Hanxter

Girl attacked by pit bull clings to life
By Herald staff
Monday, September 6, 2004

A 7-year-old Lowell girl mauled by a pit bull during a weekend sleepover was clinging to life yesterday with injuries that include a gaping hole in her stomach.
Naomi Libareas was in such delicate condition that Massachusetts General Hospital surgeons delayed any more surgery until later in the week when the child may be better able to handle it.
"They were going to have more (yesterday) but they postponed it because she's still very vulnerable,'' said Denise Monteiro, a spokeswoman for the Department of Social Services.
The 1-year-old pit bull that attacked Naomi also left bite wounds in her neck and arm.
Police are considering criminal charges against Lisa Rego and Todd Fratus, owners of the dog, possibly including child endangerment and cruelty to animals.
"It's still under investigation,'' said Lowell police Capt. William Taylor. "We want to look at all aspects of the case.''
Naomi was attacked Saturday morning by a pit bull named Panda in the couple's Iowa Street home, where they run a kennel boasting "the best bullies in New England,'' according to their Web site.

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people that raise these dogs should be very much aware of the dangers that seem to be prevalent in the breed. i'm not condemning the breed as a whole but more the breeders / owners themselves. i mean having a pit bull in the open with kids??? what the hell were they thinking - it's just a "puppy"???

a google news search of pit bull attacks: Results 1 - 10 of about 193 for pit bull attacks

a general search of pit bull attacks: Results 1 - 10 of about 40,600 for pit bull attacks

granted some of the listings are duplicates but it just pisses me off that some people put status before child safety...

maleficent

I do not understand why people keep these dogs as pets, even for protection. These dogs seem to have a history of being mentally unbalanced and you don't know what is going to set them off and cause them to attack. Any dog could really attack, but the jaw of a pit bull is much stronger than that of a normal dog, and can do a lot more damage.

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kurty[B]

I don't like pitbulls or poodles. I have been attacked by both. The pitbull left permanent scarring though.

warrrreagl

Word of caution: we have some pit-bull lovers as members of the TFP. Based on my experience in some earlier threads, the "lovers" are much more ferocious than the dogs if you attempt to express a negative opinion about them.

Be warned. Mods, be alert.

Oh, and by the way, I hate them, too. I watched one of them fly into my yard from next door and shred my cat right in front of me about 15 years ago. I beat the dog on the head with a piece of lumber the whole time and it never even flinched. I'm told that's one of the characteristics the breeders are most proud of.

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solo2020

Hahah, " these dogs ".

Look, I've been attacked by a Poodle because I looked at it the wrong way. Sure Pitbulls are aggressive breeds. Does that make every one of them a killer?

I've left a friends pitbull to guard my house and my little cousins. What do I see when I come back home? Them wrestling each other and the little cousins winning. You can make a Daschund as aggressive as a junkyard dog if you treat it like one (which the owner of the above implied news probably did)

Pacifier

I dont think is a general problem with Pit Bulls. I see it as a "self fulfilling prophecy". People who buy a Pit Bull often want a "dangerous dog" and as a result those people train their dogs to become "dangerous".

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kurty[B]

I agree that it's often the person who buys a pitbull is looking for a "dangerous" dog, and does not train them to be friendly with people. The pitbull that attacked me was friendly, but I went to pet him (did the whole hold your fist out for him to smell), and he latched onto my wrist. Had no time to pull back, or anything, and my natural reaction was to kick it as hard as I could, because he wasn't letting go. After kicking it once, he released, and I kicked it again, and pulled myself back into the house and slammed the door (leaving him outside). Girlfriend at the time yelled at me for kicking her dog, completely ignoring the fact that I was bleeding profusely from my wrist. We broke up shortly after.

People who get pitbulls (dogs in general) as a pet should realize what they're getting themselves into. I do feel when a dog attacks someone the owner of that pet should be ready to take full responsibility of what happens.

splck

Yup. I've delt with a few pit bulls that were very nice dogs, but I've also delt with ones that should have been shot. I tend to blame the owners that don't have a clue how to properly train the dog.

