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Old 06-03-2004, 11:29 AM   #1 (permalink)
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"liberation" equals repression

I've come to the conclusion that in this postmodern world the uninhibited life speaks of repression more than one lived sensibly and with some restraint.

It's not a new concept - as it is part of the postmodern cannon. Do a search for postmodern repression and also check out the work of Michel Foucault and other theorists of the mess we're in.

But when I see an orgy of sexual display, I know I'm in a repressed place.

I had that feeling in abundance when we travelled in Japan. Tokyo, for example is a glittering gob of neon-toned sexuality. It oozes out from the cultural production of Japan like a thousand erotic flowers in bloom.

But the feeling I got was that this was a city of repressed people. Some of the most repressed folks in the world, it seemed.

Here's a story that fleshes this out:

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No sex please -- we're Japanese

USA TODAY

To an astonishing degree, the sexes are going their opposite ways in Japan. Young women are revolting against the traditional role of obedient housewife, opting instead to live at home and shop and socialize with girlfriends. Startled men are retreating into solitary ways. Check-ins at the country's famed 'love hotels' are even falling. As birthrates slip, a social crisis looms.
TOKYO -- Junko Sakai was nervously looking forward to a romantic getaway with the man she'd been seeing. But when they arrived at a seaside hotel last fall, her beau requested separate rooms.
Stunned, Sakai nonetheless anticipated a late-night knock on the door. It never came. ''Nothing happened,'' the Tokyo writer says.

Nothing is happening with depressing regularity between Japanese men and women these days. Marriages, births and hanky-panky are all spiraling downward with troubling implications for the nation's future: A sagging birthrate means that fewer working-age people will be around to support a growing population of elderly; a social crisis looms.

Only in Japan would a popular weekly newsmagazine deem it necessary to exhort the nation's youth to abstain from sexual abstinence: ''Young people, don't hate sex,'' AERA magazine pleaded last month in a report detailing a precarious drop in sales of condoms and in business at Japan's rent-by-the-hour ''love hotels.''

More and more Japanese men and women are finding relationships too messy, tiring and potentially humiliating to bother with anymore. ''They don't want a complicated life,'' says Sakai, who has written a controversial bestseller, Cry of the Losing Dogs, on the plight of unmarried Japanese thirtysomething women like herself.

And so, to an astonishing degree, men and women go their separate ways -- the women to designer boutiques and chic restaurants with their girlfriends or moms, the men to karaoke clubs with their colleagues from work or the solitude of their computer screens to romance hassle-free virtual women.

''Men don't want to spend time with their girlfriends, especially shopping,'' says Takayuki Mori, 40, a single man who works for a Tokyo advertising agency. He says he isn't dating.

Better educated, more widely traveled and raised in more affluence than their mothers, young women no longer feel bound by the Japanese tradition that says a woman unmarried after age 25 is like a Christmas cake on Dec. 26 -- stale. Men, meanwhile, seem intimidated and bewildered by assertive young women who are nothing like their moms.

As a result of the disconnect between genders, Japan, just emerging from a long economic slump, is experiencing a social recession in:

* Marriage. Japanese are postponing marriage or avoiding it altogether. Weddings dropped last year for the second straight year. Fifty-four percent of Japanese women in their late 20s are single, up from 30.6% in 1985. About half of single Japanese women ages 35 to 54 have no intention to marry, according to a survey in January by the Japan Institute of Life Insurance.

* Births. Just 1.1 million babies were born in Japan last year, the third straight decline. The average Japanese couple now produces just 1.32 children, well below the minimum 2.08 needed to compensate for deaths. As a result of plummeting birth rates, Japan's population is expected to peak in 2006, and then decline rapidly.

* Sex. In a 2001 survey, condom maker Durex found that Japan ranked dead last among 28 countries in the frequency of sex: The average Japanese had sex just 36 times a year. Hong Kong was next to last with 63. (Americans ranked No. 1 at 124 times a year.)

AERA reports that condom shipments are down 40% since 1993 (probably in part because Japan finally legalized birth-control pills in 1999) and love-hotel check-ins are off at least 20% over the past five years. What's more, an increasing number of those visiting love hotels aren't there for romance, AERA says; they've found that love hotels offer the cheapest access to karaoke machines and video games.

I won't get married!

Over tea in the sunlit lobby of the Akasaka Prince Hotel near the Imperial Palace in downtown Tokyo, and later over soba noodles and chicken yakatori at a nearby restaurant, Japanese writer and television personality Yoko Haruka describes the shortcomings of love and marriage Japanese-style. The husband works long hours and carouses into the night with his pals from work. The wife is expected to stay home, clean house and take care of kids. If the children behave badly, she's a bad mother. If her husband has an affair, she's a bad wife.

