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Orodinn · 12-08-2003, 10:24 PM

http://www.time.com/time/2003/invent...invisible.html

I just saw this really cool invention. When people think of superpowers, invisibility is usually among the first 3 spots so no wonder it got chosen as one of the coolest invention of 2003.

Now, the thing doesnt make you go invisible, but it does make you look transparent. Thats a good start. I believe that sometime in the future, itll be possible to go completely invisible. Its a long way before technology actually allows us so, but of all the problems with the current model, none of them are impossible to solve. If only they can improve the resolution of the image projected, project the image in such a way that the deformations of the suit are cancelled, project the image as an hologram so that it can make you look invisible from any angle and project the image from within the coat so that you dont have to constantly carry a projector around, youll have your fully working invisible coat!

Batman976 · 12-08-2003, 10:27 PM

That's pretty freakin' cool. I saw on Discovery or TLC (can't remember which) a similar technology used on tanks. How much longer until I can get one? Just a suit... I don't really need a tank.

rogue49 · 12-08-2003, 10:39 PM

Um...I don't really want to be a nay-sayer here,
but it "looks" like someone standing in front of a projector screen.

That's not invisibility,
that's just someone in a highly reflective jacket, in front of a projected picture.

That's more like camouflage.
There's a difference.

spived2 · 12-08-2003, 10:45 PM

I don't quite understand how holographic technology can make you seem transparent from all angles. That seems like it would be the greatest challenge, because you could see something as invisible using cameras and high resolution screens, but if you just change your height it will just seem odd and out of place.

Orodinn · 12-08-2003, 10:51 PM

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Originally posted by rogue49
Um...I don't really want to be a nay-sayer here,
but it "looks" like someone standing in front of a projector screen.

That's not invisibility,
that's just someone in a highly reflective jacket, in front of a projected picture.

That's more like camouflage.
There's a difference.

Well, IT IS someone standing in front of a projector. Only this time, the image projected is the image on the back of the guy is the image in front of the guy. The idea is simple but the execution is tricker. The image has to be adapted to that only the portion you cant see is projected. I also think its projected in such a way that the irregularities of the coat are somewhat cancelled.

I guess it works better with simple objects without too many irregularities.

http://www.star.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/proj...ges/mirror.mpg

sailor · 12-08-2003, 11:05 PM

IIRC, the military has been working on such a system for some time now, but nothing really working has been achieved. For the moment, it seems more sci-fi than fact, but sometime in the relatively near future, absolutely.

Phaenx · 12-08-2003, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rogue49
Um...I don't really want to be a nay-sayer here,
but it "looks" like someone standing in front of a projector screen.

That's not invisibility,
that's just someone in a highly reflective jacket, in front of a projected picture.

That's more like camouflage.
There's a difference.

It probably isn't, I saw a video of a guy who used similar technology. It was about as decent as this is, doesn't quite look the same though.

Orodinn · 12-08-2003, 11:31 PM

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Originally posted by spived2
I don't quite understand how holographic technology can make you seem transparent from all angles. That seems like it would be the greatest challenge, because you could see something as invisible using cameras and high resolution screens, but if you just change your height it will just seem odd and out of place.

What I mean is right now, the projected image is in 2d. Thus, if you see the projected image from an angle, itll seem disorted and out of place.

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That seems like it would be the greatest challenge, because you could see something as invisible using cameras and high resolution screens, but if you just change your height it will just seem odd and out of place.

Thats just what Im saying. Thats why there needs to be a way to correct the image so that it can work from any angle. Yeah, projecting holographic images does seem like the greatest challenge right now. But if somehow you can project the image from within the coat, I guess, it could be possible. Like the coat could act like a foldable screen. Or it could be divised so that each pixel is actually an independant screen in itself projecting a very small holographic image of the whats on the other side.

Destrox · 12-09-2003, 03:49 AM

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Originally posted by Orodinn
http://www.star.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/proj...ges/mirror.mpg

That video is freakin cool!

Thx for the vid.

Holo · 12-09-2003, 05:58 AM

Combine that with this and you've got a wicked ass suit.