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yakimushi

Pit Bulls aren't automatically dispositioned to be killers. The problem is that people who buy these dogs aren't prepared to deal with this difficult breed. Plus, I'm sure there is a stigma that makes people raise these dogs in a more agressive manner.

It also doesn't help that these dogs have been overbred and inbred way too much. There is a huge difference between a very expensive, well bred Pit and an inexpensive, poorly bred Pit.

I don't want to stereotype, but it seems the majority of Pit Bull's that attack people are owned by poor, urban families. Not being able to afford a well bred dog, a large enough and well fenced yard, and adequate obedience training all factors into making these dangerous dogs.

And if there is any question on whether the owners should be charged... there is none. Throw the book at them and destroy the dog.

The Phenomenon

Pit bulls are bad news.

I regularly hear of the owners, neighbours etc getting mauled, injured and killed by these dogs.

They obviously not the kind of pet to have around. I dont know why people keep 'em.

Quadraton

There's actually a call up here in Ontario to ban all pit bulls after a 25 year old Toronto man was mauled, and later hospitalized by his own pit bulls (two of them). I really don't know what to think about these dogs, sometimes.

On one hand, you've got a dog that is proned to being very aggressive, not unlike a Doberman or a Rottweiller. At the very least, there needs to be a mandatory law that these breeds be muzzled at all times (except when inside a house or a well fenced yard).

On the other hand, you've got irresponsible owners who don't learn how to properly handle these animals. Sometimes I think it's the owners of these dogs that need to be put down. A lot of people buy these sort of dogs because they fit with their personality. They want the 'macho' dogs, and don't care what these animals are capable of.

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powerclown

Christ that is hideous.
all I can say is my brother had one and it was an extremely affectionate dog, not aggressive in any way. i'm of the 'its the owner, not the dog' line of thought.

animosity

when I was a small child my friends had 3 pit-bulls. 2 of them were very good dogs that never would hurt a fly. One was a little crazy but still over all a good animal. I was never once attacked.

I too think that it is not the dog, but the owner....
notice... They obviously were not treating the animal well.

lurkette

Gotta agree with the "not the dog's fault" crowd. They are a breed that has been bred to be protective, and they require an extremely consistent, dominant owner. I've known people who have gentle, docile pit bull mixes, but the owners are extremely attentive and the dogs are well socialized. I almost think you ought to have to sign an agreement to take training classes when you adopt/buy a dog that has pit bull in it, and if you don't provide certification that the dog has passed, it's taken away. They're not a dog for everyone and their inherent natures can be twisted, abused or neglected, to tragic end.

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jordan_is_god

its noot the pit bulls i hat e it some of the owners... yes they are more of an aggressive breed than others but if raised properly they can be just as loyal and gentle as any other "family" pet... that being said the most popular of "family" dogs viciously attacked me and left me with drains in my leg and severe puuncture and tears in my leg hip elbow and shoulder.... all of which caused by ablack lab...labs make great pets... i hold nothing against that breed of dog... i do however dislike the owner that kept him chained up in his backyard with no human contact.. no love and affection whatsover.....its kind of like the saying... guns dont kill people.. people kill people... pit bulls dont attack people.... neglected dogs void of love care and affection do....no such thing as an evil dog... just people that shouldnt have a dog... i have 2 children 2 years and 1 year olds and i have no problem with my friends bringing over their "evil" dogs... becauase i have seen these dogs from the time they were puppies.. ive seen how they were raised and no that they arent going to turn on me or my kids or a stranger for that matter.... am i cautious around them???? yes i am... i would be a bad parent if i wasnt...but am i any more cautioius with pit bulls than i am with my in-laws jack russels?? nope... u must be cautious with any and all dogs... especially with children... the most friendly little beagle can get stepped on or scared or whatever and turn on someone without warning... the only difference betwwen pit bulls s that they tend to do more damage when they do turn... dont hate a dog that was not given a chance at being a good pet... not meaning to start a debate or anything i just hate it when people single out a breed saying it is a bad breed... i just wish ppl would pick up a book on it or research it on the internet... not just what the media covers... vicious satans dog attacks helpless little girl... news at 11... i am not trying to justify it when a dog attacks someone im just trying to see it from all angles... was this dog a loyal family pet that had been raised with lkids... was he provoked or was he a stray that had been dumped because someone didnt want to neuter their dog..or was he a dog that only new how to fight because his "owner" trained him to be vicious?... as far as them being fighting dogs...its not because they are the meanest dog or the most vicious its because of their size speed and the power of the bite... if people discovered that a beagle had a stronger bite than a pit you can believe that u would see more vicious beagle attacks... that just sounds funny!!

