Plan9Senior

-AndersYou would be surprised at how many clueless guys there are out there. They wait and wait hoping to get lucky one day. When they do get a girlfriend, she's usually not that hot, so they accept that because they don't know how to create attraction for the girls they REALLY WANT! I'll be moving along with some more "lessons" later in the week.

HockeyGuy

Mot of this is common sense (at least it was to me) but it's actually working in a pub thats got me to use most of the type of stuff mentioned here. Still ahve the 'good-guy' problem going on here, jsut working through it... haha it is nice to have many a female friend though too!

shannon

i don't think your advise is that bad, but i just felt the need to point out that some girls like other things. i think a lot of guys who shave and pluck, etc. seem really unnatural. and if you have to learn how to talk from a brad pitt movie, i'm very sorry. i don't know, i like the scruffier guys from time to time, if they can lure me in in a more original, individualistic manner. but i guess if you have already tried being yourself and that didn't work, sure, try this.

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Averett

Hmm... Maybe I was obsessed. Don't think so though. But I think I'm a very very very good example on how things in this thread will piss women off.

Yes, he had me wondering. Yes, chances are if he had given me a call we'd be screwin like rabbits right now.

But did this guy call? No. Why? Who knows.

Personally I think all these rules to live by need to be thrown out the window. Want to know what I've learned? Don't give a guy my number. Maybe not even take his. You're interested in me? You think you might want to get to know me better? Cool, I'll be at the local Starbucks next Saturday afternoon around 2. See you there. If the guy is interested he'll show.

Basically I've had it with these games. Am I bitter? Yup, probably. But I'd rather not play these games. I don't want to give my number to some guy who probably just got 3 other girls numbers.

I'm rambling. Sorry bout that. I'm interested to see what else you're going to come up with.

Sorry if I'm coming across as a big bitch here. I just don't like getting played

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1337haxor

It's interesting cus I have seen buddies of mine use these tactics and it works.
At the same time I'm not a big fan of what they are doing since I believe it is in a way disrespectful by toying and deceiving girls.
I would never do tactics like this, I would just feel bad inside. My buddies think I should try it out, but it's just not gentleman like.
Are there any girls that would rather be with a gentleman over these deceptive and tricky people anymore? I was told no by my buddies, but I feel they are wrong.

numberfive

Answered by:

Basically, they're far and few between. You'll end up waiting forever and even then while they may be interested in being with a gentleman, most "gentlemen" are just shy guys who can't attract the ladies so they assume they're gentlemen. Sounds harsh but thats the way the cookie crumbles. Been there, done that, over it.

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rainheart

The best way to go about this advice is to actually GO OUT AND TRY IT! You won't get shit done if you just read this thing, so please stop thinking and start doing. What have you got to lose?

Oh no she rejected me... uhh... well... isn't that the same result I would've gotten if I didn't try at all? Yeah... hmmmmmmmm. HMMMMMmmmm.


Averett... do exchange phone numbers. No nice shy guy is going to show up at that starbucks the next day if you guys don't exchange numbers. I mean, this is just my speculation, but odds are that someone who likes a challenge will show up, and not a "nice guy" by your book. And maybe, you should learn to be a better judge of character through all this and try to seperate the game players from the nice guys.
Don't get so bitter about some guy that didn't call you (granted I don't know if that was exactly what tipped you over to becoming bitter). Tackle your problems head on, don't use some strategy that will not work. I wish I could give you better advice because I hate seeing bitter people.

Averett

Thanks rainheart

I'm really not that bitter. I'm just letting out my frustrations I suppose!

I know the next time I'm asked for a number I'll give it. And yeah, I don't think anyone would meet somebody in that situation. I know I wouldnt if some guy asked me to show up at a coffee shop or whatever!

Where's professor Plan9? This is all fantastic

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Dnz

If life and love was this easy, everyone wouldnt be single.

Thereby defeating your whole concept of meeting everyone at once.

There's people out there who know what they want, and they sure as hell aint settling for anything else. From both sides.

And any act you do may be lovely for 'getting some' but really is it gonna make you any better? no. I hope the vast majority of people are hoping for something more than just plain sex, and if they are, any act thats put on is surely gonna wear thin.

If people are themselves, theyll find people. The reason some guys dont get all the 'hot chicks' is because theyre not each others 'type'.. as in they wouldnt be friends or in the same job or social circles. And not everyone thats pretty is 'out of your league' etc etc. Coz when it comes down to it, your personality will rule supreme. Coz it doesnt matter what you looked like when everything starts going south at 30.

In conclusion, maybe this is the placebo story that everyone needs to feel. Maybe everyone wants some 'surefire plan'.

But im betting its the placebo effect at work, after all, whats gonna make anyone more confident than having THE SECRET STRATEGY TO SUCCESS? Thats right. Get out there, and cut the crap.

Arrion

http://www.intellectualwhores.com/masterladder.html

This site really explains a lot said above, it's definitely worth your time to check out

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Dnz

yah

or you could understand the fact that some people will in fact be friends with people, and only friends, regardless of gender. Guys do it too.

Cant rationalise everything. Or everyone would be reading books instead of paying thousands for psychologists to analyse them. No two people are the same. So rules will never apply.

Plan9Senior

Everybody has to sell themselves shannon, it might not be fair in your eyes but it is reality. To me, it sounds like you watch too many romantic movies . The problem is that the majority of men dont know how to sell themselves, and I am helping them do so.

Plan9Senior

Hmm, going about picking up women differently doesn't make you "ungentlemen-like", it just keeps you from getting walked on. Any woman that knows me will tell you that I am a gentleman, they just don't realize that I am conciously playing a little game to keep them wanting more. Like it or not, I dont care but the fact is it works.

Plan9Senior

Ok, I have been neglecting this thread just to see if anybody would have gone out..tried.. and succeded using these methods. Here is another weekend and another opportunity to meet some women. The next lesson will be sort of a homework assignment from Mr. Plan9. I will check back on this thread sometime next week to see if anybody is doing their homework. Make me proud guys

Here is todays lesson:

Lesson #5 - Practice Makes Perfect

To get good with girls, you have to prioritize it. Just like lifting, you gotta stay consistent with your meals and training to see results. One of the best ways to get good with girls is to practice your communication and non-verbal communication skills. Now just like in lifting, you didn't go to the gym on your 1st day and squat 3 plates. You started at a much lower weight and built yourself up to 3 plates. Same shit goes for girls. I know a lot of you are won't admit it, but your very intimidated by really attractive girls. You get all nervous and have no clue what to say . So start off on that really ugly chick in your science class. Or that nerdy girl in math. Of course you would never want to hook up with these girls, but use them as bait to practice for the big fish... Here's what your goals should be:

1-Approach 5 random girls everyday for a week that are between 1-5 on looks. Start a conversation with them about ANYTHING!! Notice how your not intimadated by them AT ALL?? Talking to these girls and being confident is easy. Why? Because you know your better than them. That should be the mentality you have with EVERY GIRL!! Anyway, your focus isn't even to get their numbers or fuk them, its to become comfortable in front of girls in general.

2-For the next 2 weeks approach 5 more girls everyday that are between a 6-7 on looks. Do the same thing, just get comfortable talking to them.

After this 3 week period, your conversation skills(eye contact, voice tone, the way you walk, Alpha Male skills) should have improved dramatically. So now your ready to step up to the majors and talk to the really hot girl with the big fake tits, or the hot blonde who is a Britney Spears look-alike. Now to keep yourself from getting nervous in front of the really hot girls, just keep this in mind: Talk about ANYTHING EXCEPT THEIR LOOKS!!! They know how hot they are and when they hear that 20x a day, they almost take it as an insult and automatically think you just want to fuck them (Of course you do.) Even worse they label you as a "nice-guy wussy." Did you know that a woman decides within 5 minutes of meeting you, whether or not they'd have sex with you? So just think, if you can be Alpha-confident man for 10 minutes, you've got it made.. Girls that are really attractive want to be appreciated for anything except their looks. Keep that in mind and you'll do well. And if you fear rejection or a girl laughing at you, you shouldn't. 99% of the time a girl will be friendly, even if she 's not interested in you. So go get some hours in the batting cage and practice for your big at bat.



*EDIT* Oops, before I leave you all for tonight I should describe what "the scale" is so that you have an understanding of it from my above post.

The scale is 1-10, here are the catergories.

