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PorscheBunny · 02-03-2004, 12:45 PM

From The Register:

Got a ticket? Get a record. EU-US data handover deal leaks
By John Lettice
Posted: 03/02/2004 at 16:19 GMT

Statewatch has obtained a copy of the draft agreement on the transfer of EU airlines' passenger records to the US Department of Homeland Security. The text gives full details of the deal struck between the European Commission and the DHS, and leaves the strong impression that the Commission, rather than protecting (the ostensible purpose of the EU-US discussions) the personal data of its citizens, is an accomplice in its export.

Statewatch also notes that the Commission's intention to make a statement of "adequacy" for the agreement under the 1995 Data Protection Directive leaves the European Parliament with limited scope for intervention. It can only do so if it takes the view that the draft implementing measure "would exceed the implementing powers provided for in the basic instrument." Which would seem a fairly reasonable view to take, but the point is that the default is that the deal will go ahead, unless Parliament stands up and shouts.

The draft agreement (text here) gives a full list of the PNR (Passenger Name Record) fields required, and is (perhaps unintentionally) revealing regarding the DHS' pursuit of broader personal data. "Additional personal information sought as a direct result of PNR data will be obtained from sources outside the government only through lawful channels [well that's good to know...], and only for legitimate counter-terrorism or law enforcement purposes." The simple statement of "law enforcement purposes" here flags potential mission-creep; the rider specifying international crime only which the Commission had inserted seems to have fallen off already.

The document goes on to give credit card transaction information and email records as examples of the kinds of further information that might be sought on the basis of a PNR. This information will, it tells us, be obtained via US "lawful process", following "US statutory requirement" or "other processes as authorized by law." Us law, we presume.

So the data you have to give the airline in order to fly will be passed to the US authorities, and may be used as a trigger for further research by the US authorities into your habits. The deal makes reference to the possibility of the EU adopting a similar system, and as and when that happens we expect the two sides to resist the notion of pooling their databanks for, oh, a couple of minutes? Note also that the current enthusiasm for profiling, the idea being to identify possible threats from people who aren't known, and have no record, absolutely requires broad data capture, use and retention. Course we've got to compile records on people who're innocent - otherwise, how could we confirm they're innocent?

And anyway, innocent people have nothing to hide. Or they soon won't have... ®

Confederate · 02-03-2004, 01:30 PM

I do understand the right to privacy, I can also understand their reasons to form a database of information of all flyers. Just remember if it saves at least one life it'll be worth it.

SaltPork · 02-03-2004, 01:50 PM

You know what, I know that there will be Civil libertarians out there crying foul along with some other groups, but really, I have nothing at all to hide. I have never done anything worth causing suspicion to myself, so check me out, look me up, log my flights taken. If it works to keep me and other similarly innocent people safe, then it's okay by me.

For those of you saying, "So you would give up your freedom for safety?" Think about it.

wry1 · 02-03-2004, 08:10 PM

Damn....and I thought that the only real reason not to fly was that I didn't now how to land the plane.....

02-03-2004, 12:45 PM	#1 (permalink)
PorscheBunny Insane	Another reason not to fly From The Register: Got a ticket? Get a record. EU-US data handover deal leaks By John Lettice Posted: 03/02/2004 at 16:19 GMT Statewatch has obtained a copy of the draft agreement on the transfer of EU airlines' passenger records to the US Department of Homeland Security. The text gives full details of the deal struck between the European Commission and the DHS, and leaves the strong impression that the Commission, rather than protecting (the ostensible purpose of the EU-US discussions) the personal data of its citizens, is an accomplice in its export. Statewatch also notes that the Commission's intention to make a statement of "adequacy" for the agreement under the 1995 Data Protection Directive leaves the European Parliament with limited scope for intervention. It can only do so if it takes the view that the draft implementing measure "would exceed the implementing powers provided for in the basic instrument." Which would seem a fairly reasonable view to take, but the point is that the default is that the deal will go ahead, unless Parliament stands up and shouts. The draft agreement (text here) gives a full list of the PNR (Passenger Name Record) fields required, and is (perhaps unintentionally) revealing regarding the DHS' pursuit of broader personal data. "Additional personal information sought as a direct result of PNR data will be obtained from sources outside the government only through lawful channels [well that's good to know...], and only for legitimate counter-terrorism or law enforcement purposes." The simple statement of "law enforcement purposes" here flags potential mission-creep; the rider specifying international crime only which the Commission had inserted seems to have fallen off already. The document goes on to give credit card transaction information and email records as examples of the kinds of further information that might be sought on the basis of a PNR. This information will, it tells us, be obtained via US "lawful process", following "US statutory requirement" or "other processes as authorized by law." Us law, we presume. So the data you have to give the airline in order to fly will be passed to the US authorities, and may be used as a trigger for further research by the US authorities into your habits. The deal makes reference to the possibility of the EU adopting a similar system, and as and when that happens we expect the two sides to resist the notion of pooling their databanks for, oh, a couple of minutes? Note also that the current enthusiasm for profiling, the idea being to identify possible threats from people who aren't known, and have no record, absolutely requires broad data capture, use and retention. Course we've got to compile records on people who're innocent - otherwise, how could we confirm they're innocent? And anyway, innocent people have nothing to hide. Or they soon won't have... ® __________________ This post has been sanitized for your protection by the Ministry of Information of Oceania.

02-03-2004, 01:50 PM	#3 (permalink)
SaltPork Everything's better with bacon Location: In your local grocer's freezer.	You know what, I know that there will be Civil libertarians out there crying foul along with some other groups, but really, I have nothing at all to hide. I have never done anything worth causing suspicion to myself, so check me out, look me up, log my flights taken. If it works to keep me and other similarly innocent people safe, then it's okay by me. For those of you saying, "So you would give up your freedom for safety?" Think about it. __________________ It was like that when I got here....I swear.

02-03-2004, 01:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
Confederate Death Leprechaun Location: College Station, TX	I do understand the right to privacy, I can also understand their reasons to form a database of information of all flyers. Just remember if it saves at least one life it'll be worth it.

02-03-2004, 08:10 PM	#4 (permalink)
wry1 Loser Location: Far too far from my Angel....	Damn....and I thought that the only real reason not to fly was that I didn't now how to land the plane.....