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maleficent · 08-05-2005, 07:26 AM

Extra points to anyone who can get the title reference
US Help Russians Trapped in Sub

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MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) -- The U.S. Navy says it is sending a crew to Russia's Pacific Coast to rescue seven Russian sailors trapped in a mini-submarine.

The rescue effort is a race against time, but the exact amount remains unclear.

One Russian naval spokesman said Friday the sailors had 24 hours of oxygen left, but a news report quoted another official later saying the sailors had enough air to last until Monday.

The AS-28 mini-submarine, itself a rescue vessel, ran into trouble on Thursday when it became snagged by fishing nets and some sort of cable during a military exercise off the Kamchatka peninsula.

The sailors cannot swim to the surface nor can divers reach the vessel because it is too deep at 190 meters (623 feet) below the surface, according to Russian Navy spokesman Capt. Igor Dygalo.

The situation is different to the Kursk submarine disaster of August 12, 2000 in which the Russian authorities rejected offers of help.

This time Russia swiftly requested assistance from the United States and Japan. Britain has also offered help and is airlifting rescue equipment.

A high-level overnight meeting of Naval officials in Hawaii decided to send a contingent of 30 U.S. sailors and two unmanned rescue vehicles called Super Scorpios to the Pacific waters, U.S. Navy sources told CNN.

The sailors and the rescue vehicles will be loaded onto an Air Force C-5 and will be departing from the San Diego North Island Naval Station. Departure will be as soon as 10:45 a.m. PT (1745 GMT) on Friday.

The crew and the vehicles will then be taken to a Russian surface ship, from which the crew will drop the Super Scorpios over the side.

The underwater rescue vehicles -- equipped with video cameras and robotic arms that can cut up to one inch of steel cable -- will be used to untangle the mini-sub from the netting, the Navy sources said.

But as the operation intensified on Friday, naval officials revised earlier assertions that the crew had air to last several days.

"There is air remaining on the underwater apparatus for a day -- one day," Dygalo said Friday on state-run Rossiya television.

"The operation continues. We have a day, and intensive, active measures will be taken to rescue the AS-28 vessel and the people aboard," he said.

Dygalo and other officials had said earlier the mini-submarine had enough air to last for five days. The confusion was apparently caused by the fact that seven people were on the vessel, which normally carries a crew of three.

Russian authorities have had contact with the crew members all along. They understand their situation and are not panicking, Dygalo said.

They were asked to lower their physical activity level, save electricity, and try to keep themselves warm. He said crew members had enough food and water for five days.

Kursk criticism
The vessel, called a bathyscaphe, was in the Berezovaya Bay, about 70 kilometers (43 miles) from Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, Russian news agencies reported.

The accident took place almost five years to the day after 118 seamen died in the Kursk nuclear submarine disaster in the icy waters of the Barents Sea.

Some sailors survived for hours following explosions on board but oxygen later ran out. Russian authorities were criticized for their handling of the crisis.

The AS-28 was built in 1989. It is 13.5 meters (44 feet) long and 5.7 meters (18.7 feet) high and can dive to depths below 500 meters (1,640 feet), according to The Associated Press

A vessel of the same type was used in the rescue efforts that followed the Kursk disaster.

Japan said it had sent a vessel carrying submarine rescue gear and three other ships to join salvage efforts, but they are unlikely to arrive at the scene until early next week.

Color me suprised that help was asked for.... but I'm glad they did...

Charlatan · 08-05-2005, 07:28 AM

Reference: Sub movie, "Gray Lady Down".

I think it may have starred Charlton Heston.

tecoyah · 08-05-2005, 07:34 AM

Excellent Movie....by the way

radioguy · 08-05-2005, 12:35 PM

i'm glad they asked as well. it's shocking, but i'm also glad that our boys have rushed off to help them. there is no reason not too. i would hope that they would help us in a time of need as well.

Fremen · 08-05-2005, 02:43 PM

Looks like a Seussian sub.

feelgood · 08-05-2005, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Fremen

Looks like a Seussian sub.

Yeah it does, I wonder what's the reasoning behind the choice of colour

maleficent · 08-05-2005, 03:09 PM

It's a rescue sub, it probably has to be very visible in the water...

Imagine the irony of the rescue sub needing to be rescued

Elphaba · 08-05-2005, 04:10 PM

Ghost nets are a problem here and Navy divers hone their skills by removing them. But at that depth and an entanglement with a cable of some sort will make this recovery very difficult. This situation may argue well for an international maritime law to report all lost nets.

ngdawg · 08-06-2005, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by maleficent

Imagine the irony of the rescue sub needing to be rescued

Like the time my town's firehouse burnt down...

