rat

sounds like revenge of Operation Vaginal Purity.

oh and arie, we texan conservatives wouldn't go that far

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water_boy1999

All the funny responses have been taken so far. Damn!

This is truly a sad day.

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ShaniFaye

I realize this is an older thread but I wasnt as active on the board back in March and I missed this. I found out about this today while discussing the new beer law with some friends.

While I can understand doing something about mutilations, I do not understand this at all....ESPECIALLY since it only applies to females. A guy would be able to get his dick pierced but a female couldnt get her clit, labia, etc? This is fucking ridiculous. Those of you that say...go to another state are completely missing the point of people being upset about it. Yes, maybe because Im a female and Im pierced in many places Im more outraged than some....but like I said....most of my outrage is the fact that its directed at females only. That and the fact that they are saying because "they never heard of it" that it shouldnt be allowed

I urge any Georgian to do what I did today....


I sent the following email to Gov. Perdue, with a revised wording of one to Saxby Chambliss and Zell Miller

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KellyC

Let us know if there's any response from the Gov. ShaniFaye.

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skaterpunk

What the hell is this.... How do they expect to enforce this, other than patroling body mod shops and making sure that no one is doing these jobs. I mean come on. How does stuff like this get passed in the first place? Are we really that far away from any political matter that this goes unopposed?

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ShaniFaye

Well obviously I was far enuff away from it that I just heard about it yesterday...which is strange considering my "crowd", then when discussing it I get the line "but Shannon, YOUR the smart one....we depend on you to keep up with stuff like that" lol

KellyC I got an email back stating that I would indeed get a response at some point....I wont hold my breath though

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rat

the South is Heaven (when it ain't hot as Hell )...and except for the whole super-reactionary trend some state legislatures down here have. Thank God I'm in Texas, and we can still have our gals adorn their genitals with all the freedom body modification entails

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n0nsensical

The lawmakers' intent was not to ban people from getting the piercings themselves, it was to ban mutilation. Any sensible person should be against mutilation; the politicians are just ignorant and the bill is worded poorly. They literally did not realize that anyone would want to get a genital piercing and the bill flew through because mutilation is bad, of course. Though I question how much genital mutilation is really going on in the United States, except circumcision which is somehow still acceptable.

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ShaniFaye

Nonsensical, I think what pissed me off the most was the guy quoted saying..""What? I've never seen such a thing," Heath said. "I, uh, I wouldn't approve of anyone doing it. I don't think that's an appropriate thing to be doing." I dont approve of judgmental pains in the asses trying to make new laws but I dont see anything being done about THAT lol

As for not wording it correctly...160 people worked on that bill...its really sad that not one of them had the brains to figure out how they fucked it up

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n0nsensical

Yeah, I mean, I'm not excusing politicians who are obviously out of touch with the real world and possibly their own bills, but it could be worse anyway. Also, when contacting your out of touch representatives, snail mail and fax are perhaps more likely to be read and get an actual response, though probably still by an intern.

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ShaniFaye

Can you believe I got this email back from one of the?

5 bucks to have it hand deliverd lol

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Blackthorn

I wonder how the ACLU will react to this one.....*watching for the feathers to fly*

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mikec

I'm personally not into genitial piercings, I can't imagine why someone would want to put a piece of metal in the holiest of holies, or through their dick, but I respect their right to do so, as long as my tax dollars don't pay for any resulting medical requirements that could possibly come up from a botched job.

fucking people piercing themselves, I want someone to pierce their butthole hehheheh.

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GakFace

Yep, so rapers and killers can run free as they can "prove" they aren't guilty, yet women who pierce themselves will be in jail for doing nothing to anyone but themselves...

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animosity

The way i see it is if someone wants to "mutilate" themselves its none of my or anyone elses business. I dont care if you chop off you penis and feed it to your dogs. What you do to your own body is your own business, so have a nice day....

degrawj

i'm sorry to say this, but i hate my country. i really do.

kel

Honestly this somehow doesn't bother me, I see it as the Yin to the MOFO hippy anti-gun lobby's yang.

