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Coppertop · 06-09-2005, 04:33 PM

In case anyone is interested, below is a link to some information about worldwide age of consent laws.

http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm

Lebell · 06-09-2005, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Astrocloud

Would it be funnier if I made fun of the puppet lady?

It depends.

Would you have described her as the "white" puppet lady, the "gay" puppet lady or the "jew" puppet lady?

I can't see how you fail to see that there is no difference.

Can you honestly say that you didn't throw in the word "fat" as a way of heaping additional scorn on this guy?

Had you just said this "asshat" protester, I would have totally agreed. He looks like an idiot.

But on the surface, what you are saying implies that not only is he an idiot, but he's a FAT idiot..HA HA HA!

Lebell · 06-09-2005, 04:44 PM

Oh, and as to the issue, while I don't personally have any Jackson albums, I think he was very talented.

Now I think he's just messed up middle aged man who is passing on his sickness by molesting children.

Send him to prison.

TM875 · 06-09-2005, 05:10 PM

I need the option: "I'm indifferent to Michael Jackson's music and think he's innocent by reason of insanity." He needs to be institutionalized, not locked up.

hotzot · 06-09-2005, 06:56 PM

I believe Mike is guilty, but I also believe he was set up.

KingOtter67 · 06-09-2005, 07:34 PM

Anyone looking for more pictures of the larger fan, go check http://www.drudgereport.com.

Astrocloud · 06-10-2005, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by KingOtter67

Anyone looking for more pictures of the larger fan, go check http://www.drudgereport.com.

We are supposed to provide the contents of the link and not just the link itself.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3mjf.htm

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XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX THU JUNE 09, 2005 16:03:43 ET XXXXX

JACKO REPORTER IN FEAR OF 'CRAZED' FAN; COURT ISSUES RESTRAINING ORDER

Diane Dimond and COURT TV have obtained a court-issued restraining order against the leader of a Michael Jackson fan contingent, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

The 20-year old male from Knoxville, Tennessee has been yelling and allegedly "threatening" Dimond for weeks, sources tell DRUDGE.

"It's turned ugly," a media source explains.

He was served with papers today on the Santa Maria court campus.

The fan has been chanting "bitch, bitch, bitch" as Dimond works and files her reports.

Media Row is separated from the fans by a fence and only 10 feet.

Jackson supporters believe Dimond has been operating as the prosecutor's unofficial advocate and mouthpiece.

Meanwhile, COURT TV has hired private security guards to protect Dimond.

Developing...

Astrocloud · 06-10-2005, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Lebell

Can you honestly say that you didn't throw in the word "fat" as a way of heaping additional scorn on this guy?

As a somewhat fat guy myself -I can claim that it doesn't bother me -but I can see that it bothers others. Sorry larger people -I know that there is more to hug.

cellophanedeity · 06-10-2005, 06:08 AM

I think that Micheal Jackson used to be talented, but that the obvious psychological problems he suffers from have hindered that talent.

I hope he is tried justly, and I have no idea if he's guilty or not. I don't watch or read the reports on the trial because I don't find it interesting. There are much more important things to worry about than Micheal Jackson sleeping with a kid.

To be honest, I'd like child services to be brought in after the case and save the kid from his bad parents. Why would any decent parent allow their child to sleep in the same room with a (creepy) forty year old, who has previously been accused of molesting a young boy? I'd never ever sacrifice a kid for millions, and I think anyone who would knowingly allow their child to enter that sort of risk should be tried themselves.

avhg1 · 06-10-2005, 06:14 AM

He's a freak and the people standing out there are freaks too. I don't know if he did it or not, but I don't think he should go to jail for being strange. However, you would think after being accused of this before, he would stop having "sleep overs"!

KingOtter67 · 06-10-2005, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Astrocloud

We are supposed to provide the contents of the link and not just the link itself.

Oops, sorry about that..

Will do it next time.

KO

Squishor · 06-10-2005, 08:39 AM

I have to admit to taking a sick sort of interest in the whole thing. It's purely just for the freakshow aspect of it. I admit it's not very healthy or enlightened of me but I just can't help it. I couldn't care less about normal celebrities.

