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punx1325 · 10-26-2003, 10:22 PM

I know for a lot of people this has nothing to do with them. But living in San Diego and being able to walk to the other side of campus and seeing the fires to me is a big deal. I was just wondering how other people in the area are dealing with this situation. I know I am preparing for the worst, I have already packed my bag and I am finding it hard to breathe. People in my dorm are coughing left and right. If things get worse I'm leaving the valley and staying with some people in the dorms that have houses outside of valley.

So what are your plans?

Jam · 10-26-2003, 10:26 PM

yeah well BC Canada is done burning for the year

it will probably stop down there eventually too

sorry bout the insensitvie post

i need to put that in perspective and think about it

10-27-2003, 12:27 AM

I am just north of Halx who is also in the thick of things in Simi Valley. Halx, I wish you the best of luck and I hope you and yours are doing well.

Bumm · 10-27-2003, 12:28 AM

i'm in so cal too.....ashes are rainging everywhere, and its impossible to go outside for some fresh air. i hope everything stays safe for you and anyone else ....

Cardinal Syn · 10-27-2003, 05:30 AM

Ditto to all those people and their families. Its a pretty sad thing to see fires spread. And then lose their domicile. Tis a sad thing :<

Gods speed to those.

costello · 10-27-2003, 06:01 AM

same feelings go out to you. im from arizona and our fires get pretty crazy too. keepin you all in my thoughts and prayers. be safe.

macmanmike6100 · 10-27-2003, 10:26 AM

i'm in downtown LA and am just hoping for those around me

b1naryb0r1s · 10-27-2003, 10:47 AM

good luck to those in the area around the fires. hopefully none of you will lose any of your possessions to this inferno.

ZërØ¢ØØ£ · 10-27-2003, 11:05 AM

heh, i'm basically in the middle of all this

<-- Camp Pendleton

Plan9Senior · 10-27-2003, 11:10 AM

I am from So Cal too and it is hard to even be outside without wanting to gag on ash. Each night my clothes smell like I have been standing too close to a campfire. The only thing positive out of this whole thing is the sunsets and sunrises are surreal and ominously beautiful because of the the smoke in the air painting everything orangeish red.

numberfive · 10-27-2003, 11:23 AM

Thankfully I'm pretty far away from the fires and don't have to worry much about it. My heart goes out to those who had to evacuate and especially to the people who lost loved ones in the fire.

punx1325 · 10-27-2003, 11:42 AM

Thank you all for your concern. It is still pretty quite on what is happening. Most of the freeways are closed still, and many of my friends who went home for the weekend are having trouble getting back. I guess I'm lucky compared to the now 800ish people whos homes are destroyed. I just want to say Thank You to the firefighters out there, putting their lives on the line. It's a hard job and they work their butts off.

Averett · 10-27-2003, 11:45 AM

I wish I could send over this rain we're getting.

It's amazing how one part of the country can be on fire while the other is under water.

quadro2000 · 10-27-2003, 11:48 AM

I'm not a religious person but my prayers are with all of you out there right now. Best of luck and please post on here as often as you can so we know you're safe.

punx1325 · 10-27-2003, 03:09 PM

I just found class is cancelled for tomorrow so I am leaving. I will try and get on the site and let you know how I am doing. This smoke is just really getting to me. So thanks again for everyones concern and I hope that anyone else that is in this situation that they are ok. Take my advice leave, being here isn't doing any good for your health.

Rodney · 10-27-2003, 04:30 PM

Good luck. I'm up on the Central Coast on Monterey Bay, and it could happen here just as easily as down there -- actually, it did a couple of days ago, had a fire over in the chapparal at Ford Ord near Monterey, but they got lucky. Here's hoping you all get some of that luck, and soon.

StormBerlin · 10-27-2003, 04:35 PM

I have a few friends around Lake Arrowhead, right above San Bernadino and they had to evacuate. Most likely they will lose thier houses... My sister is in Simi Valley and all her stuff is waiting in her car...