Hippies screw the squares, and the squares screw the hippies. Pray you don't live in the wrong state!

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greytone

I try to keep up with the news here in Atlanta, but somehow I missed this just like ShaniFaye did. That makes me think that it was ignored by the media. Still I would have thought Boortz would have had a field day with it (ShaniFaye will know who I am talking about).

I would be shocked if 10% of our state legistlators could tell the difference between a piercing of the clitoral hood and clitoral destruction in "female circumcision." I doubt any could find a clitoris with a map and a field guide with a great deal of patience. This is an attempt to bash my adopted home because I feel the same about every state legistlature in the country. I am sure enough of them have been to our local "theaters" to see the fine artistic performances our strippers provide to have seen any number of piercings. So I don't buy that they have never heard of it.

Personally, I can't understand why anyone would want to stick pieces of metal through their genitalia, but hell, if you want to, go ahead.

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ShaniFaye

I love Boortz!!! I didnt used to but as I've gotten older I understand him more lol This thing broke out in March and if he did a show on it I missed it as I dont get to listen to him everyday. I'll have to search his website to see if he posted anything about it....

this was all I could find Boortz.com

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greytone

That quote from Boortz looks familiar, so I must have read it, but I must not have known what triggered it.

Boortz is the reason I have a label for the political philosophy I slowly came to embrace. It started by reading Heinlein as a teen but I did not know the word Liberterean until I moved back to Atlanta and started listening to him.

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SpikeQX99

Well here we go again... another case of "them" telling "us" what "we" can and can't do..

FUCK YOU... This is my body, I've had it for as long as I can remember, it IS NOT yours, so DO NOT tell me what I can and cannot do to it!

All these people with the idea that they are doing this in "our best interests" only go on to fuck things like this up.

Sometimes, I wish I was in the Senate or something like that, where I could look at these crotchety old farts and say "lighten up!" "leave them alone, they aren't breaking any laws or anything, they are the ones that have to live with what they've done. BACK OFF!"

/end rant.

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Mherlee

Passing this law in Georgia in the US is going to help women in other countries HOW??? Am I missing something? Isn't it men that people do this to in the good ol USA? My family was horrified when I refused to circumsize my son. I told them it was ok, I would explain to him later why I didn't put him through an unnecessary surgery as soon as he was born to take away something that helps keep him clean just so he wouldn't have to wash it.
And most clit piercings are clit hood, does this count???

Jinn

This is silly.. it's easily remedied by a small change of wording to reflect the TRUE meaning of the bill:

They want to stop MINOR genital mutilation by religious parents, right? Prevent Ms. Jaueiaw from having her daughter's bits pierced or cut off? Then make clitoral or vaginal modification under 18 illegal, and solve the whole damn thing! Consenting adults can do whatever they want to with their body, while minors can't.. we have this with all sorts of other laws regarding age of consent, why not this?

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ShaniFaye

I did some research today since this thread was brought back up and it looks like the bill failed on the last day of the general assembly last year.

It was close to passing without the piercing amendment, then it was amended again which put it in another committee! That committee was in the appointment process when the General Assembly ended. It didn't make it in time.

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Dragonknight

Thins like this make me ask myself, what freedoms am I fighting for. There obviously getting smaller and smaller. I think a piercing like this is hot, but the important part to me is it's YOUR DAMN BODY WTF IS SOMEONE ELSE TRYING TO TELL ME HOW TO DEAL WITH IT? Let someone tell me I can't have any more tats or that my current tats are mutilation, and hence forth illegal. I'll get a tat on my ass saying, "EAT $H!*! (didn't' want to seam vulgar)" Let them decide what to do with that!!!