Astrocloud · 06-10-2005, 11:36 AM

The face has a name "BJ Hickman". Mtv reports that he quit his job so that he can protest full time.

james t kirk · 06-10-2005, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Squishor

There is no option for "I don't like Michael Jackson's music and I don't know whether he is guilty or innocent but I think he is a complete freak regardless."

Exactly.

If his accuser was to say, "I don't want any money, it's not about the money. I will sign a contract that I won't sue him for money, I just want to see him put in jail to stop him from hurting kids", I would believe his accuser.

As it stands now, I don't believe his accuser.

Lebell · 06-10-2005, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Astrocloud

The face has a name "BJ Hickman". Mtv reports that he quit his job so that he can protest full time.

Sounds like an obsessed loony toon.

Ustwo · 06-10-2005, 02:06 PM

I love how he has the same expression in all the pictures.

pan6467 · 06-10-2005, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Astrocloud

The face has a name "BJ Hickman". Mtv reports that he quit his job so that he can protest full time.

This guy being in all the pics and whatnot, he's going to probably be able to walk away with a few interviews on national tv, some form of book deal and might even get to meet Micheal.

This guy will be the "flavor of the day" for a week or so and make enough to live quite well for a few years all because he made himself seen during this trial. What does that say about our society?

Hell, next big star trial I'm selling everything camping in front of the courthouse and make myself known (even if I have to streak) if I'm right and this guy makes money off this.

As for MJ........ he's a freak of nature. Don't know what happened to him after Thriller, but he just lost it, it started with the 1 glove and went from there. Course Latoya and Janet aren't exactly "normal."

Blackthorn · 06-11-2005, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by maleficent

What I don't understand -- well, I do sort of, but what the hell goes thru the mind of a parent allowing their child to spend time in this man's bedroom. Maybe I'm more than a tad prudish, but there have been allegations over his escapades for a decade... WHY risk it? What kind of parent puts their child into a situation where there might be trouble? What kind of parent would leave t heir child with a person who has been accused of sexual molestation.. Ok , he wasn't guilty the first time... but...

I knew if I continued reading this thread that someone would get to the point that seems lost in this whole mess. Why is it a good idea to allow your child to spend time alone with this guy? Bedroom or kitchen or anywhere...why is this a good idea?

If Jacko calls me on the phone and says "Hey ... would you mind if Timmy came over for a sleep over?" Uuuuum...no Whacko ... Timmy is going to be busy for the rest of his life as far as you are concerned. No need to call back.

For the record I have no children so perhaps I'm not the best source for judgement calls like this but it seems to reason that if you put your child in harms way to a certain degree you have the right to expect he or she will get hurt. Maybe....just maybe that's what the parents were hoping for in this case. Jacko is a walking freak show and that's note new news. Maybe the next trial that should happen is for these parents to be charged with negligence.

raeanna74 · 06-11-2005, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by lurkette

I'm so very tired of the publicity surrounding this case. I don't think he's particularly talented - he writes trite pop that, while catchy, isn't particularly interesting. His biggest selling point is that he was a child star who turned into a popular singer (and excellent dancer, gotta admit) who then got to be famous for just being a freak. I don't care whether he is guilty or not, frankly. I don't see any reason for this to be so widely covered - it's just another legal case in a sea of legal cases that have no bearing on my life or anyone else's who's not involved. I have to roll my eyes when I see on MSNBC.com that they'll break into broadcasts when the verdict is read. It's not like it's the Rodney King verdict. Sheesh.

You summed it up sooo well. Why should we give him MORE publicity if he is guilty of this. If not - why should we give publicity to the parents and child who , in that case, falsely accused him? I'm not sure what to think. Apparently there's enough evidence against him to have a case. Yet I've heard of things that make me question the character of the accusing parents. At this point I just really don't care.

Astrocloud · 06-11-2005, 07:14 AM

More stuff on BJ Hickman... from his own website:

http://www.bjhickman.tk/

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B.J. Hickman to change his legal Name
B.J. Hickman has decited to change his legal name to Prince Aaron Michael Jackson. BJ was named after his father BOBBY JOSEPH HICKMAN and Bobby Sr. was a drunk and a bad bad man.. he would beat BJ and his mother.... Bj was born so early he was only 2 lbs 4oz. The reason BJ wants to change his name is because he wants to get as far away from the hickman family as possable... and the reason he piced his new name is because michael jackson has been his childhood idol and still is his idol ansd has been more of a father/idol/person to look up to then his dad could have ever been.