GuttersnipeXL · 10-27-2003, 04:50 PM

Hmmm...no fires here. The worst part about it is that some fools set the whole thing....arsonists who should be on trial for murder I say. It's pretty disgusting, the fact that people are out there who do these things. Hopefully it's all under control sooner than later.

Plan9Senior · 10-27-2003, 07:33 PM

I spoke too soon about the beauty of the fire. I now got a taste of the tragedy it brings today because I got a call from my cousin in San Diego who just lost his house this morning to the fires.

TheClarkster · 10-27-2003, 08:21 PM

I'm in the middle of Simi Valley, I've seen the fires come and go, and it just doesn't seem to want to let up. The fires are trapping us in town to boot. At least school is getting cancelled since a lot of people can't make it there.

punx1325 · 10-28-2003, 01:03 AM

I am safe at a friends house away from the fire. There is suppost to be a costal storm for Tuesday which would help the fires die a lot. I just hope this ends soon...

Litespeed · 10-28-2003, 02:26 PM

Been watching news reports and praying like mad for those who are affected by it all.

I'm coming home to LA on Friday, so I think it'll hit a little more closely to home as I see those once beautiful hillsides now nothing but ash...

goddfather40 · 10-28-2003, 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by GuttersnipeXL
Hmmm...no fires here. The worst part about it is that some fools set the whole thing....arsonists who should be on trial for murder I say. It's pretty disgusting, the fact that people are out there who do these things. Hopefully it's all under control sooner than later.

They already have a composite sketch of a suspect in the San Bernardino fire here
and he is indeed wanted for felony murder since I believe 4 people have died in that fire. It is getting pretty crazy up in the mountains out there, they have ordered the whole mountain evacuated, even to Big Bear. A damn shame. The firefighters are doing a hell of a job though and are doing their best.

burntmonkey · 10-28-2003, 04:16 PM

Does anyone know any news about who might be responsible for the fires?

I've heard everything from terrorists to pyromaniac arsonists.

bundy · 10-28-2003, 04:36 PM

best of luck to all of you Californian TFPrs, and best of luck to all of yours.

we know what its like. we feel for you.

smooth · 10-29-2003, 10:35 AM

I don't know if the non-Californians know or understand the gravity of the situation we are having but here is one of the latest from the Times. There are many other stories if you go to the front page. Ironically, maybe this fire will cool down the politics board if we step back and reflect on the seriousness of the situation.

My truck has about an 1/8 inch layer of ash in it as do everyone's cars around here. The sun has been orange for the past few days (it's a bit more clear today) due to the haze. One member of my research group called me Sunday to explain why she couldn't make it to our meeting--the roads had been blocked and she said that ash was falling so hard it sounded like rain. Anyway, here's the story:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...home-headlines

Quote:

The Agony of Leaving Some Behind
Fast-moving flames forced fire crews to leave a rural San Diego County enclave without warning homeowners, four of whom later died.

By Scott Glover, Jack Leonard and Matt Lait, Times Staff Writers

LAKESIDE, Calif. ? Two firefighters had reached the security gate of Lake View Hills Estates just ahead of the Cedar fire early Sunday but were ordered to retreat before they could warn homeowners, four of whom later died in the fire's path.

With no help from authorities, families of this secluded neighborhood in rural San Diego County had only minutes to decide how to escape the fire that also destroyed five homes.

"There was absolutely nothing we could do, short of getting ourselves killed," said Lakeside Fire Capt. Scott Culkin, who was in charge of the fire command post that night. "It was such a tremendous fire that if you stayed, you'd die. We knew that we were going to have some people who were trapped and were probably not going to make it."

Weary firefighters on Tuesday expressed frustration and anger that they were unable to help. "We lose some houses every once in a while," said Capt. Tim Macrorie. "We don't lose people."

"This is a devastating feeling for us," Culkin added. "We know what our jobs are."

Fire officials from Lakeside Fire Station 3 said they were outmaneuvered and overmatched against the fast-moving fire that jumped from hilltop to hilltop. Firefighters, some catching a break after working back-to-back shifts, said Tuesday they had never seen such a ferocious wildfire.

