Gilda

One of the local news stations has a new method of "stealth" advertising, called "Consult with a pro". The idea is somewhat sound. Viewers write in with a question, and a professional in that area answers the question.

But it really isn't any kind of an advice service, so much as it's a new method of advertising. The professionals are all local businessment who plug thier business as a part of their answer. Sometimes the questions are laughably bad:

Q: Why did you open [business name]?
A: All the other business are crooks whos employess are paid comissions. We pay a salary.

Sometimes the advice seems like it might be genuinely helpful:

Q: When can orthodontal treatment first begin?
A: Ideally a child can be referred for treatment between the ages of 5 and 8. Preventive measures taken at this age can prevent more serious problems later on. (advice given by an orthodontist).

So I have insomnia tonight, and I'm typing up a journal entry about it, and a spot comes on:

Q: When is a child too young for chiropractic treatment?
A: It's never too soon for chiropractic treatment. Childbirth is one of the most traumatic experiences in a person's life, so it's important to get your newborn in as soon as possible. (by a chiropractor, of course).

I don't know whether or is more appropriate. Would anyone seriously take a newborn to a chiropractor? There are these doctors who specialize in the treatment of children, called pediatricians, who might be a better choice.

I don't know which is worse, that the news division is allowing advertising disguised as news, or that they're alllowing advice like this to be given. What next, a consultation with a psychic? Actually, I'd take my baby to a psychic before I would a chiropractor.

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DEI37

We took kiddo to a chiropractor based on the advice of the nurse that was working with my wife and her pregnancy. So, yeah, based on that, I'd say it's not a bad idea at all. If you think about it, it makes sense, really.

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Actually, Gilda, the reason chiropractic care is recommended for newborns is because the birthing process is so stressful on the infant's body. Since newborns are so teeny, the slightest variation in the positioning of their vertebra can press on the internal organs, and cause digestive problems (such as spitting up constantly, heartburn, or dierreah(sp)). Also, by taking a child to a chiropractor when they're little, the parents are ensuring that the kid is growing up with a straight and aligned spine. I've known three or four people who had children with either constant spitting up or "colic" and after one visit to the chiropractor their kids were perfectly fine.

I know that a lot of people are skeptical of chiropractors, but my chiropractor is the reason I can get out of bed in the morning, and I'd recommend ANYONE to a chiropractor.

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Redlemon

My sister-in-law is a pediatric physical therapist. She has nothing good to say about chiropractors.

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guthmund

Seems to me that chiroptics (did I spell that right?) is about manipulating bone. Moving this thing in alignment with this thing. Pulling, stretching, gouging, turning, twisting, rotating and general manipulation of joints, bones and things in an attempt to get the sick....healthy.

What I don't understand is why would you take a baby, who, for all intents and purposes, doesn't really have a whole lot (if any) solid bones in his/her body to a guy whose job is manipulating said bones?

Seems to me a heavy-handed chiropractor could do some serious damage to a baby.

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Ustwo

Some chiropractors are very good physical therapists.

Chriopractic theory is total quackery.

I could go into it, but listen to a chiropractor.
http://www.chirobase.org/01General/chirosham.html

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Mephisto2

I agree 100%.

My wife is a physiotherapist. I believe you call them physical therapists in the US. It's quite a difficult course to gain entry to.

She then studied for four years to get her degree. She's worked in the field for 10 years, in several countries and in several disciplines.

She then went on to do a Master's Degree in Sports Physiotherapy. And then she went on to do another Master's Degree in Manipulative Physiotherapy (basically the same area the chiros claim to practice in).

Without seeming to trumpet her ability, one Bachellor's degree, 10 years experience and two Master's degrees put her in the top 3% of those who work in this area.

Her opinion of chiropractors?

They're quacks. They do more harm than good. They don't base their treatment on any real medical or proven methodology.

I would prefer to walk on my infants back than bring them to a chiropractor.


