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miggity99 · 08-12-2004, 12:59 PM

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480-pound woman dies after six years on couch

By Pat Moore

Thursday, August 12, 2004

She lived in filth, so large she couldn't move from her sofa, even to use the bathroom.

Early Wednesday, still fused to the couch, Gayle Laverne Grinds died following a six-hour effort by rescue workers who struggled to lift the 480-pound woman and get her to a Martin County hospital.

Unable to separate the skin of the 39-year-old woman from her sofa, 12 Martin County Fire-Rescue workers slid both onto a trailer and hauled her behind a pickup to Martin Memorial Hospital South. She died a short time later.

Sheriff's investigators questioned how Grinds lived in such conditions without more help from family or authorities.

"We're not treating her death as suspicious at this point, but we do have an investigation started because the circumstances surrounding her death are so unusual," Martin Sheriff's Sgt. Jenell Atlas said.

The Treasure Coast medical examiner performed an autopsy of the 4-foot-10 woman and listed her cause of death as "morbid obesity," officials said. Results of toxicology tests will take several weeks.

"I tried to take care of her the best I could," said 54-year-old Herman Thomas, who lived with Grinds in the duplex apartment in Golden Gate, south of Stuart. "I tried to get her to get up, but it wouldn't do no good."

He said the woman that he called his wife hadn't been off the couch for six years. No record of their marriage could be found.

"I wish I could have pulled her off the couch, but she wouldn't let me," he said, covering his face and sobbing.

Inside the home, the floor and walls were matted with feces, and trash was strewn across the floors, some which were bare concrete. Furniture was toppled, and pictures were knocked off walls.

Atlas said sheriff's detectives will look for potential "negligence issues" related to her care and death.

"We want to know what happened to her, how she ended up this way, and is she supposed to have been receiving any care," she said.

Rescue workers were called to the home at 8:44 p.m. Tuesday by Grinds' brother and his girlfriend, who reported the woman had trouble breathing and "emphysema problems." The crew initially tried to remove her from the couch, but the pain was too excruciating.

Workers wore protective clothing and installed large air handling hoses to ventilate the horrendous odor emitting from the home while trying to figure out how to get the woman and her couch to the hospital.

The street in front of the row of duplex apartments turned into a makeshift construction site as rescue crews used hammers and chain saws to build a large wooden stretcher with handles cut around the perimeter so firefighters could lift the woman and the couch, Martin County Fire-Rescue District Chief Jim Loffredo said.

After several failed attempts, including building one plywood plank that was too small to hold her, workers removed sliding glass patio doors at the back of the home, leaving a 6-foot opening large enough to get her out.

They slid the couch with her on it onto the larger wooden plank supported by 2-by-4 boards, which were slid onto a utility trailer.

"We couldn't get her in the ambulance," Loffredo said.

The trailer was hooked to the back of a pickup, leaving the scene sometime after 2 a.m., witnesses said. Grinds died at 3:12 a.m., still attached to the couch, officials said.

Neighbors who watched the lengthy rescue effort said they had never seen Grinds out of the home.

Jerry Thomas, who lives across the street for six years, said he has seen young girls at the home on occasion but never knew Grinds was inside.

"All we knew was the old man lived there," Thomas said. "I had no idea a woman ever lived in that house. Apparently she'd been on that couch a long time."

Unidentified relatives expressed anger at the scene.

"Family members are upset.... It's a difficult position," Martin County Fire-Rescue specialist Chris Wisniewski said.

Clifford Grinds, who is believed to be Gayle Grinds' brother, refused comment and slammed a door when contacted by a reporter at his Hobe Sound home Wednesday afternoon.

Court records show Gayle Grinds cared for a young niece and nephew after the death of her sister in 1992. Those children are now 19 and 15, but their whereabouts were unclear Wednesday.

"We are used to going to people's houses when things are at their worst... and that's fine, we're trained for it," Atlas said. "But there is no warning for something like this."

