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Strange Famous · 06-26-2004, 07:11 AM

in town today, two Mormon missionary's came up to me and tried to get me interested in their religion. Which is normal I suppose - except I am wearing a tee shirt that has Hebrew writing all over the front, and still they try and convert me and talk to me about their church!

They do kind of annoy me, but they have a right to preach their religion, and they were very polite and everything.

H12 · 06-26-2004, 07:28 AM

Well, maybe if those were dyslexic missionaries...nah. Heh, I guess they're just trying too hard and weren't payin' attention. No biggy.

ubertuber · 06-26-2004, 07:55 AM

Your shirt makes you the perfect person to convert - someone who isn't Mormon yet. They'd be wasting their time if they hung out and recruited where people were already Mormon.

ultra_agent9 · 06-26-2004, 07:55 AM

I live in Tokyo and I walked past a couple of glum looking Mormans on the train station wearing their psuedo-agent uniforms.

I couldn't help but laugh to myself as I walked by...

ARTelevision · 06-26-2004, 08:03 AM

heh - ubertuber's point is illuminating.

analog · 06-26-2004, 10:08 AM

I guess they figured they'd go as far away from Utah as they could get, and work their way back in, because I get a shitload of them down here in Florida.

I do not begrudge them their perceived duty, what I am unhappy with is the way in which they present themselves and their material. They basically will tell you to your face that you will go to hell because you're not mormon.

Of course, i've had baptist and several other religions' missionaries tell me the same thing. That is horrible.

Halx · 06-26-2004, 10:34 AM

I don't have to admire anyone who wont accept me for who I am, how I live my life, where I'm going, and the fact that I'm fuckin' OKAY with all of it.

ngdawg · 06-26-2004, 10:40 AM

Sure they were Mormon and not Jehovah Witnesses? We have friends who are devout Mormons and they NEVER push their religion on anyone.
Jehovah Witnesses, on the other hand, go door to door and solicit. One of my dearest friends in the world is a JW minister and we get into some heated debates at times.
Some of the personal values of these religions are the same, in considering alcohol, caffeine, nicotine, etc.
Jehovah Witness do not celebrate anything, from Christmas to birthdays. They do not call it 'heaven', it is 'paradise' and only a chosen few will go.

User Name · 06-26-2004, 10:47 AM

Um well...wasn't a part of the Bible written in Hebrew or something?

miggity99 · 06-26-2004, 11:36 AM

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Originally posted by ngdawg
Sure they were Mormon and not Jehovah Witnesses? We have friends who are devout Mormons and they NEVER push their religion on anyone.
Jehovah Witnesses, on the other hand, go door to door and solicit. One of my dearest friends in the world is a JW minister and we get into some heated debates at times.
Some of the personal values of these religions are the same, in considering alcohol, caffeine, nicotine, etc.
Jehovah Witness do not celebrate anything, from Christmas to birthdays. They do not call it 'heaven', it is 'paradise' and only a chosen few will go.

I've actually seen more mormons go door to door than JWs. I have no beef with them, they can do whatever the hell they want. If they want to come to my door, that's cool, I usually just say I'm not interested and I'm very happy with my religion. Mormons are usually very polite and nice.

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Um well...wasn't a part of the Bible written in Hebrew or something?

The Old Testament was written in Hebrew.

canuckguy · 06-26-2004, 11:51 AM

i've never understood that type of thing, why do churches or religious people have to try and convert people, like the signs outside of churchs with there little "slogans". do they get comission from the church or something? and why the need to knock on my door at 8am sat mornings.....grrr

rat · 06-26-2004, 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by miggity99
The Old Testament was written in Hebrew.

Aramaic and Hebrew are actually two different languages.

Boo · 06-26-2004, 12:22 PM

I have had some of the rudest mormons at my door. I do not want to listen to thier speach or join their Billion Dollar Tax Free Corporation. IMO - They need to declare their earnings and be taxed. Any church with that pile of money and their corporatism has no right to a tax exemption. If the athiests got together and worshipped trees would they get the same benefits?

They won't take no thanks for an answer. So I just tell them to leave before I call their boss or the police.

