Incidents In London...again - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

ShaniFaye · 07-21-2005, 04:55 AM

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London Tube stations evacuated

Thursday, July 21, 2005; Posted: 8:46 a.m. EDT (12:46 GMT)

LONDON, England (CNN) -- Emergency services personnel are attending three different Tube stations in central London following reports of "incidents," police say.

Scotland Yard told CNN Thursday one incident was also reported on a bus in Hackney, in east London. No casualties have yet been reported.

One Underground passenger told Sky TV a traveler's rucksack had exploded on a train.

The reports came two weeks to the day since bombs on three Underground trains in London and a double-decker bus killed 56 people including four bombers.

A Scotland Yard spokesperson told CNN that Warren Street, Shepherds Bush and Oval stations had all been evacuated.

There are no reports of any casualties at this stage, sources told the UK Press Association.

London Underground confirmed that services on three lines -- Victoria, Northern and Hammermith and City -- were suspended following the incidents, according to PA.

No further information is yet available. Passengers at Warren Street reported seeing smoke but police could not confirm this.

Ivan McCracken told Sky News: "I was in a middle carriage and the train was not far short of Warren Street station when suddenly the door between my carriage and the next one burst open and dozens of people started rushing through. Some were falling, there was mass panic.

"It was difficult to get the story from any of them what had happened but when I got to ground level there was an Italian young man comforting an Italian girl who told me he had seen what had happened.

"He said a man was carrying a rucksack and the rucksack suddenly exploded. It was a minor explosion but enough to blow open the rucksack.

"The man then made an exclamation as if something had gone wrong. At that point everyone rushed from the carriage."

The reports came two weeks to the day since bombs on three Underground trains in London and a double-decker bus killed 56 people including four bombers.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe...ube/index.html

I know not much news to go on.....but I wanted to share whats being said so far.

Bill O'Rights · 07-21-2005, 05:00 AM

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"He said a man was carrying a rucksack and the rucksack suddenly exploded. It was a minor explosion but enough to blow open the rucksack.

"The man then made an exclamation as if something had gone wrong. At that point everyone rushed from the carriage."

Sounds like someone screwed up. Of course, it's a little early to be making these assumptions.

Cynthetiq · 07-21-2005, 05:38 AM

I just saw this as I turned to get a soda at the pantry. I thought initially that the incident was just a rehash of what happened 2 weeks ago.

damn. I didn't like realizing it was a live feed.

I'm not turning on my TV well at least not the news, maybe today is a Lilo and Stitch day.

ShaniFaye · 07-21-2005, 05:41 AM

As wierd as this sounds...I hope they didnt do this to divert emergency people from somewhere else. All of this sounds kind of fishy to me.....

Daniel_ · 07-21-2005, 05:41 AM

The current thought is copy cat, or hasty lash up.

trickyy · 07-21-2005, 06:01 AM

here's the guardian newsblog

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1440 It is now becoming clear that there were three attempted bombings today - at Oval station, at Warren Street station, and on a 26 bus in Hackney. Speculation suggests the detonators on these devices went off, but the bombs themselves did not. Should this be the case, there are clearly going to be huge risks in disarming the devices. But in the bombs there is the potential for clues as to who, exactly, is behind this.

1400 An eyewitness has told Sky News that he was in the carriage next to the explosion at Warren Street. Someone dumped a large, black holdall or rucksack on the train and then ran off. Other passengers tried to stop him running away, but he escaped. Something in the bag went off, making a sound "like a Champagne cork popping".

1351 It is now being reported that there was an attempted suicide bombing at Warren Street, but the bomb didn't go off properly. Some windows were blown out of the number 26 bus at Hackney, it is reported, although images from a helicopter above the scene show little damage. Scotland Yard says it is not treating this as a major incident, yet - this does not appear to be on the same scale as July 7.

Cynthetiq · 07-21-2005, 12:10 PM

hmmm well here in NYC now everyone is on edge. They are saying police will do random backpack searches to people going into subways.

... gee that will help make it safer.

ShaniFaye · 07-21-2005, 12:13 PM

yeah and flying tomorrow should be real fun

Kubz18 · 07-21-2005, 12:53 PM

ya i think this could be work of a copy-cat(s)

who knows but what realistic are random backpack checks going to do....

if im a sucicidal crazy terrorist dont you think that i would realize that there will be random backpack checks and maybe use something else

i hate people living in fear

Charlatan · 07-21-2005, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye

yeah and flying tomorrow should be real fun

I wouldn't worry too much about flying. They do a lot more than just random backpack checks when you fly.

