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numberfive

Didn't see that coming.

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Heh.
Nevermind the fact that MSNBC decided to base this on exit polls.

It's on the internet, it MUST be true!

(*cough*Dewey defeats Truman*cough*)

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K-Wise

They'll be a T4. They wouldn't dare replace him....they'd prolly post-pone it till about a decade before they make the next one lets not forget T2 was 1991...then T3 comes along in 2003. Over a decade to release the third and no one cared...I thought it was great and I don't mind that it took em over a decade before they released it. Ya don't think he's gonna be Governor or whatever he ran for forever do you? C'mon now people.

Asta!!

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Pragma

They said, right after T3 came out, that the were plans for T4 to get made with the same John Connor, whether or not Arnold could be in it.

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fuhrerhat, please refrain from just posting a link in any thread discussion. It's a discussion board not a link embed board. Please post threads in a manner that promotes discussions, which means put a title that makes sense to the thread, copy the story you want people to read AND say something of your own opinion...

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California recall voting winds down
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California voters expressed unhappiness with the job that incumbent Gray Davis has done as governor in early NBC News exit polling. But among those voters interviewed thus far, half said they have a favorable opinion of Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger. Voters expressed misgivings about his campaign, with a majority of those polled saying he evaded the issues in his nine-week campaign.

THE SPECTACLE of California's recall election drew to a close Tuesday, as voters turned out in substantial numbers to decide whether to depose Davis -- and perhaps replace him with Schwarzenegger, Hollywood action hero and novice politician.
Davis fought to avoid becoming the nation's first governor in 82 years to be recalled from office. He was elected to a second term just 11 months ago, but with less than 50 percent of the vote, dragged down by his personal unpopularity and voters' anger over the state's struggling economy.

Recent polls suggested voters favored throwing the Democratic incumbent out of office and installing the moderate Republican Schwarzenegger. But it was uncertain whether the "Terminator" star's appeal had been tarnished by 11th-hour allegations that he groped women and spoke admiringly of Adolf Hitler.

Hundreds of Republican and Democratic party lawyers scoured polling places Tuesday for irregularities. Polling stations were scheduled to close at 8 p.m. PT (11 p.m. ET), but Democratic officials said they would be ready to seek an injunction to keep polls open later if they found any problems or delays in the voting.

Democratic officials said they were especially concerned about potential problems in Los Angeles County, where most voters were using a punch-card ballot. The county is also using 60 percent fewer polling sites than in last November's general election.

NBC EXIT POLL FINDS UNHAPPY VOTERS
With the recall vote's outcome still unknown, voters expressed opinions on other questions in an early NBC News exit poll. The pre-election polls consistently found substantial discontent among Californians with Davis' performance. The voters who cast their ballots Tuesday were also not pleased with the leadership that the Democratic incumbent has shown. Fully half of the voters said they strongly disapprove of the job that Davis has done as governor; nearly one in four somewhat disapproves of his work.

On the other side, just about one in four voters approves of the job Davis has done, with 7 percent giving him strong approval and 20 percent expressing a more reserved positive view.

Nearly three-quarters of voters -- 72 percent -- said they disapprove of the job Davis has done as governor.

Many voters had already voted using absentee ballots. But among those who voted in person thus far Tuesday, only 10 percent said they made up their minds in the past week. Fully 83 percent said they had decided over a month ago.

The NBC News exit poll on the California recall election is based on interviews with voters outside polling places on Tuesday across the state, as well as with those who voted by absentee ballot.

The early exit poll data is based on interviews with more than 2,415 voters as they left 60 precincts across the state on Tuesday. In addition, the data includes the results of telephone interviews with 400 California citizens who voted via absentee ballots before Election Day. The telephone interviews were conducted from Sept. 29 through Oct. 5.

'ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIC'
Davis and the leading candidates to replace him, meanwhile, had all voted by midday.

"I feel absolutely terrific," said Davis, a Democrat, who voted in West Hollywood. "I have always trusted the voters of California, and I know they're going to do the right thing today."

Schwarzenegger, whom opinion polls had shown as the leading replacement candidate, created a stir when he arrived to vote with his wife, Maria Shriver, at a Pacific Palisades mansion. Hundreds of people were there, most of them reporters and photographers.