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snowy

Yeah, I would definitely not take my newborn to a chiropractor. I have nothing against chiropractic except for the fact that 9 times out of 10 you have to go back for repeat visits, and honestly, I'd rather go see my osteopath. My biggest problem with chiropractic is that it is so passive, unlike physical therapy. When I was suffering from chronic back pain, I tried out everything to solve the problem--the only 2 things that worked were stretching and strengthening exercises my physical therapist gave me, and taking a yoga class like my osteopath recommended.

I thought that orthodontic advice was pretty good though--I had several teeth shaved when I was younger in order to bring my lower teeth more into alignment. Needless to say they are not nearly as crooked now as they could have been, and I certainly had no need for braces.

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SaltPork

A NEWBORN TO A CHIROPRACTOR?!?!? That is simply lunacy!!! Chiropractors are nothing but a complete and utter sham. I went to one for my neck and he fucked up my lower back. Then he told me I needed back surgery...wtf, I was fine before I went there!! Chiropractor's are nothing but modern day witch doctors.

Just my two cents....I would never even imagine bringing a baby to one of these freaks, ever!

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Rubyee

I am not sure what I think about my chiropractor. I went for a pain that was at one point in my life a once every two month occurence, and became a daily thing. He helped for a while, but wanted me to keep coming back and keep coming back. The pain is back, though slightly subdued, and still he wants me to keep coming back. I know they say that if you don't keep doing it, it won't work, but enough is enough.

I would take my newborn, if and only if it was a two-three time thing. But once they start setting up schedules, I am outta there.

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TM875

Okay people, don't knock it until you tried it.

When I was 9 days old, I made my first trip to the chiropractor. The only reason my mom waited that long was because he was on vacation. My aunt's daughter went on her second day after birth. In all my years of going, I have encountered many parents who bring their kids in for adjustments. You know why?

The most physically traumatizing thing that any person ever goes through is birth. This is especially true if the baby was born in a hospital (one word: foreceps.). The sooner the child gets adjusted, the better the chance of them having a healthy life. I, for one, can tell you that I have NEVER had a major illness, affliction, trauma, disease, ect. Same thing goes for said cousin, and same thing goes for many of the children that I know of that have been visiting good chiropractors since birth.

They are not just doctors to visit when you have lower back pain. Being adjusted is a way of life - one I would say is more important than any other type of routine medical care out there.

Don't be ignorant just because you've never experienced it yourself.

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Redlemon

That's why you want physical therapy. A chiro will simply readjust you. A PT will teach you how to stretch and strengthen the problem areas to keep the pain from coming back.

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Ustwo

I've never had any major illness either, etc, and I've never been to a chiropractor.

I'm afraid disease is not just a pain in the neck.

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TM875

Those cases, like many incidents with "normal" doctors, can blacken a trade. Of course there's idiots out there. Working as a personal injury intern, I also encountered far, far more idiotic doctors working at local hospitals and medical centers. The moral of this story? Research your health care professionals.

The first chiropractor that I went to after I was born was one of the most entrusted people in my family's life. My mom had been going to him since she was 20 (so 16 years at that point), and we both continued going until I was 14. When he retired and moved away (which was like losing a family member), he recommended another local chiropractor that fulfilled the same ideals and practices that he tried to teach. My family has been going to her ever since (I even have an appointment tonight!...every two weeks).

These doctors that I have had have never kept me, or any of their patients, from serious medical treatment if necessary (I've never needed it, but she has referred both my mom and aunt to great doctors and P.T.s). In fact, several area doctors (the white-coated kind) refer their patients to her all the time. Only when doctors and chiropractors work together and understand each other can the best relationship develop. There are some things that M.D.s can't do, just like there are some things that a D.C. can't do. To say blanketly that all chiropractors are quacks would be like me saying all eye doctors are frauds, since I've never been to one that I think gave me a good perscription.

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I would be very careful taking a newborn to a chiropractor, and only on the advice of a physician. Also, you can find chiropractors who are also MDs or who have some kind of (forgive me) "real" medical training. I don't think all chiropractors are quacks, but I also am not sure I believe in subluxation theory (pinched nerves caused by vertebral misalignment cause reflecting problems in the areas served by those nerves). The only malady for which chiropractic has been clinically proven to be effective is in treating lower back pain. Even so, you shouldn't have to go back every 3-4 weeks to stay healthy. I am much more in favor of a holistic approach - manipulations where appropriate, combined with massage, exercises/stretching, and proper medical care where warranted.