The chances of *anything* happening while you are flying, especially in the continental US, are exceedingly remote.

roachboy · 07-21-2005, 01:06 PM

funny how the wheels of paranoia turn, isn't it?

ShaniFaye · 07-21-2005, 01:15 PM

well i didnt mean anything bad was gonna happen....I just meant security is prob gonna be a pain in the ass

Kubz18 · 07-21-2005, 01:23 PM

ya, i love how even any random event no matter how small now gets people so worked up and paranioa sets in huge, and people start going nutz and start building bomb shelters and stuff(well maybe not that far...yet)

but you have to remember that this happened in london not in the US so i agree the chances of something happening here is very slim

ShaniFaye · 07-21-2005, 01:44 PM

should I qualify my statement even more by saying pres bush is going to be here in the morning...he lands right before I take off

Cicero · 07-21-2005, 02:37 PM

I'm concerned this is all going to lend towards a sudden surge in paranoia here in the United States. I'm afraid our leaders are going to overlook certain inalienable rights all for the pursuit of a perceived sense of safety rather than freedom. The Patriot Act may put some people at ease, but it makes me weary of the police state that could emerge from it.

Elphaba · 07-21-2005, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cicero

I'm concerned this is all going to lend towards a sudden surge in paranoia here in the United States. I'm afraid our leaders are going to overlook certain inalienable rights all for the pursuit of a perceived sense of safety rather than freedom. The Patriot Act may put some people at ease, but it makes me weary of the police state that could emerge from it.

The President has recently requested a full renewal of the Patriot Act on the heels of the previous London bombings.

I agree with you, Cicero. There are better ways to secure our country.

Ustwo · 07-21-2005, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Elphaba

The President has recently requested a full renewal of the Patriot Act on the heels of the previous London bombings.

I agree with you, Cicero. There are better ways to secure our country.

Feel free to list them

Elphaba · 07-21-2005, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

Feel free to list them

Gee... let me think.

- Our borders remain vulnerable
- TSA is non-effectual unless they get points for being a nuisance
- We still don't have a common database for all security institutions
- Our high profile industries remain inadequately protected
- Our ports remain inadequately protected
- Our transportation systems remain inadequately protected
- Chemical and nuclear plants remain inadequately protected
- Homeland security funds are disproportionately expended

But, hey... the Patriot Act sure locks down our libraries for anyone reading suspected works.

Does that suffice as a starter?

Ustwo · 07-21-2005, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Elphaba

Gee... let me think.

- Our borders remain vulnerable
- TSA is non-effectual unless they get points for being a nuisance
- We still don't have a common database for all security institutions
- Our high profile industries remain inadequately protected
- Our ports remain inadequately protected
- Our transportation systems remain inadequately protected
- Chemical and nuclear plants remain inadequately protected
- Homeland security funds are disproportionately expended

But, hey... the Patriot Act sure locks down our libraries for anyone reading suspected works.

Does that suffice as a starter?

You mean people have their panties in a bunch over libraries?

While we could very well spend billions trying to seal off the boarders, and maybe create no-mans land around every major industry, we could also spend very little monitoring possible terrorists. Of course that requires ....bah bum... the Patriot Act!

Elphaba · 07-21-2005, 04:34 PM

As always, cute...very cute.

Elphaba · 07-21-2005, 05:15 PM

Those dang librarians can be so fussy:
________________________________________________________________________

House Poised to Reauthorize USA Patriot Act
By Alan Elsner
Reuters

Thursday 21 July 2005

Washington - The House of Representatives, ignoring protests from civil liberties groups and some conservatives, moved on Thursday to renew the USA Patriot Act giving the government unprecedented powers to investigate suspected terrorists.

Sixteen provisions of the 2001 law, hastily enacted in response to the Sept. 11 attacks on New York and Washington, are due to expire at the end of this year unless renewed by Congress. President Bush has repeatedly called on lawmakers to make the entire law permanent.

The House was poised to reauthorize the act with some minor changes designed to increase judicial and political oversight of some of its most controversial provisions. Republicans said the latest explosions in London showed how urgent and important it was to renew the law.