Lin, Webdesigner

...

About Me
Hi!!! My name is B.J. Hickman and I am from Knoxville, Tennessee. I am a major Michael Jackson Fanatic. I have moved to Santa Maria so I can support Michael and I will remain in SM until MJ is found Innocent and then I will move to Los Olivos so I can be closer to Neverland ranch. Michael is such a great person and he has helped so many people and what people do to him is sooo unfair and its not right!

Later on he changes his mind

pan6467 · 06-11-2005, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Astrocloud

More stuff on BJ Hickman... from his own website:

http://www.bjhickman.tk/

Later on he changes his mind

Website is down....

Again, is this guy truly that loyal to MJ or is this some 1/2 whacko 1/2 genius who saw an oppurtunity to become "Kato-like" famous for his 15 minutes make a shitload of money and get national attention????

My guess is the latter and the press is eating it up.

Redlemon · 06-13-2005, 12:24 PM

I'm just stopping in here to note that the verdict is due to be released, so I wanted to preserve the current standings before people vote knowing the verdict:

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I like Michael Jackson's music and I believe he is Innocent! 12 11.32%
I like Michael Jackson's music and I believe he is Guilty 38 35.85%
I don't like Michael Jackson's music and I believe he is Innocent 17 16.04%
I don't like Michael Jackson's music and I believe he is Guilty 30 28.30%
Michael Jackson who? 9 8.49%

Let's see how good the wisdom of the crowd can be...

Brewmaniac · 06-13-2005, 01:15 PM

Just in... Not Guilty! Freaky, Sick Bastard!

ShaniFaye · 06-13-2005, 01:17 PM

im sure someone will give more details...but here are the verdicts per count

1 not guilty
2 not guilty
3 not guilty
4 not guilty
5 not guilty
6 not guilty
7 not guilty
7 lesser offense not guilty
8 not guilty
8 lesser offense not guilty
9 not guilty
9 lesser offense not guilty
10 not guilty
10 lesser offense not guilty

pan6467 · 06-13-2005, 01:17 PM

Not guilty on any of the counts.

Money and fame have it's priveleges.

the_marq · 06-13-2005, 01:20 PM

Mom was a grifter.

Maybe he really was innocent.

Jinn · 06-13-2005, 01:33 PM

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

Innocent!!!

maleficent · 06-13-2005, 01:34 PM

The mother of the 'victim' was completely unbelievable...

While I think MJ is a child molester -- I do not beleive he was guilty in this case... and you can't be convicted for past behavior, only by the charges that were brought.

The jury made the right decision, good for t hem for seeing thru the freakishness...

akito · 06-13-2005, 01:35 PM

This greatly upsets me that he's found not guilty. I can't believe this shit.

MSD · 06-13-2005, 01:46 PM

It's comical to see people already disgusted that he was foudn not guilty. The jury had a lot more evidence than any of us did, and 12 people just decided that there wasn't enough evidence to prove that he did it. What makes your emotional reaction based on sensationalistic news reports intended to boost ratings any more credible than those of 12 people who agreed unanimously that he was not guilty based on 14 weeks of a trial?

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Originally Posted by Redlemon

I'm just stopping in here to note that the verdict is due to be released, so I wanted to preserve the current standings before people vote knowing the verdict:

Let's see how good the wisdom of the crowd can be...

Poll frozen at quoted results.

SecretMethod70 · 06-13-2005, 01:49 PM

For once, a jury voting based on proof. Believe he molests children or don't, but it was not even close to proven beyond a reasonable doubt in this case. i'm glad to see the jury decided based on that and not on preconceived notions.

Astrocloud · 06-13-2005, 01:52 PM

I was kinda looking forward to the riot police stomping through MJ's fans.

