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StickODynomite · 09-16-2004, 10:01 AM

There are a ton of mormons around here that ride their bikes in 105+ weather. Yeah they're a dedicated bunch. They're so dedicated that they have time to check me out when they're preachin' to me.

Oh, and I do see more mormons at my door than i do JWs. That's for sure.

MrsRight41401 · 09-16-2004, 10:07 AM

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http://www.exmormon.org/tract2.htm
Not scripture, I know, but intresting reading none the less.

Want to ask something specific from there. Those are the typical anti stuff and a lot of it was taken out of context... I can talk about hings but all at once it's more than I'm going to type out here. However, this is getting into INCREDIBLY deep doctrine and unless you understand the very basic fundamentals of our religion some of it will remain confusing. LOL

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Is it a mission of mormons to gather up the lineage of Lehi so the coming can occur?

I refer you to LDS scripture: Moses 1:39

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"For this is my work and my glory to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man."

We believe that this was Jesus Christ's mission on Earth. This all encompassing mission is the purpose for suffering in the Garden of Gethsemane, dying on the cross and the resurrection 3 days later. We now attempt to spread His word to give ever man woman and child the opportunity to hear His word and make a choice to accept it or not. That's our mission.

The Article of faith your refer to:

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“We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.”

Is more of what we believe the result of the latter-days to be. This is what we believe about the 2nd coming basically. That the earth will be renewed - cleansed as spoken of in Revelations and that it will become as it was when Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden - a paradise. We also believe that Zion will be here on the American continent.

Rachel

MrsRight41401 · 09-16-2004, 10:09 AM

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There are a ton of mormons around here that ride their bikes in 105+ weather. Yeah they're a dedicated bunch. They're so dedicated that they have time to check me out when they're preachin' to me.
Oh, and I do see more mormons at my door than i do JWs. That's for sure.

What part of Arizona. I was born in Flagstaff, lived in Holbrook, Palo Verde and graduated from Centennial High School in Peoria Arizona. And yes, there are a WHOLE lot of Mormons there. LOL

muchtomydelight · 09-16-2004, 10:10 AM

Is the PoGP viewed as scripture? Because if it is, there is no way im gonna believe ANY of it.

MrsRight41401 · 09-16-2004, 10:11 AM

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Just a point for you that you might find interesting: being jewish, in the correct sense, not common usage, is also not lineage related. Being an Israeli is lineage. So christians (especially the earliest ones) made claim that they were "jewish" and in fact the truest jews, being chosen and all that. So you would have a lot in common with christian fundamentalists along with some mainstream denominations if you believed that you are a 'true' jew (in the metaphorical sense). (and some jewish people support that ).

LOL - I actually knew that but I'm running on 30 minutes sleep and I'm watching two toddlers... both my own. LOL I'm brain fried.

MrsRight41401 · 09-16-2004, 10:12 AM

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Is the PoGP viewed as scripture? Because if it is, there is no way im gonna believe ANY of it.

Yes.

Rachel

MrsRight41401 · 09-16-2004, 10:12 AM

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Is the PoGP viewed as scripture? Because if it is, there is no way im gonna believe ANY of it.

And why not? Just out of curiousity...

Rachel

smooth · 09-16-2004, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MrsRight41401

LOL - I actually knew that but I'm running on 30 minutes sleep and I'm watching two toddlers... both my own. LOL I'm brain fried.

Hey Rachel,

Thanks for taking the time to answer my Q's.

Laters, and get some sleep

muchtomydelight · 09-16-2004, 10:19 AM

http://scriptures.lds.org/abr/4

There is only one God. I can find TONS of scripture to back that up.

MrsRight41401 · 09-16-2004, 10:32 AM

http://scriptures.lds.org/ex/20/3

We have no other Gods before Him. But we believe that there are other Gods.

Rachel

Halx · 09-16-2004, 10:32 AM

After both living in a neighborhood with many mormons, later dating one for 6 months, then talking with many non-Mormons who live in SLC, I have come to the conclusion that while these people will defend their religion to the death, it's a really bad way to live. Members of their religion hold aloft the entire anti-depressant drug market in Utah. When you extract them individually from their environment of peers, they become disoriented and unable to function in society for a time. Just like any other religion, they villainize symptoms of problems, and not actual causes, thus never really fixing anything, just creating jobs for people who wish to fight the war on sex, drugs and rock & roll.

I could go on, but despite my utter dislike for my ex, I won't completely defile all of the things she entrusted to me.

muchtomydelight · 09-16-2004, 10:32 AM

http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/132/15-20#15
So I can be God if i do what Joseph Smith tells me to?