Cujo · 06-26-2004, 02:29 PM

Actually I've never had a problem with the mormons. They knock, you answer the door and say "No thanks I'm not interested" and they politly excuse themselves and leave. Its the friggin Jehovah's Ninjas that make me insane. I think the whole fuckin crew of em (in my town anyway) are brain dead. From now on when I see them hiking it up my driveway I'm gonna strip off and answer the door in the buff. If that doesn't scare em off I don't know what will.

Sion · 06-26-2004, 04:06 PM

actually, the original texts from which the bible was culled were written in Greek, Latin, Hebrew and Aramaic, depending on which of the books to which you are referring.

KellyC · 06-26-2004, 06:05 PM

the mormons over here seems to get the hint after the first time...

Chingal0 · 06-27-2004, 11:11 AM

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Originally posted by Halx
I don't have to admire anyone who wont accept me for who I am, how I live my life, where I'm going, and the fact that I'm fuckin' OKAY with all of it.

Exactly.

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Originally posted by KellyC
the mormons over here seems to get the hint after the first time...

Unfortunately, this is true for me as well. I just wish they would come back, I miss the conversation!

denim · 06-28-2004, 06:56 AM

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Originally posted by Chingal0
I just wish they would come back, I miss the conversation!

I expect you'll find they'll welcome you if you want to come to them. It's not illegal to do that.

matteo101 · 06-28-2004, 07:57 AM

Good old Mormons...thinking we care and all...they need love too

Yakk · 06-28-2004, 08:02 AM

A good mormon man will spend a few years trying to convert people (on "mission") sometime around the age of 20.

Most religions believe those who do not follow the belief will go to hell, or some equally undesireable result. And those who follow the religion will get some desireable result. Some religions disagree, and believe that desire itself is not a goal, but that's just a flaw in my use of language: apologies.

There are 3 ways for a religion to grow. The first is breeding and indoctrinating your kids. The second is converting others to your faith actively. And the last is converting others to your faith passively. And religions that do not grow eventually die: the religions you see around are all very good at growing (or, at the least, preventing shrinkage).

A neat example of a religion that failed in this was the deists of the time around the American war of Independance (having amoung it's members a number of the USA's revolutionary fathers). It failed to continue to propagate, and it died out.

mystmarimatt · 06-28-2004, 08:21 AM

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Originally posted by analog
I guess they figured they'd go as far away from Utah as they could get, and work their way back in, because I get a shitload of them down here in Florida.

Hehe, you might be seeing a friend of mine soon, He just got his mission call, and it's for Florida.

I live in a heavily Mormon populated town, and many of my close friends are Mormon. They are respectful of all of my beliefs, and those of my other non-Mormon friends, albeit if deep down both sides realize the Mormons think our beliefs our subordinate to theirs. Which doesn't really bug me, as we all quietly think their beliefs are crap, too.

But I'll hand it to them, for the most part, they really know how to raise kind, caring people, such as evidenced by my friends and their family's, so, long as they know i've no interest in converting, i've got no qualms with them.

Willy · 06-28-2004, 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by brian1975
i've never understood that type of thing, why do churches or religious people have to try and convert people, like the signs outside of churchs with there little "slogans". do they get comission from the church or something? and why the need to knock on my door at 8am sat mornings.....grrr

They believe that you WILL go to hell if you don't find God. In theory at least, they are trying to save you eternal torture. Now I'm sure there are missionarys that have less noble motivations, money for the church, heightened standing with their peers, their own sense of self-satisfaction, etc., but the real reason for evangelism is to spread the word and save souls from hell. Seriously, if you were about to walk down a stairway that someone at the top knew had a pack of hungry tigers at the bottoom, wouldn't you want them to tell you about it?

It's your choice whether or not to believe these missionarys, but you shouldn't be offended by them approaching you. In their mind, they're trying to do you a favor.

animosity · 06-29-2004, 09:38 AM

i dont mind them, i actually enjoy talking to them... i tell them right off that i dont believe the same as them. but that i wouldnt mind talking to them about it if they are bored and just want to talk.

or... if i am having a bad day i come to the door in only my boxers and try to work the words "fuck" and "shit" into every thing i say...

water_boy1999 · 06-29-2004, 12:37 PM

...and yet one more reason I have strayed from any and all religion.

