Do you think Kobe is guilty?
 

Oops. I tried to make that other Kobe thread a poll, but apparently I screwed up. And for some reason I can't seem to delete it now.

Anyway, same question, now with a poll!

Same answer. ;)

No, I don't think he's guilty of rape.

But - I wasn't there, I don't have all the evidence or the facts and I'd certainly hate to see him severely tried in the court of public opinion. This is a question for the legal system to answer....

bah, he said it was consensual and i believe him

I don't think he raped the chic. Most likely it's just some broad that wants money for spreading her twat. Or she changed her mind after she fucked him and considers that to be rape. Chics do that shit too much now. I don't trust any chics.

He is most definitely an unfaithful pile of shit.

I'm really curious to see how it will be determined in court whether or not he's guilty. It's one person's word against the others. I mean, the only 2 people who know what actually happened are Kobe and the 19-year old girl. We know that they had sex, but what kind of physical evidence can you use to differentiate between consensual and non-consensual sex?

just a girl who wanted sex with Kobe (and got it) and wants to cash in again

whatever

Even if he isn't guilty of rape, which I doubt he is, Kobe has now proved my '25 and 25' theory.

Meaning that, every man younger than 25 with more than 25 million dollars feels that they can get away with anything. The chick was probably flirting with Kobe, and he was flirting with her, and boom!. He's now an unfaithful bastard!

Besides. If the girl really wanted Kobe's money, all she had to do was say 'you want me to keep this quiet? Give me a million bucks'. But she didn't extort him, she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Now, this doesn't mean I'm tearing my Kobe poster off my wall, but it's hard to look at it with out wondering, 'did he do it?'

Can the charge against Kobe be dropped by the woman, if Kobe decides to pay her off?

Or is this charge going ahead even if the woman decides to drop her charge against Kobe?

Consensual (sp?) Yes, i beleive so, she just went bitch ass on him and wants money, media, somthing...

A guy like him doesnt need to rape a girl to get the poontang

He may have done somthing extreemly wrong, and unfaithful, but rape? No , I dont think so.

I'd vote, but there's no option for: "Not losing any sleep over this."

She went to the hospital, and had a rape kit. They will have noted all bruising on her body, and any tearing of her vagina.

Still, Kobe's defense will have experts who will testify that the physical evidence can be interpruted differently.

No. The DA would procede anyway. But, those who hold the money-grubbing opinion look for a civil suit, after the criminal one. (Where the burden of proof is not as large. