02-01-2005, 10:48 PM | #1 (permalink) | |
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Women told, 'Work in Brothel, Or Else"
I found this very interesting.
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Now that is a weird combination of laws.
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02-01-2005, 11:00 PM | #2 (permalink) |
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That is government supported rape. I mean "WHAT THE FUCK?"
Go into the sex industry or lose unemployment? I see a lot of women emmigrating from Germany in the next few years, because that is just fucked up. Either that or they're going to have to change that law. Prostitution may not be wrong, but forcing women into it is. Although after reading it a little more closely, I'm wondering why this is only becoming a problem now, if it's been in effect for two years?
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02-02-2005, 01:04 AM | #3 (permalink) |
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ouch. i agree, i have no problems with prostitution if the woman (or man) chooses to be involved with it. however, forcing someone is a totally different thing. while i have no objections to legalized prostitution, i respect that others do (for whatever reasons).
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02-02-2005, 02:10 AM | #4 (permalink) |
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They need to be out of work for a year or more before they need to take any job offered. If they've been out of work for a year or more chances are good that they haven't been looking at all, and are just sucking up the free money. This article could just as easily read "women told, "work at burger king, or else". If they don't want to work in the sex industry they could try to find another job, or just not take money from the government. No one is forcing them to take the money from the government.
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02-02-2005, 06:38 AM | #5 (permalink) |
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The brothels and businesses in the sex industry are really expoliting this loophoop in more ways than one. Job Centers that refuse to help the brothels recruit are aslo being sued for discrimination and stuff. It is really creating a big mess in Germany. I would imagine that the government will admend the laws before this gets too out of hand.
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02-02-2005, 06:45 AM | #7 (permalink) |
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I had the impression the authorities are looking at ways to fix this, not that they support the idea that women should be forced into the sex industry. I'm sure that would be considered an outrage over there just as it is here. They just need to exclude that type of work from the requirement, that's all.
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02-02-2005, 07:02 AM | #8 (permalink) | |
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02-02-2005, 07:08 AM | #9 (permalink) |
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Wow, talk about the law of unintended consequences...
It does sound like the government wanted to avoid this in the first place (wanting to exempt brothels from the rule), and are now having to figure out a way to remedy this. It'll be interesting to see what they come up with.
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02-02-2005, 07:22 AM | #10 (permalink) | |
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The german "Arbeitsamt" (job center) does not offer jobs as prostitutes. Leagally it coud do so, but AFAIK the centers agreed not to do it.
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02-02-2005, 01:25 PM | #13 (permalink) |
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There is no way any women are actually going to get forced into prostitution by the government if they aren't willing to do that kind of 'work,' it may help rid the German unemployment payrolls of a few leeches though. I bet lots of women will take other undersirable jobs now that they are being threatened with losing benefits or selling their bodies. Makes flipping burgers awfully enticing...
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02-02-2005, 01:36 PM | #14 (permalink) |
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While I agree that it sounds like the woman in question was being solicited as a prostitute, it doesn't actually say that anywhere. I think it would be pretty amusing if after all the fuss and worldwide news stories we find out that they wanted to hire her as a receptionist, or housekeeper, or bartender, etc.
Would that circumstance change your opinion? We all seem to more or less agree that it would be unconscionable to force some woman to become a prostitute. Suppose though, that she was not performing sexual functions. If her only objection was on the grounds that she was morally opposed to prostitution, would that justify her remaining on the unemployment roster?
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02-02-2005, 01:47 PM | #15 (permalink) | |
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I don't know all the details but yeah I suppose if she is morally against it she should just take the hit without the unemployement. If you are willing to leech off the government you have to play by their rules. Period. |
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02-02-2005, 01:49 PM | #16 (permalink) |
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Ooohhh just thought of something else. What if all available jobs were in the military or something. Let's say you put in your profile you wouldn't be adverse to working outside and on assignment for several months at a time. Could the government "draft" you in that manner?
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02-02-2005, 03:03 PM | #17 (permalink) | |
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Furthermore, they also get paid for stripping and flashing on the street as well. |
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02-03-2005, 08:31 AM | #18 (permalink) | ||
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Hamburg Reeperbahn? or Herbertstraße? Quote:
Let me repeat, there is currently no german woman that has been forced by the goverment to work as prostitute. The article above is a gross exaggeration
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02-03-2005, 10:10 AM | #20 (permalink) |
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Definitely rape. I see a clause being made somewhere pertaining to this, otherwise Germany is going to start slipping into an anti-humanitarian reputation.
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02-03-2005, 03:32 PM | #23 (permalink) |
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You know this is one of those stories based upon entirely conjectural situations that come about because of a silly law or, in this case, unforeseen hypothetical circumstances that probably have no basis in fact.