Pacifier

I don't thing a ban would work. I think a required dog training for dogs of a certain size would be a better idea (at least in cities were the dogs have to deal with a lot of unknown people).
Also as a dog owner I feel safer when I know that my dog will listen to me.

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Kalnaur

First dobermans, then rottwielers, now pit bulls? it's the owners and the way they raise the pet. pets are just like kids, they will take after their owners since that's the behavior they see being modeled for them. Hell, poodles can be vicious if "properly" raised. It's not a dog's fault, it's an owners fault for not raising them properly.

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KellyC

ughh man...those dogs. My friend want a pair of those dogs and train them to fight, I told him to go to hell.

I'd like to see someone train a chihuahua to be vicious though, that'd be a sight to behold

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maleficent

I have a friend who does Chihuahua rescue, so they always have a passel of those rat dogs in their house. They travel in packs, they are loud, yippy dogs, and they do bite unprovoked. Ok, so I laugh when they bite, but they can try to be pretty fierce, they're just hampered by size...

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flamingpeach

I have a pitbull. She wouldn't attack a person, but a dog is another story. We're well aware of her "dangers" and are responsible with her. Hell, we spent 2 grand getting her trained


imo its the owners, not the dog.

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orphen

it's the design of their jaws. once they bite they won't let go unless you dislocate them (jaws)

canuckguy

if ontario does not ban them (god i hope they do!) they should treat dogs like a weapons/assault offence. if your dog bites someone or attacks them the punishment should be so harsh as to deter it. if you have a dog you better learn to contro it. In high school my friends little sister delieverd papers and was attacked by a dog that jumped a fence to attack her. forget the breed though. but i do remember it was not the first time that dog had bitten someone. that girl has to live with the scars of that attack on her face and arm, and the owners could a slap on the wrist.
pit bulls are just wrong imo. most people who have them are thug type wanna be's or whatever you want to call them. walking there dogs with freaking chains as a lead.


btw i said most, not all. just have not seen too many banker types walking there pit bulls in town. got myself a chocolate lab, might lick you to death

maleficent

Rottweilers I have a personal vendetta against, I swear I dont understand why they are kept as pets. Years ago, I was living on Staten Island, in a neighborhood populated my cops and firemen. Nice blue collar family neighborhood, not exactly a mecca for drug dealers. The fireman next door to me had 4 boys under the age of 12, and one big old Rottweiller that spent most of his days in a pen in the backyard. This pen was a chain link fence that was about 6 or 8 feet high. The kids used to play in the backyard.

One afternoon, I walked into my backyard to pick some basil, I was about 25 feet or so from this beasts pen, and he started barking... and going nuts. I had done nothing. Kinda creeped me out, so I started to walk back to the house. Next thing I know this dog is over the fence charging me... Idiot that I was turned around, and he put paws up and knocked me down, now I'm 5'9, and was pretty athletic, he tackled me, I put my arm up and he got a latch on my arm and never let go.

At the same time, the neighbor on the other side, one of NY's finest, was pulling into his driveway and saw the dog attack, he was out of his car, and had his gun drawn and fired at least 3 shots at this dog and the dog never let go, the 4th shot finally felled the dog. 28 stitches in my arm leads me to beleive this is yet another breed that serves no useful purpose.

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shakran

There are plenty of Rots out there that are nothing but sweet tempered. My neighbor has one and he's an awesome dog that's a lot of fun to play with.

It's all in the upbringing. I mean, we don't write off all of humanity just because some kid shoots up a school do we?

Then why should we write off a whole breed just because ONE dog attacked you?