Atlas said a community policing deputy who worked the neighborhood a few years ago knew of Grinds but never had any dealings with her, and no deputy had ever been called inside the home.

In June 2003, 911 dispatchers received a call from the home for medical assistance, but Martin County Fire Chief Tom Billington said he could not reveal the nature of that call, citing federal medical privacy laws and the ongoing investigation.

The Department of Children and Families can intervene to help adults who are unable to care for themselves, but DCF officials said Wednesday they did not know about Grinds.

Christine Demetriades, agency spokeswoman for the Treasure Coast, said DCF has no record of calls to the abuse hot line or reports before she died.

Uggg, I don't think I'll eat for a week.

matteo101 · 08-12-2004, 01:07 PM

This is sad more than anything. Imagine the pain that women went through everyday. It is a shame...

Redlemon · 08-12-2004, 01:07 PM

480? That's all it takes to set you over the edge? What about 1,072 pounds?

The Seattle Times: Health: Half-ton man sheds 321 lbs. with help of team of doctors

Cynthetiq · 08-12-2004, 01:14 PM

that's definitely not going to help the cause for the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance group.

http://www.naafa.org/

miggity99 · 08-12-2004, 01:14 PM

It wasn't really the weight that got me, it was the environment in which she lived. When there's feces matted on the walls and floor, that's disturbing.

She didn't get off the couch for 6 years, enough time for the couch to actually become a part of her body!

chrisg299 · 08-12-2004, 01:21 PM

^^^ That's hella sad man, really makes you wish you could help people like that out when you read articles like that

Stompy · 08-12-2004, 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by miggity99
She didn't get off the couch for 6 years, enough time for the couch to actually become a part of her body!

Yeah, that stuff is crazy. If you ever watch Animal Cops on Animal Planet, you see that all the time where someone abuses an animal and has them chained up for so long that the chain actually embeds itself into the skin around the neck.

Sick, but at the same time, fascinating.

skinnymofo · 08-12-2004, 01:58 PM

now i know im not really being sensitive here but, if shes stuck to the couch how did she manage to get shit all over the walls? i would think it would be stuck deep in the couch.
On another note, 480 pounds isnt all that much compared to a lot of overweight people these days, why didnt she ever get up in the early days atleast?
Im sorry i cant really post more but thinking about this kind of just pisses me off on how stupid that lady was. guess i need a sensitivity group, because i dont feel bad for her at all

Giant Hamburger · 08-12-2004, 02:12 PM

That story reminds me of one I saw in "News of The Weird" several years ago.
Let me go dig it up.

**clickity clickity click click**

Huzzah...

Julia Schumansky, 64, of Hartsville, Tennesee, underwent surgery for a tumor in her left buttock. Instead of a tumor, doctors found a 4-inch pork chop bone, which they estimated had been there between 5 and 10 years. describing herself as "overweight," she speculates she must have unknowingly sat on the bone, and that the skin grew around it.

ShaniFaye · 08-12-2004, 02:16 PM

The whole thing is just so sad so SO many levels

How in the hell could her boyfriend let her have to deal with that? Its just inhumane

I need tissues

K-Wise · 08-12-2004, 02:17 PM

I can't help but be a little bit disgusted by all that.

Asta!!

asudevil83 · 08-12-2004, 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by skinnymofo
now i know im not really being sensitive here but, if shes stuck to the couch how did she manage to get shit all over the walls? i would think it would be stuck deep in the couch.
On another note, 480 pounds isnt all that much compared to a lot of overweight people these days, why didnt she ever get up in the early days atleast?
Im sorry i cant really post more but thinking about this kind of just pisses me off on how stupid that lady was. guess i need a sensitivity group, because i dont feel bad for her at all

your right, 480 pounds isnt all that much for a normal person....but she was only 4 feet 10 inches tall. thats a shitload of weight to pack in such a tiny frame.

that story is pretty fucking sad and fucking gross at the same time. i could never imagine having shit strewn across the walls and floors...much less being literally glued to the couch for 6 years.

