also automaticaly pass any dress code that any place will have no matter where the night takes you. You really don't want to meet a hot girl and then not be able to go where she wants to go because you're wearing jeans and sneakers and the club has a dress code. Dressing well will make you feel better, which will make you FAR more successfull with the girls. Also, remeber, girls notice the details. Shine your new dress shoes before going out, and make sure that your socks are the same color as your belt. Dressing the part will take care of 60% of projected image. Well fitting clothes will also help hide your spare tire if you need to hit the gym. If wearing nice pants and a button down shirt is too dressy for you, unbutton the top button and roll up your sleaves. If you roll up your sleaves, I can't stress enough, do it right. Just shoving your sleeves up will look sloppy. Back to the wuss part: All you have to do is not do something you wouldn't do to your male friends. You can be your goofy self (this is probably best) but don't all of a sudden lay down and do whatever. I used to be the "Intelligent and good hearted ....not getting girls type" In retrospection, I can see where I just laid down... Calling too much will turn girls off (in fact, if you have caller ID, you should screen your calls...you don't HAVE to be available when/if they call you). Again, I stress, you don't have to be an ass to a girl to get her to like you, just don't appear to have low self esteem and don't appear to be desperate. Just be yourself, and maybe create an aura or 'being in demand' --this will help kick off a lot of girls natural competativeness If other girls want you, there's got to be something worth having in you. Honestly though, to those who post 'Am the only one who feels depresed .........' you imediately sound well, like, self depreciating.. if a guy can detect it, a girl definately can, and most don't find it attractive. Oh, and Plan9 has some good advice, listen to it Last edited by nightshade000; 10-29-2003 at 07:42 PM..

10-30-2003, 08:47 AM	#94 (permalink)
numberfive You + Me = Us Location: California dreaming...	Averett, Plan9, we're all adults here and I must say it's a shame that both of you had to resort to name calling. It's fine when you think it, it's fine when you say it aloud to yourself, but please, just stop there. Nobody cares that so and so things such and such is an asshole. And likewise nobody cares that such and such thinks so and so isn't pretty. Alright now? __________________ P.S. Always remember: to forget is a form of suicide. (If I could only remember to forget myself.)

10-30-2003, 10:48 AM	#97 (permalink)
rogue49 Loser	*Please keep your negative remarks to yourself* This thread might be interesting to some, and uncomfortable for others...this is life. And the thread starter knew that this was true. However, it is not necessary to get into a flame war. Let's act like adults here. Listen to the points, and make your viewpoint, pro or con. But not insulting. Simple. Last edited by rogue49; 10-30-2003 at 10:50 AM..

10-30-2003, 10:48 AM	#98 (permalink)
shannon Psycho Location: Canada	sorry for being childish everyone,especially plan9. what was edited out wasn't getting anyone anywhere and i should have known better. __________________ "When I look down I just miss all the good stuff. And when I look up I just trip over things"

10-30-2003, 10:51 AM	#99 (permalink)
Averett Is In Love Location: I'm workin' on it	I'll play nice next time __________________ Absence is to love what wind is to fire. It extinguishes the small, it enkindles the great.

10-27-2003, 05:46 PM	#81 (permalink)
Dnz Tilted	dude all those things are placebo's Their greater aim is to build confidence through making you think you got everything figured out. Thats all it is, confidence. If people cant be confident in themselves, they tell themselves they are the shit and know everything there is to know and all the rules. So yeah, become comfortable with yourself, and others will too.

10-29-2003, 01:57 PM	#82 (permalink)
hy_ Crazy	good post, keep up the good work Plan9.

10-29-2003, 11:07 PM	#84 (permalink)
Dnz Tilted	exactly. Its all a self fulfilling prophecy. If you say youre a wuss and suck, its self defeating and you wont make it. Thats why 'jerks' get the girl, coz confidence is there. You can be whatever you want as long as youre confident and outgoing, and dont appear desperate. It makes common sense. All which has been written is just to build up those aspects..