(Shriver is on leave from "Dateline NBC." MSNBC is a joint venture of Microsoft and NBC News.)

Schwarzenegger said he had no trouble going through the 135 candidates to find his name at his polling place in Los Angeles: "You always look for the longest name."

CHARACTER MATTERS
While officials expected a heavy turnout, others said campaign mudslinging could have turned off many potential voters.

The final days of campaigning focused on character instead of issues, largely because of sexual misconduct allegations against Schwarzenegger, who acknowledged that he had "behaved badly" in the past but accused Davis of "dirty campaigning."

That did not stop the Democratic Party machine, which has been running television ads asking women if they really wanted a governor who was facing allegations that he groped women. The impact of the issue was difficult to predict, however, because 2 million voters had already cast absentee ballots before the allegations surfaced Thursday.

Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante, the only prominent Democrat on the ballot, and Republican state Sen. Tom McClintock remained the only other candidates polling in double digits.

RESULTS COULD BE SLOW
A close vote could delay the results for days, while also leading to recount demands.

The chaotic campaign, which survived a handful of legal challenges after a Republican-led effort brought it to the ballot, was without parallel in the Golden State.

Those who did turn out were asked to choose the ending of a saga that has captivated the nation for months: whether Davis becomes the nation's second governor to be recalled, and if so, who should replace him. The governor of North Dakota, recalled in 1921, is the only U.S. governor to ever be voted out of office in a special recall election.

There have been 31 previous attempts to force a recall vote in California, including three against Gov. Ronald Reagan in the 1960s. All but a handful failed to gather enough petition signatures to force an election.

SCHWARZENEGGER STRATEGY
With allegations dogging him that he had groped and sexually harassed as many as 16 women over the last three decades, Schwarzenegger spent the last day of campaigning Monday with his wife and other female supporters.

Later, in Huntington Beach, Schwarzenegger was joined at a rally by his mother-in-law, Eunice Kennedy Shriver, who hugged and kissed him as he began speaking.

Scores of female supporters stood behind him at events, holding signs proclaiming "Remarkable Women Join Arnold." As he took the stage at one event, the actor smiled broadly and said, "To all the incredible women, thank you."

Schwarzenegger continued to hammer away at Davis, telling supporters in San Jose that he fell among a class of politicians who only knew how to "spend, spend, spend" and "tax, tax, tax."

DAVIS STRATEGY
For his part, Davis reached out to his core of labor support, marching Monday in San Francisco with hundreds of firefighters, most of them in blue "No Recall" T-shirts. Many in the crowd were out-of-state residents attending a safety conference.

"If you give me the chance to finish my term, I will do it with all the passion, all the humanity I can muster because my goal is to make your life better," Davis told the crowd, which was chanting, "No recall! No recall!"

Davis' popularity plunged following the downturn in the economy and the burst of the high-tech bubble in particular. Californians face an $8 billion state budget deficit, persistent unemployment and struggling schools.

BUSTAMANTE, MCCLINTOCK
Bustamante, who once led among replacement candidates in independent polls, said his internal polls showed him closing on Schwarzenegger.

Bustamante acknowledged in an interview Tuesday with MSNBC-TV that while he had campaigned against the recall, "yes, I would be disappointed" if it failed.

"But you carry on," he told MSNBC's Ashleigh Banfield in Elk Grove, the Sacramento suburb where he had just voted. Noting that even if he were elected governor, he would not take office for as long as a month, he said, "Wednesday morning at 9 o'clock, I will be back at work as lieutenant governor."

Looming over the voting were the allegations, including more from a woman who came forward Monday, that Schwarzenegger groped the women and sometimes made crude comments during encounters dating from 1970 to 2000.

McClintock and Bustamante said the allegations were helping their campaigns.

McClintock, who has rejected Republican pressure to drop out of the race, said he was skeptical of the eleventh-hour complaints. But he also indicated that the allegations were boosting his standing among voters. "People are saying, 'Thank God you stayed in the race,'" McClintock told MSNBC on Monday.