"People talk about firestorms," said Division Chief Ron Laff. "This was a firestorm plus."

Sometime after 3:05 a.m. Sunday, two firefighters in a paramedic unit drove to the security gate outside the 10-home enclave. The pair made sure that the gate was open. Within minutes of arriving and reporting the fire conditions over the radio, they were ordered to turn back.

Firefighters in nearby neighborhoods were also told to retreat. On the way out, however, they said they were able to alert some residents by banging on doors and honking air horns. Firefighters called through a bullhorn: Save your lives. Get out now.

Lake View Hills Estates residents were left to fend for themselves.

Fire Capt. Dan Marshall said his colleagues had to leave. "They were going to be enveloped in fire in a matter of minutes," he said. "Their escape route was going to be cut off. They were going to die."

Firefighter Bryan Peters, a three-year department veteran, said he was evacuating residents along Yerba Valley Road, about half a mile east of the Lake View Hills Estates, when "everything I could see turned into fire within a few seconds. I knew it was time to get the hell out of there."

As firefighters made their retreat, the fire bore down on them.

"I was convinced that whoever was left behind didn't have much of a chance," said Peters, a father of 14-month-old twins. Later that night, as he stared back into the fiery canyon, Peters and another firefighter broke into tears.

"I wish we could have done more," Peters said, wiping away fresh tears as he recounted the episode. "But we did everything we could."

Survivors described their terrifying ordeal. The first to leave their homes were able to escape on the neighborhood's only road out ? Muth Valley Road, which quickly turned into a fiery path. Others waited in their homes.

One couple found refuge in their swimming pool as the fire engulfed their home.

A family of three ? James Shohara, 63, Solange Shohara, 58, and their son Randy, 22 ? apparently were killed trying to escape to nearby San Vicente Reservoir.

Stephen Shacklett, 55, is believed to have died trying to drive his RV out Muth Valley Road.

Survivor Natalie Corbett, who called 911 and was told that firefighters had left the area, said she believed some sort of warning should have been issued, even if it was by helicopter.

But she wasn't angry: "I'm just glad to be alive."

Jodi Hamilton, who survived the fire along with her husband and 2-year-old son by dodging flames in their car, said firefighters "probably thought there was no hope. If I were them looking at us, in a gated community with one way out, I would have said, 'They're on their own.' "

Several residents said they saw the two firefighters as they prepared to leave their neighborhood.

Joe McLean, whose family was the first in the neighborhood to leave, said he didn't understand why they provided no warning.

"I never heard a siren, no one honked their horn, there were no bullhorns," he said.

"There was nothing. We were on our own. I understand that they were overwhelmed, but someone knew it was coming."

McLean said that when he and his family escaped the neighborhood in his car, he saw three fire engines parked less than a mile from the security gate.

One firetruck pulled out in front of him, and led him out of the canyon and the other two followed.

"I don't blame them," McLean said.

"They were saving their lives. The only thing I'm questioning is why wasn't there someone there hours before?"

For the firemen of Station 3, the Cedar fire was not considered a threat at first. It had begun miles away in a remote patch of the Cleveland National Forest.

The fire apparently was set Saturday afternoon by a hunter who became lost and wanted to signal for help. The blaze spread slowly at first, but it took fire crews six hours to reach it.

By then, it had grown significantly.

Lakeside Division Fire Chief Andy Parr monitored the fire's progress Saturday evening. He ordered backup crews to be on alert.

By midnight, Santa Ana winds were stoking the blaze and moving it closer.

About 2:30 a.m. Sunday, as Parr drove to survey the scene, he became alarmed by the fire's rapid movement.

He called his dispatch center and ordered his crews to start rolling. A staging area was set up near Wildcat Canyon and Muth Valley roads, about two miles southeast of Lake View Hills Estates.

Parr knew that the narrow, winding roads and the dry, overgrown brush were going to present dangerous conditions for firefighters.

He went on the radio and told his crew: "Firefighter safety is our No. 1 concern. We're all going home tomorrow. I don't want anyone getting trapped."

Within minutes of arriving at the staging area, firefighters were overwhelmed.