Destrox · 08-12-2004, 02:36 PM

I too guess I am one of those insensitive bastards that feels no sarrow for these people at all.

When do they decide that they have a problem? 200lbs overweight? 400? 800????

In no way possible did that weight happen in a short time, it took time and thier own willing self to make it happen. ANd then MY tax dollars pay for thier fat asses, fuck that.

Shoot them, and use my money for better things.

Lasereth · 08-12-2004, 02:41 PM

Yeah, I've seen people that are 400+ pounds that don't look that big. I guess these people are also pretty tall though. Being 4'10" would compact the body frame a lot, but it still seems like she should be able to move...especially if this weight problem degenerated through six years. Oh well, I guess we'll never find out the whole story!

-Lasereth

stonegrody · 08-12-2004, 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by Giant Hamburger
Julia Schumansky, 64, of Hartsville, Tennesee, underwent surgery for a tumor in her left buttock. Instead of a tumor, doctors found a 4-inch pork chop bone, which they estimated had been there between 5 and 10 years. describing herself as "overweight," she speculates she must have unknowingly sat on the bone, and that the skin grew around it.

I just threw up in my mouth

K-Wise · 08-12-2004, 03:31 PM

^ Holy shit whats that from? W T F???!!!!

Asta!!

Blonddie · 08-12-2004, 04:26 PM

I. too, have a hard time finding sympathy for her (or him). It was never said that they had mental problems that could cause this, so wheres the personal responsibility? I think its gross really.
I am curious to find out what happened to the kids she took in. Many crude jokes come to mind....

Scorps · 08-12-2004, 04:31 PM

I read that story last night on another forum...I want to know how she lived so long just sitting there?

moonstrucksoul · 08-12-2004, 04:38 PM

and I thought I was depressed, at least i get off tha couch. my condolences to her family.

punx1325 · 08-12-2004, 04:54 PM

What I don't understand is how the rest of the family lived with her. I mean the smell of feces!?! If it were me, I would have moved out and made her get up. She would either die of starvation or exert some energy and get up to eat... That is just a horrible situation for everyone in that family to deal with.

Stompy · 08-12-2004, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by K-Wise
^ Holy shit whats that from? W T F???!!!!

Asta!!

Dodgeball?

Scorps · 08-12-2004, 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by Stompy
Dodgeball?

LOL sucks I missed that movie in the theater but its cheaper on DVD

But I saw that clip in the Previews

shakran · 08-12-2004, 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by Blonddie
I. too, have a hard time finding sympathy for her (or him). It was never said that they had mental problems that could cause this, so wheres the personal responsibility? I think its gross really.
I am curious to find out what happened to the kids she took in. Many crude jokes come to mind....

It was never said that they didn't have mental problems either, and anyone who lives in a house that has shit on the floor and walls has some sort of mental problem. End of story.

whocarz · 08-12-2004, 05:50 PM

The only people I have sympathy for are the cops and fire fighters that had to go into that cesspit and lift this stupid bitch's ass onto a flatbed truck. If you let yourself spiral so out of control that you literally cannot or will not move, then fuck you.

Cowman · 08-12-2004, 06:03 PM

BMI lists her as 100+
thats disgusting.

Scorps · 08-12-2004, 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by whocarz
The only people I have sympathy for are the cops and fire fighters that had to go into that cesspit and lift this stupid bitch's ass onto a flatbed truck. If you let yourself spiral so out of control that you literally cannot or will not move, then fuck you.

Awesome point....they shoudln't have had to go in there, just burn the damn house down!

unoaman · 08-12-2004, 06:31 PM

kinda makes me wish I had read this before eating those two bowls of ham and bean soup tonight.