I simple "no thank you" and closing the door on their face will usually suffice.

arcane · 06-29-2004, 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by Chingal0
Unfortunately, this is true for me as well. I just wish they would come back, I miss the conversation! [/B]

go onto the lds (latter day saints) website and order a book of mormon. that puts you on a list to have missionaries come to your door. fun thing to do as a joke on one of your friends.

Esco · 06-29-2004, 08:51 PM

I had some mormons come to the door a few months back and I promised them I would look into their religion online. I sure was surprised on the information I found.

Has anybody else done research on the history of the Mormon church??

Small link of what I was talking about. I spent hours going through this site. link

MrsRight41401 · 09-16-2004, 12:11 AM

I know that I'm going to be farely rare here, but I'm LDS (Mormon) and I have some light to shed...

1. We do not believe that you go to hell if your not Mormon. We don't even really believe in the normal Christian kind of hell. We believe more that Hell is a state of mind.

2. If ANY Mormon Missionary ever tries to force his or her religion on you - more than just asking you if they can have a moment of your time - and you say no and they keep pushing... PLEASE contact a local authority with that Elder or Sister's name. This is a BIG no-no. We're not out there to force, we're out their to invite.

Sorry to interject... thought all your comments were hillariously well put.

Rachel

bermuDa · 09-16-2004, 12:32 AM

my sister is mormon and when her friends from the ward call and she isn't around they always try to ask me about my beliefs and are surprised to hear that I'm not mormon. They ask me about this and that, and say "oh yeah, that's cool..." and try to link it back to mormonism... I call it the obnoxious passivism approach

kind of reminds me of military recruiters, only a bit less intense

MrsRight41401 · 09-16-2004, 12:44 AM

Heh - sounds about right. I used to do that, don't anymore. After getting bamboozled by Army recruiters...

smooth · 09-16-2004, 07:08 AM

Hey, MrsRight,

Don't mormons believe they are one of the lost tribe of Israel?

From my short experiences in SLC, I'd think that the mormons talking to Strange Famous were feeling a type of affinity more than anything else.

muchtomydelight · 09-16-2004, 07:59 AM

Mormans believe that the church as Gods institution died with the apostles. While Jesus was on earth for his 40 days of ressurection, he dropped by some cave in New York and had the book of mormon written on some gold plates in a cave in new york. Joseph Smith recieved a vision from an angel to go get and translate these plates. 12 people saw them. It was then Smiths job to restart the church. So that means that no one went to heaven from ~100 AD to ~1830 AD. Anywho, I asked the Mormans that stopped by here one day about a few passages in the Bible where it says "and 3000 were saved that day" and a few other things that dispelled their entire religion and they never came back.

MrsRight41401 · 09-16-2004, 08:41 AM

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Don't mormons believe they are one of the lost tribe of Israel?

No, we believe we are adopted into the covenant people by the covenant of baptism when we take upon ourselves the name of Jesus Christ. Just as a baby is adopted into a family, with all teh rights therein, we are adopted by taking upon ourselves the name of Christ into the promise that God gave Abraham.

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While Jesus was on earth for his 40 days of ressurection, he dropped by some cave in New York and had the book of mormon written on some gold plates in a cave in new york.

Not quite. The Book of Mormon, the modern day translation of the golden plates you are referring to, is a record of the people of Nephi from 600 AD until 400 AD. After Jesus's resurrection he visited the people of Nephi on the American Continents. We don't know where on the continent.

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Anywho, I asked the Mormans that stopped by here one day about a few passages in the Bible where it says "and 3000 were saved that day" and a few other things that dispelled their entire religion and they never came back.

I'd love to hear what scriptures you referred to. Please pass them on!

Rachel

muchtomydelight · 09-16-2004, 08:51 AM

then why was christianity new to the native americans? The scripture was in Acts, Ill dig it up. BTW, I am not looking for trouble, as I am sure you are not either.