10-30-2003, 02:38 AM	#89 (permalink)
Plan9Senior Banned Location: Orange County, California	TOnight I ended up going to a club with a girl "friend" of mine who brought along a few of her friends. Ended up dancing all night and hooking up with 2 of her friends on the dance floor. The second girl I kissed on, i said, "uh oh.. your roomate just kissed me a lil bit ago". This girl said, "Thats ok, she's ok with it". I knew then, that it was going to be an interesting night. On the way back from the club I was sitting in the back seat of my girl "friend's" car when the first girl that I was with started to kiss me. I started getting into it.. kissing on her neck, fingering her under her skirt, when her friend in the passenger seat (the one who I hooked up with after this one) said, "thats not fair, I want to have fun". The girl I was kissing on said, "fine"... crawled over me as her friend in the passenger seat climbed in back and took her spot. I began to fool around with her in the back seat. When we got home, did I ask for either of their numbers? Hell no. I told them that I was going to go home because I have to work in the morning, and before I got to my car, one of them walked to me and asked me for my number. I gave it to them and left. On the way home, the girl (who was my friend who drived and invited me to the club) called me and told me that, although she was a little bit uncomfortable with the fact that I was hooking up with her friends, she wanted to hang out with me and have me to herself this weekend. Why did this happen? Was it because I look like Brad Pitt? Bah, no! Its because I played it right. I used everything that I told you all to use and it worked. I am posting this, not to brag, but to show you not only how it works, but to explain just how good it can get when using these tactics. Keep pimpin' -P9

10-30-2003, 02:47 AM	#90 (permalink)
Plan9Senior Banned Location: Orange County, California	Lesson-8 "Being a Go with the Flow type of Guy" I hear a lot of guys always asking what the best line to open with is or how to get a hot biatch's attention. Well a lot of times the canned openers that I talk about work well, but what about the times where your just walking down the street and you turn a corner and suddenly see a super hot girl? If you hesistate for one one-hundreth of a second to try and recall a canned opener, then you'll most likely miss your opportunity. So how do you overcome this? You don't, you just say something, ANYTHING!! As you practice this type of situation more often, you'll become really creative and learn what works best in each situation. Here are a few tips that can lead you down the yellow brick road: -say something unique-I know you guys probably know this by now, but make sure that what you say can lead into a conversation that get's you in a position where you can seduce her. -hold eye contact and DON'T LET IT GO!!- The next time your talking to a HB, trying looking them straight in the eye for the entire time you guys are talking. You'll soon notice how you feel an incredible connection with her, as if you can see right through her to feel what she's thinking. Not trying to sound cheesy but its soo true, its almost scary how powerful those moments are. -don't give away your secret-the key here is to make it seem like your just having a casual conversation and THAT'S IT!! If she smells that your trying to pick up on her, she'll most likely brush you off since you guys are completel strangers. -ask opinionated questions-whatever you do, DON'T ASK A YES/NO QUESTION!!! Once she replies, dig thought. With that being said, I'm proposing a challenge to all you struggling AFC, one-itis, scared of girls bros!! You know who you are, so don't deny it. I saw this over at www.sosuave.com. and I think its a great idea. Here's the game: Approach 50, yes five-zero girls over the next 3 weeks. Practice your PU skills. Practice in different situations, walking down the street, at the market, at the mall etc. Whatever, whereever. Then report back to ME about how it went and what you learned. Keep a tab on how many phone #'s you get, how many times a girl says she has a b/f and how many times you get a flat out rejection.(don't worry this won't happen unless you say something really dumb, and even if it does happen, who fukin cares?) The reason I'm challenging you guys is so you guys can become true PUA yourself. Then instead of running to me or anyone else for advice, you'll already know what you have to do. The best way to get better at ANYTHING is to practice. Your field reports will be a invaluable lesson to all of you. I bet you that you guys,especially the ones with ONE-ITIS will come out with a completely different view of girls and be quite happy with all the dates you've lined up. I want a YES/NO if your in on this. Once I find out who's in, I will set a date for the start of this and an ending date. So here's your chance to show your true skills. I'll give more specific details in the future.

10-30-2003, 10:29 AM	#96 (permalink)
Hanxter The Griffin	this is a community in that we share our emotions, feelings and stories to the others and not turn it into who has the greenest lawn... so lay off keeping up with the jonses and keep your hands to yourself... wow - sounds like a song in the making...

10-30-2003, 12:57 PM	#100 (permalink)
hy_ Crazy	thanks for the post, keep up the good work.

10-30-2003, 01:07 PM	#101 (permalink)
Jim Kata Swollen Member Location: Northern VA	So who is gonna step up to the pepsi challenge?? I would, but I'm in a relationship and I don't think the woman will approve (I don't see why ).