The act allowed expanded surveillance of terror suspects and gave the government the ability to go to a secret court to seize the personal records of suspects from bookstores, libraries, businesses, hospitals and other organizations - the so-called "library clause."

House Republicans agreed last week that this clause and another allowing so-called roving wiretaps, which permits the government to eavesdrop on suspects as they switch from phone to phone, would be renewed for only 10 years instead of being made permanent.

The Senate judiciary committee was working on its own version of the act on Thursday, which included only four-year renewals of these two clauses.

"Since its enactment, there have been zero, and I repeat zero verified instances of civil liberty abuses," said Georgia Republican Phil Gingrey, opening debate in the House.

'Many Abuses'

But New York Democrat Louise Slaughter said many provisions of the act had resulted in many abuses, although she gave no examples. She and other Democrats complained that the Republican leadership refused to allow debate on several of their key amendments and seemed determined to ram the law through on a party-line vote.

"This is an abuse of power by the Republican majority which has deliberately and purposely chosen to stifle a full debate," said Maryland Democrat Steny Hoyer.

A coalition of liberal and conservative civil liberties groups, formed to oppose reauthorization of the law in its current form, this week called on lawmakers not to rush to reauthorize the bill without further debate.

"Certain sections of the law extend far beyond the mission of protecting Americans from terrorism and violate ordinary citizens' constitutional rights, especially the right to privacy," said former Republican Rep. Bob Barr.

Leading opposition from the left, the American Civil Liberties Union said the bill gave the FBI extraordinary power to obtain personal records, search individuals' homes or offices without their knowledge and to use a secret court to obtain personal date on ordinary Americans.

spectre · 07-21-2005, 05:49 PM

Okay kids, this isn't the Politics forum, this is a posting about the incidents in London. Let's try to stay on topic in here. If you want to get into it over libraries and the Patriot act, start a new thread, then ring the bell. Otherwise, back to your corners and back on topic.

/end threadjack

stevie667 · 07-22-2005, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by spectre

Okay kids, this isn't the Politics forum, this is a posting about the incidents in London. Let's try to stay on topic in here. If you want to get into it over libraries and the Patriot act, start a new thread, then ring the bell. Otherwise, back to your corners and back on topic.

/end threadjack

Darn tootin'!

More bombs, more terrorists, when will our damned government just start kicking people out or throwing them in jail already? Jeez! It's like we have a small collection of potted flowers making law these days.

MSD · 07-22-2005, 03:35 AM

Update
Early this morning (I guess late this morning GMT,) police confronted a suspicious man wearing a puffy jacket. He refused to stop, jumped a turnstile, tripped, and was shot and killed when he got back up to start running again.

07-21-2005, 05:38 AM	#3 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	I just saw this as I turned to get a soda at the pantry. I thought initially that the incident was just a rehash of what happened 2 weeks ago. damn. I didn't like realizing it was a live feed. I'm not turning on my TV well at least not the news, maybe today is a Lilo and Stitch day. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

07-21-2005, 05:41 AM	#4 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	As wierd as this sounds...I hope they didnt do this to divert emergency people from somewhere else. All of this sounds kind of fishy to me..... __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

07-21-2005, 05:41 AM	#5 (permalink)
Daniel_ Evil Priest: The Devil Made Me Do It! Location: Southern England	The current thought is copy cat, or hasty lash up. __________________ ╔═════════════════════════════════════════╗ Overhead, the Albatross hangs motionless upon the air, And deep beneath the rolling waves, In labyrinths of Coral Caves, The Echo of a distant time Comes willowing across the sand; And everthing is Green and Submarine ╚═════════════════════════════════════════╝

07-21-2005, 12:10 PM	#7 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	hmmm well here in NYC now everyone is on edge. They are saying police will do random backpack searches to people going into subways. ... gee that will help make it safer. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

07-21-2005, 12:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	yeah and flying tomorrow should be real fun __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

07-21-2005, 12:53 PM	#9 (permalink)
Kubz18 Crazy Location: Austin....Austin, Massachusetts	ya i think this could be work of a copy-cat(s) who knows but what realistic are random backpack checks going to do.... if im a sucicidal crazy terrorist dont you think that i would realize that there will be random backpack checks and maybe use something else i hate people living in fear __________________ "I have no idea whats going on"

07-21-2005, 01:06 PM	#11 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	funny how the wheels of paranoia turn, isn't it? __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