MrsRight41401 · 09-16-2004, 10:33 AM

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Thanks for taking the time to answer my Q's.

Laters, and get some sleep

Can't sleep til 8 PM at least tonight.
LOL

Thanks and ttyl

Rachel

MrsRight41401 · 09-16-2004, 10:34 AM

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http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/132/15-20#15
So I can be God if i do what Joseph Smith tells me to?

We can all become like God. It is a state of Eternal Progression. Not a sudden occurrence but a slow and steady evolution.

Rachel

muchtomydelight · 09-16-2004, 10:38 AM

You mean we can become like "Gods"-
I have major issues with the LDS creation model.

MrsRight41401 · 09-16-2004, 10:41 AM

No - we are not the "Gods" children. We are God's children. So we are striving to become like Him... not Them.

I can understand having issues with the LDS Creation model. Before gaining a testimony of the creation model other things must be understood and prayed about. One thing that we will never ask is blind acceptance. There are many who do blindly accept and that is VERY against our doctrines. We are told to find out for ourselves.

Rachel

muchtomydelight · 09-16-2004, 10:59 AM

So there is the God of Abraham, and then some other gods just hangin out? A "god" is something that is worshiped, and my God is a jealous God, and would never like that.

muchtomydelight · 09-16-2004, 11:02 AM

what part of GA are you from? I am in thomson, 30 min west of augusta. And thanks for answering my questions.

MrsRight41401 · 09-16-2004, 11:04 AM

I'm in Hinesville. And no problem.

And I'm gonna have to get back to you when I'm more awake on the plurality of God's thing. But I woudl like to continue this - maybe in private message so as not to mob the board.

Rachel

MrsRight41401 · 09-16-2004, 11:06 AM

Oh Halx - I apologize ahead of time for the majority of Mormons in SLC. Utah mormons can be such jackasses.

Rachel

muchtomydelight · 09-16-2004, 11:11 AM

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Utah mormons can be such jackasses.

Oh man. thats good stuff. An IM conversation would be nice. You wont convert me, but Id rather not be ignorant to others beliefs. Any Muslims around here?

punx1325 · 09-16-2004, 03:55 PM

I stopped believing in religions a long time ago, and I've never been happier. My mother always forced me to go to church and I would just fall asleep. I believe that there is a higher being to a certain point, and then live my life by morals and values. My friend is mormon and I always felt bad for him, because he acted so strict with life and missed out on all the fun events. But it makes him happy so it works for me.

Irishsean · 09-16-2004, 06:52 PM

As someone who lives in "Mormon country" they annoy the piss out of me, for the most part. Yes, there are some great people that happen to be mormons. There are also some ridiculous idiots that do everything they can to ram their little black book down your throat.

I can understand a religion that follows the teachings of Jesus, or Mohammed, or Buddha, but a religion started by "Joe Smith"?

Tovie · 09-16-2004, 07:13 PM

I used to be Mormon. And they always find me hahaha even after moving half way across the country. I don't mind the missionaries at all though, even though my family is no longer members they helped us move on several occasions, and although they continually try to get us to become active in the church again they have never been too pushy about it. I always make sure to stop and say hi to any missionaries I see as well. Plus I do defend the religion to this day because so many people have such ignorant views about what the Mormon lifestyle is about.

shakran · 09-16-2004, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by brian1975

i've never understood that type of thing, why do churches or religious people have to try and convert people, like the signs outside of churchs with there little "slogans". do they get comission from the church or something? and why the need to knock on my door at 8am sat mornings.....grrr

because the religions believe that you will go to hell if you don't believe in the right religion, and, being nice people, they don't want to see you set on fire forever.

tspikes51 · 09-16-2004, 09:21 PM

If the rest of the Protestants would take a lesson from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (their persisatnce and their firm belief), we would be much better off.

09-16-2004, 10:01 AM	#41 (permalink)
StickODynomite Insane Location: Arizona :\|	There are a ton of mormons around here that ride their bikes in 105+ weather. Yeah they're a dedicated bunch. They're so dedicated that they have time to check me out when they're preachin' to me. Oh, and I do see more mormons at my door than i do JWs. That's for sure. __________________ "The human mind is like a parachute, it works best when open."