10-31-2003, 11:45 AM	#102 (permalink)
crayzeeredhead Tilted Location: here& there but here today	i have to intercede on this one.. all of those things might get my phone number but HONESTY will get you laid !! Case and poitn this guy came up to me and asked if i was seeing anyone i of course said no .. he didnt lay it on thick or anyhting he was himself( drunk Of course) and after like two hourse of talking( i do mean talking folks not laying on some thick lame game!) he asked me if i wanted to fuck of course i said buy me dinner first but he still got laid like three dates later!! P.s. I'm not a slut just know what i want when i want it !! __________________ For everything there is a neverending cycle- birth, death, rebirth. Evil can and will not exist without good and visa versa. You also reap what you sew. There is a sliver of truth in every saying -those are a few!!

11-01-2003, 11:42 AM	#103 (permalink)
Z_UWF Upright Location: Pensacola, Florida	Hi Plan9 & rest, Here's an update. I met up with the chick I like (Nina) at a mutual friend's halloween party last night. Things started out with her giving PLENTY of hints (she wore a "fcuk safely" shirt, told me it was to encourage people to use condoms, she kept mentioning sex, she gave me a really close frontal hug (rubbin her tits up against me) when she first got there, wanted me to sit right next to her on a very small chair, wanted to look through photos while pressing up against me, etc. However, in recollection, I made one CRITICAL mistake. Without knowing it, I had gotten one-itess. Sure, I was flirting with girls everywhere earlier in the night, but once she arrived at the party, i started sweating, I became nervous, my thoughts escaped me, I couldn't even think of ways to portray myself as busy when she asked what I had done earlier in the day. In other words, I could have had her that night, but I had anticipated things so much that I lost control of the situation. She ended up leaving early, didn't even say goodbye. However, not all is a lost. It's amazing how well I did with everybody else at the party, just by being confident, knowing what to say, etc. I had no strong attachment to these people, so I didn't fear their rejection. I ended up staying at the party flirting with two Japanese chicks till the very end; both of whom I'm going to go see Matrix Revolutions with this Wednesday So, my conclusion, the one-itess tip is more than just getting people to "be players" or rack up lots of chicks. You can find somebody special without getting one-itess. The point is, by keeping yourself from becoming so emotionally attached to one person before you've hooked the person, you put unnecessary pressure on yourself to perform and end up looking like shit. Last edited by Z_UWF; 11-01-2003 at 11:48 AM..

11-02-2003, 10:17 PM	#104 (permalink)
astyles Upright Location: Tulsa	Plan9 & All, (prepare for a long post!) Class is in session baby! I have just read this entire thread and am very excited about what I have read. I have recently started to improve on myself physically and now want to move onto the mental game. I ask for you to please continue this thread- this stuff is gold. I have read what you have written about confidence and simply approaching women and would like to start PUA tactics! I am a decent looking guy- I just don't have the confidence that I should because I have been 'out of the game'. I'm going to shuttup about how I am and put forth a few examples and perhaps everyone that has read this thread can dissect and comment. Situation #1: The Bank Chick About a week ago I started going to the bank to take out cash at the drive-thru because I lost my checks and my bank card. One this glorious day I filled out my bank slip like I usually do, put my stuff in the lil box and look up at the teller to see a very attractive woman beaming a huge smile say "Hi" in what I took as a 'more than friendly' tone. I thought she just might be really friendly or had just gotten laid for lunch or something- but to my great surprise she starts giggling to her co-workers and basically pointing at me sitting there talking to my friend on my cell phone at the drive-thru. I tried to play it cool and I started telling my friend on the phone that the hottie at the drive-thru was calling me out. I guess she was listening because she just kept looking up from what she was doing and smiling the whole time I was sitting there. (what goes through my head) Ok, so in my mind I don't think that you can pick up chicks at their jobs. I have heard that it is a very bad idea because not only can it get them in trouble but that many guy's hit on them /day at places like this. Plus I haven't asked a girl out in a loooong time. (end thoughts back to the drive-thru) Ok so she does her business with my money and then very unprofessionally leans up with her hands on the counter as if to poke out her boobies and asks "Anything else". I don't remember exactly what I said in my state of panic but I believe it was something like "that'll do for now" or something not too idiotic because she was smiling when I drove off. I gave her a smile and drove away as ALL of the hot chicks at the window smiled at me as I drove by. SCORE! I felt pretty good leaving the bank but at the same time I felt like a cracker because I didn't get her number right there and then. Interested in her I returned to the bank the very next day, this is where I fack up the first time. I pull up to the VERRRRY front lane where I hope to get a better look at this Bank Chick who I think digs me. Lo and behold she is RIGHT FRIGGIN THERE. So I ask her- "Are you the one who helped me yesterday who wore the pink shirt" She says, "Yes, that was me" and smiles really big. I say "You know I spent all my money yesterday just so I could come back here and see that smile" OWNAGE! She dug that and went "Awww". After this I got really embarassed over what I have done. I don't know why but instead of making chit-chat to get more comfortable with talking to her I just kind of sat there and smiled like an idiot. I looked confused about what to do- and she noticed it. This is where the major fack up comes. After doing so well thus far, I write my number down on a peice of paper after she tells me bye again (I think I should have just drove off this time and left her wondering in mystery for awhile)- and I tell her that it's cool to call me. WANKER! Yuh- I think that was stuipd, she hasn't called me and I'm not surprised. This confuses me because I have been back to the bank 2 other times (I spend alot of cash heh), and the next time I didnt even pay attention to her and I guess she thought I was pissed so she wrote me a note with the bank stuff I got back "Here is some Sugar to cheer you up" it was signed: "the drive-thru girls". On my next visit she sent me a note "Hi hottie, love your smile". I know she has my number, why doesn't she call? I don't think I am going to go back to this bank for awhile to ensure at least that she doesn't think I am stalking her at her job- moreover, until I hear what all you pplz think abouts this. Please let me know. Do you think that she is playing a game with me, do you think she is too shy- what should i do!? Take into account I have read straight through this thread and AM going to go back and takes notes and feel like I can improve my game alot by what I have already read but I am hungry as a mofo to hear what you peeps- especially plan9 has to say. Keep it postin! I've got more where that comes from if examples are good. I've gotten a chance at 3 girls this week after I died my hair at a very expensive place and started wearing perry ellis to compliment my efforts at working out fairly hard. I have not gone through with either 3 for reasons I myself don't even understand even though I am right there. Neways- peace and I will check back. __________________ ---------------------------------- All time worst pick-up line: "You know, for a fat chick you don't sweat that much" - lol