MrsRight41401 · 09-16-2004, 08:59 AM

If you look at the legends of the Natives in South America, you find that there are MANY legends that support the Book of Mormon. Especially among Peruvian Natives. And just like any oral record things have changed over the years. However, when Cortez landed and was welcomed so whole heartedly it was because they believed he was the god their legends promised would return to them.

Also - at the end of the Book of Mormon - 200 years after Christ visited the Americas, the Nephite people were destroyed by the Lamanite people - both descendants from the same family because they had slipped into wickedness. The plates were buried by Moroni - the last prophet of the Nephites after the war.

Look forward to the scriptures and no, I'm not looking for trouble. I am just talking with some new acquaintances on one of the must mature boards I've ever found. I've got some great jokes about my religion if you wanna hear them. :-)

Rachel

smooth · 09-16-2004, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MrsRight41401

If you look at the legends of the Natives in South America, you find that there are MANY legends that support the Book of Mormon. Especially among Peruvian Natives. And just like any oral record things have changed over the years. However, when Cortez landed and was welcomed so whole heartedly it was because they believed he was the god their legends promised would return to them.

Also - at the end of the Book of Mormon - 200 years after Christ visited the Americas, the Nephite people were destroyed by the Lamanite people - both descendants from the same family because they had slipped into wickedness. The plates were buried by Moroni - the last prophet of the Nephites after the war.

Look forward to the scriptures and no, I'm not looking for trouble. I am just talking with some new acquaintances on one of the must mature boards I've ever found. I've got some great jokes about my religion if you wanna hear them. :-)

Rachel

OK, I'm confused because I'm not Mormon. But I read some of the book of Mormon and I read some of their history. Then here you are referencing the Nephites and Lamanites.

So I googled around and found this:

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Who Were the Book of Mormon People:

"Accounts of three major migrations from the Old World to the New World are provided in the Book of Mormon. Most of the text consists of records maintained by the Nephite people, which descended from a group that left Jerusalem in 600 B.C. That group, consisting of the family of Lehi and others, split into two rival groups which became known as the Nephites (descended from Nephi) and the Lamanites (descended from Laman, eldest son of Lehi). These groups seem to have gained strength and numbers by incorporating (possibly conquering?) other diverse peoples in the area, as anthropologist John Sorensen ably documents in his article, "When Lehi's Party Arrived in the Land, Did They Find Others There," Journal of Book of Mormon Studies, 1(1): 1-34 (1992), Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies, Provo, Utah.

In the Book of Ether, a condensed account is offered of the ancient Jaredites, a people which escaped the dramatic changes occurring at the time of the tower of Babel. They were led by the Lord to construct unique, sealed vessels (with provisions for ventilation and miraculous provisions for lighting) in which they traversed the Atlantic to the New World, establishing a civilization that could correspond with or be tied to the Olmecs (based on the stimulating analysis of Dr. John Sorensen in his monumental book, An Ancient American Setting for the Book of Mormon, Deseret Book Comp., S.L.C., UT, 1985. This civilization showed marked differences in culture and government compared to the Nephites and Lamanites, though they suffered similar destruction in the end. The story is a stunning tragedy of man's rejection of God.

Another migration to the New World occurred around 588 B.C. when some survivors of the Babylonian invasion of Jerusalem (including Mulek, of royal blood) fled to the New World (details are not provided - the journey may have been made with the help of Phoenician sailors). The Mulekites had been on their own for several generations when the Nephites joined forces with them."

--http://www.jefflindsay.com/BOMIntro.shtml#9

and this:

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Mormon Scripture: The Articles of Faith, Part XXIV
By Marvin W. Cowan
The tenth LDS Article of Faith states, “We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.” In this Article, LDS leaders and scripture
define Christian terms with meanings which are foreign to historic Christianity. For example, Mormons believe “the literal gathering of Israel” will bring the “ten lost tribes” and Book of Mormon “Lamanites” together in America, while the tribe of Judah will be gathered to the
area around Jerusalem. They also believe when the “lost ten tribes” of Israel left the land of their captivity they went to an undisclosed location in the “frozen north” from whence they will return to Zion in America as Elder George Reynolds wrote on pages 10-11 of Are We of Israel?