Face 0-2 pts
Tits 0-2 pts
Ass 0-2 pts
Legs 0-2 pts
Personality 0-2 pts

So let's say a girl is "cute." That deserves a 1.5. Let's say she has "nice" tits. That deserves a 1. Let's say she has a "ok" ass. That's a 0.5 as well. Let's say she has "good" legs. That's a 1.5 And a really great personality. That's a 2. So this girl would be a 6.5 on the scale.


So now that you know how the scale works, let's talk about how exactly you talk to a girl who's a 6 and how that differs from a girl that's a 8. Here's the general rules:

1-5: These girls are average and below average looking. They know they're not the cream of the crop, so don't bust their balls too much and throw in a compliment or 2. DON'T OVER-DO THE COMPLIMENTS, 2 MAX!!!! These girls are not confident, so if you boost their ego slightly, they'll be more receptive to talking to you.

6-7: These are the girls who are labeled as "cute." They know they're not SUPER-HOT, but they definitely are confident and know they're better than average. With these girls, 1 compliment will do. Your compliments need to flow with the conversation, don't just tell her she has a great personality, when she's talking about sedimentary rock formations.

8-10: These girls have a bubble around them. The only guys who get to be inside their bubble is the guys who show that their not intimidated AT ALL!! These girls get NO COMPLIMENTS!!! In fact you should give them Negative Hits. If you don't know what that is, read the first page of this thread. Like I said above, mention anything but their looks. Tease them about the little things, tell them they write sloppy or ask them if she cried because a strand of hair is out of place etc. Do this in a playful way, so she knows your teasing but your REALLY NOT.. Do not apologize or kiss-@ss to these girls AT ALL!! Let's say hot girl X gives you her number. She tells you to call her at 8:00pm. You get busy and end up calling her at 8:35 pm. When you call, talk to her like everythings chill. She will then ask you why you didn't call earlier. Just tell her you were busy doing some things. Be vague, don't say, "I went to Mcdonalds and then I shaved my balls." Just say you were busy. Is this starting to make sense? Ok, that should clear it up .

dod123

awesome post. Definitely something to try out of you're struggling. I should send this to a couple of my friends. Of course no advice is absolute, but for the right people, this one is pretty good. Personally, i went from one-itis to a steady SO, but that's not for everyone, and i just got lucky i made it out of the 'friend zone' O.o

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ktthequeen

I agree. About this thread being hilarious.

And about the phone rules being bullshit.

If I don't get called, I assume a guy has no interest. And then I stop calling. Thus, the end of something potentially good.

Oh well.

Sleepyjack

hmmm, i am studying software engineering and we do quite a bit of software measurement and other stuff. Anyway, i really hate to quantify qualitative things, also by such a haphazard means. Although i understand your approach and intentions, and just warming the waters a bit, with ,perhaps, girls you're not particulary attractive to or much interested in.

I don't think you need such an elaborate scale in order to determine what a girl specifically is relative to yourself.

That said, and contradicting myself, i thinm you do need some subjective weightings in which you could apply yourself.

So, it you're mainly an ass kind of guy you'd give the ass more wieghting on the scale, so it takes precedence other other things. I think personality really should hvaemore weightings in the score. Fun is definitley more important than just eye candy, you need to hvae a good time and enjoy yourself!

Although that idea (about adding weightings to the scale) is just me being a little silly

Also aside from that thing i didn't agree wiht too much, you've raised some good points. I was definitley a bit of a oneitis before, now i am getting back to my roots as an alpha male

Jay Francis

I've always been told that a flat stomach is more of a turn on than just about anything else. Take heed.

The Dude Chad

I'm in high school and have been known to have what you call one-itis. Do you have any advice about how to change my image? The advice you are giving here is mostly for girls you are just meeting, so hopefully you could give me a few tips for this also. Good post btw, I'm going to be trying out these new methods.

numberfive

Changing one's image cost's money. Unless you just want to cure your one-itis.

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PF_01

Here is some of my advice to add. Women are sort of like cats. Reserved but very gentle and forthcoming after they get to know you. They will come around checking you out. But if you come at them with too much energy they will run up under the couch. Eventually if your calm. You will have a lap cat. You could come at men with alot of energy like Dogs. You can play the bongo's on thier stomach and they will still love you for ever =)

Shades

I would like to add some advice that builds on what was previously said about confidence. In order to have confidence, you need two things.

