Men Behaving Badly - Why? - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Mind_Storm · 09-24-2003, 04:06 PM

Men Behaving Badly - Why?

July 15, 2003

by Dr. Karl Glasson, Ph.D.

Many males in western societies seem to be behaving very badly these days.

They seem to be becoming more involved with crime. They seem to be growing more dishonest. They seem to be increasingly hostile and aggressive toward others. They seem less committed to their partners and to their families. They are clearly doing less well in terms of their education. And they seem to be more pre-occupied with their own narrow self-interests than they used to be.

Why is this so?

What can possibly account for this apparent deterioration in the behaviours of western men?

Have their genes suddenly taken a dive for the worse?

Or are they simply responding to the way in which western societies treat them these days?

In my view, the major cause of what seems to be a significant deterioration in the behaviours of men is, quite simply, feminism.

Indeed, the evidence that damns feminism is overwhelming.

The evidence shows that feminism is not only the primary cultural cause of the current-day bad behaviours of men, it is also the primary cultural cause of very many other current-day serious societal problems.

Before demonstrating to readers how it is that feminism is largely responsible for the current bad behaviours of men, it is important to understand the two following points.

1. Feminism - together with political correctness - has been the most influential ideology in western societies for the past three decades. There are no other ideologies that even come to it in terms of the extent to which it has penetrated western societies.

Feminism has penetrated very deeply western governments, western laws, western social services, western universities, western colleges, western schools, western media, western families, western bedrooms and western minds.

And it has done so for three decades - a decade longer than even Hitler had - with far fewer resources - in which to stir up his mass hatred toward the Jews.

Feminism has been hugely influential.

And one of its main successes has been the wholesale demonisation of males.

2. Political correctness has been aggressively supported and strongly buttressed by feminists. Indeed, feminists have done their level best to promote any activity which undermines men - particularly white heterosexual ones.

And political correctness has been a very useful weapon for them in this respect.

But the point here is this.

Every ill that can be blamed on political correctness, can also be blamed on those who endorse and underpin it. And no group has done more to foist political correctness on to western societies than the feminists.

For three decades, the feminists and the politically correct have engaged in a wholesale onslaught against white heterosexual men.

White men have been persistently accused of being racist by highly vocal racial activists and racial minorities, and their history and their forefathers have been thoroughly undermined and blackened - to the extent that many racial activists are now demanding reparations for past slavery.

Heterosexual men have been continually portrayed as being violent, abusive, oppressors of women by mainstream feminists and a whole plethora of abuse professionals who have a vested interest in portraying men in this way.

Heterosexual men have also been represented by the beautifully orchestrated gay lobby as being bigoted and fearful of their own sexuality.

All men have been assaulted almost ceaselessly by various women's groups, children's groups, social service workers, therapists and analysts who have sought to indoctrinate the population with the view that men are abusers of children.

The ubiquitous feminist-fearing mainstream media have consistently sought to demonise and humiliate the entire male gender - a typical example of which can be seen in the recent vindictive column by Maureen Dowd in the New York Times entitled Incredible Shrinking Y.

And the all-powerful western governments together with the legal profession have almost disempowered men completely when it comes to their families, their relationships and their homes, on the grounds that women and children are often better off without them. (The Federal Bureau of Marriage? by Professor Stephen Baskerville gives a good insight into how this is being achieved.)

In view of all this, is it surprising to find that men are behaving badly?

If A keeps telling B that he considers him to be worthless, and continues to accuse him of things that he has not done, and persistently undermines him in relation to his family and to his children, and continually seeks to portray him as an abuser and an oppressor, who should be surprised if B finally turns his back on A?

Indeed, who should be surprised if B decides to give A a bloody nose?

Well. This is the kind of thing that has been going on in western societies for a long time now thanks to the wholesale demonisation of males by the feminists.

And many millions of men are - and have been - responding to this by turning their backs on their own societies.

Indeed, they are not only increasingly refusing to support their own societies, many are, in fact, responding by giving them a bloody nose! - crime, violence etc.

Well. Let us look at some of the reasons why western men might have become this way as a result of feminism (and, indeed, as a result of political correctness).

1. The constant feminist-inspired demonisation and denigration of men throughout the west has resulted not only in many of them feeling worthless, with the result that they now reject the worthwhile values of their own societies (with some turning to crime, drugs, irresponsible behaviours etc) it has also undermined any reason for them to shape up.