07-21-2005, 01:15 PM	#12 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	well i didnt mean anything bad was gonna happen....I just meant security is prob gonna be a pain in the ass __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

07-21-2005, 01:23 PM	#13 (permalink)
Kubz18 Crazy Location: Austin....Austin, Massachusetts	ya, i love how even any random event no matter how small now gets people so worked up and paranioa sets in huge, and people start going nutz and start building bomb shelters and stuff(well maybe not that far...yet) but you have to remember that this happened in london not in the US so i agree the chances of something happening here is very slim __________________ "I have no idea whats going on"

07-21-2005, 01:44 PM	#14 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	should I qualify my statement even more by saying pres bush is going to be here in the morning...he lands right before I take off __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

07-21-2005, 02:37 PM	#15 (permalink)
Cicero Tilted	I'm concerned this is all going to lend towards a sudden surge in paranoia here in the United States. I'm afraid our leaders are going to overlook certain inalienable rights all for the pursuit of a perceived sense of safety rather than freedom. The Patriot Act may put some people at ease, but it makes me weary of the police state that could emerge from it.

07-21-2005, 04:34 PM	#20 (permalink)
Elphaba Deja Moo Location: Olympic Peninsula, WA	As always, cute...very cute.

07-21-2005, 05:15 PM	#21 (permalink)
Elphaba Deja Moo Location: Olympic Peninsula, WA	Those dang librarians can be so fussy: ________________________________________________________________________ House Poised to Reauthorize USA Patriot Act By Alan Elsner Reuters Thursday 21 July 2005 Washington - The House of Representatives, ignoring protests from civil liberties groups and some conservatives, moved on Thursday to renew the USA Patriot Act giving the government unprecedented powers to investigate suspected terrorists. Sixteen provisions of the 2001 law, hastily enacted in response to the Sept. 11 attacks on New York and Washington, are due to expire at the end of this year unless renewed by Congress. President Bush has repeatedly called on lawmakers to make the entire law permanent. The House was poised to reauthorize the act with some minor changes designed to increase judicial and political oversight of some of its most controversial provisions. Republicans said the latest explosions in London showed how urgent and important it was to renew the law. The act allowed expanded surveillance of terror suspects and gave the government the ability to go to a secret court to seize the personal records of suspects from bookstores, libraries, businesses, hospitals and other organizations - the so-called "library clause." House Republicans agreed last week that this clause and another allowing so-called roving wiretaps, which permits the government to eavesdrop on suspects as they switch from phone to phone, would be renewed for only 10 years instead of being made permanent. The Senate judiciary committee was working on its own version of the act on Thursday, which included only four-year renewals of these two clauses. "Since its enactment, there have been zero, and I repeat zero verified instances of civil liberty abuses," said Georgia Republican Phil Gingrey, opening debate in the House. 'Many Abuses' But New York Democrat Louise Slaughter said many provisions of the act had resulted in many abuses, although she gave no examples. She and other Democrats complained that the Republican leadership refused to allow debate on several of their key amendments and seemed determined to ram the law through on a party-line vote. "This is an abuse of power by the Republican majority which has deliberately and purposely chosen to stifle a full debate," said Maryland Democrat Steny Hoyer. A coalition of liberal and conservative civil liberties groups, formed to oppose reauthorization of the law in its current form, this week called on lawmakers not to rush to reauthorize the bill without further debate. "Certain sections of the law extend far beyond the mission of protecting Americans from terrorism and violate ordinary citizens' constitutional rights, especially the right to privacy," said former Republican Rep. Bob Barr. Leading opposition from the left, the American Civil Liberties Union said the bill gave the FBI extraordinary power to obtain personal records, search individuals' homes or offices without their knowledge and to use a secret court to obtain personal date on ordinary Americans.

07-21-2005, 05:49 PM	#22 (permalink)
spectre Junkie	Okay kids, this isn't the Politics forum, this is a posting about the incidents in London. Let's try to stay on topic in here. If you want to get into it over libraries and the Patriot act, start a new thread, then ring the bell. Otherwise, back to your corners and back on topic. /end threadjack __________________ "Fuck these chains No goddamn slave I will be different" ~ Machine Head

07-22-2005, 03:35 AM	#24 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	Update Early this morning (I guess late this morning GMT,) police confronted a suspicious man wearing a puffy jacket. He refused to stop, jumped a turnstile, tripped, and was shot and killed when he got back up to start running again.