CSflim

An important political advisor made this strongly argued claim on one of America's many highly informative tv shows:

A transcript of Cameron Diaz appearing on the Oprah Winfrey show:
Linky

Celebrities are funny.

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maleficent

Best celebrity quote I've ever seen --

"If you're listening to a rock star in order to get your information on who to vote for, you're a bigger moron than they are. Why are we rock stars? Because we're morons. We sleep all day, we play music at night and very rarely do we sit around reading the Washington Journal. Besides, when I read the list of people who are supporting Kerry, if I wasn't already a Bush supporter, I would have immediately switched. Linda Ronstadt? Don Henley? Geez, that's a good reason right there to vote for Bush."
--Rock star Alice Cooper

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Glory's Sun

Cameron once again proves her ditzyness (is that a word?) I really hope that women realize that no matter who gets voted into office, rape will not be legalized.. geesh that's a hard one to figure out. Why would she even make a statement like that.. bah

Lockjaw

While this push for people to vote is good it further proves that while we have the right many of us don't have the mental faculties to use that right wisely. Cameron is a moron and Alice Cooper once again proves he's one of the smarter people in show business.

animosity

o my... wow. I have lost what little repect I had for that woman.

I'm talking about Opra, for having such a guest on her show.

Flyguy

Why don't you all read between the lines a little bit? Mabye she's saying that she's afraid that the world will go total ape shit, bombs will fall, and we're back to no laws.

4 more years of Bush? Who knows at this point.

maleficent

Gotta wonder what she's afraid of?

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SecretMethod70

I don't even know how to respond civilly to that.

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Bill O'Rights

Ok...what was that?!?

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rockogre

Cameron Diaz??? Brains???

Go Alice.

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flamingdog

I concur, not that I believe Cameron Diaz sees the subtext of what she said. I think she made a point that was worth making, but in a real clumsy way. The credibility of a government is in many ways linked to the number of people who vote to place it in power. If you have a mandate from only 20 per cent of the population (or whatever) to act, how can you claim to be acting for a whole nation?

"It's your voice" sort of makes the point I think Diaz was driving at, she was just going way over the top. The thing about Drew Barrymore "educating" people kind of grated too. The day I need to be educated by that woman, I'll die a little inside.

Bill O'Rights

oh...I dunno. I think I'd kinda like a little educating from Drew. I'm sure that there's something she could teach me.

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Nazggul

Isn't she the one who came out publicly and said she would never raise her children here in the States, that its too dangerous? Odd for someone who thinks now that this is such a great country. I may be confused, I often am.

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JumpinJesus

Oprah is now doing play by play commentary?

Ms. Diaz makes a generous annual donation to the World Wildlife Fund in the hopes that humans stay away from Jurassic Park so the dinosaurs don't get extincted again.

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mkultra

That quote is one of the many reasons I love Alice Cooper. All you have to do to be a good actor is be able to do the same thing a parrot does. While there are notable exceptions, most celebs have their heads up their ass about how real life works for the other 99% of the world that isn't constantly catered to by a gang of lackeys.

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Missy

Just because they are famous, doesn't make them intelligent.

KellyC

That's right ladies, vote or get raped!!

A very strong message indeed.

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Dwayne

I would just like to defend the celebrities here. Because of the first amendment everyone has the right to speak their mind. Now I think it is stupid also to just follow blindly what celebrities say, but they have everyright to say what they want.

Glory's Sun

I see where you're coming from but in actuallity the first amendments has limitations to it. (Secret let's not drag this out again )

CSflim

I didn't say that celebrities didn't have a right to speak. I said that they are idiots!

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Tophat665

Don't vote and get raped? OK that's not really any dumber than saying there are definitely WMDs in Iraq (Rummy and Cheney), or that tabby cats are the earthly agents of Satan (Ashcroft).

OK, look, no one ever expected Cameron Diaz to be much smarter than the characters she plays, but what is this crap about "Musicians/actors are not qualified to comment on politics"? They're not citizens? They don't have a right to vote? Hell, many of them are finacially sucessful without their daddies' help. I 'spect that makes them more qualified to comment on politics as relates to economics than the current resident of the whitehouse.

But all slandering Bush aside, it is these people's JOB to comment on society. It's what they are there for. True, some of them are morons (Miss Spears, I am talking to you), but many of them are smarter than you are. Don't dismiss them because their job title isn't "analyst", and don't call them fools simply because they disagree with you.