Because newborns are so fragile and they're still developing, you'd want to check out a chiropractor the same way you'd check out any doctor. Get referrals, see if they've had complaints or licensure problems, consult with them before treatment. And be very suspicious of anyone who questions germ theory or discourages you from using traditional medicine.

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ErcDaMerc

I like the chiropracter- i've gone to a few and found that some are idiots, some are hippies, and some are proffesionals. One i go to is very proffesional and he does his job well. The hippie is also pretty good but its a little wierd going to see him sometimes. He is also learning karate or something and once and a while he goes, "Hi-yA!" as he makes an adjustment...
nonetheless when my neck and shoulders hurt a lot, the chiropractor clears it right up for me

I've also found that an adjustment helps relieve my sinus pressure (i have allergies and often sinus pressure)

but as for a newborn - i think thats nuts

clavus

My chiropractor thinks that taking a newborn to a chiropractor is nuts. But my chiropractor is one of those chiropractors that doesn't hesitate to say, "You ought to see a doctor for this."

Some are dangerous dipshits. Some can do real good.

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Mephisto2

Remember what chiropractors do. They effectively "crack backs".

Doing that to an infant is dangerously close to child abuse.

I refer the readers of this thread to the following links:

http://www.chirovictims.org.uk/
http://www.geocities.com/healthbase/chirolinks.html
http://www.chirowatch.com/
http://www.chirobase.org/
http://www.ebm-first.com/

Let me also quote Chiropractor Dr Holmquist

Physiotherapists = good
Osteopaths = good
Chiropractors = bad

But by all means, draw your own conclusions.


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Marvelous Marv

I wonder if you could find out from your chiropractor what the theory behind that is.

I had one tell me he could cure trigeminal neuralgia, which sounded pretty strange, since the trigeminal nerve only runs within the head.

getwonk'd

I went to the chiro for a hip problem. It hurt but I could walk. After seeing the chiro, I couldn't walk without a cane and fell quite a few times because my hip was so weak. It took six months of physical therapy and other doctor visits to fix the problems. I still have many problems because of this, including extreme pain much of the time. So, unless my pediatrician said it was important to get my child in to see the chiro, I would not. Even then I would get a second opinion.

Ustwo

I was bored tonight and did a LOT of reading on this.

I didn't have a whole lot of respect for chiropractors prior to this thread, but it seems I underestimated how bad and quack like it was.

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Ustwo

Well some have moved on to manipulation of the tmj as well.

Ugh flash back from school.....foramen rotundum....facial tick....trigeminal ganglion....pterygopalatine fossa....maxillary artery....glycerine injections....

Glad thats over.

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Gilda

To clarify: I'm sure that some people with lower back pain benefit from visits to legitimate chiroprators, ie, those who treat problems of the lower spine.

My and my were in reaction to the idea that a trip to the chiropractor should be routine for a newborn the way a trip to the pediatrician should be, even in the absense of some condition that indicates the need for a back adjustment.

I see chiropractors as the equivilent to podiatrists. They're non-medical specialists who can help with one specific part of the body, and shouldn't be messing with anything else, or promoting themselves as primary care physicians.

Grace, who is a medical professional, sees no reason for anyone to see a chiropractor. They're not qualified to treat anything but spinal alignment problems, and if they do claim or attempt that, they're either dishonest or actually believe that spinal adjustment cures disease, in which case they're dangerous. If someone does have back problems, there's nothing a chiropractor can do that a qualified physical therapist cannot also do, with the advantage that all qualified PT's work in conjuction with a medical doctor.

Other interesting "Ask the pro" responses:

Q: Should someone get prequalified before seeing a realtor?
A: Absolutely not. The realtor will be able to shop around for the best loan possible for the buyer (by a realtor).