At least this time they asked for help-obviously the last time Russian sailors were trapped in a sub was a tragic lesson to not be so arrogant as to think you always have a handle on things.

Pip · 08-06-2005, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by feelgood

Yeah it does, I wonder what's the reasoning behind the choice of colour

Easy to spot in all kinds of water, I'd wager. Red/white is often used for maximum visibility at sea.

MSD · 08-06-2005, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by maleficent

It's a rescue sub, it probably has to be very visible in the water...

Imagine the irony of the rescue sub needing to be rescued

That's a lot easier to imagine than the fact that these guys are the rescuers who know exactly what's going to happen to them if they aren't pulled out in time because they've had to deal with it when they rescued others.

Bill O'Rights · 08-06-2005, 09:00 PM

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PETROPAVLOVSK-KAMCHATSKY, Russia (AP) - Seven submarine crew members trapped for nearly three days under the Pacific Ocean were rescued Sunday after a British remote-controlled vehicle cut away the undersea cables that had snarled the vessel.

The seven crew members, whose oxygen supplies had been dwindling amid underwater temperatures in the mid-40s, appeared to be in satisfactory condition, naval spokesman Capt. Igor Dygalo said. The seven were being examined by ship medics, he said.

It's good to see some good news every now and again.

DEI37 · 08-06-2005, 09:13 PM

The cabling that it is entangled in is some sort of off shore antenna that Russia uses to monitor coastal activities. I hope that they are rescued in good time, and it's all good in the end.

Pacifier · 08-07-2005, 01:36 AM

They are all rescued

Seven Russians trapped deep in the Pacific for three days have been rescued after their mini-submarine was cut free of nets it was snagged in.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4128614.stm

hunnychile · 08-07-2005, 05:29 PM

Great to have a happy ending finally in this week of bad world news!

Bravo to the Brits and the Russians! See - people do care & want to help.

08-05-2005, 07:28 AM	#2 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Reference: Sub movie, "Gray Lady Down". I think it may have starred Charlton Heston. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

08-05-2005, 07:34 AM	#3 (permalink)
tecoyah Illusionary	Excellent Movie....by the way __________________ Holding onto anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned. - Buddha

08-05-2005, 02:43 PM	#5 (permalink)
Fremen With a mustache, the cool factor would be too much Location: left side of my couch, East Texas	Looks like a Seussian sub. __________________ Google Last edited by Fremen; 08-05-2005 at 02:46 PM..

08-05-2005, 03:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	It's a rescue sub, it probably has to be very visible in the water... Imagine the irony of the rescue sub needing to be rescued __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.

08-05-2005, 04:10 PM	#8 (permalink)
Elphaba Deja Moo Location: Olympic Peninsula, WA	Ghost nets are a problem here and Navy divers hone their skills by removing them. But at that depth and an entanglement with a cable of some sort will make this recovery very difficult. This situation may argue well for an international maritime law to report all lost nets. __________________ "You can't ignore politics, no matter how much you'd like to." Molly Ivins - 1944-2007

08-05-2005, 12:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
radioguy Registered User Location: Texas	i'm glad they asked as well. it's shocking, but i'm also glad that our boys have rushed off to help them. there is no reason not too. i would hope that they would help us in a time of need as well.

08-06-2005, 09:13 PM	#13 (permalink)
DEI37 Go faster! Location: Wisconsin	The cabling that it is entangled in is some sort of off shore antenna that Russia uses to monitor coastal activities. I hope that they are rescued in good time, and it's all good in the end. __________________ Generally speaking, if you were to get what you really deserve, you might be unpleasantly surprised.

08-07-2005, 01:36 AM	#14 (permalink)
Pacifier undead Location: Duisburg, Germany	They are all rescued Seven Russians trapped deep in the Pacific for three days have been rescued after their mini-submarine was cut free of nets it was snagged in. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4128614.stm __________________ "It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere. Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death — Albert Einstein

08-07-2005, 05:29 PM	#15 (permalink)
hunnychile Alien Anthropologist Location: Between Boredom and Nirvana	Great to have a happy ending finally in this week of bad world news! Bravo to the Brits and the Russians! See - people do care & want to help. __________________ "I need compassion, understanding and chocolate." - NJB