At the semi-annual LDS conference on October 8, 1916, Mormon Apostle James E. Talmage said, “The (lost ten) tribes shall…be brought forth as hath been predicted: and I say unto you there are those now living—aye, some here present—who shall live to read the records of the Lost Tribes of Israel, which shall be made one with the record of the Jews, or the Holy Bible, and the record of the Nephites, or the Book of Mormon, even as
the Lord hath predicted; and those records... shall tell of the visit of the resurrected Christ to them, after he had manifested Himself to the Nephites upon this continent” (Articles of Faith by Talmage, p. 513). His prediction was based upon 3 Nephi 16:1-4 and 17:4 in the Book of Mormon, which says Christ would appear to the lost tribes of Israel and they would
record His visit in a new book of scripture. Talmage said that Christ would visit the lost tribes of Israel in the North Country and they would record His visit in a book of scripture and bring it with them to Zion in America in the last days where it would be joined with the Bible and the Book of Mormon. Talmage also said that some who heard him speak in 1916 would live to read that new scripture. Talmage’s message was given 87 years ago and the “lost tribes” still haven’t arrived in “Zion.” So, even if they wrote a book of scripture, it isn’t available to read which means this was a false prophecy.

Joseph Smith said he received a revelation on September 22 and 23, 1832, about Zion and a temple to be built there. It says, A revelation of Jesus Christ unto his servant Joseph Smith, Jun., and six elders, as they united their hearts and lifted their voices on high. Yea, the word of the Lord concerning his church, established in the last days for the restoration of his people, as he has spoken by the mouth of his prophets, and for the gathering of his saints to stand upon Mount Zion, which shall be the city of New Jerusalem. Which city shall be built, beginning at the temple
lot, which is appointed by the finger of the Lord, in the western boundaries of the State of Missouri, and dedicated by the hand of Joseph Smith, Jun., and others with whom the Lord was well pleased. Verily this is the word of the Lord, that the city New Jerusalem shall be built by the gathering of the saints, beginning at this place, even the place of the temple, which temple shall be reared in this generation. For verily this generation shall not all pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it which cloud shall be even the glory of the Lord, which shall fill the house (Doctrine & Covenants, Sec. 84:1-4"

-- http://www.johnankerberg.org/Article...s/AP1W0903.pdf

And I'm wondering whether the mormons don't trace their lineage back to Lehi? That's what I was referring to in my comment about being another literal tribe of Israel--not metaphorical as you responded. But maybe there are different denominations of Mormon? I just picked this stuff up while I was in SLC and talking to people, I don't really know too many practicing Mormons. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what I'm reading. Thank you for explaining some aspects of your religion to me.

Sorry for the formatting, it's coming out all wonky.

MrsRight41401 · 09-16-2004, 09:46 AM

No. Some Native Americans of pure desent can be traced back to Lehi's line - which is the line of Ephraim and Mannasah (sp?). Being Mormon is not a lineage like being a Jew.

Rachel

MrsRight41401 · 09-16-2004, 09:48 AM

BTW - Sorry about jumping ahead and referencing to Lamanites and Nephites - Iforget that not everyone is versed in those terms. LOL - My 23 year old brain getting ahead of me again.

Lebell · 09-16-2004, 09:51 AM

I've lost track of how many times I've been told I'm going to hell.

Fortunately, I've been forgiven at least that many

muchtomydelight · 09-16-2004, 09:56 AM

http://www.exmormon.org/tract2.htm
Not scripture, I know, but intresting reading none the less.

smooth · 09-16-2004, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MrsRight41401

No. Some Native Americans of pure desent can be traced back to Lehi's line - which is the line of Ephraim and Mannasah (sp?). Being Mormon is not a lineage like being a Jew.

Rachel

Thanks for clearing that up. Is it a mission of mormons to gather up the lineage of Lehi so the coming can occur?

I think you posted after I edited and added the article of faith that I was stumbling over.

ah, after reading this newest link it looks like the Book of Mormon is believed to be written by one of the lost tribes--as in, that's its authenticity.

But followers of the Book of Mormon do not claim to be the actual descendents, except metaphorically.