11-02-2003, 11:22 PM	#105 (permalink)
numberfive You + Me = Us Location: California dreaming...	Well I don't think she'd call you a hottie if she didn't like you (I don't and nobody I knows does). Take her up on this and ask her out. Maybe lunch or something. Not the movies though, you want to be able to talk to her and vice versa. __________________ P.S. Always remember: to forget is a form of suicide. (If I could only remember to forget myself.)

11-03-2003, 07:35 PM	#106 (permalink)
kjtomson3 Psycho	thanks Plan9, great stuff. I've always been the fearful type, but I've finally started to notice how fun this game can be when played succesfully. __________________ i'm a kind of tired sleep just won't cure

11-04-2003, 09:36 PM	#108 (permalink)
Telethon Banned Location: Texas	Wow what a great read! I'm like one of the ugliest guys ever but I don't ever talk to people which keeps me mysterious and stuff. Basically don't be a total outgoing jock type but learn to be quiet and not spit everything about yourself out :P (I guess)

11-04-2003, 09:38 PM	#109 (permalink)
Telethon Banned Location: Texas	Plan9, I love you, I can't stop laughing at lesson #4.

11-05-2003, 01:04 AM	#112 (permalink)
Plan9Senior Banned Location: Orange County, California	Tip for the day: Now why do most guys fail when they approach girls? Because: A. They used canned pick-up-lines B. They compliment the hell out of her (what every other guy does) C. They show no confidence D. They don't control the conversation. The conversation is out of their control, is boring, and there are awkward silences. E. The guy makes it obvious that all he wants to do is get in her pants. F. Guy asks yes or no questions, girl responds, guy has nothing to talk about. Alert goes off, he quickly asks her for her number, gets shot down. Thats all for tonight. I am extremely fukin tired (as you can prolly tell from my pic heh)

11-05-2003, 01:46 AM	#113 (permalink)
smiling_bob Upright Location: Phoenix, AZ	Plan9, I'm digging this thread, lots of good advice. I'm eager to try it out, but I need to know where the chicks are. Where is a good location for finding women my age (early 20's). The mall seems full of younger girls, and clubs aren't really my thing. Should I go to the library? Starbucks? Colleges I don't attend? Any suggestions would be useful.

11-05-2003, 09:41 PM	#117 (permalink)
bermuDa don't ignore this--> Location: CA	Although I'd be more than happy to find one girl to stay with, I'm still reading this and finding it interesting. even though I'm not a player and don't really want to be, this is how the game is played and I appreciate the attention and effort plan9 is putting into this thread. for the ladies... this 'pimpin' may not work on you but that doesn't mean it doesn't work :\ __________________ I am the very model of a moderator gentleman.