"It just explodes and explodes and explodes and before you know it, it's right on top of you," Macrorie said.

Parr, the top-ranking fire official on the scene, said he realized the implications of pulling back.

"I definitely felt that we were leaving people there who weren't going to get out.... I regret that I couldn't do more."

Nimbletoe · 10-29-2003, 01:05 PM

Arnold gets elected and half the state bursts into flames... coincidence?

But on a serious note, my heart goes out to everyone that loses homes or more sadly friends/family to these stupid fires.

Ustwo · 10-29-2003, 01:09 PM

The satalite photos of it are amazing. Scary amazing.

Apex Shok · 10-29-2003, 02:18 PM

I really wonder if this would have helped if initiated earlier.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/...ber/index.html

Interesting thought. I know the article is a year old but it takes at least that long before anything starts moving these days.

My heart goes out to all those effected.

Plazma · 10-29-2003, 03:23 PM

I saw a news story about a lady who was consumed by the fires because she was trying to save her horses. Her husband and duaghter survive her because they grabbed essentials and ran. IMO, its the lady's own fault for trying to save the horses. She's rich enough that she could buy more horses and obviously she'd be sad for losing the horses but I'd rather be sad for losing horses than dead for trying to save them and then failing to save them or myself.

JBX · 10-29-2003, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Plazma
I saw a news story about a lady who was consumed by the fires because she was trying to save her horses. Her husband and duaghter survive her because they grabbed essentials and ran. IMO, its the lady's own fault for trying to save the horses. She's rich enough that she could buy more horses and obviously she'd be sad for losing the horses but I'd rather be sad for losing horses than dead for trying to save them and then failing to save them or myself.

The problem is some people don't think anything bad can actually happen to them, so they take risks that endanger and sometimes kills them.

yellowgowild · 10-29-2003, 04:28 PM

I just want to apologise for leaving that campfire unattended.

Lebell · 10-29-2003, 06:36 PM

My prayers go out to everyone that has suffered in this horror.

Sparhawk · 10-29-2003, 07:13 PM

STOP THROWING YOUR CIGARETTE BUTTS OUT THE WINDOW!!!

There, I said it. My cousin lives out in the suburbs somewhere out in LA, I'm told he's fine though. The news reports this morning were pointing to arson as the cause of the flames? Haven't heard any more about it though.

rogue49 · 10-29-2003, 07:39 PM

Most of these huge, destructive blazes are the cause of arson.

The Carlsbad/Rancho fires were done by an ex-fire person.
He knew exactly what he was doing and where to start it.

I wonder what they can do to prevent these from reaching the scale they do.
Maybe get their brush and agriculture under control.

Peryn · 10-29-2003, 10:41 PM

The Ramona/Cedar fire was set by a hunter. He was lighting a signal fire for his buddy cause he was lost, and it apparently got out of hand. Do to the guilt, i doubt he will last 3 months before suicide...

Most of the other fires are arson related.

As for getting our agriculture under control...not many gardeners can be hired to take care of Cleveland National Forest. Not many people can make it rain more, or have found a way to rid the forest of the beetles killing hundreds of thousand of pine trees. There just isn't much we can do to get our agriculture under control. We live in a desert and we know it. It gets hot, and dry, and summer = fires in southern california. This time too many people decided to start their own, and their were too many to deal with. Perhaps we should increase our fire department funding though.

Nizzle · 10-30-2003, 12:59 AM

Isn't anyone going to blame this on the Liberals?

punx1325 · 10-30-2003, 01:17 AM

Thanks for all your support, I am now home today. The ash and smoke is gone in the immediate San Diego Area. School is suppost to start again tomorrow. Things here are slowly coming back to normal. Good Luck to everyone in the Ventura Fire!

captain · 10-30-2003, 06:10 AM

Arson seems to be the tool that starts these fires-the arsonists need to do hard time-but some forest management like clearing dead and diseased trees would remove fuel.

Many environmental groups do not want any clearing whatsoever to be accomplished. In fact they will tie the legislation up in litigation while 1800 homes burn and 18 people die.