Mephisto2

Pit Bulls have actually been banned in the United Kingdom, due to their repeated attacks (many that have actually resulted in death) on humans. If you are discovered with one, or one deemed to be a close enough cross-breed, they are confiscated and destroyed. I also believe you are fined. I wholly support this. They are a dangerous dog breed specifically for aggresiveness.

In Ireland, all dogs in public must wear a muzzle. Not enough to be uncomfortable for the creature itself, but enough to protect people from being bitten. Again, I think this is an excellent law.

I love dogs, but some of them are simply downright dangerous. And spare me the "dogs are just fine, it's just the owners..." nonesense. It doesn't move me the same way the similiar argument about guns being just tools doesn't move me.


Mr Mephisto

powerclown

Wow, thats pretty drastic.
Was there a problem with frequent pitbull attacks in the UK?

Mephisto2

Several kids were killed and/or mauled. Even one is too many in my mind.

France and Germany have also banned them. I suspect even more countries have done so.

I believe the original Dangerous Dogs Act in 1991 banned their import or breeding. I don't believe the existing dogs were destroyed, and some exceptions were (are?) allowed. Some background detail can be found at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2499649.stm and http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/welf...thelegislation



Mr Mephisto

powerclown

There have been many pitbull attacks in the states as well...

I recall there being some high profile individual cases where people have sued for damages, but no nationwide ban.
Interesting links...

alicat

First off, I had a Rottweiler next door from me for three years that was kept in a 10' x 8' pen year round (and we're in Michigan which can have some pretty harsh winters). She had basically no human contact except for feeding time. When she'd occationally slip out of her owners grasp and run into our yard, she'd come right in my back door landing and wag/drool/lick me to death. She was one of the "vicious" breeds that had every right due to her care to attack humans and yet was so exubrently happy for affection that all she did was kiss you to death.

On the other end of the spectrum, and I have to say that although this might sound racist, I myself am not at all racist and realize that this was a truth for us even though it might seem like stereotyping to others. DH and I lived most of our lives in and around Detroit. We are both white and he worked at a Ford plant with alot of black people. He was really good friends with 3 black men on his line and all of them had Rottweilers. All of the three's dogs were trained to be attack dogs. It seemed to be the norm that those that lived in and around the Detroit area routinely trained their dogs to protect the home and family. It is not a dogs fault if the humans that own it train it to attack anyone who isin't in the family/friend "circle".

On the same track, the show "Animal Cops" (I think) on the Animal Network is set in Detroit and constantly pisses me off. In the city of Detroit, dog fighting is such a huge problem that they have a law that says that any Pitt Bull confiscated is automatically put to sleep (isin't that a nice sugar-coated term?!). The poor dog could be the most docile pet in the world and never have seen the inside of a fighting ring, but based solely on it's genetics, it's doomed to death. Again, see above for the "I'm not racist" statement, but, it seems like everytime they bust up dog fighting rings or even respond to people's concerned calls about dog fighting, it's mainly young black boys/men that are involved. I just don't understand why breeding/training dogs for fighting is so big to inner-city black people. I myself grew up just above the poverty line (and at times my parents had to rely on government aid) and yet this kind of thing never even entered the picture (and I was born in 1971, not Ward and June Cleaver days). Pets were part of the family not a security measure or money making tool.

If I recall correctly, Pitt Bulls were one of the number one family pets In the first half of the 1900's (think Golden Retreiver's, Spaniels or Labs these days). Again, if I'm correct, I think "Petey" from the "Our Gang" or "Little Rascels" shows/shorts was a Pitt Bull (please correct me anyone if I'm wrong on that!).

It all comes down to the nature vs. nurture argument and I myself lean towords the nurture. Dogs might never have become domesticated if it was inherent in their behaviour to be vicous and distrust/attack humans, or at the very least it would have taken much longer in the grand scheme of things for us to tame them, IMHO.

Ali

Edited to add: If anyone should be against vicious dogs, I fit the bill. I was out one night to give the aforementioned Rotty a few treats, when a loose dog out-of-the-blue came around the Rottie's cage and up to me. She was sweet as until I attemped (stupid!) to hold her and read her tag (my fault). She bit me on the face and I had to go through a set of 8 shots at one time and four more once a week for the next month. I still don't blame her for my stupidity and her natural reaction.