What a sad ending to come to a human being, it's fine to say that she was crazy, but at the very least the entire group are / were severly dysfunctional.

anti fishstick · 08-12-2004, 07:33 PM

Well my initial reactions to this was also having no sympathy for her situation. I believe fully on the responsibilities of people and the choices they make. SHE put herself in this disgusting filth.. It was completely her choice and could have been completely her undoing. But then I began to think about the psychology behind her problem. She could have felt so hopeless and embarassed and ashamed that I could easily see why her reaction was the way it was... (Basically, to do nothing) It is an extreme case/situation but it operates on the same levels of typical responses.

Trisk · 08-12-2004, 07:35 PM

I have to go with those who have no sympathy for her. I just find it disgusting. Nobody should let themselves, their friends or family get to that point, even if you have to put a gun to their head to make them get up. She has herself to blame for getting that fat but her family and friends are to blame for letting it continue on until this point.
They should be ashamed of themselves.

shakran · 08-12-2004, 07:52 PM

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Originally posted by Trisk
I have to go with those who have no sympathy for her. I just find it disgusting. Nobody should let themselves, their friends or family get to that point, even if you have to put a gun to their head to make them get up. She has herself to blame for getting that fat but her family and friends are to blame for letting it continue on until this point.
They should be ashamed of themselves.

So um. . . .I take it your life is perfect then, or should we be equally heartless when you have a problem or twelve?

Sure, she brought it on herself (and btw she may not have brought the weight on herself - some people have a hormonal imbalance that makes them gain weight even when they're eating right and exercising) but I'll grant you that she brought the "I'm not moving off this couch" bit on herself. But so what? The homeless guy on the street may very well have brought his problems on himself but that doesn't mean that you don't sympathise with the fact that he has to sleep over a heated grate in 40 below windchill this winter.

When you get right down to it, you can say people brought a LOT of problems on themselves. That might, and perhaps should, factor into your thinking about what you will do about it (I'm not giving this wino $5 because he'll just spend it on booze), but it doesn't mean you can't feel for them.

It's a little thing called compassion.

08-12-2004, 07:56 PM

Wow, my roommate just told me about this. I honestly don't know what to think here...

Manic_Skafe · 08-12-2004, 08:21 PM

I was surprised to find so much rude and heartless disrespect for that woman. It couldn't be more obvious that her only problem wasn't her wheight - there was obviously something very wrong with her/those who were caring for her if she lived like that for years.

Such a small body and so much wheight - I can imagine all the pain that must've been involved with moving let alone getting up...So much suffering for so long - atleast now she won't have to suffer anymore.

skier · 08-12-2004, 08:27 PM

She ate, slept, shat, and vegetated on that couch for 6 whole years. Wow. How did she get the cash to do absolutly nothing for 6 whole years and eat enough to weigh 480 lbs? Crazy.

Trisk · 08-12-2004, 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by shakran
So um. . . .I take it your life is perfect then, or should we be equally heartless when you have a problem or twelve?

Sure, she brought it on herself (and btw she may not have brought the weight on herself - some people have a hormonal imbalance that makes them gain weight even when they're eating right and exercising) but I'll grant you that she brought the "I'm not moving off this couch" bit on herself.

I hate when people use the hormonal imbalance excuse for people that get this bad. Yes, some people have hormonal imbalances and will always be a bit chunky. But far less people actually have this than we like to pretend...and even if you have that, it simply doesn't make you get *this* obese. You will be a little bit chunkier than the average person for your whole life with a hormonal imbalance but that doesn't mean you will consistantly gain weight.