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FatFreeGoodness

The legislators who voted on this were attempting to outlaw female genital mutilation. To allow “consensual” mutilation would be pointless – look at battered women.
They are not conversant with truly consensual piercing. Piercing (to them) looked like just one flavor of the despicable mutilation they were criminalizing.
And it was not intended to be sexist. It absolutely did not occur to them that a guy might get pierced… there.

Their hearts were in the right place. And if you want to get a smile out of this, just imagine one of them learning about this issue. “Now wait. Let me get this straight. People actually take … sharp things … and … !! Wait a minute, I got to think on this. Are these the same liberal college kids who think we shouldn’t stick worms with hooks, bless their soft lil’ hearts? And you meant they will… wow. Just... WOW.”

Eweser

I haven't heard of this until reading this thread. It sounds like it started out as a good thing, trying to end the mutilation....Personally I wouldn't get a piercing, but that doesn't mean I want someone to tell me that I can't.

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Furry

On top of the other arguments:

Violation of freedom of expression, anyone? I'm not a US citizen but I'm pretty sure that's in the constitution somewhere...

And was this a seperate bill? There's no way it could have piggybacked in on another bill, as in "Essential Roadworks and Clitoral Piercing Bill? (Also not sure about this tool, I've heard of the principle though)

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Leto

I'm not mutilated!

and how, just how is this supposed to be taken seriously? (the piercing part) and how is it ever going to be enforced??? Will doctors (ob-gyns) be forced to report pierced labia???

will there be a special TWAT force?


But as Shani so ably pointed out... it's a moot point now.

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lindalove

Not 'sexist' at all.

Female genital mutilation (FGM) is the term used to refer to the removal of part, or all, of the female genitalia. The most severe form is infibulation, also known as pharaonic circumcision. An estimated 15% of all mutilations in Africa are infibulations. The procedure consists of clitoridectomy (where all, or part of, the clitoris is removed), excision (removal of all, or part of, the labia minora), and cutting of the labia majora to create raw surfaces, which are then stitched or held together in order to form a cover over the vagina when they heal. A small hole is left to allow urine and menstrual blood to escape. In some less conventional forms of infibulation, less tissue is removed and a larger opening is left.

Sometimes a trained midwife will be available to give a local anaesthetic. In some cultures, girls will be told to sit beforehand in cold water, to numb the area and reduce the likelihood of bleeding. More commonly, however, no steps are taken to reduce the pain. The girl is immobilized, held, usually by older women, with her legs open. Mutilation may be carried out using broken glass, a tin lid, scissors, a razor blade or some other cutting instrument. When infibulation takes place, thorns or stitches may be used to hold the two sides of the labia majora together, and the legs may be bound together for up to 40 days. Antiseptic powder may be applied, or, more usually, pastes - containing herbs, milk, eggs, ashes or dung - which are believed to facilitate healing. The girl may be taken to a specially designated place to recover where, if the mutilation has been carried out as part of an initiation ceremony, traditional teaching is imparted. For the very rich, the mutilation procedure may be performed by a qualified doctor in hospital under local or general anaesthetic.

The actual practice of "Female Genital Mutilation" is practiced all over the world and is in laymans terms "where the woman's privates are ripped all to pieces". In some places it is done as a form of punishment for adultery, some as a form of birth control, and some as cultural/religious practice. Nevertheless, it is a huge problem in Africa and in the Far East, as it is common to be forced upon a young girl.

It is not a common practice for males.

Sadly, 'piercing' has been lumped into this bill, which is a more common practice in the US. However, because of the ramifications of what is more commonly known as FGM, the bill had to pass. Often, when something passes unanimously like the above bill did, there is a bigger picture.

One could say that culturally, we are denying something that may be entailed in someones' religion, however, things like cannibalism, or ritualistic torture are not acceptable here and neither should this.

Jinn

Like I said earlier and like I'll say again.. specify the law to apply to minors. With that clause, there can no longer be any argument that they're "dictating what I do with my body" or even that they're taking away your freedom of expression. They're simply limiting the ability of the parent in speaking for a minor (whom the law already limits). There are things, like a contact, that someone under 18 cannot participate in. In these instances, a mature "adult" (usually their parent) can speak for them and waive that right. In the case of piercing, parents -- in most states -- have to sign a letter of indemnification. MAKE IT SO THAT PARENTS CANNOT SIGN FOR PIERCING GENITALS BEFORE 18.

As an aside, why is touching someone's genitals under the age of 18 -- usually child molestation -- already okay when its for "piercing" purposes?

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serlindsipity

what is it with old men making decisions about young women's bordies? First abortion, now this?

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Jinn

you're responsible for those "old men" having power.. you really have no one to blame but yourself.

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serlindsipity

better of the two evils. the woman who represents my state disowned her gay son.

i vote. i put my opinion in the polls. but no less, im part of the minority.

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lindalove

Now I'm wondering how much of what the newspapers are saying is true. Read the bill yourselves.



A BILL TO BE ENTITLED
AN ACT


To amend Article 2 of Chapter 5 of Title 16 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to assault and battery, so as to provide for the crime of female genital mutilation; to provide for penalties; to provide for exceptions; to provide that certain statutory privileges shall not be available; to provide for applicability; to provide an effective date; to repeal conflicting laws; and for other purposes.


BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF GEORGIA:


SECTION 1.
Article 2 of Chapter 5 of Title 16 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to assault and battery, is amended by adding a new Code Section 16-5-27 to read as follows:
"16-5-27.
(a) Any person:
(1) Who knowingly circumcises, excises, or infibulates, in whole or in part, the labia majora, labia minora, or clitoris of a female under 18 years of age;
(2) Who is a parent, guardian, or has immediate custody or control of a female under 18 years of age and knowingly consents to or permits the circumcision, excision, or infibulation, in whole or in part, of the labia majora, labia minora, or clitoris of such female; or
(3) Who knowingly removes or causes or permits the removal of a female under 18 years of age from this state for the purpose of circumcising, excising, or infibulating, in whole or in part, the labia majora, labia minora, or clitoris of such female
shall be guilty of female genital mutilation.
(b) A person convicted of female genital mutilation shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than five nor more than 20 years.
(c) This Code section shall not apply to procedures performed by or under the direction of a physician, a registered professional nurse, a certified nurse midwife, or a licensed practical nurse licensed pursuant to Chapter 34 or 26, respectively, of Title 43 when necessary to preserve the physical health of the female. This Code section shall also not apply to any autopsy or limited dissection as defined by Code Section 45-16-21 which is conducted in accordance with Article 2 of Chapter 16 of Title 45.
(d) Consent of the female under 18 years of age or the parent, guardian, or custodian of the female under 18 years of age shall not be a defense to the offense of female genital mutilation. Religion, ritual, custom, or standard practice shall not be a defense to the offense of female genital mutilation.
(e) The statutory privileges provided by Chapter 9 of Title 24 shall not apply to proceedings in which one of the parties to the privilege is charged with a crime against a female under 18 years of age, but such person shall be compellable to give evidence only on the specific act for which the defendant is charged."


SECTION 2.
This Act shall become effective on July 1, 2005, and shall apply to all offenses committed on or after such date.


SECTION 3.
All laws and parts of laws in conflict with this Act are repealed.

Looks like 1. It's ONLY for women 18 and younger. Too bad most people don't realize through their screams of foul play in the government.



Oh, and Canada has already made this a law.

lindalove

Oh and the terms they said "Circumcision, Infibulation, and Excises" have nothing to do with piercings... I'm not sure where that whole outcry came from.

ShaniFaye

linda....that was the amended one, the original (that the post was about) said

so...we werent crying "foul" for no reason. They changed it after "foul" was cried and then it still didnt get passed

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serlindsipity

it didnt get passed Shani?

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ShaniFaye

not according to what I looked up yesterday it didnt

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