In the same 30 minute time period:

Q: What services does a mortgage company supply?
A: Going to a mortgage company should be the first step in buying a home. A mortgage broker can offer the same services as a bank and a real estate broker in one service. Always get pre-qualified with a mortgage broker before seeing anyone else. (by a mortgage broker).

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ForgottenKnight

I dissagree with this. The power that made the body heals the body. The body heals itself when aligned correctly. Chiropractors don't cure diseases. Ajusting the spine does not heal diseases. Chiropractors adjust the spine so that the signals from the brain get sent and recieved to the other parts of the body correctly, without signals getting jumbled before getting to the organ or whatever part is having problems. That allows the body to reconize that there is a problem and then treat the problem naturally, thus helping the body to get over the disease. Does this mean that one shouldn't take medication as well? No if the medication treates the problem; yes if the medication only treats the symptoms.
I speak from personal experience. I had upper back pain and decided to go to a good chiropractor (I looked around before I chose which one to go to on the list that is covered by my very picky insurance, including researching a few I had heard about that weren't on the list). I no longer have the pain. I go in for monthly adjustments as a part of my recovery. The other month I came down with a very bad flu. I went to a regular doctor and the recommended medications treated the symptoms but had no effect on the sickness, as well as their own side effects that were as bad as the symptoms themselves. I stopped taking the useless medication that should have helped me long before that and went to my chiropractor for a regular checkup. I would have (and should have) made an apointment to go sooner had I not had one scheduled. After being adjusted, my body was able to get over the sickness in only a few days. Chiropractics allowed my body to do something on its own in a few days that medication couldn't do for over a week. And the only side effects I had were a better nights sleep and no back pain. I've had bad experiences with "primary care physicians" and don't trust half of them. From now on, when I get sick, I'm going to my chiropractor for an adjustment before I go see a doctor for another prescription that will do nothing but make me even sicker.

Now as far as taking an infant or child to a chiropractor, I'd make darn well sure it was a good chirpractor, that he has adjusted children and infants before, and that they're recommended for children or infants. If they have an M.D. like mine, then even better. Once I've done my research on the chiropractor, then I would take a kid.

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Mephisto2

No offense meant mate, but this is claptrap.

The body heals itself when aligned correctly?!

Aligned with what? The stars? :rollseyes:

You don't have a medical background, do you?

So why hasn't he "cured" you?

Because the chiropractor, by definition my friend, is treating the symptoms. He is manipulating your spine. Those "cracks" you hear and feel are his movement of your vertebrae.

And by only treating your symptoms, he ensures you keep coming back, rather than to a physio who will actually give you an exercise regime to help address the underlying problem. I wonder how much he charges you each visit?

You believe a CHIROPRACTOR cured your flu?!

Well, for starters, there is no cure for influenza. You can get vacinations against various strains, that stimulate your immune system into fighting the infection, but there is no "cure". Secondly, you must probably didn't have the flu (as you would most likely be bed-ridden or hospitalized if you did) and probably had what's usually called the common cold. Either way, does it occur to you that

a) the drugs you were prescribed were meant to treat the symptoms and not the cause?

b) that your body actually go over the infection in its own time, as it is supposed to?

Let's hope you never get the real flu, or (Heaven forbid) pneumonia. I'd love to see your chiropractor cure that. Or rubela. Or leprosy. Or sceptecemia. Or tuberculosis. Or any other raft of disases and infections that are cured or treated with modern drugs.

If you took an infant to a chiropractor, then you're dangerous as well as deluded.


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Vincentt

I dunno, all doctors are quacks.
I went to the doctor because I was a little afraid to get onto an airplane(for a 14+hour flight)... he wrote me up for lexapro... with a lexapro pen, on a lexapro pad.

It is all about the money, always, lets go sluggy.
"I want to help people" + $$$$$ " "It's its own reward."

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That's simply beautiful. You should send that back to the radio station, see what they say.

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pan6467

My experience with a chiropractor was great. He worked with a physical therapist and given the exercises and the realigning I never felt better. (Now when I stopped doing my strengthening exercises aft he and I were done, some of the stiffness came back, but none of the pain did.