Just a point for you that you might find interesting: being jewish, in the correct sense, not common usage, is also not lineage related. Being an Israeli is lineage. So christians (especially the earliest ones) made claim that they were "jewish" and in fact the truest jews, being chosen and all that. So you would have a lot in common with christian fundamentalists along with some mainstream denominations if you believed that you are a 'true' jew (in the metaphorical sense). (and some jewish people support that

).

Oh yeah, and even the Jewish faith allows that converts were really just 'lost' jews. So it's interesting in all the mix of seperating ideas so often attributed to religious movements that the people within those movements have established a theological underpinning for unification.

06-26-2004, 07:11 AM	#1 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	You have to admire the persistance of Mormons in town today, two Mormon missionary's came up to me and tried to get me interested in their religion. Which is normal I suppose - except I am wearing a tee shirt that has Hebrew writing all over the front, and still they try and convert me and talk to me about their church! They do kind of annoy me, but they have a right to preach their religion, and they were very polite and everything. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

06-26-2004, 07:28 AM	#2 (permalink)
H12 I'm not about getting creamed, I'm about winning! Location: K-Town, TN	Well, maybe if those were dyslexic missionaries...nah. Heh, I guess they're just trying too hard and weren't payin' attention. No biggy. __________________ "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act, but a habit." --Aristotle

06-26-2004, 07:55 AM	#3 (permalink)
ubertuber spudly Location: Ellay	Your shirt makes you the perfect person to convert - someone who isn't Mormon yet. They'd be wasting their time if they hung out and recruited where people were already Mormon. __________________ Cogito ergo spud -- I think, therefore I yam Last edited by ubertuber; 06-26-2004 at 01:22 PM..

06-26-2004, 07:55 AM	#4 (permalink)
ultra_agent9 Crazy Location: Tokyo Japan	I live in Tokyo and I walked past a couple of glum looking Mormans on the train station wearing their psuedo-agent uniforms. I couldn't help but laugh to myself as I walked by... __________________ Champaigne for my real friends, real pain for my sham friends.

06-26-2004, 08:03 AM	#5 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	heh - ubertuber's point is illuminating. __________________ create evolution

06-26-2004, 10:08 AM	#6 (permalink)
analog Banned	I guess they figured they'd go as far away from Utah as they could get, and work their way back in, because I get a shitload of them down here in Florida. I do not begrudge them their perceived duty, what I am unhappy with is the way in which they present themselves and their material. They basically will tell you to your face that you will go to hell because you're not mormon. Of course, i've had baptist and several other religions' missionaries tell me the same thing. That is horrible.

06-26-2004, 10:34 AM	#7 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	I don't have to admire anyone who wont accept me for who I am, how I live my life, where I'm going, and the fact that I'm fuckin' OKAY with all of it. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

06-26-2004, 10:40 AM	#8 (permalink)
ngdawg peekaboo Location: on the back, bitch	Sure they were Mormon and not Jehovah Witnesses? We have friends who are devout Mormons and they NEVER push their religion on anyone. Jehovah Witnesses, on the other hand, go door to door and solicit. One of my dearest friends in the world is a JW minister and we get into some heated debates at times. Some of the personal values of these religions are the same, in considering alcohol, caffeine, nicotine, etc. Jehovah Witness do not celebrate anything, from Christmas to birthdays. They do not call it 'heaven', it is 'paradise' and only a chosen few will go.

06-26-2004, 10:47 AM	#9 (permalink)
User Name Banned Location: Urf	Um well...wasn't a part of the Bible written in Hebrew or something?

06-26-2004, 11:51 AM	#11 (permalink)
canuckguy I read your emails. Location: earth	i've never understood that type of thing, why do churches or religious people have to try and convert people, like the signs outside of churchs with there little "slogans". do they get comission from the church or something? and why the need to knock on my door at 8am sat mornings.....grrr

06-26-2004, 12:22 PM	#13 (permalink)
Boo Leave me alone! Location: Alaska, USA	I have had some of the rudest mormons at my door. I do not want to listen to thier speach or join their Billion Dollar Tax Free Corporation. IMO - They need to declare their earnings and be taxed. Any church with that pile of money and their corporatism has no right to a tax exemption. If the athiests got together and worshipped trees would they get the same benefits? They won't take no thanks for an answer. So I just tell them to leave before I call their boss or the police. __________________ Back button again, I must be getting old.