The author of Kekkon Shimasen (I Won't Get Married!), Haruka abandoned her own plans for marriage a decade ago when she realized her fiancé wanted her to give up her career and lead the traditional life of a Japanese housewife. She says Japanese men sometimes propose to women with lines like: ''I want you to cook miso soup for me the rest of my life.'' Not surprisingly, Japan's increasingly educated and well-traveled young women are not impressed.

''I'm not expecting men will change,'' Haruka says.

Her assistant, Miho Higuchi, who has kept silent throughout the conversation, suddenly blurts out: ''Never again!'' A mother of three, she divorced her husband because he refused to do anything to help her clean house and take care of the kids.

In fact, Japan's divorce rate rose steadily to 2.3 divorces for every 1,000 people in 2002 from 1.3 in 1990; it appears to have dropped a bit last year, partly because fewer people have been getting married. (The divorce rate in the USA was 4 per 1,000 people in 2002. )

As for men, they seem bewildered by the rising assertiveness of Japanese women.

''Men are getting weaker,'' says Takayuki Tokiwa, 23, a student at a Tokyo vocational college. ''Women don't have to rely on men anymore. They can live on their own.''

Masahito Wakauchi, 24, would seem to be a good catch. He has fashionably wavy hair and a good job with an advertising agency in Tokyo. Is he dating? Wakauchi shakes his head sadly.

''It's very, very difficult'' to meet women these days, he says.

Rather than risk rejection or summon the energy to maintain a modern relationship, many Japanese men simply pay for affection in the country's ubiquitous hostess bars and brothels.

Others prefer virtual women online to the real kind. ''They seem to find the relationship cumbersome. . . . You have to be attentive to your partner,'' says Kunio Kitamura, president of the Japan Family Planning Association's Family Planning Clinic. ''A quick way to get satisfaction is so-called cybersex.''

In fact, as many as a million young men -- mostly teenagers, but increasingly older men as well -- suffer from what is known here as hikikomori. It's a condition in which they seclude themselves in their rooms for weeks at a time (though the causes seem to go well beyond fear of women to traumatic experiences from the past, such as being bullied at school).

But most young Japanese seem to enjoy the single life. In 1973, a Japanese government survey found that the happiest people in the country were those over age 60. A similar survey 24 years later found that the happiest people were in their 20s, and twentysomething women were the happiest of all: 77.7% said they were content with their lives. Maybe Gloria Steinem was right: Women need men like fish need bicycles.

Many young Japanese women live carefree lives, staying at home with their parents, paying little if any rent, letting their mothers cook their meals, clean their rooms and do their laundry. Many work dead-end jobs that don't pay much but don't cause much stress and give them enough spending money to buy designer handbags, shoes, clothes and jewelry and enough time to take overseas holidays with their girlfriends.

Emerging from the Louis Vuitton shop on Namikibashi street in the heart of the Ginza shopping district, Tokyo secretary Yukiko Matsumoto, 38, says she's happily single and living at home with herparents.

''I don't want to change my rhythms,'' she says. ''Men expect women to stay home and take care of them.'' Not likely: Matsumoto travels abroad twice a year with her best friend and shopping companion, Terumi Yanagibashi, 38. They've already been to Hawaii together three times.

'Parasite singles'

A few years ago, Tokyo Gakugei University sociologist Masahiro Yamada coined the phrase ''parasite singles'' to describe young people who sponge off their parents and use their rent-free incomes to splurge on designer goodies, expensive dinners and trips abroad. It came from the 1997 Japanese horror movie Parasite Eve and applies to young, live-at-home men and women alike, though Yamada says the most carefree of the parasite singles tend to be women; the men are more serious about establishing careers and moving out on their own one day.

The phrase caught on. Some single women even printed up business cards defiantly describing themselves as ''parasite singles.''

In the past, it made sense for young people to leave home early. In the 1940s and 1950s, Japanese families were large. Staying at home meant sharing a room with brothers or sisters. But after decades of prosperity and falling birthrates, many young adults are pampered only children. Leaving home to marry means the drudgery of housework (especially for women) and the poverty of having to pay your own bills.

Sociologist Yamada says the single life in Japan isn't as blissful as it seems. For one thing, many young women still want to marry: They keep waiting for the perfect man -- a rich handsome guy who either helps with the housework or can afford to hire help. But Prince Charming never quite arrives. ''They hold on to the illusion they will find a man with a high income,'' Yamada says.

''The good men are all married,'' writer Junko Sakai says. ''Those left behind are all nerds or without jobs or violent or not nice-looking.''