Taking a child to see one though, I would not recommend it.

To me true healing comes from the mind, if you find something and truly believe it will and it does work, it will work. Whether it is modern medicine, holistic, acupuncture, faith healing, chiropractors etc., I truly believe that healing lies within.

Does that mean the cancer or disease will disappear? No, it simply means that perhaps the pain and the growth will slow or stop, and you will live longer and have a fuller life than if you did something you had reservations or didn't believe in but was told it would work.

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sapiens

Though modern medicine stands up to controlled studies while the others you list generally do not...

TM875

It's amazing how closeminded some people are. I've seen people go into remission from cancer, have had broken backs and necks heal, and have recovered from serious pain all over the body just due to a few weeks with a GOOD chiropractor. Again, some are quacks...but I've seen many, many more "real" doctors hurt people than chiropractors have.

The body will heal itself over time. Remember, we only know about 10% of our brain functions....if humans are as highly developed as we all want to believe, don't you think that maybe, just maybe, somewhere inside is the ability to fix the problems that one may encounter? The human body is capable of amazing things - why not self-healing? The correct alignment of the spine, and release from subluxation, allows a better communication of the brain signals to the rest of the nervous system. Anyone who has studied biology for a microsecond could tell you that the brain communicates with the central nervous system. Kinks in the line are equivelant to a kink in a garden hose - information can't flow as freely.




That's exactly the case. It so happens that I've always been to chiropractors that know what they're doing with newborns. The woman that I currently go to is also certified in physical therapy. The cost to me? $25 a visit - and she'll adjust me for free if I come with a family member. She's not getting rich off of this.

In the end, I would put personal trust in her far above any doctor. I've never had a family doctor - never needed one. Was in the hospital once only after a car accident. However, she still pushes me to find a general practitioner and go to the occasional check-up. Chiropractic is a means of preventative maintence of the body in order to prevent major catastrophic breakdown in the future.

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What you have seen and what controlled studies on much larger samples reflect may be two different things.

The 10% of our brain claim is a myth. Snopes has a summary. If you google it you can find other sources of evidence debunking it.

Of course, the human body is capable of amazing things. It is also capable to self-healing. I have scars to prove it.


Is there any empirical evidence of this? (Even if there is, there is no reason to conclude that spinal alignment should cure disease).

Yes, the brain is part of the CNS, but I'm not so sure about this and I'm not so sure that chiropractry has any impact on it. Is there any empirical evidence?

ForgottenKnight

Answer:
Why does that make any difference? Even if I had a Ph.D in brain surgery I wouldn't know every little thing that the brain actually does. Nobody knows. But I would still know that the brain communicates with the body through the nervous system and that if the nervous system is impaired by a misalignment of the spine, then the brain's ability to communicate with the internal body is impaired. I base my opinion on Chiropractics on both research and experience. With standard medicine, I haven't achieved results. With chiropractics, I have.

No. He did not "cure" anything. He correctly aligned my spine so that the body itself could heal itself. He did not treat the symptoms. The symptoms stopped as the body itself was able to communicate correctly to reconize the problem and fix it.

No. I believe that the chiropractor helped my body to get over the flu itself. By correctly aligning the spine, it allowed the body to use the nervous system to correctly communicate with the brain, thus allowing my body to cure itself.

So yes, they were prescribed to treat the symptoms, but the standard medical professional made it sound like they would treat the cause. I think that treating symptoms is pointless and that the only real way to go about getting over anything is to treat the cause. Obviously treating the symptoms alone was not helping my body get over the cause. And while the body will get over the infection on its own, it won't do it nearly as quickly if the signals from the brain are getting messed up while on it's way down to the body. Again, by correctly aligning the spine, it allowed the body to use the nervous system to correctly communicate with the brain, thus allowing my body to cure itself.

It appears to me that you and many others here are a bit closed minded about chiropractics. While it's not my place to say anyone is wrong, I will say that I dissagree.