Thing one: you need to respect yourself. No unreasonable self loathing, no uncertainty. You are the best agent you have, the only person in the entire universe who has 100% your best interests at heart. This ties in with dressing and grooming well- it's an easy sign that you consider yourself worthy of respect.

Thing two: be able to face rejection. It is possible, statistically speaking, that you will spend your entire life being rejected, always be single, and die alone. This is not the end of the world. You will still have the same opportunities everyone else has to make friends, succeed at work, rise to the top of your sport, or whatever. If you are afraid of being alone, that will always limit you. It will put the stench of desperation on you, however faint. Realize that the worst case scenario is not the end of your life. Paradoxically, once you are OK with the chance that you will always be alone, you will almost certainly not be.

I also had some advice for when you are in a relationship:

Don't take any bad treatment. No matter how good looking she is, or nice, or intelligent, or whatever, if she doesn't respect you, she's gone. Treat her the same way. If you need to end the relationship, don't think about it, and don't think it'll just get better. It won't. Pull the trigger and move on.

numberfive

Jesus Christ man what the fuck. And you're still going to go after her sister. Well you're persistant, I'll give you that.

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numist

Awesome thread - dont know why I'm reading it, but it is relevant and very good.

Back to my g/f now :P

a2k

If you find this thread insteresting, you might want to look here:

http://www.fastseduction.com/guide/

People have taken this stuff to a science. Personally, I skipped all of these methods and joined a band. Much easier and you get free beer.

phunktastic

I hope I'm not thread jacking here but this question is from that fastseduction site (which I've been addicted to since clicking the link,, interesting stuff to start trying out).

They have a thing about eye contact on there. I'm always afraid to make eye contact because she might get creeped out and think I'm staring her down. Whats the difference between staring and making/locking eye contact for a long time?

It did make me think though,, why look away first? Then I'll never know if she kept looking at me or not.

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Tiger69z

I dunno, it seems that a smile and then looking away is great...

but i'm not a super experienced playa, or even a playa for tha tmatter.

I think it has something to do w/ facial expression, i figure you must radiate confidence when locking eyes w/ a girl. Think about it, if you're looking pissed or horny it's likely to show through your facial expressions ya?

almostaugust

My tips are.
Get out of your comfort zone and be confident (not cocky).

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yellowgowild

Or you can forget all that and follow what works...

Lesson#1......

Look like me.

matt_mll

In general the number one thing that has allowed me success with women is confidence. I'm not great looking, but I make an effort to look good. I'm not well worded (i certainly can't spell), but I'm not afraid to talk or start a conversation. Most women respond positively to this effort.

Earlier in life I was unable to talk to women without getting nervous and screwing up. At some point it all clicked. I told myself "what do you have to loose... really." After that I was able to relax, and word/conversations flowed smoothly.

Women will tell you (either directly or indirectly through body language) what they think of you. The rest is easy.

Plan9Senior

Stiltzkin, sorry I have not replyed to your message. I have been neglecting this thread to give it some time between posts. I am on my way out the door right now but I will read your post and tell you what I think when I have a bit more time. From what I read on your opening sentance, I hope that nobody thinks that I am being a cocky @sshole or anything like that. You basically hit the nail on the head when you said " Although the universal techniques described by him can be used to get a quick lay, they can also be used to start something more serious." I absolutely love women and think they are the sole reason that keeps me waking up every morning and striving to better myself every day, so hopefully that can clear any misconceptions by any people who think I am trying to fuck with them to hurt them. Some women might not like what I have to say, but I challenge any of them to honestly tell me that women don't play more games then men. I am teaching you ways to counter their games and to have one-up on them and they aren't going to like it much. Anybody thinking that you want to meet a person... fall in love... play absolutely no games... and live happily ever after, well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news but you have watched sleepless in seatle and other (fill in your favorite Meg Ryan movie here) non realistic romance films too often and will most likely spend your life with a subpar partner or none at all.

On my way out, I will revive the thread when I get home.

Plan9Senior

Ok, well first off I think you need to move on from the twins . Count that experience as a good learning one to teach you exactly what not to do. There are plenty more women out there that you will be able to chase that fortunatly don't have a clue that you basically made yourself look like a psychopathic stalker with the twins (I know you aren't, but you did a good job of playing the role ). Don't get hung up on the ones that are too hard to get. Not only are they not worth it in the long run, but even when you finally do get to be with them you will always have the insecurity of knowing that you had to basically force yourself upon them. I, for one, enjoy want to feel like they are the ones trying to be with me as well, otherwise it isn't worth my time.