06-26-2004, 02:29 PM	#14 (permalink)
Cujo Crazy Location: Ontari-ari-ari-O, Canada EH!	Actually I've never had a problem with the mormons. They knock, you answer the door and say "No thanks I'm not interested" and they politly excuse themselves and leave. Its the friggin Jehovah's Ninjas that make me insane. I think the whole fuckin crew of em (in my town anyway) are brain dead. From now on when I see them hiking it up my driveway I'm gonna strip off and answer the door in the buff. If that doesn't scare em off I don't know what will.

06-26-2004, 04:06 PM	#15 (permalink)
Sion Dumb all over...a little ugly on the side Location: In the room where the giant fire puffer works, and the torture never stops.	actually, the original texts from which the bible was culled were written in Greek, Latin, Hebrew and Aramaic, depending on which of the books to which you are referring. __________________ He's the best, of course, of all the worst. Some wrong been done, he done it first. -fz I jus' want ta thank you...falettinme...be mice elf...agin...

06-26-2004, 06:05 PM	#16 (permalink)
KellyC Comment or else!! Location: Home sweet home	the mormons over here seems to get the hint after the first time... __________________ Him: Ok, I have to ask, what do you believe? Me: Shit happens.

06-28-2004, 07:57 AM	#19 (permalink)
matteo101 In transition Location: north, no south abit, over to the right, getting warmer...there!	Good old Mormons...thinking we care and all...they need love too

06-28-2004, 08:02 AM	#20 (permalink)
Yakk Wehret Den Anfängen! Location: Ontario, Canada	A good mormon man will spend a few years trying to convert people (on "mission") sometime around the age of 20. Most religions believe those who do not follow the belief will go to hell, or some equally undesireable result. And those who follow the religion will get some desireable result. Some religions disagree, and believe that desire itself is not a goal, but that's just a flaw in my use of language: apologies. There are 3 ways for a religion to grow. The first is breeding and indoctrinating your kids. The second is converting others to your faith actively. And the last is converting others to your faith passively. And religions that do not grow eventually die: the religions you see around are all very good at growing (or, at the least, preventing shrinkage). A neat example of a religion that failed in this was the deists of the time around the American war of Independance (having amoung it's members a number of the USA's revolutionary fathers). It failed to continue to propagate, and it died out. __________________ Last edited by JHVH : 10-29-4004 BC at 09:00 PM. Reason: Time for a rest.

06-29-2004, 09:38 AM	#23 (permalink)
animosity on fire Location: Atlanta, GA	i dont mind them, i actually enjoy talking to them... i tell them right off that i dont believe the same as them. but that i wouldnt mind talking to them about it if they are bored and just want to talk. or... if i am having a bad day i come to the door in only my boxers and try to work the words "fuck" and "shit" into every thing i say... Last edited by animosity; 06-29-2004 at 09:42 AM..

06-29-2004, 12:37 PM	#24 (permalink)
water_boy1999 Fly em straight! Location: Above and Beyond	...and yet one more reason I have strayed from any and all religion. I simple "no thank you" and closing the door on their face will usually suffice. __________________ Doh!!!! -Homer Simpson

06-29-2004, 08:51 PM	#26 (permalink)
Esco Insane	I had some mormons come to the door a few months back and I promised them I would look into their religion online. I sure was surprised on the information I found. Has anybody else done research on the history of the Mormon church?? Small link of what I was talking about. I spent hours going through this site. link

09-16-2004, 12:11 AM	#27 (permalink)
MrsRight41401 Tilted Location: Georgia	Sorryto interject... I know that I'm going to be farely rare here, but I'm LDS (Mormon) and I have some light to shed... 1. We do not believe that you go to hell if your not Mormon. We don't even really believe in the normal Christian kind of hell. We believe more that Hell is a state of mind. 2. If ANY Mormon Missionary ever tries to force his or her religion on you - more than just asking you if they can have a moment of your time - and you say no and they keep pushing... PLEASE contact a local authority with that Elder or Sister's name. This is a BIG no-no. We're not out there to force, we're out their to invite. Sorry to interject... thought all your comments were hillariously well put. Rachel

