Seaver

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040721/D83V82HO0.html

I would say something about how the Phillippean and Spanish withdrawl encourages this... but honestly all I can do is laugh.

jimmyjambam

heh... yeah I don't know why people act like terrorists are super intelligent in the first place.

they are just average people... and we all know the average person is pretty dumb

iamnormal

I heard this a little bit ago and thought What the hell.
I'm begning to think they are not terrorists. They are just nutz who like to cut peoples heads off.

ARTelevision

It's economic blackmail.
The companies that sent their citizens to work on the rebuilding of Iraq's infrastructure are being targeted here.

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Bobaphat

I read that they demanded withdrawal of the businesses from the related countries, not troops. Sounds to me like they just want the rest of the world out of their business. Can't say I agree with their method at all though.

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Averett

Yeah but... aren't terrorists nuts who like to cut peoples heads off?

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Yes and no. Terrorists would have a reason or goal. Not just for shits and giggles.

Polyphobic

This is precisely the reason we do not negotiate with terrorists. You give into one demand and then they force you to capitulate to other demands. In this case the terrorists force one group to leave Iraq by holding their citizens captive and repeat this for other countries.

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68galaxy

Taken from: http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/SKM40715.htm

Quranic verses that dictate beheading Kaffirs:

5:33-“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution (by beheading), or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;”

8:12- “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.”

47:4- “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), strike off their heads; at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.”



9:123: “Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you.”

2:191- “Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from wherever they drove you out.”

5: 45-- “We ordained therein for them: “Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear. Toth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.”

2:193- “Fight them on until there is no more tumult and religion becomes that of Allah”

9:29- "Fight those who do not believe in God and the last day... and fight People of the Book, (Christian and Jews) who do not accept the religion of truth (Islam) until they pay tribute (Zizziya tax) by hand, being inferior.”

8:17-It is not ye who Slew them; it is God; when thou threwest a handful of dust, it was not Thy act, but God’s…..” (Allah is a real merciful indeed!)

TheDave87

i find it amazing that any widespread religion can contain punishments for those who dont share its beleifs.

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SinisterMotives

As if killing themselves because some nutcase tells them they'll be surrounded by virgins in heaven isn't proof enough. Methinks some of them need to get laid in this life.

charlesesl

I think you forgot that the Old Testment were the first to document acts of terror commited by the Hebrews against their surrounding neighbors.

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tropple

This is proof positive that religion is evil and should be abolished and its practicioners beheaded.

War! - huh- yeah-
What is it good for?
Proving that religion is evil!


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68galaxy

[QUOTE]I think you forgot that the Old Testment were the first to document acts of terror commited by the Hebrews against their surrounding neighbors.



I don't believe I've forgotten that at all. One big difference: The Israelis employ Muslims, and have given much of their territory over to them for the past 40 years, and have tried to live peacefully with all those that wish extermination on them. Never mind that there is NO SUCH THING AS A PALESTINIAN!!! Those are squaters from other Arab countries, refugees that those Arab countries turned away, and forced on Israel. Yassir Arafat is a native Egyptian, whose stated goal is to drive all jews into the sea, and he's backed up by the Arab countries that won't even let him come stay. Islam is the 2nd Nazism. Don't think for a moment that the march of Islam over the Earth will end by itself. Its goal is armaggedon by destroying all 'non-believers'. I don't think you can blame the jews, or the biblical scriptures for that.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by 68galaxy

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Islam is the 2nd Nazism. Don't think for a moment that the march of Islam over the Earth will end by itself. Its goal is armaggedon by destroying all 'non-believers'.

Don’t you think that is a little over the top? By claiming what you have said, you incite that they should be removed from the world, meaning you too are destroying and killing people over religion, the very thing you hate about them.
Not wanting to publicly flame you but maby a little growing up is needed, but sadly every religion has its crazy fanatics, not every Islamic person is out for your blood.

Sorry people for going off on that tangent, away from the topic and looking like a know it all n00bie, but the amount of abuse that one Islamic friend of mine from uni gets sometimes because of miss-informed people can really make my blood boil.

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theusername

Oh no he didn't... lol.