Yes. If anyone wants information on the effects of Chiropractics, I suggest researching articles by Ronald Pero, Ph.D, from New York's Preventive Medicine Institute and professor of medicine in Environmental Health at New York University, who has published over 160 papers in peer review journals.
Other articles that may be helpful in understanding the body and how chiropractics can help include, but are in no way limited to, the following list.
1. John Lennon, BM, MM, C. Norman Shealy, MD, Roger K. Cady, MD, William Matta, PhD, RIchard Cox, PhD, and William F. SImpson, PhD. Postural and Respiratory Modulation of Autonomic Function, Pain & Health. AJPM Vol4. No.1 January 1994.
2. Restak, R.M. 1979 The Brain: The Last Frontier. NY Warner Books.
3. The laws of Fascculation Porland's Medical Dictionary. Dorkonos.
4. Mayo Clinic Health Letter. March 2000, Vol 18, #3.
5. Gore DR, Sepic SB, Gardner GM. Roentenographic findings of teh cervical spine in asymptomatic people. Spine 1986;6:591-694.
6. Adams CBT, Logue V. Studies in cervical spondylotic myelopathy part I: movements of teh cervical roots, dura, and cord adn their relation to the course of teh extrathecal roots. Brain 1971:94:557-568.
7. Cailliet R. Low Back Pain Syndrome. Philadelphia: FA Davis Co., 1981
8. Cailliet R. Soft Tissue Pain and Disability. Philadelphia: FA Davis Co., 1977.
9. Cailliet R. Neck and Arm Pain. Philadelphia: FA Davis Co., 1981.
10. Reilly B. Practical Strategies in Outpatient Medicine. Philadelphia: WB Saunders Co., 1984.
11. Lee D. Principles and practices of muscle energy and functional techniques. In: Grieve GP (ed.) Modern Manual Therapy of the Vertebral Column. New York: Churchill Livinstone, 1986.
12. Bourdillon JF, DayEA, Bookhout MR. Spinal Manipulation. Oxford: Butterworth-Heinemann, 1991.
13. Lewit K. Manipulative Therapy in Rehabilitation of teh Locomotor System. Oxford: Butterworth-Heinemann, 1991.
14. Donatelli R, Wodden M. Orthopedic Physical Therapy. New York: Churchill Livingstone Inc., 1989.
15. Gregg J. Carb, D.C., and Donald D. Harrison, M.S. D.C. Chiropractic BioPhysics: Optimal Correction of the Spine. 1989.
16. Damaging Effects of Forward Head Posture. Certainty Practice Products. 2001.
Also, The Brittish Medical Journal has published some very good articles on the positive effects of chiropractics over the years.

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pan6467

I didn't say they did.

But I truly believe it is small minded to say science proves this and everything else is wrong.

There have been many studies of people getting placebos told they are one thing and what the reactions should be and the subjects who are without doubt show those reactions.

I firmly believe that if someone believes something will help them and they have no doubts, that thing will help them. Even if it is only psychologically, although I firmly believe it can be both.

And while you have argued and showed Snopes debunking the 10% myth, I still believe there are powers in our mind that we have no idea exist within ourselves. I believe there is nothing the body and true belief can't "cure".

As I stated does that mean I believe the cancer or heart disease or whatever disappears?

No, it may, but I firmly believe those factors can slow the growth the decay and perhaps add years onto life. At the very least it can make it less painful.

So why don't we see more of it, we do see cases that "science and medicine" cannot explain, but not many?

Because we are a doubting society that always has some form of "show me it's truly working" in the back of our mind, and the littlest doubt can bring bigger doubts and the disease spreads.

In other words, I believe it takes 100% of your total mind, soul and body to believe that help is truly helping, for it to be effective. So if I see accupunture isn't helping me as fast as I thought it would, I set doubt into myself and the effectiveness starts decreasing. I believe that is the same for chemo, radiation, whatever,

When one truly thinks about life, our bodies and everything, we truly have no answers because when we believe we do, there comes along something to prove what we have thought to be true wrong. In the grand scheme of everything we truly know very little.

