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Old 11-03-2004, 08:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Jury debates over Scott Peterson’s fate…and finds him guilty

So the trial for the “husband from hell” is just about over. With the closing arguments complete, now we all have to wait for the jury to deliberate.

How does everyone feel about this case? Do you think he’ll walk or get what he deserves? Also – I’ve been told that the judge is only going to give a 2-hour notice once the jury has reached its verdict. We do have a cable TV in the lounge area here at work, so I’ve been setting it to Court TV to try and keep up-to-date. I even noticed on their website that you can get the verdict sent to your cell phone, which is pretty crazy (though I’m the only one of my friends without one yet!)

Personally, there’s nothing I’d rather see than a death sentence for this disgusting human, though life in prison wouldn’t be a bad 2nd option either.

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Old 11-03-2004, 08:40 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I don't want to distract too much from your discussion, but I don't think that this case ever had a rightful place in the national news. Murder happens all the time, we just pay attention to it when it's like a soap opera. There are so many important things that could have been covered, but across major networks the hours of wasted coverage probably add up to years by now.

Additionally, thanks to the media coverage, there's no way that anyone who ever watches TV could be a perfectly fair and impartial juror.
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Old 11-03-2004, 10:01 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I must admit to knowing nothing about the case, but it is good to see you have decided to do away with that excessive jury thing. Let's make everything trial by media.
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Old 11-03-2004, 10:17 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I've heard nothing about this case, I don't watch TV as much as I'd like to just sit around and relax
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Old 11-04-2004, 05:54 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I find that unless I'm sitting in the jury box, my opinion on specific ongoing trial cases is useless.
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Old 11-04-2004, 05:57 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I honestly can't figure out why this case has gotten so much attention, it was a made for tv movie, has gotten more than one cover of People magazine, and has gotten national attention. The guy who did the same thing in Utah, hasn't gotten near the amount of attention.

Husbands murder their wives everyday, what made this case so special?
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Old 11-04-2004, 06:15 AM   #8 (permalink)
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and wives killing their husbands, and people killing their kids get attention too

I think it got so much attention because she was missing for so long before they found her. A missing person's case...specially a woman 2 months away from giving birth...gets a lot of attention....

so naturally when it comes out scott was having an affair and then she turned up dead the public is going to follow the case

there are lots of cases that get attention like this...Lori Hacking, Pamela Smart, Susan Smith, the military guy Jeffrey MacDonald (book was Fatal Vision), Diane Downs (book was Small Sacrifices)...the list goes on and on
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Old 11-04-2004, 06:33 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I'm going against the trend here.. I don't think he did it. Yes I said it. I don't think he's guilty of murder. There just isn't enough (from what I've seen) that would convince me that he did it. Sure he's a terrible husband and a liar, but I just don't think he murdered Lacy.
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Old 11-04-2004, 06:48 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I think it got so much attention because she was missing for so long before they found her. A missing person's case...specially a woman 2 months away from giving birth...gets a lot of attention....
Personally, I think it got so much initial attention because Lacy's smile was so damned hypnotic. I believe the natural subconcious reaction to her photos was, "Damn, how could anybody hurt such a beautiful smile?"
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Old 11-04-2004, 07:01 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Why did this case get so much attention? They're beautiful people. Plain and simple. Yeah, she was missing for months and was pregnant, which did give lots of attention to the case. But here in Albany, NY a woman, Cassie Kindlon went missing after a fight with her boyfriend. The boyfriend had a histroy of being abusive towards her. Cassie was 19, and had 2 young children. Why didn't this case get national coverage?

She wasn't a beauty. She was of mixed race, her boyfriend was black.

She went missing in May and her body was found a little less than a month ago. It's sick that the media will fixate on certian cases, while others go unoticed.
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Old 11-04-2004, 07:10 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I think Averett's right. Cause seriously: Lacy was cute. And if I were a female, I would definitely be attracted to Scott.

On a more serious note, I hope the jury does the right thing and decides objectively, not based on their emotions. From what I understand of the case, they did not prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. I think he's probably guilty, but I would not find a person guilty if I didn't know for sure. The media really killed his chances of a fair trial though.
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I agree with what most have said already. I'm not sure why this case has received more attention than say the case Averett is referring to. I do think he won't receive a fair trial and if he did do it, I think he will get off. Media imo has much to blame for that.
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Old 11-04-2004, 07:41 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I agree with what most have said already. I'm not sure why this case has received more attention than say the case Averett is referring to. I do think he won't receive a fair trial and if he did do it, I think he will get off. Media imo has much to blame for that.
I think just the opposite. The media determined his guilt before a jury was even chosen, and they made sure everyone knew that they felt he was guilty.
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Old 11-04-2004, 04:43 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I live in the Bay Area and am sick of all the media attention it is getting. Were she not white this wouldn't even be known outside of where it happened.