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SecretMethod70

Sorry, can't let this one go. What you're implying, here at least, is that Cameron Diaz and other celebrities are not necessarily free to say rediculously stupid things. Why? If it's offensive it doesn't matter in the least - just ask the KKK or the US Nazi party - they'll tell you. There's a reason that they are allowed to spew their hate across the United States uninhibited.

Putting aside the semantics of "limitation" vs " responsibility" (others: don't ask ), I see absolutely no reason why what Cameron Diaz is saying is not completely, 100% protected by her right to free speech. Is she an absolute idiot for saying it? Definitely. But there's nothing in it that directly creates danger to someone else's life or well-being. So, I don't see where your statement - whether it's even accurate or not - has any application to what Dwayne was pointing out. He's right. She has the freedom - the right - to express her opinion in this way. And we have the freedom to call her a moron with the IQ of a baseball bat for it.

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bermuDa

in the celebrity world, your ability to make stupid comments is directly linked to the amount of airtime you're given.

I'm willing to take a stab at making sense of this dumb woman's words:
Diaz is (i believe) a democrat and pro-choice. Kerry, despite being a devout catholic, is also pro choice. What diaz might have been implying was that if you don't vote, the anti-abortion incumbent would win.

One of the main arguments for abortion is that women shouldn't be forced to carry a child to term that is the result of rape. I can't exactly make the leap to making rape legal, but it's vaguely related... sort of... not really.

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alansmithee

I personally found much enlightenment about modern society in Charlie's Angels 2 . It is not a celebrities job to comment on society, it's their job to entertain society. And when they say foolish things, they should be called on it. Cameron Diaz says because I didn't vote, I'm pro-rape. That is beyond foolish, it's stupid. And they aren't speaking as citizens, they are speaking as celebrities. Most believe that that gives some special right, or makes what they say not ignorant garbage. Being physically attractive and starring in a couple of crappy movies doesn't make you a political expert, no more than being an old white guy and serving in congress makes you a movie critic.

Reese

That's the funniest quote I've heard... ever.

Whenever a Candidate argues for Legalizing rape, I'll vote against him, unless he's giving me a tax break, then they'll just have to legalize that shit.

In some elections I don't find it particularly beneficial to vote for either candidate because things like the Patriot Act come out of thin air and I never would have expected it to pass if you had told me about it 4 years ago. None of the dumbass things bush has done in the last 4 years were on his "to do" list and reasons to vote for him, so how the hell am I to know if Kerry is any better?

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Lockjaw

Just because you are a citizen and have the right to vote doesn't mean you have the informational backing to make an enlightened comment on politics.
Would you like to hear some of the things I've heard from the random 'qualified citizen' in regards to politics? There are smart celebs...there are dumb celebs. There are some extremely left leaning celebs that while I don't agree with their views in many cases I don't think they are lacking in basic logic. Little miss Cameron with her comments isn't one of them.

Ummmm no. These are people that get rich on the whim of the public willing to pay them for entertainment. These same people have more money than any of us will ever see in our lifetimes and many of them blow through that money so quickly that VH1 will never be without "What happened to..." specials because these people don't understand much of anything and economics on the level of it being political DEFINATELY wouldn't be one of their strong suits.

No it's not. There job is to sit there and entertain. Now if they want to branch out and comment on society and it's ills that's fine but excuse me while I point and laugh my butt off at a person that is living in a multimillion dollar mansion daring to try to relate to a kid from the inner city who won't make in a year on what they spend on their pets in a day.

I'd wager that's not true or else we would have Hollywood full of modern day Platos and Aristotles. Any quick glance at the actors in the movies right now says that's far far from true.
Or maybe Jimmy Kimmel and Queen Latifah secretly off the set contemplate the deeper meaning of existance. Or the members of Yellowcard get into deep discussions regarding the plight of ethnic refugees in Africa.
Their success doesn't= intelligence.
Now if you want to talk about the people BEHIND them like their agents, press people, and lawyers...you might have a point. But considering these people have entourages the size of small cities many of whom are in place to save this people from themselves speaks more to the fact many of these people aren't smarter than the average person in our society.

