05-13-2005, 06:26 AM | #41 (permalink) | |
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I personally know one of them. She was playing IN HER OWN BACK YARD when the pit bull from next door got out and came into her yard. She was horribly mauled on the face and has since required several plastic surgeries. But she'll never be the same. As I recall, at least one other case did not involve a family pet or doing "something unsupervised". So while I am still on the fence regarding this particular law, I for one do NOT like pit bulls. This makes it difficult for me because our day care owner happens to have one (one of the "sweet" ones). Unfortunately, this particular breed has a track record of being more unstable than other breeds.
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05-13-2005, 06:43 AM | #42 (permalink) | |
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here's a website with some very interesting facts http://www.dogwatch.net/fight_ontari...ull_facts.html
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05-13-2005, 06:48 AM | #43 (permalink) |
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I'm sorry, but when they have to resort to listing off a bunch of celebrities that have owned pit bulls.... the arguement is lost... Who cares what kind of dog Rosie Perez has? Steve Irwin? He's the guy who held his baby a few inches from a crocodile? Yeah, that's role model.
Dog fighting may no longer be legal, but it absolutely does still go on and those dogs are still raised to be fighting dogs.
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05-13-2005, 07:15 AM | #44 (permalink) |
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Mal, whose fault is it that the dogs are raised to be fighting dogs?? It can be nobody's fault but the owners. Let's kill them while we're at it. After all they were the ones who trained them right? The fact that the ATT ranks them highly in the temperament tests year after year says plenty. They aren't timebombs waiting to go off, they don't attack for no reason, and they are generally good dogs. A few bad ones shouldn't condemn the whole breed. I don't own a Pit and I probably never will simply because it's not the right breed for me. That doesn't mean I'm scared of them. It wasn't long ago when everyone thought the Doberman was the worst dog in the world yet it is one of the most easily trained dogs, and one of the best service dogs. I think that if people actually knew what the fuck a pit bull was, the number of bites reported would go down. Many people assume a stocky dog is a pit, WRONG. I'd also be willing to bet that if all bites were reported you'd see shocking numbers as to which breeds were more apt to bite. I have a feeling you'd find the pit towards the bottom of the list.
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05-13-2005, 07:24 AM | #45 (permalink) |
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Then whomever came up with that list should sort it by priorities the fact that an idiot celebrity has a dog shoudl not be higher on the list.
I do not like pit bulls, I have no use for them at all, destroy them all, I really don't care, if people were actually responsible dog owners, which I'll bet 99 percent are not, they are just lucky, then I might be convinced the breed is worth saving, until then.. I don't care.
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05-13-2005, 08:41 AM | #48 (permalink) | |
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05-13-2005, 08:51 AM | #50 (permalink) | |
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05-13-2005, 09:05 AM | #51 (permalink) | |
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because ignorant, abusive, fucks train them to fight. I can train a poodle to fight if I wanted to. This isn't a breed issue, it's a human stupidity issue. |
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05-13-2005, 07:12 PM | #52 (permalink) |
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From my experience (and I like dogs), the owners that usually get the fighting breeds are... not the most social people. They are the type of people that want a psychotic animal because they have nothing in themselves - no backbone.
I have met many pit bulls, rotties, etc. that have mainly the characteristics of overgrown babies. But that is only my experience.
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05-14-2005, 05:30 AM | #54 (permalink) | |
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only scary ass dog for me is a german shepard... and thats the kind of dog i like.
My cousin has a rotty. its over a year old i can pick it up slam it down and hold it by its throat if i felt like i wanted to and it would just lay there. it barks and growls at ppl it dosent know. but dont almost all dogs do that?