I'm not saying my life is perfect - far from that. But if I do something unreasonable, I can usually tell that it's unreasonable. And I have had times where my friends had to scream at me to get me to do something I knew I should be doing and I was grateful for it later on. If my friend was in this state, I wouldn't let it go this long. After the first month (at the most) I would either tell her I'm not bringing her food anymore and she's going to have to get off her ass and get it or take some other extreme measures. You just don't let this happen. There's no excuses.

todd · 08-12-2004, 10:39 PM

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Workers wore protective clothing and installed large air handling hoses to ventilate the horrendous odor emitting from the home

Thats the best line of the story.

isis · 08-12-2004, 11:17 PM

Wouldn't the easy solution to this problem in the first place be:

a) refusing food unless she got off the couch
b) bringing in some sort of medical professional

I don't get how someone can sit somewhere for 6 years. I mean, people must have been bringing her food and whatnot. I'm assuming that she was probably cared for, for quite some time- I think 6 years worth of shat would have probably been a bit more than what was in that house. I bet her caretakers abandoned her a week before this happened due to her obviously reckless, self indulgent behavior.

Call me cold hearted, but I have no compassion for people like this. Its their own fault.

Xell101 · 08-13-2004, 03:34 AM

I think it's crazy she became one with the couch! Seeing as how she dind't move from that couch, I wonder what the hell kind of individual would support that lifestyle!

Strange Famous · 08-13-2004, 04:38 AM

It sounds a pretty sordid way to go.. not much dignity.

Hwed · 08-13-2004, 05:24 AM

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some people have a hormonal imbalance that makes them gain weight even when they're eating right and exercising

Sorry, I hate to sound heartless, but I don't buy this. Sure, some people are more prone to becoming fat. But at the end of the day, it's that person's choice to chew and swallow more food than necessary to keep the body going. It's called self control.

The Phenomenon · 08-13-2004, 05:28 AM

:/ disgusting :/

Thanks for sharing

08-12-2004, 01:07 PM	#3 (permalink)
Redlemon Devoted Donor Location: New England	480? That's all it takes to set you over the edge? What about 1,072 pounds? The Seattle Times: Health: Half-ton man sheds 321 lbs. with help of team of doctors __________________ I can't read your signature. Sorry.

08-12-2004, 01:14 PM	#4 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	that's definitely not going to help the cause for the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance group. http://www.naafa.org/ __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

08-12-2004, 01:14 PM	#5 (permalink)
miggity99 Tilted Location: Starkvegas	It wasn't really the weight that got me, it was the environment in which she lived. When there's feces matted on the walls and floor, that's disturbing. She didn't get off the couch for 6 years, enough time for the couch to actually become a part of her body! __________________ Chemical Engineers do it with packed beds...

08-12-2004, 02:16 PM	#10 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	The whole thing is just so sad so SO many levels How in the hell could her boyfriend let her have to deal with that? Its just inhumane I need tissues __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

08-12-2004, 02:17 PM	#11 (permalink)
K-Wise It's All About The Ass!! Location: In a pool of mayonnaise!!	I can't help but be a little bit disgusted by all that. Asta!! __________________ "I love music and it's my parents fault (closing statement)." - Me..quoting myself...from when I said that...On TFP..thats here...Tilted Forum Project *It ain't goodbye, it's see ya later! I'll miss you guys!* - Asta!!

08-12-2004, 01:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
matteo101 In transition Location: north, no south abit, over to the right, getting warmer...there!	This is sad more than anything. Imagine the pain that women went through everyday. It is a shame...

08-12-2004, 01:21 PM	#6 (permalink)
chrisg299 Tilted	^^^ That's hella sad man, really makes you wish you could help people like that out when you read articles like that

08-12-2004, 01:58 PM	#8 (permalink)
skinnymofo Addict ed to smack Location: Seattle	now i know im not really being sensitive here but, if shes stuck to the couch how did she manage to get shit all over the walls? i would think it would be stuck deep in the couch. On another note, 480 pounds isnt all that much compared to a lot of overweight people these days, why didnt she ever get up in the early days atleast? Im sorry i cant really post more but thinking about this kind of just pisses me off on how stupid that lady was. guess i need a sensitivity group, because i dont feel bad for her at all

08-12-2004, 02:12 PM	#9 (permalink)
Giant Hamburger Gastrolithuanian Location: low-velocity Earth orbit	That story reminds me of one I saw in "News of The Weird" several years ago. Let me go dig it up. clickity clickity click click Huzzah... Julia Schumansky, 64, of Hartsville, Tennesee, underwent surgery for a tumor in her left buttock. Instead of a tumor, doctors found a 4-inch pork chop bone, which they estimated had been there between 5 and 10 years. describing herself as "overweight," she speculates she must have unknowingly sat on the bone, and that the skin grew around it.