Cynthetiq · 12-09-2003, 06:33 AM

maybe it should be called hi tech camoflauge suit or projector suit because that's not invisible at all.

troit · 12-09-2003, 07:37 AM

Your right Holo -- That's one hell of a suit...

analog · 12-09-2003, 01:41 PM

that's the URL for that fake time site. anyone can make a page that looks like a real TIME page. hate to burst the bubble here.

the picture shows a neat trick in photoshop, and the "mirror" is a great demonstration in basic key chromatography, which is the technical word for "blue-" or "green-screening" used on tv and movies. In high school I did the same thing with a black jacket, touting it as "invisible" by dialing up the black chroma key (the only color I could use, our blue didn't work) which basically changes the opacity of anything with that color on the first video input, allowing the secondary (background) to show through.

feelgood · 12-09-2003, 01:52 PM

I dunno bout you guys but I see myself in ladies change room in one of those suits...

-Pervert

Kush · 12-09-2003, 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by analog
that's the URL for that fake time site. anyone can make a page that looks like a real TIME page. hate to burst the bubble here.

the picture shows a neat trick in photoshop, and the "mirror" is a great demonstration in basic key chromatography, which is the technical word for "blue-" or "green-screening" used on tv and movies. In high school I did the same thing with a black jacket, touting it as "invisible" by dialing up the black chroma key (the only color I could use, our blue didn't work) which basically changes the opacity of anything with that color on the first video input, allowing the secondary (background) to show through.

http://www.star.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/proj...DIA/xv/oc.html

herostar · 12-09-2003, 03:40 PM

that's way cool, I'm sure it's impossible t be totally invisible though

rsl12 · 12-09-2003, 04:34 PM

in that same time article you linked, that "Super black" stuff, absorbing 99.7% of light, sounds really cool! I wonder what it looks like? I wonder what other practical applications there are to the blackest black ever....

bermuDa · 12-09-2003, 06:24 PM

i remember seeing videos of a guy wearing the sweatshirt on the street, with cars and bicycles going by. It's impressive, but still a projected camoflauge.

moonstrucksoul · 12-09-2003, 07:03 PM

that's tight

MacGnG · 12-09-2003, 07:32 PM

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Originally posted by Kush
http://www.star.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/proj...DIA/xv/oc.html

it's probably expensive tho, and none of us will get to play with it

Bloodslick · 12-09-2003, 09:52 PM

There was an article in Wired about this when it first hit. They pointed out the fact that yes, it's a mediocre image, and yes, there's distortion if the viewer isn't at the angle that the camera was at.

To create a truly "invisible" suit, they said, would take:

at least six cameras, one for "every" 3D POV
a fabric actually made of tiny, tiny LCDs
an astounding processor/graphics/cooling system to take input from the cameras, decide which output LCD it should go to, adjust light output so that the wearer wasn't a bright or a dark spot, and send the output to the screens

We're JUST not there yet, folks.

12-08-2003, 10:24 PM	#1 (permalink)
Orodinn Crazy	Invisible suit http://www.time.com/time/2003/invent...invisible.html I just saw this really cool invention. When people think of superpowers, invisibility is usually among the first 3 spots so no wonder it got chosen as one of the coolest invention of 2003. Now, the thing doesnt make you go invisible, but it does make you look transparent. Thats a good start. I believe that sometime in the future, itll be possible to go completely invisible. Its a long way before technology actually allows us so, but of all the problems with the current model, none of them are impossible to solve. If only they can improve the resolution of the image projected, project the image in such a way that the deformations of the suit are cancelled, project the image as an hologram so that it can make you look invisible from any angle and project the image from within the coat so that you dont have to constantly carry a projector around, youll have your fully working invisible coat!