And what happens to the parasite singles when their parents become infirm or die? Yamada says their future is grim. He cites one case study that he fears will be a model for the future. A woman lived with her parents until they died, inherited the family home but found that her job didn't pay enough now that her parents weren't around to foot the bill for groceries and other necessities. She ended up bankrupt after borrowing heavily in a futile effort to maintain her lifestyle.

The phenomenon of parasite singles also is creating a demographic nightmare. Japan now has about four working-age people to contribute to pension plans to support one of today's retirees. By the middle of the century, there will be just two workers for each retiree, which will create huge financial problems for the country.

Yamada says young men and women need to get more realistic. Men need to start helping with the housework and supporting their wives' careers. Women need to stop waiting for the flawless man who's never going to show up. ''They've got to compromise,'' he says.

But it's going to take a lot of convincing to get Japanese women to give up their independence. Sakai says Japanese society still thinks there's something wrong with unmarried women over the age of, say, 30. She calls spinsters like herself ''losing dogs.'' But fewer and fewer women care about tradition. ''I know I'm a losing dog,'' Sakai says, ''but I'm quite satisfied with my life.''
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Old 06-03-2004, 11:57 AM   #2 (permalink)
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interesting.

I have seen something along the same lines happening in Singapore and Thailand.

While there is some truth in that article, there's also something missing which is people willing to COMPROMISE. It takes two people and anything with more than one person requires a compromise at some point in time.

IMHO the above article doesn't reflect repression, but more so selfishness.
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Old 06-03-2004, 12:47 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I can't believe that there are so many people that want to live with their parents till they die. I can't beileve that men rather have cyber sex than clean-up a little and have real sex.

How can they want to have such extravagant lives at the expense of their parents? Their parents should be retiring and enjoying their senior years. How can a society be so selfish that it will bring about it's on extinction?
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Old 06-03-2004, 01:23 PM   #4 (permalink)
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How can a society be so selfish that it will bring about it's on extinction?
Bwah? Hey, I know that suicide can be chewed over a hundred different ways, and abortion is something where a right to privacy becomes a matter of bodily functioning and can also be debated sincerely, but telling people that they're selfish for not fucking? A society that brings on it's own extinction getting called selfish by someone from a different society... I dunno, reminds me of steaming into Japan with a warship to open up their trade by force in the 1800's (of which I recall very little about, at this point).
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Old 06-03-2004, 01:32 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I didn't call them selfish for not fucking. If anything Americans are selfish for fucking too much with disregard to overpopulation. I'm calling them selfish for living off their parents, for men not getting married because they won't help with housework, etc. It''s that selfishness which is leading them to the no fucking and extinction.
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Old 06-03-2004, 02:25 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Shit. From the sound of it I wouldn't be to excited to date some of these women either. I'm all for women's independence, but that means actual independence, not some spoiled hoe mooching through life.

The men are another problem too, but at least they are working.

Thank goodness, I live in America where we don't have problems like this..... Oh crap.
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Old 06-03-2004, 03:38 PM   #7 (permalink)
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---one country at a time---let's hope Africa is next to slow down on the population explosion..
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Old 06-03-2004, 09:11 PM   #8 (permalink)
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It has to industrialise first. It's a long way off, i'm afraid.

Interesting article though. I havea difficult time understanding how someone who has dated and been in relationships would retreat from them.
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Old 06-03-2004, 10:42 PM   #9 (permalink)
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**For the most on-topic part of my response, skip to the bottom**


I see a society dealing poorly with its sexual revolution. The women have rejected the oppression of man. But, they have not filled that space with their own empowerment. American women threw off men, took the jobs, and demanded power and equality. Though there are always cake-and-eat-it-too'ers (of both genders), women have taken the work and struggle that come with power and respect.

The Japanese woman seems to want all the power, respect, and expensive toys, without working for any of it. Instead they've rejected the notion of HAVING to work for it. The men's rule has ended, and a great void has been left.

The women sound lazy, self indulgent, and proud of their collective failure. I say failure, because unlike the American women, they have not forced themselves into the workplace. They have not said, “I will have the career I want, the man I want, and the family I want.” The women have instead said, “Well I won’t be some lazy housewife, subjugated to some man. Instead I’ll subjugate my parents and exploit them in the same manner I’m rallying against. This is the failure of not taking the next step.

The parents, for their part, sound unable or unwilling to kick anyone out.

The men. They have retreated to the corner and surrendered trying. American men and women are still struggling to redefine gender roles, but we’ve made a hell of a lot more progress than the Japanese have. Our women had goals. Goals can be dealt with, adjustments made.
What can you do when one gender collectively refuses to do one thing and instead does….nothing. What a waste!
American men were forced to adapt to our women because they weren’t taking our shit anymore. Blunt, but true. Men had to change the ideas about what they wanted with the new woman in the picture. The Japanese men have no adjustments to make. They don’t want to outright subjugate themselves to their women, and they don’t have any other choice given to them by these women.