I invite you to go to http://www.legal-forms-kit.com/legal...dumb-laws.html for some American examples. Tell you what! Why don't I write an "Internet scoop" news article on how poor factory workers in South Dakota face jail for lying down and falling asleep. That is, if they work in a cheese factory. I wonder how much journalistic kudos I'll get for that possibly Pulitzer Prize winning story? Sheesh.... Mr Mephisto |
02-03-2005, 04:39 PM | #26 (permalink) |
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this sounds a bit sketch.... but im always hesitant from sources im not used too. especially internet based sources...
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02-04-2005, 12:21 AM | #27 (permalink) | |
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Deegendorf is small town in bavaria, I don't think that there are so many prostitutes?
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02-04-2005, 11:48 AM | #28 (permalink) |
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Look Pacifier I swear to you that there were prostitutes everywhere when I was in many parts of Europe INCLUDING bavaria. It sounds like you are trying to prove me wrong or something. Do I need to show you my passport stamps?? This is getting kinda of ridiculous.
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02-04-2005, 12:30 PM | #29 (permalink) |
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I'm just amazed. I live here, and i don't see prostitutes at every street corner.
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02-04-2005, 12:48 PM | #30 (permalink) |
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Hmm.
Nikki, did you negotiate prices? Pacifier, have you tried propositioning random ladies on the street? I mean, how can you really know! =)
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02-04-2005, 02:14 PM | #31 (permalink) |
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My boyfriend (at the time) was approached by a lot of the women. Some of the woman were just regular looking and we had no idea until we would talk to them. Of course many of them spoke English well. I was approached a couple of times while we were in Hamburg and I was actually quite flattered. The woman that call themselves prostitutes that I saw there were actually very attractive. Of course I did not participate in such behavior
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02-05-2005, 11:10 AM | #32 (permalink) | ||
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They should use tatoos to label them! Maybe a letter, on their forehead? Quote:
While I don't agree with what happened, there is some justification for it. If unemployment is intended as an absolute last resort for people who would otherwise be destitute, if someone of their own free will chooses not to support themselves in a legal manner, withdrawl of unemployment may be justified. Remember, the "lose EI if you don't take a job" rule kicks in after 1 year of unemployment in Germany. How long does US unemployment last? Is it worse to say "there is no way for you to get money, no matter what" than to say "you can get money, if there is no other way for you to get money"? In the USA, that lady would not have any benefits at all, even if nobody had a job for her.
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02-05-2005, 11:24 PM | #33 (permalink) |
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It's a simple choice. You take the job we have for you, or you don't get UNEMPLOYMENT anymore. These are women without a job for OVER A YEAR. That's a long time. It may be a crappy alternative, but so's being destitute. And I don't even understand the rape thing- you do this work, we pay you... you don't do it, we don't pay you. There's no force or coercion anywhere in there. They have to decide if it's worth it, if they've turned down all the other options.
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02-07-2005, 08:29 AM | #34 (permalink) |
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To tell a woman that she will lose unemployment benefits and she must sell her cooch is sick.
"In the case of women, females below the age of 55 who have been out of work for a year or more must take any available job offered." "Only after the young woman called to inquire about the job did she learn the employer was a brothel. When she refused the position, she was threatened with cuts to her unemployment benefits." "Centers that do not penalize job seekers who refuse offered positions are subject to lawsuits by the employers." How is that not coersion? |
02-07-2005, 09:47 AM | #35 (permalink) |
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That is wrong. How can the government do that to a person. I would hope that the German government would get some sense soon. Do they want to increase business at brothels and create more disease. What about unemployed guys? Is it the same for them there??
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02-07-2005, 10:44 AM | #36 (permalink) |
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Astrahl, if the government simply cut unemployment benefits to everyone after 1 year, would that be better or worse?
I don't know. =/ I do know that most people are reacting to this on a very emotional level.
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02-07-2005, 09:14 PM | #37 (permalink) |
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You're all missing the simple fact that this story has not been printed or published in any reliable news source. They took a hypothetical situation and blew it out of proportion.
Maybe I can put a simpler terms in a bigger font and bright colors This did not happen And once more in bigger, more eobnoxious letters so it can't be missed: This aritlce is a lie This article is a lie created to further WND's authors' personal crusade for absurd, antiquated sense of "morality." Some examples of articles that have been written by WND authors: -Creationism is real because the bible told me it is and the bible is never wrong because it's written in the thing that it's the word of God. -We're not running out of oil because it's really a renewable resource that coulnt' have been formed teh way scientists say it was because the universe has only been around for 6000 years. I'd also like to note that I've never seen an author on that site cite a source other than the bible or a Bush speech. Last edited by MSD; 02-07-2005 at 09:16 PM.. |
02-08-2005, 07:41 AM | #38 (permalink) | |
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I take your WND, and raise you a telegraph:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...30/wgerm30.xml Quote:
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02-08-2005, 05:01 PM | #39 (permalink) |
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it's false...
http://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/brothel.asp |
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