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Xiomar

It is indeed the owners. And, usually, the animals are the ones put to sleep. I remember when I was hanging out at my girlfriends house. Now I LOVE german sheppards. Best dogs ever, if you ask me. The dude across the street thought the same things, but SEVERELY mistreated the dog. We called AC on him all the time, and nothing ever came of it. I'm sitting in her house and hear the little girl next door scream. LOUD. And bad. In a second, I'm out the door... and I see this dog attacking her and her father. He is holding her up high while the dog is ripping into his flesh. I run, full speed and tackled the dog. He proceeded to try and bite me, and unfortunately I had no other choice but to proceed to choke him out. After the neighbors were sent to the hospital, I yelled at this guy for 30 minuites and ALMOST kicked his ass.
Everyone ended up ok, but... the dog unfortunately had to be put to sleep.
To make sure this little girl didnt lose her natural love for animals to fear, we scheduled regular visits from my girlfriends dog, a nice big ole black lab.

Sorry for the length. Just wanted to get this out.

Hanxter

my point was to bring light to the matter of having them around children

Diamond

These dogs have been originally bred for the "sport" of dogfighting. Yes, they can be made mean or friendly, but bottom line, attacking something is a matter of instinct for them, as is hunting is a trait in most retreivers or hounds. Ever seen a dogfight? They are legal in most central American countries and are so incredibly brutal it cannot be described. For me, these dogs are nothing but a target.

bigoldalphamale

*raises hand*corporate banker executive type & owner of the biggest, fastest, frisbee catching pit this side of the mississippi. thanks.

i am also one of the ferocious propenents of the breed and because i respect many of you, i will abstain from the browbeating i facilitate in other forums. over the years, i have come to realize that ignorance regarding this breed is so overwhelming that wholesale reeducation is necessary if the breed is to be saved. however, as long as human piles of shit who can barely take care of themselves continue to own and breed these dogs for 'protection' or for fighting...it will be impossible to improve the breed's situation. so i have bent to the notion that registration of this animal is the best alternative to complete damnation and elimination. if you want to own this breed of dog, you need to register with your county, city, or state. some type of approval process must be cleared before registration is granted. breeders would then not be allowed to sell pups to anyone not in possession of the proper registration paperwork. something along those lines.

anyway, the dogs are incredible. and in the hands of the responsible adult owners, as safe and predictable as any other breed of dog out there.

one thing i ask is that no one comes into this thread promulgating the same old bullshit that continues to give this dog its horrible reputation:

1) they are genetically wired to kill (bullshit)
2) their jaws lock with 200000000000 lbs of pressure (bullshit)
3) only scumbags and drug dealers own pitbulls (bullshit)
4) they are terrible family dogs and bad with kids (bullshit)


the truth:

1) they are very athletic, strong, and powerful animals which makes them very capable of inflicting great amounts damage faster and more efficiently than other breeds ... when trained to do so.

2) no amount of socialization with other dogs will make them 100% safe around any other dogs. this is pretty much the standard with any breed of dog though.

3) pit mixes are no less or more safe the purebred pits.

i could go on...but i wont.

and for those intersted in owning...please explore a responsible and accredited rescue before seeking out a breeder (this applies to any breed).

Bill O'Rights

My comment to a similar thread, over a year ago, still reflects my opinion, on this subject, to this day.

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...hlight=pitbull

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bigoldalphamale

*heating up*

i have no mullet. i dont watch nascar. i dont live in a trailer. and your preconceived notions of the dog are as wrong as they are for the owners. surely your time is better spent posting on something you are actually knowledgable about rather than promulgating your obvious ignorance on the topic. not an attack, a request.

Glory's Sun

From what I've seen in my short 24 years, after handling and breeding many different breeds of dogs, I really don't understand why people would want the whole breed eradicated. There is an exception to every rule. The same is in the animal kingdom. What I see is the fact that most people with a powerful breed often handle it well for the first 2 months then get bored with it and expect it to act like a lab. (noting that I have seen a Black Lab that would bite any animal or any person that came close) People should have to take a course and enroll the said breed in an obedience class. No if ands or buts. To say that you would want the entire breed killed is as ignorant as saying the entire human race should be wiped out because of repeated attacks on humans. let's face it, not every dog is going to be a perfect little angel. More dogs of this breed and other "dangerous" breeds will be alot better off if people started treating them how they should be treated. I would venture as far to say that people who own them should have a license and all that but that's a little far fetched at the moment. What that does is simply insult responsible owners like bigoldalphamale seems to be.
The solution isn't killing an entire breed..it's developing ways to understand and work with the breed better.