09-16-2004, 12:32 AM	#28 (permalink)
bermuDa don't ignore this--> Location: CA	my sister is mormon and when her friends from the ward call and she isn't around they always try to ask me about my beliefs and are surprised to hear that I'm not mormon. They ask me about this and that, and say "oh yeah, that's cool..." and try to link it back to mormonism... I call it the obnoxious passivism approach kind of reminds me of military recruiters, only a bit less intense __________________ I am the very model of a moderator gentleman.

09-16-2004, 12:44 AM	#29 (permalink)
MrsRight41401 Tilted Location: Georgia	Heh - sounds about right. I used to do that, don't anymore. After getting bamboozled by Army recruiters...

09-16-2004, 07:08 AM	#30 (permalink)
smooth Junkie Location: Right here	Hey, MrsRight, Don't mormons believe they are one of the lost tribe of Israel? From my short experiences in SLC, I'd think that the mormons talking to Strange Famous were feeling a type of affinity more than anything else. __________________ "The theory of a free press is that truth will emerge from free discussion, not that it will be presented perfectly and instantly in any one account." -- Walter Lippmann "You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists." -- Abbie Hoffman

09-16-2004, 07:59 AM	#31 (permalink)
muchtomydelight Upright Location: Thomson GA	Mormans believe that the church as Gods institution died with the apostles. While Jesus was on earth for his 40 days of ressurection, he dropped by some cave in New York and had the book of mormon written on some gold plates in a cave in new york. Joseph Smith recieved a vision from an angel to go get and translate these plates. 12 people saw them. It was then Smiths job to restart the church. So that means that no one went to heaven from ~100 AD to ~1830 AD. Anywho, I asked the Mormans that stopped by here one day about a few passages in the Bible where it says "and 3000 were saved that day" and a few other things that dispelled their entire religion and they never came back.

09-16-2004, 08:51 AM	#33 (permalink)
muchtomydelight Upright Location: Thomson GA	then why was christianity new to the native americans? The scripture was in Acts, Ill dig it up. BTW, I am not looking for trouble, as I am sure you are not either.

09-16-2004, 08:59 AM	#34 (permalink)
MrsRight41401 Tilted Location: Georgia	If you look at the legends of the Natives in South America, you find that there are MANY legends that support the Book of Mormon. Especially among Peruvian Natives. And just like any oral record things have changed over the years. However, when Cortez landed and was welcomed so whole heartedly it was because they believed he was the god their legends promised would return to them. Also - at the end of the Book of Mormon - 200 years after Christ visited the Americas, the Nephite people were destroyed by the Lamanite people - both descendants from the same family because they had slipped into wickedness. The plates were buried by Moroni - the last prophet of the Nephites after the war. Look forward to the scriptures and no, I'm not looking for trouble. I am just talking with some new acquaintances on one of the must mature boards I've ever found. I've got some great jokes about my religion if you wanna hear them. :-) Rachel

09-16-2004, 09:46 AM	#36 (permalink)
MrsRight41401 Tilted Location: Georgia	No. Some Native Americans of pure desent can be traced back to Lehi's line - which is the line of Ephraim and Mannasah (sp?). Being Mormon is not a lineage like being a Jew. Rachel

09-16-2004, 09:48 AM	#37 (permalink)
MrsRight41401 Tilted Location: Georgia	BTW - Sorry about jumping ahead and referencing to Lamanites and Nephites - Iforget that not everyone is versed in those terms. LOL - My 23 year old brain getting ahead of me again.

09-16-2004, 09:51 AM	#38 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	I've lost track of how many times I've been told I'm going to hell. Fortunately, I've been forgiven at least that many __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

09-16-2004, 09:56 AM	#39 (permalink)
muchtomydelight Upright Location: Thomson GA	http://www.exmormon.org/tract2.htm Not scripture, I know, but intresting reading none the less.