As has been said not calling them fools because they disagree with you(sounds kind of like what you did with Brit there considering you called her stupid but came to Cameron's defense), I'm calling them fools because they are an elitist group of spoiled people that have no real basis for their knowledge other than parroting what someone else smarter than they are said.
It's the exact same thing you see in political rallies the smart guy says something and gives "talking points". The stupid then recite the talking points to other stupid people until they run into somebody that can KIND of think for themselves and laughs at them. The problem is at a point these same stupid people get rich and famous and people for some odd reason put more stock into what they do and say over the average person. For example...it took ONE stupid famous person to start wearing Von Dutch and John Deer hats for fashion. Now you can't walk into a mall and throw a Juicy sweatsuit and not hit some schmuck wearing one and these people never rode a John Deer nor do they have any idea WTF Von Dutch is. The same thing happens with politics and celebs. Stupid goober sitting at home sees the TV and sees their favorite celeb pushing them to vote(and in a none subtle manner of WHO to vote for) and they without knowing a damn thing about anything will do it.

Glory's Sun

actually you're right secret. What she said is in total abidance with the law and her right. I guess I worded myself wrong. I was mearly pointing out (just as me and you went over this for what 2 hours) that a person cannot simply say anything about anyone at anytime. Like I've said before, and you will have to agree with this or something is just wrong, is that Free Speech while protected by the Constitution *Does* have limitations. Such as you cannont make a speech that could incite a riot. You cannot slander, you cannot use your words to cause harm to another person, directly or indirectly. Sure you can call people what you want and even slur them, that's your right. But you cannot (and you pointed this out yourself) cause harm with your words. Eceptions include, Obsenity, defamation, breach of the peace, incitment to crime, "fighting words" and sedition. I'm not saying that Cameron Ditsy Diaz did any of this. I was mearly trying to make a point and get something out there.


EXCEPTIONS TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH

SecretMethod70

Semantically, exception is the improper word to use, but yes. I do think it's important to understand that all these things fall under the responsibilities of free speech as opposed to exceptions of the right though.

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Glory's Sun

I'm going to bend as far to call it reasonable exception..

CSflim

You sir, are wrong to judge Britney in the way that you do. May I present; Britney's Guide to Semiconductor Physics


She's more than a pretty face.

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SecretMethod70

lmao, that site makes me laugh every time I see it

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Psycho Dad

Being the first to go when Diaz went apeshit on camera?

jimbob

surely the best celebrity idiocy quote of all time has to be this one from Mariah "queen of the underprivileged" Carey on, of all things, famine in Africa: "I'd love to be skinny like that but not with all those flies and death and stuff." I pray that this is just an urban myth.

Anyway, the Diaz quote reminded me of the "Liberals want to ban the bible" thing sent out by the Republican party. Now that's really far out there!

As for celebrity rock stars and actors expressing opinions, I've got no problem with that. After all, talk show hosts and newspaper columnists didn't get elected or pass an exam - they just have opinions and express them (as long as they don't conflict with those of the media outlet's owner). The problem with actors commenting on politics is that if they've got a film out then they can be seen as publicity seeking and if they don't then they're a loser who nobody wants to listen to.

Flyguy

I concur on this one. I think that's what she was saying also. Rape isn't legal, (even though is rerely enforced as it is) but at the same time, I agree with her that a woman shouldn't be forced to carry a rape baby to term.

thingstodo

That doesn't apply to just celebs. Most politicians also have their heads up their asses and don't have a clue how real life works.

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telekinetic

I disagree. Politicians are, for better or worse, some of the most informed citizens about political matters. Celebrities, at best, are as clueless as the American majority, and, at worst, support a candidate because he threw a nice party.

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SecretMethod70

Not particularly. Most of the time they have aides read the bills for them and really have no idea what the hell they're voting on anyway, especially in terms of loopholes and pork.

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smooth

Well, you're close, anyway.

without the benefit of women speaking up in this thread, I'll just have to say this and see if any come along and back up my assertion:

politically in the minority, many women might feel that laws they view as oppressive are akin to rape. Maybe rape has a larger meaning than many of you seem to believe it to be: more than just the physical holding of a woman down and forcing your phallis into her.

Ah yes, there are rapings with objects, rapings with words, and now, it appears at least to Diaz anyway, rapings with laws. There are rapings of land, rapings with eyes, and rapings with meaings and of words.

Sometimes you need to step out of your shocked mentalility to understand someone else's point. But not having to deal with the ever present reality of being raped from all quarters (as some women beleive patriarcal society represents to them), I wouldn't expect many men to do it very often.

cheers and out.

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SecretMethod70

too bad women aren't the political minority. They have had higher voter turnout since 1980. And I don't think it's valid to complain that most representatives are men either. Most states have open primaries now, so if you don't like the candidates, stop voting for them. I have no sympathy for people who think voting is akin to a horserace.

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