09-16-2004, 10:32 AM	#50 (permalink)
MrsRight41401 Tilted Location: Georgia	http://scriptures.lds.org/ex/20/3 We have no other Gods before Him. But we believe that there are other Gods. Rachel __________________ Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. Dr. Seuss

09-16-2004, 10:32 AM	#51 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	After both living in a neighborhood with many mormons, later dating one for 6 months, then talking with many non-Mormons who live in SLC, I have come to the conclusion that while these people will defend their religion to the death, it's a really bad way to live. Members of their religion hold aloft the entire anti-depressant drug market in Utah. When you extract them individually from their environment of peers, they become disoriented and unable to function in society for a time. Just like any other religion, they villainize symptoms of problems, and not actual causes, thus never really fixing anything, just creating jobs for people who wish to fight the war on sex, drugs and rock & roll. I could go on, but despite my utter dislike for my ex, I won't completely defile all of the things she entrusted to me. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

09-16-2004, 10:41 AM	#56 (permalink)
MrsRight41401 Tilted Location: Georgia	No - we are not the "Gods" children. We are God's children. So we are striving to become like Him... not Them. I can understand having issues with the LDS Creation model. Before gaining a testimony of the creation model other things must be understood and prayed about. One thing that we will never ask is blind acceptance. There are many who do blindly accept and that is VERY against our doctrines. We are told to find out for ourselves. Rachel __________________ Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. Dr. Seuss

09-16-2004, 11:04 AM	#59 (permalink)
MrsRight41401 Tilted Location: Georgia	I'm in Hinesville. And no problem. And I'm gonna have to get back to you when I'm more awake on the plurality of God's thing. But I woudl like to continue this - maybe in private message so as not to mob the board. Rachel __________________ Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. Dr. Seuss

09-16-2004, 10:10 AM	#44 (permalink)
muchtomydelight Upright Location: Thomson GA	Is the PoGP viewed as scripture? Because if it is, there is no way im gonna believe ANY of it.

09-16-2004, 10:19 AM	#49 (permalink)
muchtomydelight Upright Location: Thomson GA	http://scriptures.lds.org/abr/4 There is only one God. I can find TONS of scripture to back that up.

09-16-2004, 10:32 AM	#52 (permalink)
muchtomydelight Upright Location: Thomson GA	http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/132/15-20#15 So I can be God if i do what Joseph Smith tells me to?

09-16-2004, 10:38 AM	#55 (permalink)
muchtomydelight Upright Location: Thomson GA	You mean we can become like "Gods"- I have major issues with the LDS creation model.

09-16-2004, 10:59 AM	#57 (permalink)
muchtomydelight Upright Location: Thomson GA	So there is the God of Abraham, and then some other gods just hangin out? A "god" is something that is worshiped, and my God is a jealous God, and would never like that.

09-16-2004, 11:02 AM	#58 (permalink)
muchtomydelight Upright Location: Thomson GA	what part of GA are you from? I am in thomson, 30 min west of augusta. And thanks for answering my questions.

09-16-2004, 11:06 AM	#60 (permalink)
MrsRight41401 Tilted Location: Georgia	Oh Halx - I apologize ahead of time for the majority of Mormons in SLC. Utah mormons can be such jackasses. Rachel __________________ Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. Dr. Seuss

09-16-2004, 03:55 PM	#62 (permalink)
punx1325 Junkie Location: San Diego	I stopped believing in religions a long time ago, and I've never been happier. My mother always forced me to go to church and I would just fall asleep. I believe that there is a higher being to a certain point, and then live my life by morals and values. My friend is mormon and I always felt bad for him, because he acted so strict with life and missed out on all the fun events. But it makes him happy so it works for me. __________________ If something seems too good to be true, then it probably is....

09-16-2004, 06:52 PM	#63 (permalink)
Irishsean edited for content Location: Austin, TX	As someone who lives in "Mormon country" they annoy the piss out of me, for the most part. Yes, there are some great people that happen to be mormons. There are also some ridiculous idiots that do everything they can to ram their little black book down your throat. I can understand a religion that follows the teachings of Jesus, or Mohammed, or Buddha, but a religion started by "Joe Smith"?

09-16-2004, 07:13 PM	#64 (permalink)
Tovie Upright Location: Ontario	I used to be Mormon. And they always find me hahaha even after moving half way across the country. I don't mind the missionaries at all though, even though my family is no longer members they helped us move on several occasions, and although they continually try to get us to become active in the church again they have never been too pushy about it. I always make sure to stop and say hi to any missionaries I see as well. Plus I do defend the religion to this day because so many people have such ignorant views about what the Mormon lifestyle is about. Last edited by Tovie; 09-16-2004 at 07:35 PM..

09-16-2004, 09:21 PM	#66 (permalink)
tspikes51 Fuckin' A Location: Lex Vegas	If the rest of the Protestants would take a lesson from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (their persisatnce and their firm belief), we would be much better off. __________________ "I'm telling you, we need to get rid of a few people or a million." -Maddox