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Ustwo

And as such we venture into the heart of quackery. I'm sorry ForgottenKnight, but you my friend, were dupped. You said you had the flu a week, got an adjustment and then 3 days later you were fine. Well guess what, your body did heal itself, only it had nothing to do with someone playing with your spine. Had you had your adjustment a week earlier you would have had your flu exactly the same amount of time.

The only place where chiropractic 'medicine' and I use the term lightly has shown to have any reproducable help is in lower back pain. Your nerve energy is not being cut off by your missaligned spine, nor does your body need that nerve communication to heal itself. This is quackery, it sounds good, but its bunk.

Back in 1973 Chiropractic theory was 'tested'. They wanted to see if spinal manipulation did anything to the intervertebral foramina (thats the space where the nerves run) and the only way to get a change in that space was to put enough force on the spine to actually break it. All a chiropractor does is give you an expensive back rub (at best).

If it makes you feel good, keep going, people have found comfort from witch doctors, psychic healers, laying on hands and the like for years, but what is being done is not based on anything close to reality. Personally I'd rather go to a psychic healer as at least they won't do any harm.

And for ANYONE even dreaming of taking a newborn to a chiropractor ...

It doesn't work!

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krwlz

Two things... Infant to a chiropractor? Why? So it's the most stressful part of a persons life... And it's been happening just fine with no chiropractic help for how manyt thousand years? I'm pretty sure the lack of solidity in a newborns bones may have something to do with the fact that you are right, it is going to be traumatic. A little flex here and there probably prevents any dislocations solid bones would cause.

Second, never been to a chiropractor, never going to go. It's a bunch of bullshit if you ask me. I'm 6'1", lean, and perfectly straight, it obviously didn't hurt me.

Anyone ever think that your body could take care of it's self given decent nutrition, and regular excercise to keep all of your muscles doing what they were meant to do? As in not only move you, but keep bones, tendons, ligiments, catrilage and (oh heavens no!) your vertabrae in an appropriate spot?? Seems to me a halfway decently strong back will probably prevent all of your supposed "misalignments". Remember your body was designed by nature to have all its parts work together to keep you in decent shape.

And if he "cracks" the same spots in your body every time... well why do those same spots always seem to be "misaligned"? SHouldn't he have fixed them last time?

Lets all take a step back and look into living healthy, rather than overpaying a bunch of jackasses to "fix" us.

clavus

While we are bashing chiro, remeber that sometimes western medical science seriously fucks you up too.

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=66028

...or maybe it's just me.

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pan6467

I'd believe in the US medicine practice if it weren't so corrupted by passing out the latest drug and making sure you have insurance before you can even go see a doctor.

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Mephisto2

I don't think we're bashing chiro, per se... (well, maybe a little).

Hey, chiropractors attempt what properly trainined manipulative physiotherapists do - that is, manipulate joints.

So, the underlying effect of what they are doing can be good. It's just that their "theory" is complete bullshit.

I'd rather go to a physio (who has years of training and knows more about anatomy than most) than a chiro, who can get their "certified qualification" off the Internet if they want...

Mr Mephisto

snowy

Such is the power of the placebo effect, which HAS been proven by modern psychological studies Ahh, it's a wonderful thing, that placebo effect. That is where the power of the mind really is--I do believe you do have more mental control over your body than most people think. If chiropractic helps induce the placebo effect for you, fine but it shouldn't be done to children.

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ironman

There was a very interesting Penn & Teller's Bullshit episode about alternative healing processes, and chiropractics was one of them. Basically, it was concluded that chiropractors can't heal your body by cracking an popping here and there, not that they can't help with some problems, but to see it as an integral healing process, or something you should do to a newborn to enhance its health, pure bullshit!
I have gone to a chiropractor a copule of times, the first when i was 17 and took a 10 meters dive from a rock in a river, i entered the water off balance and hurt my neck, the pain was agonizing, i couldn't move my head and even breathing was painfull. I went to this chriropractor and voila, a few cracks and the pain was gone and i could move my head. So my experience was a good one, but not something i would recommend to someone who is not injured or for a child.

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