You might as well be hung for being a sheep as a lamb!

Furthermore, the ubiquitous negative descriptions of men that continually pour out of the mainstream media simply make many men feel quite entitled to behave in accordance with those very same descriptions!

For example, I once saw a headline in a newspaper complaining about the fact that, "Men do not do housework."

As a taunt to my partner, I cut out the headline and stuck it on the notice board in the kitchen. But I added the following words underneath it. "Well, if men are not doing any housework, then neither am I!"

The point is that if men are persistently deemed to be slothful - or whatever - then many men, with much justification, will see no reason to behave any differently from the way in which they and their fellow men are being depicted.

2. The western educational system has been so heavily biased against boys for the past few decades that they are doing very badly at school. Not only have the educationalists been using diabolically poor teaching methods (e.g. in their teaching of reading skills) but the curricula have been so feminised and politically corrected that boys quickly lose any interest that they might have had in being 'educated'.

This, coupled with poor standards of discipline, has led to our societies having to bear the burden of having millions of undisciplined, uneducated males in their midsts.

3. The effect of feminism and political correctness in education - e.g. in the study of History - and in the mainstream media, where 'great white men of noble character' are hardly seen to exist any more means that there are few good role models for boys in their growing years. And the images of men that are daily inflicted upon young men and boys are overwhelmingly negative.

Is it surprising, therefore, that so many men actually have no real concept of what a 'good man' is?

Such men do not exist in the world that is being presented to them.

4. Thanks to the wholesale corruption of the family courts and the "no-fault" divorce laws, men no longer have any real motivation to devote most of their lives, their love, their money etc into bringing up a family. Why should they - when it can all be taken away from them at the whim of their partners?

Furthermore, prejudicial 'relationship laws' - such as those pertaining to domestic violence and child abuse etc - make men feel very insecure within their relationships.

And to add to all this there is the daily carpeting of man-hatred that pours out of the feminist-dominated media telling women and children to report their partners for abuse of some sort.

Well. There are only two main ways in which men can deal with the relationship insecurity that all this brings about.

Firstly, they can stop caring very much about their relationships so that they are not too hurt when they eventually break down.

Secondly, they can refrain completely from committing themselves to, or from investing in, any long-term serious ones.

And, indeed, this is exactly what the research shows western men to be doing.

5. The welfare system hotly promoted and buttressed both by the feminists and the politically correct supports single motherhood. And the same is true for the laws concerning child-support payments and alimony.

These not only make fathers and husbands redundant, they also encourage their very own women and children to see them in exactly this way.

Men are, therefore, easily rejected, and they are often also treated with contempt.

They are, after all, redundant.

And another word for 'redundant' is, of course, 'worthless'.

http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive...sson071503.htm

uncle phil · 09-24-2003, 04:15 PM

and your comment?

sapiens · 09-24-2003, 04:33 PM

Mind_Storm , do you have a position on your post?

I wrote a long argument against this article and then realized that it was a waste of time. This is garbage.
Men in all societies have been behaving badly since the beginning of recorded history (and likely before then). The author has no evidence supporting his assertions. He never establishes a causal relationship between feminism and "men behaving badly." He blames the victim. He compares feminism to nazism. Painfully stupid essay!

ARTelevision · 09-24-2003, 04:33 PM

Yes, my edit was to correct the hyperlink.
uncle phil's reminder to please not simply quote a news article without also posting your views and/or something to stimulate discussion is important.
thanks

rainheart · 09-24-2003, 04:47 PM

Really poorly written essay... how did this guy become a doctor? He barely supports his points.

lurkette · 09-24-2003, 04:51 PM

This idea is as old as feminism, and the impulse behind it - blaming women for men's bad behavior - is as old as Adam and Eve. I think this argument has been pretty well debunked over the years and isn't really worth attacking, it's so obviously flawed.

To quote K-Wise,

Asta.

jbrooks544 · 09-24-2003, 04:52 PM

Anyone who takes this post seriously needs to get real. There isn't a definition of what feminism is or why it supposedly is bad - same for PC. Nevermind that there are no facts given or proof or argument of any kind that the opening assertions are true.

For example:
..."Many males in western societies seem to be behaving very badly these days."...
- Umm, exactly how many men and what exactly have they been doing badly and to what extent is it more or less than in the past?