K-Wise

I don't think I've ever had a bad encounter with a Pit Bull thankfully. But seriously it does have most to do with ownership and training if they are violent. My sister lives next door to a family which has 2 pitbulls and I believe they breed them. Poor dogs are chained up outside all day every day....I don't think I've ever seen em feed em I'm sure they do but sis says they don't do it very often cause the dog is practically emaciated. Every once in a while they'll spray it down with the hose went it's really hot out. I pet her all the time...her and her puppy. She's the sweetest dog. Doesn't even bark at me. And the Silky Terrier my sister has mingles with them all the time and sometimes manages to get into their yard. I was at the vet not too long ago with my puppy (you all know about that..the Parvo story) and when we left a family came in with a big Pit. It walked passed me and I had my hands down at my sides and it put it's head under my left hand and started licking it. Obviously another very sweet and gentle dog. She had a little boy with her as well. I don't think you have to breed these dogs to be protective. I mean if you love em and take care of them and play with them just like any other dog they'll love you and want to protect you anyway regardless of training. None of my dogs are violent or popularly defense trained dogs but whenever a stranger comes in they are quite protective. They bark almost as though they are saying they are uninvited. Either that or they're curious and/or slightly intimidated. I mean honestly thats all they need to do for me. If someone breaks in they bark, I hear, I become alert. I don't need them to go and try and rip his/her arm off and possibly get hurt. Granted if they aren't locked in their cages I can't be totally certain they wouldn't try anything matter of fact I'm certain they would. I've only been seriously bit by one dog in my entire life and that one was a mutt....I went started petting it, patting it's head, next thing I know I looked on the ground, saw a dead bird, got a bad feeling and by the time I turned my head toward the dog again it had jumped up and bit me on the forearm and ran like a bolt of lightning back into it's dog house. Anyways obviously off subject all the rots, pits, dobermans, boxers, GS's, etc. at all these dog shows are obviously not violent dogs and are more than likely social dogs as well or they wouldn't be allowed to even compete.

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just wanted to note that doberman's are some of the smartest, easily trained, and loveable of the dog kingdom

the_marq

When I was six I was bit by a german shepard. It was my neighbours dog and was predictably described as a "kind dog who would never hurt anyone." I was petting this delightful animal when it decided to clamp its jaws over my face, my parents then took me to the hospital for stitches, thankfully none of the "kind dog's" teeth hit my eyes.

In my early 20's I was home alone with my roomate's dog. Another kind and loveable dog, this time a rotweiler. I still have the scar on my hand where this bundle of joy tried to remove my middle finger.

It seems to me that no matter how kind a loveable an owner thinks their dog is, there is likely to come a time when that animal is going to injure someone. I don't hate dogs, tho maybe I should, but I certainly think they should be controlled like the weapons they are.

If I "accidentaly" run someone over with my car I get a fine or go to jail.
If I "accidentaly" let one of my guns go off I get a fine or go to jail (even if no one is hurt).
If a dog jumps the fence and bites the mailman there should be criminal charges.

Honestly, I don't think anyone should have a dog over 20 pounds in an urban setting. It's dangerous and in many cases cruel to the dog who may be forced to live in a tiny apt for 18+ hours a day. More realisitically, dog owners need to be held responsible not only for the damage their dogs do, but the damage they do to the dogs.

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shakran

Yeesh, let's get some opinions in here that are based on reality shall we? What about basset hounds? They can weigh up to 90 lbs and are perfectly happy snoozing on the couch all day. Hell of the 10 I've had so far, 7 of them didn't even LIKE to go outside. You can't put weight, amount of fur, color, etc requirements on where a dog can be kept. It has to be tailored to the individual breed.