Ok, here is where you are mistaken. To be a true pro at this you have to have CONFIDENCE. It can't be fake, you have truely believe that you can make any girl feel great inside. That these girls lives are better because they just met you. If you want to see physical examples of this, just watch the guys at your school who get all the hot girls. They have this mentality down, with out even knowing it. That being said, it has nothing to do with "lack of thought" and everything to do with "thinking positive". I cannot stress how important confidence is and how much women are attracted to it.

Plan9Senior

Lesson #6 Blind Date, 5th Wheel, and every other dating show on TV.


Alright, I'll be the first one to admit it, when I have free time I'm occasionally watching all those dating shows. You know Blind date, Fifth wheel etc. In the beginning I use to just watch them for hot chicks. However now, I dissect each date and figure out if the guy is a total pussy or if he's a Alpha male. Once you mastered the concept of how the Alpha male is suppose to act and all the techniques behind it, you'll realize that shows like these are a invaluable lesson to getting you laid. They teach you EXACTLY how to act and how NOT to act. For example, I was watching Blind date a week ago. The girl was SMOKIN'!! She was in excellent shape, had a nice deep tan, with a tremendous pair of fake tits. She was a 8 on my scale. The guy was a normal looking business guy. They met eachother in a courtyard and they sit down and have a glass of wine to start off with. Immediately the guy is blatantly staring at her tits and just salivating like a dog. He then initiates the 1st of many compliments to her. He tells her how beautiful she is. She slightly rolls her eyes and says "thanks." The way she did this completley proved that really hot girls take compliments on the obvious like an insult. If you compliment these girls they want to hear something different, something unique that sets you apart. But they NEVER want to hear you compliment them within 20 minutes of your get-together. Anyway, they are driving in the car and the guy is just at a loss for words. He then asks her if she works out. She says "yes." And he says, yeah I was staring at your body and noticed you were in excellent shape. She once again roles her eyes and says "thanks." This pansy was so excited about the prospect of hooking up with the fake titted hottie that he didn't know what to do or say. Keep in mind the entire time he was talking he had a huge grin on his face. Then they go to dinner and he says, "umm err, I have to ask you something?" She says "what." He says, "are your breasts real??" She unhappily says "NO!" They then went to a bar. They're chillin at the bar and he's again telling her what beautiful HAIR SHE HAS!! WTF is wrong with this guy!! Is he a fukin' homo, who gives a shit about her hair. The dude had a couple glasses of wine at dinner and they had to get a taxi ride home. At this point he realized he had no chance so he let his dick do the talking. In the taxi he asked her if she wants to spend the night or come in for a few minutes. This was the topping on the KING COCK-SMOKER CAKE!! The lady politely declined. I think the fact that she was on TV made her act a little nicer to him than she would have. When they finally get to his door, he says alright well, "give me a hug." She taps him on the shoulder and says "Good night." He then asks her if she wants to spend the night or come in AGAIN!!!

Ok, has this taught you guys anything. This guy had a GOLDEN opportunity to bang a smokin' smokin' hot chick. All he had to do was play it cool, have a good conversation and he would have been in. Instead he drooled and complimented her, and complimented her and complimented her. He gave her the impression that he hasn't been laid in a long time and it was probably true. It was so pathetic, the guy was a complete tool. Start making it a habit to watch these shows when you can. Break down the entire date from start to finish. Look for signs of interest when the daters first meet eachother. Such as body language, conversation and voice tone. These shows basically spoon feed you the way to get laid. They have the confessional moments and post date wrap up where the girl tells you what she was REALLY thinking. My point is you should utilize all the tools that help you perfect your craft. Put it this way, if you had the perfect body you would still work out right? Of course you would. Because you don't want to lose what you have and you want to gain more!! Bingo. Once you have left your AFC days behind you and become a good PUA, you want to get better. You want to become a master. So you keep on practicing. Keep that in mind next time you flip past one of these dating shows.