There has to be a balance.

monty121052 · 10-31-2003, 07:28 AM

Australia went through this devestation last summer and my house was on the fringe of it.I really feel for the people affected,and wish them all the best of luck.Its a terribly frightening thing.

10-26-2003, 10:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
punx1325 Junkie Location: San Diego	Southern California Wildfires I know for a lot of people this has nothing to do with them. But living in San Diego and being able to walk to the other side of campus and seeing the fires to me is a big deal. I was just wondering how other people in the area are dealing with this situation. I know I am preparing for the worst, I have already packed my bag and I am finding it hard to breathe. People in my dorm are coughing left and right. If things get worse I'm leaving the valley and staying with some people in the dorms that have houses outside of valley. So what are your plans? __________________ If something seems too good to be true, then it probably is....

10-26-2003, 10:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
Jam Junkie	yeah well BC Canada is done burning for the year it will probably stop down there eventually too sorry bout the insensitvie post i need to put that in perspective and think about it Last edited by Jam; 10-27-2003 at 12:47 AM..

10-27-2003, 06:01 AM	#6 (permalink)
costello Insane Location: Tucson	same feelings go out to you. im from arizona and our fires get pretty crazy too. keepin you all in my thoughts and prayers. be safe. __________________ "They don't even know what it is to be a fan. Y'know? To truly love some silly little piece of music, or some band, so much that it hurts." -Almost Famous

10-27-2003, 11:05 AM	#9 (permalink)
ZërØ¢ØØ£ Sergeant Location: Camp Pendleton, CA	heh, i'm basically in the middle of all this <-- Camp Pendleton __________________ "Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin DONATE TO THE TFP

10-27-2003, 11:23 AM	#11 (permalink)
numberfive You + Me = Us Location: California dreaming...	Thankfully I'm pretty far away from the fires and don't have to worry much about it. My heart goes out to those who had to evacuate and especially to the people who lost loved ones in the fire. __________________ P.S. Always remember: to forget is a form of suicide. (If I could only remember to forget myself.)

10-27-2003, 12:27 AM	#3 (permalink)
wow Guest	I am just north of Halx who is also in the thick of things in Simi Valley. Halx, I wish you the best of luck and I hope you and yours are doing well.

10-27-2003, 12:28 AM	#4 (permalink)
Bumm Tilted	i'm in so cal too.....ashes are rainging everywhere, and its impossible to go outside for some fresh air. i hope everything stays safe for you and anyone else ....

10-27-2003, 05:30 AM	#5 (permalink)
Cardinal Syn Insane Location: Arizona	Ditto to all those people and their families. Its a pretty sad thing to see fires spread. And then lose their domicile. Tis a sad thing :< Gods speed to those.

10-27-2003, 10:26 AM	#7 (permalink)
macmanmike6100 High Honorary Junkie Location: Tri-state.	i'm in downtown LA and am just hoping for those around me

10-27-2003, 10:47 AM	#8 (permalink)
b1naryb0r1s Crazy Location: Murfreesboro	good luck to those in the area around the fires. hopefully none of you will lose any of your possessions to this inferno.

10-27-2003, 11:10 AM	#10 (permalink)
Plan9Senior Banned Location: Orange County, California	I am from So Cal too and it is hard to even be outside without wanting to gag on ash. Each night my clothes smell like I have been standing too close to a campfire. The only thing positive out of this whole thing is the sunsets and sunrises are surreal and ominously beautiful because of the the smoke in the air painting everything orangeish red.

10-27-2003, 11:42 AM	#12 (permalink)
punx1325 Junkie Location: San Diego	Thank you all for your concern. It is still pretty quite on what is happening. Most of the freeways are closed still, and many of my friends who went home for the weekend are having trouble getting back. I guess I'm lucky compared to the now 800ish people whos homes are destroyed. I just want to say Thank You to the firefighters out there, putting their lives on the line. It's a hard job and they work their butts off. __________________ If something seems too good to be true, then it probably is....