08-12-2004, 02:36 PM	#13 (permalink)
Destrox Metal and Rock 4 Life Location: Phoenix	I too guess I am one of those insensitive bastards that feels no sarrow for these people at all. When do they decide that they have a problem? 200lbs overweight? 400? 800???? In no way possible did that weight happen in a short time, it took time and thier own willing self to make it happen. ANd then MY tax dollars pay for thier fat asses, fuck that. Shoot them, and use my money for better things. __________________ You bore me.... next.

08-12-2004, 02:41 PM	#14 (permalink)
Lasereth Knight of the Old Republic Location: Winston-Salem, NC	Yeah, I've seen people that are 400+ pounds that don't look that big. I guess these people are also pretty tall though. Being 4'10" would compact the body frame a lot, but it still seems like she should be able to move...especially if this weight problem degenerated through six years. Oh well, I guess we'll never find out the whole story! -Lasereth __________________ "A Darwinian attacks his theory, seeking to find flaws. An ID believer defends his theory, seeking to conceal flaws." -Roger Ebert

08-12-2004, 03:31 PM	#16 (permalink)
K-Wise It's All About The Ass!! Location: In a pool of mayonnaise!!	^ Holy shit whats that from? W T F???!!!! Asta!! __________________ "I love music and it's my parents fault (closing statement)." - Me..quoting myself...from when I said that...On TFP..thats here...Tilted Forum Project *It ain't goodbye, it's see ya later! I'll miss you guys!* - Asta!!

08-12-2004, 04:26 PM	#17 (permalink)
Blonddie Crazy Location: Southern California	I. too, have a hard time finding sympathy for her (or him). It was never said that they had mental problems that could cause this, so wheres the personal responsibility? I think its gross really. I am curious to find out what happened to the kids she took in. Many crude jokes come to mind.... __________________ "There's one in every family...two in mine actually.."--- Zazu

08-12-2004, 04:31 PM	#18 (permalink)
Scorps Lost!! Location: Kingston, Ontario	I read that story last night on another forum...I want to know how she lived so long just sitting there? __________________ A.K.A. PainTrain

08-12-2004, 04:38 PM	#19 (permalink)
moonstrucksoul hovering in the distance Location: the land of milk and honey	and I thought I was depressed, at least i get off tha couch. my condolences to her family. __________________ no signature required

08-12-2004, 04:54 PM	#20 (permalink)
punx1325 Junkie Location: San Diego	What I don't understand is how the rest of the family lived with her. I mean the smell of feces!?! If it were me, I would have moved out and made her get up. She would either die of starvation or exert some energy and get up to eat... That is just a horrible situation for everyone in that family to deal with. __________________ If something seems too good to be true, then it probably is....

08-12-2004, 05:50 PM	#24 (permalink)
whocarz Jarhead Location: Colorado	The only people I have sympathy for are the cops and fire fighters that had to go into that cesspit and lift this stupid bitch's ass onto a flatbed truck. If you let yourself spiral so out of control that you literally cannot or will not move, then fuck you. __________________ If there exists anything mightier than destiny, then it is the courage to face destiny unflinchingly. -Geibel Despise not death, but welcome it, for nature wills it like all else. -Marcus Aurelius Come on, you sons of bitches! Do you want to live forever? -GySgt. Daniel J. "Dan" Daly

08-12-2004, 06:03 PM	#25 (permalink)
Cowman Psycho	BMI lists her as 100+ thats disgusting. __________________ You don't like my point of view..but im insane

08-12-2004, 06:31 PM	#27 (permalink)
unoaman Loser Location: Scenic Drive	kinda makes me wish I had read this before eating those two bowls of ham and bean soup tonight. What a sad ending to come to a human being, it's fine to say that she was crazy, but at the very least the entire group are / were severly dysfunctional.