12-08-2003, 10:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
spived2 Desert Rat Location: Arizona	I don't quite understand how holographic technology can make you seem transparent from all angles. That seems like it would be the greatest challenge, because you could see something as invisible using cameras and high resolution screens, but if you just change your height it will just seem odd and out of place. __________________ "This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is it vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished, as the once vital voice of the verisimilitude now venerates what they once vilified. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified, and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin vanguarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition. The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous. Verily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose vis-à-vis an introduction, and so it is my very good honor to meet you and you may call me V." - V

12-08-2003, 11:05 PM	#6 (permalink)
sailor beauty in the breakdown Location: Chapel Hill, NC	IIRC, the military has been working on such a system for some time now, but nothing really working has been achieved. For the moment, it seems more sci-fi than fact, but sometime in the relatively near future, absolutely. __________________ "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." --Plato

12-09-2003, 05:58 AM	#10 (permalink)
Holo A Real American	Combine that with this and you've got a wicked ass suit. __________________ I happen to like the words "fuck", "cock", "pussy", "tits", "cunt", "twat", "shit" and even "bitch". As long as I am not using them to describe you, don't go telling me whether or not I can/should use them...that is, if you want me to continue refraining from using them to describe you. ~Prince

12-09-2003, 06:33 AM	#11 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	maybe it should be called hi tech camoflauge suit or projector suit because that's not invisible at all. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

12-08-2003, 10:27 PM	#2 (permalink)
Batman976 is you wicked? Location: I live in a giant bucket.	That's pretty freakin' cool. I saw on Discovery or TLC (can't remember which) a similar technology used on tanks. How much longer until I can get one? Just a suit... I don't really need a tank.

12-08-2003, 10:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
rogue49 Loser	Um...I don't really want to be a nay-sayer here, but it "looks" like someone standing in front of a projector screen. That's not invisibility, that's just someone in a highly reflective jacket, in front of a projected picture. That's more like camouflage. There's a difference.

12-09-2003, 07:37 AM	#12 (permalink)
troit Transfer Agent Location: NYC	Your right Holo -- That's one hell of a suit... __________________ I've yet to dephile myself...

12-09-2003, 01:41 PM	#13 (permalink)
analog Banned	that's the URL for that fake time site. anyone can make a page that looks like a real TIME page. hate to burst the bubble here. the picture shows a neat trick in photoshop, and the "mirror" is a great demonstration in basic key chromatography, which is the technical word for "blue-" or "green-screening" used on tv and movies. In high school I did the same thing with a black jacket, touting it as "invisible" by dialing up the black chroma key (the only color I could use, our blue didn't work) which basically changes the opacity of anything with that color on the first video input, allowing the secondary (background) to show through. Last edited by analog; 12-09-2003 at 01:43 PM..

12-09-2003, 01:52 PM	#14 (permalink)
feelgood Free Mars! Location: I dunno, there's white people around me saying "eh" all the time	I dunno bout you guys but I see myself in ladies change room in one of those suits... -Pervert __________________ Looking out the window, that's an act of war. Staring at my shoes, that's an act of war. Committing an act of war? Oh you better believe that's an act of war

12-09-2003, 03:40 PM	#16 (permalink)
herostar Psycho Location: South Dakota	that's way cool, I'm sure it's impossible t be totally invisible though __________________ Got time to chill?

12-09-2003, 04:34 PM	#17 (permalink)
rsl12 On the lam Location: northern va	in that same time article you linked, that "Super black" stuff, absorbing 99.7% of light, sounds really cool! I wonder what it looks like? I wonder what other practical applications there are to the blackest black ever.... __________________ oh baby oh baby, i like gravy.

12-09-2003, 06:24 PM	#18 (permalink)
bermuDa don't ignore this--> Location: CA	i remember seeing videos of a guy wearing the sweatshirt on the street, with cars and bicycles going by. It's impressive, but still a projected camoflauge. __________________ I am the very model of a moderator gentleman.

12-09-2003, 07:03 PM	#19 (permalink)
moonstrucksoul hovering in the distance Location: the land of milk and honey	that's tight __________________ no signature required

12-09-2003, 09:52 PM	#21 (permalink)
Bloodslick Loser Location: a darkened back alley	There was an article in Wired about this when it first hit. They pointed out the fact that yes, it's a mediocre image, and yes, there's distortion if the viewer isn't at the angle that the camera was at. To create a truly "invisible" suit, they said, would take: at least six cameras, one for "every" 3D POV a fabric actually made of tiny, tiny LCDs an astounding processor/graphics/cooling system to take input from the cameras, decide which output LCD it should go to, adjust light output so that the wearer wasn't a bright or a dark spot, and send the output to the screens We're JUST not there yet, folks.