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Midnight_Son · 05-22-2003, 06:08 AM

I found this and thought it would be a nice little reality check for any tree-huggers that may be around here. others may find it interesting as well.
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dye
oxygen
piano keys
rayon - books
fishing floats - inks
telephone books
varnish - atlases and maps
price tags - ping pong balls
tires - umbrella handles -signs
automobile instrument panels
space craft reentry shields - newspaper
photographic film - newspapers - posters
football helmets - toilet seats - guitars
road building materials - insulation
shatterproof glass - artificial vanilla flavoring
cork - vacuum cleaner bags - movies - stadium seats
adhesives - decorations - turpentine - camphor - waxes
fireworks - crayons - tannin - charcoal - pine oil - pitch
musical instruments - perches for birds of prey - toilet paper
milk cartons - flooring - bark for landscaping - cardboard
grocery bags - furniture - chewing gum - paper towels
oil spill control agents - Christmas trees - hockey sticks
wildlife habitat - cosmetics - roofs - baby foods - cider - vitamins
cooking utensils - photographic film - lacquer - pallets - rubber gloves
mulch - clean water - golf tees - egg cartons - nail polish - fence posts - toys
toothpaste - eyeglass frames - syrup - antacids - shampoo - rubber gloves
menthol - electrical outlets - medicines - energy for electricity - plates and bowls
sausage casings - torula yeast - rulers - wooden blocks - houses - notebook paper - oars
plywood - paper plates - computer casings - stain remover - coffee filters - toothpicks
movie tickets - carpet and upholstery backsides - imitation bacon - diapers - horse corrals
postcards - tax forms - sponges - shade - particle board - shoe polish - luggage - bowling alley lanes
postage stamps - colognes - animal bedding - irrigation piping - fruit pie filling - golf balls - game boards
suspending agent for drinking soda - pencils - dry wall - baby cribs - baseball bats - lumber - decoys - kites
magazines -ice cream thickener - step ladders - birthday cards - broom sticks - cider - ceiling tiles
crutches - backyard play sets - axe handle - food labels - 2 x 4's - candy wrappers
scenery - party invitations - disinfectants - cd inserts - gummed tape - fruit
railroad ties - shelter belts - puzzles - swings - baking cups
buttons - cutting boards
benches - bird houses
stereo speakers
garden stakes
stairways - beds
tables - barrels
window frames
bulletin boards
linoleum - seesaws
fishing boats - billboards
disposable medical clothing
church pews - totem poles - desks

rogue49 · 05-22-2003, 06:23 AM

And that's an understatement.

rsl12 · 05-22-2003, 07:15 AM

if anything, the fact that wood is so useful is an argument for making sure that forests are managed sustainably (that is, so that they won't run out in the future). Even though cash is very useful, that doesn't mean you try to scrape every bit out of your bank account--you save some for the future.

warrrreagl · 05-22-2003, 07:19 AM

I know this is slightly off-subject, but I think it's cool and funny that Stanford has a person dressed up in a big tree suit for their sports mascot. They do a thing where he runs up and down the aisles and everybody hugs him. Get it?

Midnight_Son · 05-22-2003, 07:20 AM

I agree, but to many people, "Managed" means untouchable. if it was up to the "seirra club" types, we'd all be wipen' our asses with plastic or sheet metal. I perfer my Charmin.

ARTelevision · 05-22-2003, 07:23 AM

rsl12, right, but not at the expense of current human populations.
As with most things, it's a matter of degree. Fanatics of any stripe never get matters of degree very well.

rsl12 · 05-22-2003, 07:33 AM

Well, if you've got X amount of trees, and the resource increases at a very slow rate, and the demand for trees is constantly increasing (since the population continues to increase), does it make sense to keep hacking away at forests?

ART says we shouldn't sacrifice "at the expense of current human populations." But which would be better: to limit paper use now, and have prices rise 20%, or hack away for ten years and wait till the the price for paper goes to $6 a sheet?