Plan9Senior

I see that there arent as many replies to this as I thought there would have been, and I keep seeing posts on different threads that make me want to fucking puke at how pussy some of you guys are. I am almost thinking that I am wasting my breath and might stop giving lessons. I am truely dissapointed... but hey.. what can I expect from the average "internet crowd"?

Here is my last lesson until I feel that my words aren't being taken serious and actually read. almost 2k views and nobody posts.... bah... fuking pathetic. I take a lot of time to teach you guys this crap, at least post SOMETHING to tell me I am full of shit or that I am helping you out.


Lesson #7 - A Wolf In Sheep's Clothing

Ok if you guys really look into the Alpha male attitude, its all about walking around with a exceptionally high level of confidence. All the guys with skillz around have told you that your looks are not THAT important to your success with the opposite sex. So those of you who have learned how to play the game have embraced that and had good results with hot chicks. Well what about dealing with girls who act this way??? Now I'm not talking about girls who are 8's, 9's or 10's. These girls are exceptionally hot in our books and they know it. They've built up a tough skin to wussies and chumps who act like their bitch. What I'm talking about are girls who are 5's, 6's and 7's who ACT like they're a 8,9 or 10. Now a lot of guys will make the mistake of using the scale on a girl and they planning to proceed with that mentality. For example lets say your at a party. You see a girl and you do the scale on her. She comes out to a 6.5 So you think, "hey she's a 6.5, she'll probably like a few compliments and a decent guy attitude. If I'm cocky she'll HATE IT!!" This would be a key mistake!! Because until you have a conversation with a girl you don't know what her perception of herself is. This is why I believe its VERY IMPORTANT to do the initial approach and then let the girl talk for a little bit. Feel her out(not literally ) and see what her angle is. What your looking for is her bitch shield, her confidence and her receptiveness towards your advance. If you learn this it shoud help a lot of you hit homeruns when you otherwise might have struck-out.

So you might be asking, "how in the world would a girl who's about a 5, act like she's a 9??" Well, the answer is, through learning the game. She probably got tired of getting guy's she wasn't into or no guys at all. So she figured just like all the past-pansies on this board did, that she needs to adjust her mindset and attitude towards the opposite sex.


Also I really want to stress how important it is to practice everytime you can. Pimp it on the fat chick you saw at the mall. Who cares!! Its not like your actually going to hook up with her, your just building your confidence one step at a time.

yellowgowild

Thanks, Moses, for comming down from the mountain long enough to pass on your wisdom to us common internet folk without sounding too condescending.

Z_UWF

Hi Plan9. Nice tips, I've been reading them along with that fastseduction.com link. Helped a bunch. For instance, I have this chick I've been working on since prior to reading the posts. I asked her number after dropping her off at her dorm (seemed odd that she needed a ride across the fucking street, figured that was an obvious clue). Anyways, she said sure she'd give me her number, but could it be next class. I act indifferent, say no problem, but am thinking to myself wtf? Anyways, onto your advice helping... talk about always being prepared... Turns out, she's a friend of my roommate's girlfriend's roommate! I end up seeing her over the weekend (before the next class), chat with her some more, but follow the advice of ending the conv on a high note. I say I have to go.. I never bring up the phone number thing cus I don't want to look needy. And what do you know? She brings up the phone number thing, says she still needs to give me her number, suggests giving it right now. I say no prob, we exchange numbers, and bam! I plan on calling on Monday (this was Saturday night). Of course, I won't be asking for a "date." Any further suggestions?

Averett

edited by rogue49 for flaming

Exactly.

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Averett

Hey Z_FUW... Why don't you just ask her out? That's what you want, right? Why fucking play these little games when the end result you want is her? You'll feel like a complete idiot when a month down the line you see she's been snatched up by somebody with enough balls to throw these games out the window.

But what do I know. I'm just a girl reading this crap.

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Kaydron

well think i will follow your guide next year...... think i need a pimp year or something.....

But keep it going it's looking fine dude

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3zos

This helps with many an insecure male im sure. gives one a leg up if they need it. i dunno, in my experience, just get some self confidence, and the world is your fruitbasket. dont need to brand intelligence and heart as wussy, those attributes are fine and dandy. just need to, as Plan9 has said countless times, have an excellent self image and the rest will follow. Collapse in on yourself worrying about rejection and youre screwed for as long as you want to be. i would know

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