..."They seem to be becoming more involved with crime. They seem to be growing more dishonest. They seem to be increasingly hostile and aggressive toward others. They seem less committed to their partners and to their families. They are clearly doing less well in terms of their education. And they seem to be more pre-occupied with their own narrow self-interests than they used to be."...

- Every single line is unsupported. Crime rates are at an all time low, duh
- How are men becoming more dishonest? by what measure exactly? One can't be given because is isn't true and isn't provable. I can't even go on, because every line is not supported, contains no rational arguments (learn what a "rational argument" is - there aren't any in that post, believe me. All of the intro "truisms" are just a foil for going into some word salad anti woman , anti black, anti semetic diatribe.
- Feminism isn't "bad". Some tenents of radical feminism are stupid and not supported by most people and feminists. P.C. is pretty "bad" but that is a separate argument and not directly related to feminism or Jews or responsible for some supposed new outbreak of "men behaving badly".

This post makes Rush Libaugh's logic look like a graduate course in, well, logic.

Halx · 09-24-2003, 05:00 PM

All it takes to get a PhD is a lot of hard work.

1 letter - 2 letter - 3 letter - 4
Type and type and type some more
Key after key, this sure is fun
Step by step, until my dissertation is done.

PhD doesn't mean you're smart or logical... only means you're dedicated.

lurkette · 09-24-2003, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Halx

PhD doesn't mean you're smart or logical... only means you're dedicated.

Doesn't say PhD in what, either. Could be just a cranky and opinionated molecular biologist

Nizzle · 09-24-2003, 08:09 PM

This essay is utter garbage. What else is there to say?

Sledge · 09-24-2003, 09:07 PM

Oh, wonderful.

Take a look around mensnewsdaily.com, by the way. Gosh. I wonder if the article's pandering to a specific audience? Dunno...

"Hard-Hitting News with <i>Sex</i> Appeal." Mmmm. Hot news.

Sapper · 09-25-2003, 05:00 AM

Umm .. I try to be generally open to ideas .. however, the above article seems to lack focus.

Men and women behave badly all over the world. It is with the onset of technology that we are better able to track these "changes" (which would be better termed: occurrences)