(Side note: ever wonder why fish/shrimp is so expensive? When 25 years ago you could feed your family cocktail salads for nothing?)

Midnight_Son · 05-22-2003, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rsl12
Well, if you've got X amount of trees, and the resource increases at a very slow rate, and the demand for trees is constantly increasing (since the population continues to increase), does it make sense to keep hacking away at forests?

the industry isn't like it used to be, we replant what we cut down. and it's not hacking, it's providing you with the things you need to live.

Lebell · 05-22-2003, 09:35 AM

It's about sustainable harvesting and management of natural resources.

Some people will be shortsited (or just won't care) and will bleed the land/oceans dry while others see the wisdom behind not killing the goose that lays the golden egg.

If the former is overwhelming then the government has to step in for the greater good.

Smoky · 05-22-2003, 09:39 AM

I love trees, they're delicious!

er... wait, that's not right.

Midnight_Son · 05-22-2003, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Smoky
I love trees, they're delicious!

er... wait, that's not right.

actually, that IS right my friend....There are tree-based chemicals in many of our food and beverage products! Some of these chemicals are used as flavorings, while others keep the ingredients in food from separating. There's even a tree-based chemical that makes bubble gum chewier!

Cellulose, the material that makes up the walls of tree cells, is used as a food thickener in such tasty treats as snack food, milk shakes, ice cream, cake frosting, and pancake syrup!

so....ya man, they ARE delicious!

raeanna74 · 05-22-2003, 10:21 AM

Clear cutting isn't nearly as common anymore and most times when clera cutting is done there is a whole new forest replanted in it's place. Many of the items listed above (btw - phtographic film is listed twice) are items that can be made from recycled paper, ex. toilet paper, papertowels, grocery bags, etc. I don't see any problem in harvesting trees. I do think that any harvesting should be followed by replacement. I don't know where I heard it but I once heard that the Native Americans (Don't know where or what tribe) used to believe that you shouldn't take anything at all from nature without putting something back. Even if that wasn't true that I'd heard that it is still a good policy. Even those people who are "Christian" should remember that we were told to be good stewards of the earth. We need to use things that we find on the earth for our survival but we also need to do all we can to replace that or to encourage the continued growth. I have given many public speaches on conservation in Wisconsin with the DNR. I would not call myself a tree hugger though. I go hunting and fishing and it doesn't bother me to see logging being done. I hate poaching for the sake of chopping off the antlers just to show off. I hunt (with a license) and we use all of the meat, sometimes the legs, and the hide as well. Very little goes to waste and we only take what we need. It's all a matter of being responsible with what we have and do.

WhoaitsZ · 05-22-2003, 05:00 PM

okay, let's be a little rational.

yes, we need trees (cut down). they make life incredibly good. I am not going to say I'm a tree hugger and i'm not in PETA, But

like animals, there are types that will soon be extinct. never ever to come back. and also the ammount we are cutting down is disastrous.

oxygen, man. what would we do if we didn't have green trees/plants?

most (not all) "tree huggers" are crazy zealots..... but some people, i call us Conservationalists, want to make sure we leave something behind so we can say 'at least we didn't destroy all of this"....

i know a lot of people could care less, and i really do respect them... but we destroy EVERYTHING and some people really need to learn when Enough Is Enough.

i'm all for housing and all..... cut trees down. but please do the major hindsight planning before cutting.