When the options are:
1. Spoil me like my parents do.
2. Fuck off.
What is one supposed to do?

The men can, of course, realize and accept that they will have to change roles. It’s not 1950 anywhere. If that happens, maybe women will be interested in sharing a lifetime.
However, if the women aren’t interested in sharing, what can you do?

The situation seems defeatist to me on all sides. The men have not advanced their gender’s role. The women aren’t doing anything but refusing to serve men, without doing anything else meaningful. The parents are paying the bills. Enablers.

Sounds like they should read some American history. We’re trying!

I think the choice was made to live the uninhibited life instead of the sensible and restrained one. The middle ground is where progress is made. We are left with so many choices; we’re making bad ones because there is no impetus to make good ones. We have so many available choices, resources; there is no push to stay away from self-indulgence. The Japanese have chosen to wallow in self-indulgence. There is not growth in life like that. We have no great war pushing us to sacrifice to the common good. We have not a single cause uniting us in purpose.
The complete lack of inhibition comes from the lack of reason to inhibit. If I do restrain myself it is for my, or my family’s good; not some greater shared good. This lack of restraint is the result of a certain amount of success. We pushed for this state of economic and world strength; no one knows what to do with it. We could save a starving country, or watch TIVO. We could deal with a relationship / have sex, or jerk off.

The question “Why?” has no answer now.
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Old 06-04-2004, 09:16 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Great post Billege, I couldn't agree more. I just hope America doesn't spiral into a similar situation.
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Old 06-04-2004, 03:09 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Part of the problem for Japanese women is The Japanese Mother-In-Law. By custom, the mother-in-law rules the daughter-in-law, who may have to take on extra duties for her husband's extended families and obey mom-in-law 's every whim. Unless her husband stands for her, and they apparently never do. So why would a free, single woman walk into something like that?

Also, Japanese work culture helped lead to the sexual/cultural shift. Japanese sararimen (corporate employees) are supposed to work long hours and then socialize with their bosses and co-workers. They really don't spend much time at home. They live separate lives.

I believe there was a survey of Japanese male teenagers some years ago about the things that were important in their lives. Their personal computers were Number 1. I think Dad was down there at Number 7. He's just not around.
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Old 06-05-2004, 12:08 AM   #12 (permalink)
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It seems like there's no sense of the true origins of this liberation - no idea that the push for sexual and social equality in many societies was not something that just happened one day for no reason, but was born from tangible social and political struggle. For these men and women (and probably many men and women in the western world too), the drive for liberation and hedonism has been separated from its meaningful origins and repackaged as a shiny Louis Vuitton handbag or a supersize big mac meal - a casual lifestyle choice with "no strings attached" or social cost to bear. With no cost to bear and nothing to defend, the choice loses its meaning and value.

Separated from its wider social context and origins, people cease to consider the true costs and benefits of the uninhibited lifestyle; what it means for their individual life and their society.

A libertine who really thinks of the cost borne in the past and the present might choose to exercise at least some restraint and dignity, not because they had become some traitor or unequivocal enemy of social liberation; but because it's the rational thing to do in the persuit of a more genuine liberation, rather than the worthless liberation sold in neat, shiny packages.
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Old 06-05-2004, 03:48 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Macheath, that is so well stated, I must say...
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"A libertine who really thinks of the cost borne in the past and the present might choose to exercise at least some restraint and dignity, not because they had become some traitor or unequivocal enemy of social liberation; but because it's the rational thing to do in the persuit of a more genuine liberation, rather than the worthless liberation sold in neat, shiny packages."
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Hey, I resemble that remark...
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I seem to vaguely recall that, in the late 1970's or so, it was predicted that, because of the ever-growing 'women's liberation movements' in this country, the birthrates would fall so dramatically that schools would be closed, the future elderly population would be basically abandoned because of the lack of offspring to care for them and men would be left to their own defenses in the areas of homecare, etc. Did it happen? nah.....
everything must cycle around.
They are behaving selfishly by sponging their basic living off parents while spending their paychecks on extravagances but it's a learning process-growing up watching their mothers be subservient while also being privvy to the western ways must be confusing. And, they are not us, merely seeing what they perceive to be the ideal life of women here (media crap again, I suppose), so they think they are emulating our lifestyle,IMO.
Japan for years complained of the overcrowding of their cities-now the country fears the cities will be filled with tumbleweeds while their women dine on fine food and buy designer bags?
It will eventually all cycle around to a comfortable level of compromise as a country that embraced its centuries-old traditions goes kicking and screaming into the 21st century.
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