LATEST ALLEGATION
The latest woman to come forward, Rhonda Miller of Los Angeles, said Schwarzenegger lifted her shirt to photograph her breasts and groped her twice, in 1991 when she worked as a stunt double on the film "Terminator 2: Judgment Day" and again in 1994 on the set of "True Lies."

Schwarzenegger did not mention the allegations at campaign stops, but in a statement, he denied Miller's claims while admitting making crude comments about photographs of staff members posted in a trailer during the filming of "Terminator 2."

"If my crude comments offended anyone, I apologize. And as I have stated a number of times in this campaign, I have occasionally engaged in rowdy behavior. With regards to all of the other comments that were made by Ms. Miller, they did not occur," the statement said.

Support for the recall has run between 50 percent and 60 percent in numerous polls in the past month. But Davis told NBC News on Sunday that he felt "a sea change in the last 72 hours," with an internal poll showing voters about even on whether to recall him.

That time period coincides with the allegations against Schwarzenegger. First, Los Angeles Times reporting led to 11 women who alleged that he had groped them in incidents from 1975 to 2000. Then a film producer alleged that the actor had expressed some admiration for Adolf Hitler. And Sunday, four more women stepped forward claiming sexual harassment.




MSNBC's Ashleigh Banfield and David Shuster,

The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.

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anleja

$175,000 yearly salary for being California governor.
$30,000,000 for being in Terminator 3.
If anyone is interested.

Halx

only 12% reporting so far.. *shrug*

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anleja

When the thread title was actually "I Guess There Won't Be A Terminator 4" it actually seemed people were starting to write specifically about the chances of Terminator 4 being made. I'm sure the original intention WAS to state Schwartzenegger as the winner as opposed to the future of the film franchise, I just thought it was funny how people focused more on the movie than him being governor.

Ha ha, looks like you guys will now have to merge "Politics" with "Entertainment" to satisfy the desires of the masses.

Okay, I'm tired, please disregard this whole post.

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nothingx

Who'd you vote for Halx?

K-Wise

Shouldn't this have been moved to Tilted Politics a long time ago? Mine always get moved in a matter of hours, sometimes minutes

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bobw

God I'm glad I moved !

guthmund

Everybody was jumping on this from the get go.

I flipped over to CNN, FOXNews, and MSNBC along with some local stations and Arnold's name was everywhere

I mean, great googly-moogly, let'em count the votes before you start schmoozing and bringing out the "experts" on the implications of the recall blah blah blah, Christ?!?!

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bermuDa

sigh... i predicted this when arnold first threw his hat into the ring. The only good thing is arnold knows enough to realize he doesn't know shit, and his staff is composed primarily of old wilson people, who are competent.

At least Arnold isn't going to be a micromanager like Davis.

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numberfive

They interupped One Tree Hill so Davis could give his loser speech.

Jerks.

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bernadette

the kennedys... do they still have the same influence & power they once had?

kennedys + hollywood

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BoCo

It's official now: Arnold has really won. Gray Davis is probably already plotting his revenge.

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Halx

I voted against the recall

I dont wanna condone this kinda shit. "Oh we don't like the governor! Let's collect 1000 signatures from soccer moms outside of the local super market and get the whole state to recall him!"

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Mitzkrieg

heh, come on now Hal.... 1.5 million plus, signed the petition. kinda cracked me up hearing the argument all through the recall about how silly it was that all you needed was 350,000 signatures to get the recall going and how it was too little. and that if this happens, it would start a trend for recalls to happen every election.

but like i said, look how many people signed the petition. by the time the votes are in, Arnold will easily have 2.5 million votes for him. also, in the past 8 gubenatorial elections in california, a recall HAS been attempted. they just never amounted to anything. and only one recall has succeeded besides this one in the last 80 years!

me personally, i don't align myself with any particular party. i prefer to research the candidates as much as i can and pick the person who i agree with most on all the perspective issues at hand. i was skeptical about all this before the petition for recall was approved. but after researching the "name" candidates, even down to the green party rep, Camejo, i believe Arnold will actually do a good job. Arnold knows more than people think. saying that he doesn't know shit is kinda ignorant in my opinion, and shows that you haven't really researched into much at all. i think that's one of the major problems about voters is they look to much to the media and smear tactics to help them make their decisions.

if any of you had actually read through Arnold's agenda, i think you'd be suprised. i know i was!

Great Scott

Should be interesting to say the least. The recall thing was funny, I agree but held up to the Democratic process. I have always thought Arnold to be a very intelligent guy, support of Kurt Waldheim notwhithstanding. I am curious to see what he does in office, and just think, now you have precedent to recall him.

World's King

ALL YOUR RECALL ARE BELONG TO US

Who won what?

*goes back to not paying attention*

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Fremen

Governor Schwarzeneggar.....Governor Schwarzeneggar......Governor Schwarzeneggar......kinda rolls off your tongue, eh?
Come on you Colly-fawnions, togatha we cahn...Pump!......you up.

Anybody here unashamedly vote for Schwarzeneggar?


Is it too late to recall President "Podium Leaner" Bush?

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Mitzkrieg

yup, i voted for arnold. like i said in my above post, i was skeptical, but after researching the candidates, i found that i agreed more with arnolds agenda than any of the other candidates. i can honestly say that if i did not think there was a worthy candidate that could make a change, i would have voted no on the recall.

Bill O'Rights

Damn...and I was rooting for Mary Carey.

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Mr. Spacemonkey

Go Arnold! This should be great stuff for all the comedians and talk show hosts out there.

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water_boy1999

I agree. And to further the point, Arnold is taking an approach that Davis never sought out......by asking for support from the people of California. Funny how Davis only started to entertain the people after the fact that he was going to be ousted. He repeatedly quoted how he was wrong by not being closer to the people and how hard he will try to bridge that gap. When Arnold came into the light with is agenda, it was always about the people and not politics.

Arnold has always been a driven individual, has been successful in everything he does because he is motivated, strong willed, and a competent professional. In addition, he was honest by telling the people of California that he might not be the most saavy political opponent to Davis, but with the brainpower of his staff and the support of the people, he will be a great Governor. I believe that, so I voted for him.

Sledge

I don't feel one way or another about the issue, but I think it's interesting that the old American dream about any old guy being president (or governor) is pretty much dead.

Lebell

???

You're kidding right?

If not, you must not know Arnold's history, because he's the perfect example of an immigrant kid who started with nothing and worked his ass off to get where he is today.

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Mr. Mojo

I dont understand this -

Gary Coleman came in 8th

Mary Carey came in 10th

Huffington came in 5th...there is no jebus

Gary Coleman is a much better candidate

<b>Guess there is no Terminator IV
But mary carey will do a Sperminator XVI</b>

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collide

Skynet wins!

Are people in Minnesota pointing and laughing at us now?

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crow_daw

I'm just really anxious to see how Arnold responds to the amount of responsibility he now has, but as Lebell said, he's obviously one hell of a hard worker.

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Lyaec123

Goooooooooooooo Arnold... that guy is such a pimp.

madsenj37

I live in one county he didnt win and go to school in another he didnt win in, thank god. He only lost in 8 counties.

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Midnight_Son

in the future, we will be the joke of the past.

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druptight

is arnold really going to be any good?

yournamehere

Yes, <b>Halx</b> - but this is 21st century America - where nobody expects to be held accountable for their actions.

So now - even elections have Mulligans.

Tragic, isn't it?

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thenewguy

Tragic to be sure. Now the fact that we get to vote doesn't even mean anything. No, just pony up a million and get less than 5% of the people to sign on the dotted line, and we'll have ourselves another election. Never mind that we just had one a year ago.

And lets not forget that the guy who got elected has zero political experience and hasn't managed anyone anytime ever. No, just give him the job - he looks good on TV, doesn't he? And he doesn't bother with those issues that everyone is concerned about. No, he's gonna save me $50 on my next car tabs, so give him a chance.

Pathetic.

I can only hope that someone with a bigger attitude than me and another million can get another recall started, just to show the idiots what kind of circus this really is.

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vermin

I predicted this shortly after he announced he was running. Never underestimate the ability of people to blur fantasy and reality.

Something to take to heart and remember always:

Just because an actor plays a likeable character, it doesn't mean (s)he's not a complete jackass in real life. See Kevin Costner, Janeanne Garofaolo, Harrison Ford, etc.

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Baldrick

Oliver Gruner for President in 2004!

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