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Old 11-04-2004, 04:47 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Also: what really pissed me off about this was when the Palo Alto Daily News ran an article where readers could enter a contest to pick the jury from the jury pool. Whoever was closest to the actual jury selected won some prize or something. Probably a lifetime subscription to the Enquirer. Damn sensationalism. I sent them a scolding email and have not read that paper since.
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Old 11-04-2004, 04:49 PM   #17 (permalink)
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He did it. If he was a true fisherman he would know, when asked what he was fishing for. Yet he was researching the currents in SF bay. Good fisherman learn what the currents can do and how they affect where the fish are. But they know what type of fish they are fishing for!!
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Old 11-04-2004, 04:50 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I find that unless I'm sitting in the jury box, my opinion on specific ongoing trial cases is useless.
Amen to that. Too many people are so quick to judge without the facts it is sad. Says volumes about this scoiety we live in.
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Old 11-04-2004, 04:55 PM   #19 (permalink)
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He did it. If he was a true fisherman he would know, when asked what he was fishing for. Yet he was researching the currents in SF bay. Good fisherman learn what the currents can do and how they affect where the fish are. But they know what type of fish they are fishing for!!
He might be a stupid fisherman
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Old 11-05-2004, 02:10 AM   #20 (permalink)
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just thought I'd point out that "reasonable doubt" does not mean "beyond a shadow of a doubt". These people get crucified in the media, and if it starts before voir dire (jury selection), it is possible to contaminate the pool, but more often than not on the case-of-the-moment the jury gets sequestered and doesn't see the media stuff anyway.
Though mistakes do happen, it is important to note:
74% of crimes do not result in arrest
76% of charges filed are dropped or taken to juvenile court
22% of charges go to trial
thus only 14 of 1,000 crimes actually go to trial
These people are not just chosen randomly, they are more often than not guilty, so assuming guilt as a person who is not actually assigned to determine the guilt is probably a safe bet. It's not cost-effective to frame people, wrongful prosecution is almost *always* a result of the prosecution believing incorrect witness testimony.
If a guy's wife disappears in the middle of a period of marriage conflict, statistically, he probably is a good first place to look.
going back to the "beyond the shadow of the doubt" fallacy that many people assume, it's not "prove that it was him and not someone who looked exactly like him", it's "what would a reasonable person infer from this situation?"
civil trials are even looser in regards to this, OJ is a good example.
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I understand this, however I have heard very little evidence against him that hasn't been debunked, aside for the evidence that he's a crappy person.
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Old 11-06-2004, 09:18 AM   #22 (permalink)
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i understand that the govmt of cali will spend millions on the prosecution of this guy ( who could be and probbaly will be found guilty) they spent 22 weeks "proving" there case. HA 22 weeks... what did they have almost 200 wittnesses... unbelivable the judicial system of this great county is royally fucked up.. if this was just poor family or "normal" people wich they seem to have been befor the dissapearance this disgrace would never have happened. my mind is still blown that has tuened into such a circus.
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Old 11-06-2004, 09:30 AM   #23 (permalink)
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I was in Cali at the start of this, and the way the prosecution behaved was inexcusible. Not giving evidence to the defense, etc. I'm surprised the judge didn't dismiss the case. So far, I haven't heard any actually evidence that Perterson murdered his wife. Like the defense attorney said, the prosecution did a great job proving that Perterson is an asshole, but not a murderer.
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Old 11-06-2004, 10:48 AM   #24 (permalink)
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just thought I'd point out that "reasonable doubt" does not mean "beyond a shadow of a doubt". These people get crucified in the media, and if it starts before voir dire (jury selection), it is possible to contaminate the pool, but more often than not on the case-of-the-moment the jury gets sequestered and doesn't see the media stuff anyway.
Though mistakes do happen, it is important to note:
74% of crimes do not result in arrest
76% of charges filed are dropped or taken to juvenile court
22% of charges go to trial
thus only 14 of 1,000 crimes actually go to trial
These people are not just chosen randomly, they are more often than not guilty, so assuming guilt as a person who is not actually assigned to determine the guilt is probably a safe bet. It's not cost-effective to frame people, wrongful prosecution is almost *always* a result of the prosecution believing incorrect witness testimony.
If a guy's wife disappears in the middle of a period of marriage conflict, statistically, he probably is a good first place to look.
going back to the "beyond the shadow of the doubt" fallacy that many people assume, it's not "prove that it was him and not someone who looked exactly like him", it's "what would a reasonable person infer from this situation?"
civil trials are even looser in regards to this, OJ is a good example.
This is all well and good, until it is you on trial.
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Old 11-06-2004, 01:51 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Like the defense attorney said, the prosecution did a great job proving that Perterson is an asshole, but not a murderer.
LMAO, did he really say that? In those words? That would be classic.
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Old 11-07-2004, 06:14 AM   #27 (permalink)
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ive been following this case in england yes we even know about it here courtsey of fox news, however been in england i proberly dont know as much information as you american guys but from what i do know and been a law student i think he will walk most of the evidence i have heard seems to be circumstantial with no real proof so i think at the end of the day it will be another oj simpson case.
however on saying that i think this guy is guilty as hell, hes too cool and smary about it all, he showed no hurt leading up to his arrest when laci was first missing infact for somebody facing the death penalty he looks as if he doesnt care what happens to him
by the way have they reached a verdict yet we have had no word over here
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Old 11-07-2004, 06:34 AM   #28 (permalink)
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A lot of this has been discussed already in this thread:

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...scott+peterson

My opinion can be summed up in three points:

1. Why do we care?
2. The media is once again exploiting your desire for drama instead of covering stories that matter
3. I'm a bit of a hypocrite. He probably did it.
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Old 11-07-2004, 06:46 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Old 11-07-2004, 08:07 AM   #30 (permalink)
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It seems like pretty much everyone here has already decided he did it... I dont know enough about the case to make a judgment. If he is guilty I hope he will get asuitable punishment, but I dont really favour the death penalty.
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Old 11-07-2004, 08:26 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Old 11-08-2004, 02:42 PM   #32 (permalink)
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i read today that the jury may NOT be able to come to a conclusion....mistrial?
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Old 11-08-2004, 06:58 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I hope he gets off.

It's funny the amount of people who label him as guilty, yet they don't realize that there really isn't anything linking him to the murders aside from his alibi, which really doesn't prove jack shit. None of the evidence shows he did it, not to mention they tested the boat and found it impossible to dump a 150+ lb body off the side without the boat tipping.

They brought up a theory that someone dumped the body there after he gave his alibi and it was slapped all over tv and newspapers.

As for him changing his appearance, I'd do the same fuckin thing if my wife disappeared and I went fishing to clear my head, then mysteriously the bodies are found in that exact spot later on. I'd flip the fuck out, because obviously people would think it's me. What else do you do? People panic in those situations and make stupid decisions.

It's not even a far fetched theory, either. They can't counter it at all.

Innocent till proven guilty, because when it's your turn to get tried (and you never know, it could happen to you), I'm sure you'd be thinking the same damn thing.
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I dunno, this story from CNN.com bothers me. What about anyone else?

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REDWOOD CITY, California (AP) -- In a sign of possible discord in the jury room, the judge in Scott Peterson's murder case lectured the panel Monday about the importance of deliberating with an open mind.

"Do not hesitate to change your opinion for the purpose of reaching a verdict if you can do so," Judge Alfred A. Delucchi said after summoning jurors to the courtroom just an hour-and-a-half after they resumed deliberations.

"The attitude and conduct of jurors at all times is very important," he added. "It is rarely helpful for a juror at the beginning of deliberations to express an emphatic opinion on the case."

The jurors listened with serious, even grim expressions before they were sent back into the jury room to deliberate.

It was not immediately clear what led to the judge's instructions, but trial observers speculated jurors are beginning to reach a deadlock.

"They're stuck," said Jim Hammer, a former prosecutor and trial regular. The judge "clearly has indications that they're beginning to hang."

Jurors, before retiring for the day, later asked to review numerous pieces of evidence, including an anchor found on Peterson's boat that prosecutors allege is similar to the ones he used to sink his wife's body, and transcripts and recordings of telephone calls between Peterson and his mistress, Amber Frey.

Jurors also requested information on a life insurance policy on Laci Peterson; a fishing license Peterson bought December 23; and a transcript of a police interview regarding Peterson's whereabouts the day his wife vanished.

Earlier Monday, Delucchi denied a defense motion for a mistrial after jurors examined the boat prosecutors claim Peterson used to dispose of his wife's body in San Francisco Bay.

Defense lawyer Mark Geragos claimed jurors violated the judge's orders by doing "a juror experiment" when several panelists got inside the boat and rocked it from side to side.

The defense has argued that it would have been nearly impossible for Peterson to have heaved his wife's 153-pound body over the edge of the boat without tipping.

As an alternative to a mistrial, Geragos asked the judge to show jurors a videotaped experiment performed by the defense apparently showing that the boat would have tipped. Delucchi denied the motion.

Peterson is charged with two counts of murder in the deaths of his wife, Laci, and the fetus she carried. Prosecutors claim Peterson killed Laci around December 24, 2002, then sunk her weighted body in the bay.

Defense lawyers claim someone else abducted Laci and killed her, then framed her husband.

The sequestered jury began deliberations Wednesday and recessed for the weekend. Jurors were monitored in a hotel where they could watch only sports and movies on television, and could use a computer without access to the Internet. They were forbidden from discussing the case.

Jurors have two choices should they decide to convict Peterson -- first- or second-degree murder. First-degree convictions, carrying the death penalty of life without parole, would mean jurors believe Peterson planned the killings in advance. Second-degree murder convictions don't require a finding of premeditation, and carry sentences of 15-years-to-life for each count.

Also Monday, the presiding judge of the courthouse ruled against media attorneys who were seeking to have cameras stationed about 40 feet down a hallway from the courtroom. Last week, Delucchi banned television and still cameras from the courtroom for the verdict, but said he would allow a live audio broadcast.
It seems to me that if a juror feels strongly that he should be found guilty or not guilty, that juror SHOULD stick to their guns - so long as they are openly explaining the reasons for their position to the other jurors and are listening intently to the other jurors' opinions. I favor a hung jury over a falsely unanimous jury any day.

Another thing that is bothersome to me is this deal with the boat. Alright, so the jury conducted their own "experiment." It shouldn't take a genius to point out that the jury is not exactly made up of people qualified to be conducting "experiments." But, hey, if you're gonna let them do that, I guess you're gonna let them do that. But it is bothersome to me that the judge would allow the jury to conduct their own experiment yet not allow them to see a similar experiment conducted by people with whom there is actually a basis for believing they know what they're doing - unlike the jury themselves.
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haha, the video "performed by the defense" is supposed to be more realistic? I would guess the juror's experiment was MUCH closer to the reality of the situation than any BS the defense put together. It's the same as OJ's bloody glove. Ridiculous.
Whenever any defense hangs together on some kind of huge conspiracy to frame a guy that is already acting suspicious as hell... at least OJ had the race card lend a shred of credence to it.
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Ah, I did misread the article the first time. I didn't notice the defense were the actual people performing the experiment in the video. Nonetheless, I see no reason - especially in a death penalty trial - to not allow it.
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Ah, I did misread the article the first time. I didn't notice the defense were the actual people performing the experiment in the video. Nonetheless, I see no reason - especially in a death penalty trial - to not allow it.

Independent researchers also performed experiments, but it wasn't allowed in court, either.

I also want to add that one further component of why this was catipulted into the national media seemed to be the links between lacie's pregnancy, the prosecutor's decision to charge scott with double murder (since we have an interesting criminal statute that defines unborn babies as persons), its implications for the broader social debate of abortion, and its timing--occurring when abortion issues were being pondered during Bush's presidency and discussing began about possible court appointees.
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Ah, I did misread the article the first time. I didn't notice the defense were the actual people performing the experiment in the video. Nonetheless, I see no reason - especially in a death penalty trial - to not allow it.
Yeah, that whole "not allowing" thing is ridiculous. How can you not allow it and just expect everyone to forget about it?

That'd be like finding pictures of the guy in the act of killing his wife, then telling people, "Ok, just ... don't use that. Use everything but that." Yeah, right
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Old 11-09-2004, 05:13 PM   #39 (permalink)
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I don't like the fact that this story has reached the media magnitude it has, but then again, I find myself curiously entertained my the entire situation. I have a close friend that lives a block from the Peterson house and I go down to Modesto quite often. I believe in Innocent before Guilty, but to me, the circumstantial evidence seems to be stacked against Scott. I have to say he is not only an asshole, but guilty as well. Fry the bastard!
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