08-12-2004, 07:33 PM	#28 (permalink)
anti fishstick Post-modernism meets Individualism AKA the Clash Location: oregon	Well my initial reactions to this was also having no sympathy for her situation. I believe fully on the responsibilities of people and the choices they make. SHE put herself in this disgusting filth.. It was completely her choice and could have been completely her undoing. But then I began to think about the psychology behind her problem. She could have felt so hopeless and embarassed and ashamed that I could easily see why her reaction was the way it was... (Basically, to do nothing) It is an extreme case/situation but it operates on the same levels of typical responses. __________________ And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. ~Anais Nin

08-12-2004, 07:35 PM	#29 (permalink)
Trisk Insane	I have to go with those who have no sympathy for her. I just find it disgusting. Nobody should let themselves, their friends or family get to that point, even if you have to put a gun to their head to make them get up. She has herself to blame for getting that fat but her family and friends are to blame for letting it continue on until this point. They should be ashamed of themselves.

08-12-2004, 07:56 PM	#31 (permalink)
Untitled Guest	Wow, my roommate just told me about this. I honestly don't know what to think here...

08-12-2004, 08:21 PM	#32 (permalink)
Manic_Skafe More Than You Expect Location: Queens	I was surprised to find so much rude and heartless disrespect for that woman. It couldn't be more obvious that her only problem wasn't her wheight - there was obviously something very wrong with her/those who were caring for her if she lived like that for years. Such a small body and so much wheight - I can imagine all the pain that must've been involved with moving let alone getting up...So much suffering for so long - atleast now she won't have to suffer anymore. __________________ "Porn is a zoo of exotic animals that becomes boring upon ownership." -Nersesian

08-12-2004, 08:27 PM	#33 (permalink)
skier Rawr! Location: Edmontania	She ate, slept, shat, and vegetated on that couch for 6 whole years. Wow. How did she get the cash to do absolutly nothing for 6 whole years and eat enough to weigh 480 lbs? Crazy. __________________ "Asking a bomb squad if an old bomb is still "real" is not the best thing to do if you want to save it." - denim

08-12-2004, 11:17 PM	#36 (permalink)
isis Insane Location: In the Woods.	Wouldn't the easy solution to this problem in the first place be: a) refusing food unless she got off the couch b) bringing in some sort of medical professional I don't get how someone can sit somewhere for 6 years. I mean, people must have been bringing her food and whatnot. I'm assuming that she was probably cared for, for quite some time- I think 6 years worth of shat would have probably been a bit more than what was in that house. I bet her caretakers abandoned her a week before this happened due to her obviously reckless, self indulgent behavior. Call me cold hearted, but I have no compassion for people like this. Its their own fault.

08-13-2004, 03:34 AM	#37 (permalink)
Xell101 Junkie	I think it's crazy she became one with the couch! Seeing as how she dind't move from that couch, I wonder what the hell kind of individual would support that lifestyle!

08-13-2004, 04:38 AM	#38 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	It sounds a pretty sordid way to go.. not much dignity. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

08-13-2004, 05:28 AM	#40 (permalink)
The Phenomenon Psycho Location: I think my horns are coming out	:/ disgusting :/ Thanks for sharing __________________ Do not confuse altruism with kindness, good will or respect for the rights of others. These are not primaries, but consequences, which, in fact, altruism makes impossible. The irreducible primary of altruism, the basic absolute, is self-sacrifice - which means: self-immolation, self-abnegation, self-denial, self-destruction - which means: the self as a standard of evil, the selfless as a standard of the good.