10-27-2003, 11:45 AM	#13 (permalink)
Averett Is In Love Location: I'm workin' on it	I wish I could send over this rain we're getting. It's amazing how one part of the country can be on fire while the other is under water. __________________ Absence is to love what wind is to fire. It extinguishes the small, it enkindles the great.

10-27-2003, 11:48 AM	#14 (permalink)
quadro2000 All Possibility, Made Of Custard Location: New York, NY	I'm not a religious person but my prayers are with all of you out there right now. Best of luck and please post on here as often as you can so we know you're safe. __________________ You have to laugh at yourself...because you'd cry your eyes out if you didn't. - Emily Saliers

10-27-2003, 03:09 PM	#15 (permalink)
punx1325 Junkie Location: San Diego	I just found class is cancelled for tomorrow so I am leaving. I will try and get on the site and let you know how I am doing. This smoke is just really getting to me. So thanks again for everyones concern and I hope that anyone else that is in this situation that they are ok. Take my advice leave, being here isn't doing any good for your health. __________________ If something seems too good to be true, then it probably is....

10-29-2003, 01:09 PM	#28 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	The satalite photos of it are amazing. Scary amazing. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

10-27-2003, 04:30 PM	#16 (permalink)
Rodney Observant Ruminant Location: Rich Wannabe Hippie Town	Good luck. I'm up on the Central Coast on Monterey Bay, and it could happen here just as easily as down there -- actually, it did a couple of days ago, had a fire over in the chapparal at Ford Ord near Monterey, but they got lucky. Here's hoping you all get some of that luck, and soon.

10-27-2003, 04:35 PM	#17 (permalink)
StormBerlin Happy as a hippo Location: Southern California	I have a few friends around Lake Arrowhead, right above San Bernadino and they had to evacuate. Most likely they will lose thier houses... My sister is in Simi Valley and all her stuff is waiting in her car... __________________ "if anal sex could get a girl pregnant i'd be tits deep in child support" Arcane

10-27-2003, 04:50 PM	#18 (permalink)
GuttersnipeXL Giggity Giggity!! Location: N'York	Hmmm...no fires here. The worst part about it is that some fools set the whole thing....arsonists who should be on trial for murder I say. It's pretty disgusting, the fact that people are out there who do these things. Hopefully it's all under control sooner than later. __________________ When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. HST

10-27-2003, 07:33 PM	#19 (permalink)
Plan9Senior Banned Location: Orange County, California	I spoke too soon about the beauty of the fire. I now got a taste of the tragedy it brings today because I got a call from my cousin in San Diego who just lost his house this morning to the fires.

10-27-2003, 08:21 PM	#20 (permalink)
TheClarkster Very Proud of Ya Location: Simi Valley, CA	I'm in the middle of Simi Valley, I've seen the fires come and go, and it just doesn't seem to want to let up. The fires are trapping us in town to boot. At least school is getting cancelled since a lot of people can't make it there. __________________ Do not speak Latin in front of the books.

10-28-2003, 01:03 AM	#21 (permalink)
punx1325 Junkie Location: San Diego	I am safe at a friends house away from the fire. There is suppost to be a costal storm for Tuesday which would help the fires die a lot. I just hope this ends soon... __________________ If something seems too good to be true, then it probably is....

10-28-2003, 02:26 PM	#22 (permalink)
Litespeed Loser Location: Thousand Oaks, CA	Been watching news reports and praying like mad for those who are affected by it all. I'm coming home to LA on Friday, so I think it'll hit a little more closely to home as I see those once beautiful hillsides now nothing but ash...

10-28-2003, 04:16 PM	#24 (permalink)
burntmonkey Tilted	Does anyone know any news about who might be responsible for the fires? I've heard everything from terrorists to pyromaniac arsonists.

10-28-2003, 04:36 PM	#25 (permalink)
bundy . Location: Tokyo	best of luck to all of you Californian TFPrs, and best of luck to all of yours. we know what its like. we feel for you. __________________ Ohayo!!!

10-29-2003, 01:05 PM	#27 (permalink)
Nimbletoe Junkie Location: Michigan	Arnold gets elected and half the state bursts into flames... coincidence? But on a serious note, my heart goes out to everyone that loses homes or more sadly friends/family to these stupid fires. __________________ Go Pistons!

10-29-2003, 02:18 PM	#29 (permalink)
Apex Shok Tilted Location: Vancouver, Washington	I really wonder if this would have helped if initiated earlier. http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/...ber/index.html Interesting thought. I know the article is a year old but it takes at least that long before anything starts moving these days. My heart goes out to all those effected. __________________ Generic Suburban Dad Last edited by Apex Shok; 10-29-2003 at 02:34 PM..

10-29-2003, 03:23 PM	#30 (permalink)
Plazma Upright	I saw a news story about a lady who was consumed by the fires because she was trying to save her horses. Her husband and duaghter survive her because they grabbed essentials and ran. IMO, its the lady's own fault for trying to save the horses. She's rich enough that she could buy more horses and obviously she'd be sad for losing the horses but I'd rather be sad for losing horses than dead for trying to save them and then failing to save them or myself.

10-29-2003, 04:28 PM	#32 (permalink)
yellowgowild Psycho Location: Tampa	I just want to apologise for leaving that campfire unattended.

10-29-2003, 06:36 PM	#33 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	My prayers go out to everyone that has suffered in this horror. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

10-29-2003, 07:13 PM	#34 (permalink)
Sparhawk Dubya Location: VA	STOP THROWING YOUR CIGARETTE BUTTS OUT THE WINDOW!!! There, I said it. My cousin lives out in the suburbs somewhere out in LA, I'm told he's fine though. The news reports this morning were pointing to arson as the cause of the flames? Haven't heard any more about it though. __________________ "In Iraq, no doubt about it, it's tough. It's hard work. It's incredibly hard. It's - and it's hard work. I understand how hard it is. I get the casualty reports every day. I see on the TV screens how hard it is. But it's necessary work. We're making progress. It is hard work."

10-29-2003, 07:39 PM	#35 (permalink)
rogue49 Loser	Most of these huge, destructive blazes are the cause of arson. The Carlsbad/Rancho fires were done by an ex-fire person. He knew exactly what he was doing and where to start it. I wonder what they can do to prevent these from reaching the scale they do. Maybe get their brush and agriculture under control.

10-29-2003, 10:41 PM	#36 (permalink)
Peryn Junkie Location: San Diego, CA.	The Ramona/Cedar fire was set by a hunter. He was lighting a signal fire for his buddy cause he was lost, and it apparently got out of hand. Do to the guilt, i doubt he will last 3 months before suicide... Most of the other fires are arson related. As for getting our agriculture under control...not many gardeners can be hired to take care of Cleveland National Forest. Not many people can make it rain more, or have found a way to rid the forest of the beetles killing hundreds of thousand of pine trees. There just isn't much we can do to get our agriculture under control. We live in a desert and we know it. It gets hot, and dry, and summer = fires in southern california. This time too many people decided to start their own, and their were too many to deal with. Perhaps we should increase our fire department funding though. __________________ Dont cry kid, It's not your fault you suck.

10-30-2003, 12:59 AM	#37 (permalink)
Nizzle God-Hating Liberal Location: Silicon Valley, CA	Isn't anyone going to blame this on the Liberals? __________________ Nizzle

10-30-2003, 01:17 AM	#38 (permalink)
punx1325 Junkie Location: San Diego	Thanks for all your support, I am now home today. The ash and smoke is gone in the immediate San Diego Area. School is suppost to start again tomorrow. Things here are slowly coming back to normal. Good Luck to everyone in the Ventura Fire! __________________ If something seems too good to be true, then it probably is....

10-30-2003, 06:10 AM	#39 (permalink)
captain Crazy	Arson seems to be the tool that starts these fires-the arsonists need to do hard time-but some forest management like clearing dead and diseased trees would remove fuel. Many environmental groups do not want any clearing whatsoever to be accomplished. In fact they will tie the legislation up in litigation while 1800 homes burn and 18 people die. There has to be a balance. __________________ captain