WhoaitsZ · 05-22-2003, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ARTelevision
rsl12, right, but not at the expense of current human populations.
As with most things, it's a matter of degree. Fanatics of any stripe never get matters of degree very well.

well said, bud...

krwlz · 05-22-2003, 06:34 PM

Managed lumber could be clear cutting a few acres, then replanting, so that when they come through again, the wood is straight, and all the same size...makes it easy

05-22-2003, 06:08 AM	#1 (permalink)
Midnight_Son The Cover Doesn't Match The Book Location: in a van down by the river	stuff from trees I found this and thought it would be a nice little reality check for any tree-huggers that may be around here. others may find it interesting as well. ********************************* dye oxygen piano keys rayon - books fishing floats - inks telephone books varnish - atlases and maps price tags - ping pong balls tires - umbrella handles -signs automobile instrument panels space craft reentry shields - newspaper photographic film - newspapers - posters football helmets - toilet seats - guitars road building materials - insulation shatterproof glass - artificial vanilla flavoring cork - vacuum cleaner bags - movies - stadium seats adhesives - decorations - turpentine - camphor - waxes fireworks - crayons - tannin - charcoal - pine oil - pitch musical instruments - perches for birds of prey - toilet paper milk cartons - flooring - bark for landscaping - cardboard grocery bags - furniture - chewing gum - paper towels oil spill control agents - Christmas trees - hockey sticks wildlife habitat - cosmetics - roofs - baby foods - cider - vitamins cooking utensils - photographic film - lacquer - pallets - rubber gloves mulch - clean water - golf tees - egg cartons - nail polish - fence posts - toys toothpaste - eyeglass frames - syrup - antacids - shampoo - rubber gloves menthol - electrical outlets - medicines - energy for electricity - plates and bowls sausage casings - torula yeast - rulers - wooden blocks - houses - notebook paper - oars plywood - paper plates - computer casings - stain remover - coffee filters - toothpicks movie tickets - carpet and upholstery backsides - imitation bacon - diapers - horse corrals postcards - tax forms - sponges - shade - particle board - shoe polish - luggage - bowling alley lanes postage stamps - colognes - animal bedding - irrigation piping - fruit pie filling - golf balls - game boards suspending agent for drinking soda - pencils - dry wall - baby cribs - baseball bats - lumber - decoys - kites magazines -ice cream thickener - step ladders - birthday cards - broom sticks - cider - ceiling tiles crutches - backyard play sets - axe handle - food labels - 2 x 4's - candy wrappers scenery - party invitations - disinfectants - cd inserts - gummed tape - fruit railroad ties - shelter belts - puzzles - swings - baking cups buttons - cutting boards benches - bird houses stereo speakers garden stakes stairways - beds tables - barrels window frames bulletin boards linoleum - seesaws fishing boats - billboards disposable medical clothing church pews - totem poles - desks __________________ SWM, tattooed, seeks meaningful tits and beer. Enjoys biker mags, pornography, and Sunday morning walks to the liquor store. Winners of erotic hot dog eating contests given priority.**

05-22-2003, 07:15 AM	#3 (permalink)
rsl12 On the lam Location: northern va	if anything, the fact that wood is so useful is an argument for making sure that forests are managed sustainably (that is, so that they won't run out in the future). Even though cash is very useful, that doesn't mean you try to scrape every bit out of your bank account--you save some for the future. __________________ oh baby oh baby, i like gravy.

05-22-2003, 07:19 AM	#4 (permalink)
warrrreagl pinche vato Location: backwater, Third World, land of cotton	I know this is slightly off-subject, but I think it's cool and funny that Stanford has a person dressed up in a big tree suit for their sports mascot. They do a thing where he runs up and down the aisles and everybody hugs him. Get it? __________________ Living is easy with eyes closed.

05-22-2003, 07:20 AM	#5 (permalink)
Midnight_Son The Cover Doesn't Match The Book Location: in a van down by the river	I agree, but to many people, "Managed" means untouchable. if it was up to the "seirra club" types, we'd all be wipen' our asses with plastic or sheet metal. I perfer my Charmin. __________________ SWM, tattooed, seeks meaningful tits and beer. Enjoys biker mags, pornography, and Sunday morning walks to the liquor store. Winners of erotic hot dog eating contests given priority.