09-24-2003, 04:06 PM	#1 (permalink)
Mind_Storm Tilted Location: The Finger Lakes of New York	Men Behaving Badly - Why? Men Behaving Badly - Why? July 15, 2003 by Dr. Karl Glasson, Ph.D. Many males in western societies seem to be behaving very badly these days. They seem to be becoming more involved with crime. They seem to be growing more dishonest. They seem to be increasingly hostile and aggressive toward others. They seem less committed to their partners and to their families. They are clearly doing less well in terms of their education. And they seem to be more pre-occupied with their own narrow self-interests than they used to be. Why is this so? What can possibly account for this apparent deterioration in the behaviours of western men? Have their genes suddenly taken a dive for the worse? Or are they simply responding to the way in which western societies treat them these days? In my view, the major cause of what seems to be a significant deterioration in the behaviours of men is, quite simply, feminism. Indeed, the evidence that damns feminism is overwhelming. The evidence shows that feminism is not only the primary cultural cause of the current-day bad behaviours of men, it is also the primary cultural cause of very many other current-day serious societal problems. Before demonstrating to readers how it is that feminism is largely responsible for the current bad behaviours of men, it is important to understand the two following points. 1. Feminism - together with political correctness - has been the most influential ideology in western societies for the past three decades. There are no other ideologies that even come to it in terms of the extent to which it has penetrated western societies. Feminism has penetrated very deeply western governments, western laws, western social services, western universities, western colleges, western schools, western media, western families, western bedrooms and western minds. And it has done so for three decades - a decade longer than even Hitler had - with far fewer resources - in which to stir up his mass hatred toward the Jews. Feminism has been hugely influential. And one of its main successes has been the wholesale demonisation of males. 2. Political correctness has been aggressively supported and strongly buttressed by feminists. Indeed, feminists have done their level best to promote any activity which undermines men - particularly white heterosexual ones. And political correctness has been a very useful weapon for them in this respect. But the point here is this. Every ill that can be blamed on political correctness, can also be blamed on those who endorse and underpin it. And no group has done more to foist political correctness on to western societies than the feminists. For three decades, the feminists and the politically correct have engaged in a wholesale onslaught against white heterosexual men. White men have been persistently accused of being racist by highly vocal racial activists and racial minorities, and their history and their forefathers have been thoroughly undermined and blackened - to the extent that many racial activists are now demanding reparations for past slavery. Heterosexual men have been continually portrayed as being violent, abusive, oppressors of women by mainstream feminists and a whole plethora of abuse professionals who have a vested interest in portraying men in this way. Heterosexual men have also been represented by the beautifully orchestrated gay lobby as being bigoted and fearful of their own sexuality. All men have been assaulted almost ceaselessly by various women's groups, children's groups, social service workers, therapists and analysts who have sought to indoctrinate the population with the view that men are abusers of children. The ubiquitous feminist-fearing mainstream media have consistently sought to demonise and humiliate the entire male gender - a typical example of which can be seen in the recent vindictive column by Maureen Dowd in the New York Times entitled Incredible Shrinking Y. And the all-powerful western governments together with the legal profession have almost disempowered men completely when it comes to their families, their relationships and their homes, on the grounds that women and children are often better off without them. (The Federal Bureau of Marriage? by Professor Stephen Baskerville gives a good insight into how this is being achieved.) In view of all this, is it surprising to find that men are behaving badly? If A keeps telling B that he considers him to be worthless, and continues to accuse him of things that he has not done, and persistently undermines him in relation to his family and to his children, and continually seeks to portray him as an abuser and an oppressor, who should be surprised if B finally turns his back on A? Indeed, who should be surprised if B decides to give A a bloody nose? Well. This is the kind of thing that has been going on in western societies for a long time now thanks to the wholesale demonisation of males by the feminists. And many millions of men are - and have been - responding to this by turning their backs on their own societies. Indeed, they are not only increasingly refusing to support their own societies, many are, in fact, responding by giving them a bloody nose! - crime, violence etc. Well. Let us look at some of the reasons why western men might have become this way as a result of feminism (and, indeed, as a result of political correctness). 1. The constant feminist-inspired demonisation and denigration of men throughout the west has resulted not only in many of them feeling worthless, with the result that they now reject the worthwhile values of their own societies (with some turning to crime, drugs, irresponsible behaviours etc) it has also undermined any reason for them to shape up. You might as well be hung for being a sheep as a lamb! Furthermore, the ubiquitous negative descriptions of men that continually pour out of the mainstream media simply make many men feel quite entitled to behave in accordance with those very same descriptions! For example, I once saw a headline in a newspaper complaining about the fact that, "Men do not do housework." As a taunt to my partner, I cut out the headline and stuck it on the notice board in the kitchen. But I added the following words underneath it. "Well, if men are not doing any housework, then neither am I!" The point is that if men are persistently deemed to be slothful - or whatever - then many men, with much justification, will see no reason to behave any differently from the way in which they and their fellow men are being depicted. 2. The western educational system has been so heavily biased against boys for the past few decades that they are doing very badly at school. Not only have the educationalists been using diabolically poor teaching methods (e.g. in their teaching of reading skills) but the curricula have been so feminised and politically corrected that boys quickly lose any interest that they might have had in being 'educated'. This, coupled with poor standards of discipline, has led to our societies having to bear the burden of having millions of undisciplined, uneducated males in their midsts. 3. The effect of feminism and political correctness in education - e.g. in the study of History - and in the mainstream media, where 'great white men of noble character' are hardly seen to exist any more means that there are few good role models for boys in their growing years. And the images of men that are daily inflicted upon young men and boys are overwhelmingly negative. Is it surprising, therefore, that so many men actually have no real concept of what a 'good man' is? Such men do not exist in the world that is being presented to them. 4. Thanks to the wholesale corruption of the family courts and the "no-fault" divorce laws, men no longer have any real motivation to devote most of their lives, their love, their money etc into bringing up a family. Why should they - when it can all be taken away from them at the whim of their partners? Furthermore, prejudicial 'relationship laws' - such as those pertaining to domestic violence and child abuse etc - make men feel very insecure within their relationships. And to add to all this there is the daily carpeting of man-hatred that pours out of the feminist-dominated media telling women and children to report their partners for abuse of some sort. Well. There are only two main ways in which men can deal with the relationship insecurity that all this brings about. Firstly, they can stop caring very much about their relationships so that they are not too hurt when they eventually break down. Secondly, they can refrain completely from committing themselves to, or from investing in, any long-term serious ones. And, indeed, this is exactly what the research shows western men to be doing. 5. The welfare system hotly promoted and buttressed both by the feminists and the politically correct supports single motherhood. And the same is true for the laws concerning child-support payments and alimony. These not only make fathers and husbands redundant, they also encourage their very own women and children to see them in exactly this way. Men are, therefore, easily rejected, and they are often also treated with contempt. They are, after all, redundant. And another word for 'redundant' is, of course, 'worthless'. http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive...sson071503.htm Last edited by ARTelevision; 09-24-2003 at 04:31 PM..