NO SUCH THING AS AN AMERICAN! They are white europeans who came over from Europe... Palestinians are people who live in Palestine. There are Palestinians. They deserve their own state but unfortunately can't get it with the joke government they have pulling strings and wanting to remain with the status quo of poverty and violence.

People are people simple as that. The majority of people of all religions want complete peace and harmony, I'd even say freedom. Radical Islam is the 2nd coming of Nazism. That I can agree with. The radical islam that inspires to people to kill all infidels. However mainstream Islam, which 99.9 percent of Muslims follow and believe, is just another religion that helps people cope with their problems and believe and pray to God.

Do you honestly equate a Muslim to a Nazi? I wish people would educate themselves more...

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Baldrick

Wow...just...wow! Many of my very close friends are devout Muslims, and comparing them to Nazi's is one of the most ill informed, uneducated responses I have ever read. Unfortunately, it's not the first time I've heard this redneck philosophy, which sadly explains alot.

Bottom line is that historically, small groups of powerful zealots in all organized religions have promoted extreme violence in the name of their God - and Christianity near the forefront of that with the Crusades and the Inquisitions, just to name a couple. Should we then take it upon ourselves to end the march of Christianity over the earth? You know it won't end itself...

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sailor

Exactly. As always, Art makes a very astute observation.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 68galaxy

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I think you forgot that the Old Testment were the first to document acts of terror commited by the Hebrews against their surrounding neighbors. I don't believe I've forgotten that at all. One big difference: The Israelis employ Muslims, and have given much of their territory over to them for the past 40 years, and have tried to live peacefully with all those that wish extermination on them. Never mind that there is NO SUCH THING AS A PALESTINIAN!!! Those are squaters from other Arab countries, refugees that those Arab countries turned away, and forced on Israel. Yassir Arafat is a native Egyptian, whose stated goal is to drive all jews into the sea, and he's backed up by the Arab countries that won't even let him come stay. Islam is the 2nd Nazism. Don't think for a moment that the march of Islam over the Earth will end by itself. Its goal is armaggedon by destroying all 'non-believers'. I don't think you can blame the jews, or the biblical scriptures for that.

I think that is the most ignorant thing Ive heard all month. Congratulations!

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68galaxy

Ignorant? I don't think so. Have ANY you read Al Jazeera, and most other Mideast news agencies, or found a few of the blogs from conservative arabs coming from the mideast? Why don't some of you try reading some of those things before you go judging me as ignorant. The hatred of jews is promoted in every aspect of Mid-eastern society, television, radio, and schools, and I'm not talking about just colleges & universities. That kind of abject hatred is hammered into the minds of pre-school aged children throughout the mideast. One of the onlyMuslim-dominated nations with a progressive attitude is Turkey. I do MY research with news agencies from around the world, NOT the NYT or CNN.

While it may be true that EVERY religion has had it's own fanaticism, at this moment in history, the sheer power of radical islam rules the mideast in near-absolution. Who in the arab countries speaks out against it? Where are the loud muslim voices denouncing what radical islam has done? They probably have a death-warrant on their heads, just like Salmon Rushdie.

So, instead of jumping to the defense of the indefensible, try doing your homework. I'm not talking about about peace-loving, law-abiding muslims here.

Start your own education here:
www.frontpage.com
www.memri.org
www.jihadwatch.org/

68galaxy

The goals of the 'Palestinian' fateh are as such: Taken directly from their own website!!! Pay special attention to articles 12 & 13

http://www.fateh.net/e_public/constitution.htm

Goals

Article (12) Complete liberation of Palestine, and eradication of Zionist economic, political, military and cultural existence.

Article (13) Establishing an independent democratic state with complete sovereignty on all Palestinian lands, and Jerusalem is its capital city, and protecting the citizens' legal and equal rights without any racial or religious discrimination.

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then, further dow the page we find this:

Method

Article (17) Armed public revolution is the inevitable method to liberating Palestine.

Article (18) Entire dependence on the Palestinian people which is the pedestal forefront and on the Arab Nation as a partner in the fight, and realising actual interaction between the Arab Nation and the Palestinian people by involving the Arab people in the fight through a united Arab front.

Article (19) Armed struggle is a strategy and not a tactic, and the Palestinian Arab People's armed revolution is a decisive factor in the liberation fight and in uprooting the Zionist existence, and this struggle will not cease unless the Zionist state is demolished and Palestine is completely liberated.

Article (20) Achieving mutual understanding with all the national forces participating in the armed struggle to attain the national unity.

Article (21) Revealing the revolutionary nature of the Palestinian identity at the international level, and this does not contradict the everlasting unity between the Arab Nation and the Palestinian people.

Article (22) Opposing any political solution offered as an alternative to demolishing the Zionist occupation in Palestine, as well as any project intended to liquidate the Palestinian case or impose any international mandate on its people.

Article (23) Maintaining relations with Arab countries with the objective of developing the positive aspects in their attitudes with the proviso that the armed struggle is not negatively affected.

Article (24) Maintaining relations with all liberal forces supporting our just struggle in order to resist together Zionism and imperialism.

Article (25) Convincing concerned countries in the world to prevent Jewish immigration to Palestine as a method of solving the problem.

apeman

that's spelled Salman Rushdie btw ... but I think they're all pretty mental down around there both Israelis and Arabs, unfortunately

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water_boy1999

I think it is imperative in this argument to note that all Islamic fundamentalists do not share the view of armaggedon. It is the radical movement that wants to eradicate all non-believers.

Let's keep this civil too please.

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sailor

Why yes, I have. Have you? Really? Without an agenda? It sure doesnt sound like it.

Seriously, to generalize and say that all Arabs are Nazis reincarnated just reeks of dumbass. Admittedly, there are extremists, but you know--there are extremist Christians too. Ever heard of Waco? Extremists of any sort are bad news, and by their very nature, make the news more than more middle-line people.

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68galaxy

quote: Why yes, I have. Have you? Really? Without an agenda? It sure doesnt sound like it.

Seriously, to generalize and say that all Arabs are Nazis reincarnated just reeks of dumbass. Admittedly, there are extremists, but you know--there are extremist Christians too. Ever heard of Waco? Extremists of any sort are bad news, and by their very nature, make the news more than more middle-line people.
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Dumbass? Piss off. Where did I claim that all Arabs are Nazi's??? Get it straight, I never claimed that. Arabs come with many different religions, not everyone is a muslim, BUT, yes I do make the statement that Islamic Radicalism rules the mideast.

Nearly 50 people per year are beheaded publicly in the 'Arabian Penninsula'. The fight for democracy is being squashed in Iran, and Iran has not only welcomed top Al Qaeda leaders to stay, they have put out a cattle call (state-sponsored) for all disenchanted, young muslims to join the suicidal legions of radical islam. The only reason the Saudis, Jordan, Pakistan, and Libya have complied with us is fear of what we might do to them. They have only complied publicly, though... These states still sponsor and harbor rather large terrorist organizations. Syria & Egypt, even though they have treaties with Israel, broadcast on public radio & television that Israel, and its Jewish inhabitants must be destroyed.

Islamism IS absolutely full of anti-semitism, whether you like it or not. Do I claim that all muslims want our heads? No, of course I cannot make that kind of generalization. Ponder this: If 99% of Islam is peaceful, then why haven't they attempted, as a whole, to drive radical islamicists from their midst?

You say that there are radical christians? True, but, how can you seriously compare the scope and breadth of radical islam to that of a very small few groups or individuals that call themselves christian.

This is not just a few radicals, as you claim. It is a large, widespread movement over many countries. Should we jail or mistreat muslims for their religion? No, of course not. I do believe in freedom of religion, but that also means that I don't want my religious freedom stepped upon by Islam.

I have talked with Islamics myself, and damn what an attitude. One man came from L.A., and just couldn't stand the sight of a hooker, he even claimed that ALL whores should have their 'HEADS CUT OFF', and that 'WOMEN SHOULD KNOW THEIR PLACE'.

Seaver

Please calm down on both sides. Go have some ice-tea, take a shower, or rub one off. Just relax please, keep it civil.

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