05-22-2003, 07:23 AM	#6 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	rsl12, right, but not at the expense of current human populations. As with most things, it's a matter of degree. Fanatics of any stripe never get matters of degree very well. __________________ create evolution

05-22-2003, 06:23 AM	#2 (permalink)
rogue49 Loser	And that's an understatement.

05-22-2003, 07:33 AM	#7 (permalink)
rsl12 On the lam Location: northern va	Well, if you've got X amount of trees, and the resource increases at a very slow rate, and the demand for trees is constantly increasing (since the population continues to increase), does it make sense to keep hacking away at forests? ART says we shouldn't sacrifice "at the expense of current human populations." But which would be better: to limit paper use now, and have prices rise 20%, or hack away for ten years and wait till the the price for paper goes to $6 a sheet? (Side note: ever wonder why fish/shrimp is so expensive? When 25 years ago you could feed your family cocktail salads for nothing?) __________________ oh baby oh baby, i like gravy. Last edited by rsl12; 05-22-2003 at 07:35 AM..

05-22-2003, 09:35 AM	#9 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	It's about sustainable harvesting and management of natural resources. Some people will be shortsited (or just won't care) and will bleed the land/oceans dry while others see the wisdom behind not killing the goose that lays the golden egg. If the former is overwhelming then the government has to step in for the greater good. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

05-22-2003, 09:39 AM	#10 (permalink)
Smoky Crazy	I love trees, they're delicious! er... wait, that's not right. __________________ It's a long way up when you're six feet under.

05-22-2003, 10:21 AM	#12 (permalink)
raeanna74 I'm not a blonde! I'm knot! I'm knot! I'm knot! Location: Upper Michigan	Clear cutting isn't nearly as common anymore and most times when clera cutting is done there is a whole new forest replanted in it's place. Many of the items listed above (btw - phtographic film is listed twice) are items that can be made from recycled paper, ex. toilet paper, papertowels, grocery bags, etc. I don't see any problem in harvesting trees. I do think that any harvesting should be followed by replacement. I don't know where I heard it but I once heard that the Native Americans (Don't know where or what tribe) used to believe that you shouldn't take anything at all from nature without putting something back. Even if that wasn't true that I'd heard that it is still a good policy. Even those people who are "Christian" should remember that we were told to be good stewards of the earth. We need to use things that we find on the earth for our survival but we also need to do all we can to replace that or to encourage the continued growth. I have given many public speaches on conservation in Wisconsin with the DNR. I would not call myself a tree hugger though. I go hunting and fishing and it doesn't bother me to see logging being done. I hate poaching for the sake of chopping off the antlers just to show off. I hunt (with a license) and we use all of the meat, sometimes the legs, and the hide as well. Very little goes to waste and we only take what we need. It's all a matter of being responsible with what we have and do. __________________ "Always learn the rules so that you can break them properly." Dalai Lama My Karma just ran over your Dogma.

05-22-2003, 05:00 PM	#13 (permalink)
WhoaitsZ Crazy Location: right behind you...	okay, let's be a little rational. yes, we need trees (cut down). they make life incredibly good. I am not going to say I'm a tree hugger and i'm not in PETA, But like animals, there are types that will soon be extinct. never ever to come back. and also the ammount we are cutting down is disastrous. oxygen, man. what would we do if we didn't have green trees/plants? most (not all) "tree huggers" are crazy zealots..... but some people, i call us Conservationalists, want to make sure we leave something behind so we can say 'at least we didn't destroy all of this".... i know a lot of people could care less, and i really do respect them... but we destroy EVERYTHING and some people really need to learn when Enough Is Enough. i'm all for housing and all..... cut trees down. but please do the major hindsight planning before cutting.

05-22-2003, 06:34 PM	#15 (permalink)
krwlz Fledgling Dead Head Location: Clarkson U.	Managed lumber could be clear cutting a few acres, then replanting, so that when they come through again, the wood is straight, and all the same size...makes it easy