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THAT is PROBABLY how he was brought up. i think he is a role model, because of that. He is willing to subject his daughter close to these animals so she gets use to them and does not fear then like society makes us fear them
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05-18-2005, 10:42 AM | #56 (permalink) |
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OUCH in light of this discussion, things like this are very scary:
This just in from Yahoo news: my link is password encrypted, so i have to find a way to post it. the text follows: Pit bull kills West Virginia toddler; finally beaten off with fire extinguisher HUNTINGTON, W.Va. (AP) - A pit bull that had bitten a person once before fatally mauled a toddler before being subdued by firefighters using a fire extinguisher, officials said. The girl, who was two or three years old, was pronounced dead at a hospital following the attack Tuesday at the dog owner's home, police Sgt. Dan Underwood said. Her name was not released. "The girl, her mother and at least two other people were apparently hanging out on the house's porch," Underwood said. "The homeowner apparently told them all to stay out of the house where the dog was." It was not known what provoked the dog. Huntington firefighter Jason Price said the dog was wild-eyed and the hair on the back of its neck was raised, and that it rammed the door like a bull. "Hollywood couldn't have made this dog look more evil," he said. The pit bull's owner, who was not identified, had posted several "beware of dog" signs and was keeping the dog inside the house because it had previously bitten another person, said Debbie Young, office manager for Huntington-Cabell-Wayne Animal Control. "A lot of people are under the impression that once they put those warning signs, they are in the clear. . . . (But) they are responsible for that animal," Young said. Young said animal control officials will ask a judge to order that the dog be destroyed |
05-18-2005, 02:20 PM | #57 (permalink) |
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this law makes me sick and Mel, much as I love ya, you're comments make me a little sick as well. I see where you're coming from, but that still doesn't mean you're justified in assuming ALL rotties or pits are dangerous because of ONE incident.
If a rottie was allowed you jump into your backyard, then the owners were irresponsible. Just because three children are safe around a dog does not mean a stranger (you) would be safe as well. Many dogs won't attack children, but are perfectly willing to attack adults. And if the dog was raised around the children, then they're part of his "pack." Now, on to the breeding/genetics aspect of pitbulls in particular. Yes, they were bred to fight...BULLS. They were also bred equally NOT to attack humans, to infact be loving to their owners. this friendliness towards people was held just as high as their physical ability, so you can't say they were breed to just kill. That's not true. And psychotic is a bit strong, jwoody. they are not psychotic. They are doing what their owners train them to do, kill each other. The only ones we hear about are the dangerous ones (usually kept on a chain outside and never properly socialized with people and other dogs), we don't hear about the thousands more that live safe and happy lives as family dogs. You people who are generalizing that all pitbulls or rotties or dobermans are "psychotic" are just plain wrong. They're doing what we've breed and trained them to do. That is all. We have to take responsibility for what we've let these animals become. Licensing dog breeders and owners is definitely a start. We need to watch the PEOPLE who own the dangerous dogs, not the dogs who share genetics with them. And if you had a pack of vicious pugs attack you, yeah, they could do as much damage as a pitbull. And a single lab could do it EASY. I've been mauled by more labs (working at an animal shelter for the Portland, OR area) than pitbulls. I would rather walk into a kennel with a 100 lb pitbull I didn't know that an 80 lb male, unnuetered lab, thank you very much. Another note. The Center for Disease Control did a study of all serious dog bites in the country over the past few decades, and found that breed was NOT a factor. Sex was a factor (with un-nuetered males biting the most) and whether the dogs was tied up (dogs tied up are more likely to bite, because they're defending their territory). The reason we see so many pitbull attacks is 1) they're a VERY popular breed these days, and 2) a lot of dogs that aren't pitbulls are labeled that way initially, and by the time someone figures out what it really was, no one is paying attention. Ban the deed, not the breed.
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05-18-2005, 02:30 PM | #58 (permalink) |
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..reading that literally made me ill..
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05-18-2005, 06:25 PM | #59 (permalink) |
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I love dogs.
For many years I have read news about pit bulls attacking. While it is usually the owners fault for making them aggressive or failing to control them, pit bulls seem to be more prone to attacking than other breeds. When they do attack, they also cause more damage. Truthfully I am tired of hearing about children being attacked and feel that while the breed may not be fully at fault, that the stigma requires action. I believe that if they put an insurance requirement and a kennel/leash requirement on them with a sizeable fine the owners will make the effort to maintain control of their "pets".
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