TheBrit · 06-13-2005, 02:01 PM

There was a documentary on the Jackson trial fans and riots last night on British TV, there are some very interesting characters including BJ.
I've not been following the trial at all and therefore can't say if I feel he's guilty or not, nothing to go on. Could someone explain the Sony implication to me?

anleja · 06-13-2005, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Astrocloud

I was kinda looking forward to the riot police stomping through MJ's fans.

haha, I as well. I'd love to see the ground littered with placards, such as this one, all trampled and bloody. I mean, it would be unfortunate. But still kinda neat.

getwonk'd · 06-13-2005, 07:27 PM

I didn't follow the trial at all. I did catch the verdict though (only because it interupted Dr. Phil and Oprah). I was totally shocked that he was found not guilty on all charges. I thought that he would be found guilty on something. I still believe he is guilty. Maybe not this time, but it will come out.

Shady · 06-13-2005, 08:08 PM

Did anybody see the video of Triumph the Insult Comic Dog interviewing all the crazy Michael Jackson fans? Pure comedy. You can view it here.

Squishor · 06-14-2005, 10:36 PM

BJ Hickman finally gets to stop yelling.

Astrocloud · 07-04-2005, 08:25 AM

So his 15 minutes are up.

He looks genuinely upset:

06-09-2005, 04:44 PM	#43 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	Oh, and as to the issue, while I don't personally have any Jackson albums, I think he was very talented. Now I think he's just messed up middle aged man who is passing on his sickness by molesting children. Send him to prison. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

06-09-2005, 05:10 PM	#44 (permalink)
TM875 Addict Location: Amish-land, PA	I need the option: "I'm indifferent to Michael Jackson's music and think he's innocent by reason of insanity." He needs to be institutionalized, not locked up. __________________ "I've made only one mistake in my life. But I made it over and over and over. That was saying 'yes' when I meant 'no'. Forgive me."

06-09-2005, 06:56 PM	#45 (permalink)
hotzot We're having potato pancakes! Location: stalag 13	I believe Mike is guilty, but I also believe he was set up. __________________ The Bully Boys are here!

06-09-2005, 07:34 PM	#46 (permalink)
KingOtter67 Upright	Anyone looking for more pictures of the larger fan, go check http://www.drudgereport.com. __________________ KingOtter You can't push on a rope.

06-10-2005, 06:14 AM	#50 (permalink)
avhg1 Insane Location: MD	He's a freak and the people standing out there are freaks too. I don't know if he did it or not, but I don't think he should go to jail for being strange. However, you would think after being accused of this before, he would stop having "sleep overs"! __________________ I shake the devil's hand daily... I'd do it hourly, but my hand gets tired.

View Poll Results: Do you listen to Michael Jackson's Music and do you think he is guilty?
I like Michael Jackson's music and I believe he is Innocent!	12	11.32%
I like Michael Jackson's music and I believe he is Guilty	38	35.85%
I don't like Michael Jackson's music and I believe he is Innocent	17	16.04%
I don't like Michael Jackson's music and I believe he is Guilty	30	28.30%
Michael Jackson who?	9	8.49%
Voters: 106. You may not vote on this poll

06-09-2005, 04:33 PM	#41 (permalink)
Coppertop Getting Medieval on your ass Location: 13th century Europe	In case anyone is interested, below is a link to some information about worldwide age of consent laws. http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm

06-10-2005, 06:08 AM	#49 (permalink)
cellophanedeity Heliotrope Location: A warm room	I think that Micheal Jackson used to be talented, but that the obvious psychological problems he suffers from have hindered that talent. I hope he is tried justly, and I have no idea if he's guilty or not. I don't watch or read the reports on the trial because I don't find it interesting. There are much more important things to worry about than Micheal Jackson sleeping with a kid. To be honest, I'd like child services to be brought in after the case and save the kid from his bad parents. Why would any decent parent allow their child to sleep in the same room with a (creepy) forty year old, who has previously been accused of molesting a young boy? I'd never ever sacrifice a kid for millions, and I think anyone who would knowingly allow their child to enter that sort of risk should be tried themselves.

06-10-2005, 08:39 AM	#52 (permalink)
Squishor Frontal Lobe Location: California	I have to admit to taking a sick sort of interest in the whole thing. It's purely just for the freakshow aspect of it. I admit it's not very healthy or enlightened of me but I just can't help it. I couldn't care less about normal celebrities.