09-24-2003, 04:15 PM	#2 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	and your comment? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

09-24-2003, 04:33 PM	#3 (permalink)
sapiens Junkie Location: Some place windy	Re: Men Behaving Badly - Why? Mind_Storm , do you have a position on your post? I wrote a long argument against this article and then realized that it was a waste of time. This is garbage. Men in all societies have been behaving badly since the beginning of recorded history (and likely before then). The author has no evidence supporting his assertions. He never establishes a causal relationship between feminism and "men behaving badly." He blames the victim. He compares feminism to nazism. Painfully stupid essay!

09-24-2003, 04:33 PM	#4 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	Yes, my edit was to correct the hyperlink. uncle phil's reminder to please not simply quote a news article without also posting your views and/or something to stimulate discussion is important. thanks __________________ create evolution

09-24-2003, 04:51 PM	#6 (permalink)
lurkette My future is coming on Moderator Emeritus Location: east of the sun and west of the moon	This idea is as old as feminism, and the impulse behind it - blaming women for men's bad behavior - is as old as Adam and Eve. I think this argument has been pretty well debunked over the years and isn't really worth attacking, it's so obviously flawed. To quote K-Wise, Asta. __________________ "If ten million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing." - Anatole France

09-24-2003, 04:47 PM	#5 (permalink)
rainheart Psycho	Really poorly written essay... how did this guy become a doctor? He barely supports his points.

09-24-2003, 04:52 PM	#7 (permalink)
jbrooks544 Addict	Anyone who takes this post seriously needs to get real. There isn't a definition of what feminism is or why it supposedly is bad - same for PC. Nevermind that there are no facts given or proof or argument of any kind that the opening assertions are true. For example: ..."Many males in western societies seem to be behaving very badly these days."... - Umm, exactly how many men and what exactly have they been doing badly and to what extent is it more or less than in the past? ..."They seem to be becoming more involved with crime. They seem to be growing more dishonest. They seem to be increasingly hostile and aggressive toward others. They seem less committed to their partners and to their families. They are clearly doing less well in terms of their education. And they seem to be more pre-occupied with their own narrow self-interests than they used to be."... - Every single line is unsupported. Crime rates are at an all time low, duh - How are men becoming more dishonest? by what measure exactly? One can't be given because is isn't true and isn't provable. I can't even go on, because every line is not supported, contains no rational arguments (learn what a "rational argument" is - there aren't any in that post, believe me. All of the intro "truisms" are just a foil for going into some word salad anti woman , anti black, anti semetic diatribe. - Feminism isn't "bad". Some tenents of radical feminism are stupid and not supported by most people and feminists. P.C. is pretty "bad" but that is a separate argument and not directly related to feminism or Jews or responsible for some supposed new outbreak of "men behaving badly". This post makes Rush Libaugh's logic look like a graduate course in, well, logic. Last edited by jbrooks544; 09-25-2003 at 06:02 AM..

09-24-2003, 05:00 PM	#8 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	All it takes to get a PhD is a lot of hard work. 1 letter - 2 letter - 3 letter - 4 Type and type and type some more Key after key, this sure is fun Step by step, until my dissertation is done. PhD doesn't mean you're smart or logical... only means you're dedicated. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

09-24-2003, 08:09 PM	#10 (permalink)
Nizzle God-Hating Liberal Location: Silicon Valley, CA	This essay is utter garbage. What else is there to say? __________________ Nizzle

09-24-2003, 09:07 PM	#11 (permalink)
Sledge Pasture Bedtime	Oh, wonderful. Take a look around mensnewsdaily.com, by the way. Gosh. I wonder if the article's pandering to a specific audience? Dunno... "Hard-Hitting News with <i>Sex</i> Appeal." Mmmm. Hot news.

09-25-2003, 05:00 AM	#12 (permalink)
Sapper Insane Location: The Internet	Umm .. I try to be generally open to ideas .. however, the above article seems to lack focus. Men and women behave badly all over the world. It is with the onset of technology that we are better able to track these "changes" (which would be better termed: occurrences) __________________ rm -f /bin/laden