06-10-2005, 11:36 AM	#53 (permalink)
Astrocloud Apocalypse Nerd	The face has a name "BJ Hickman". Mtv reports that he quit his job so that he can protest full time.

06-10-2005, 02:06 PM	#56 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	I love how he has the same expression in all the pictures. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

06-13-2005, 01:15 PM	#63 (permalink)
Brewmaniac Searching for the perfect brew!	Just in... Not Guilty! Freaky, Sick Bastard! __________________ "That's a joke... I say, that's a joke, son"

06-13-2005, 01:17 PM	#64 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	im sure someone will give more details...but here are the verdicts per count 1 not guilty 2 not guilty 3 not guilty 4 not guilty 5 not guilty 6 not guilty 7 not guilty 7 lesser offense not guilty 8 not guilty 8 lesser offense not guilty 9 not guilty 9 lesser offense not guilty 10 not guilty 10 lesser offense not guilty __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

06-13-2005, 01:17 PM	#65 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	Not guilty on any of the counts. Money and fame have it's priveleges. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

06-13-2005, 01:20 PM	#66 (permalink)
the_marq All hail the Mountain King Location: Black Mesa	Mom was a grifter. Maybe he really was innocent. __________________ The Truth: Johnny Cash could have kicked Bruce Lee's ass if he wanted to. #3 in a series

06-13-2005, 01:33 PM	#67 (permalink)
Jinn Lover - Protector - Teacher Location: Seattle, WA	AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! Innocent!!! __________________ "I'm typing on a computer of science, which is being sent by science wires to a little science server where you can access it. I'm not typing on a computer of philosophy or religion or whatever other thing you think can be used to understand the universe because they're a poor substitute in the role of understanding the universe which exists independent from ourselves." - Willravel

06-13-2005, 01:34 PM	#68 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	The mother of the 'victim' was completely unbelievable... While I think MJ is a child molester -- I do not beleive he was guilty in this case... and you can't be convicted for past behavior, only by the charges that were brought. The jury made the right decision, good for t hem for seeing thru the freakishness... __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.

06-13-2005, 01:35 PM	#69 (permalink)
akito Insane Location: Colorado	This greatly upsets me that he's found not guilty. I can't believe this shit.

06-13-2005, 01:49 PM	#71 (permalink)
SecretMethod70 Human Administrator Location: Chicago	For once, a jury voting based on proof. Believe he molests children or don't, but it was not even close to proven beyond a reasonable doubt in this case. i'm glad to see the jury decided based on that and not on preconceived notions. __________________ Le temps détruit tout "Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling

06-13-2005, 01:52 PM	#72 (permalink)
Astrocloud Apocalypse Nerd	I was kinda looking forward to the riot police stomping through MJ's fans.

06-13-2005, 02:01 PM	#73 (permalink)
TheBrit Psycho	There was a documentary on the Jackson trial fans and riots last night on British TV, there are some very interesting characters including BJ. I've not been following the trial at all and therefore can't say if I feel he's guilty or not, nothing to go on. Could someone explain the Sony implication to me?

06-13-2005, 07:27 PM	#75 (permalink)
getwonk'd Tilted Location: Central Wisconsin	I didn't follow the trial at all. I did catch the verdict though (only because it interupted Dr. Phil and Oprah). I was totally shocked that he was found not guilty on all charges. I thought that he would be found guilty on something. I still believe he is guilty. Maybe not this time, but it will come out.

06-13-2005, 08:08 PM	#76 (permalink)
Shady Tilted Location: Ohio	Did anybody see the video of Triumph the Insult Comic Dog interviewing all the crazy Michael Jackson fans? Pure comedy. You can view it here. __________________ Only Dre can judge me for the mistakes I'm makin, if I'm fakin I'm Clay Aiken.

06-14-2005, 10:36 PM	#77 (permalink)
Squishor Frontal Lobe Location: California	BJ Hickman finally gets to stop yelling.

07-04-2005, 08:25 AM	#78 (permalink)
Astrocloud Apocalypse Nerd	So his 15 minutes are up. He looks genuinely upset: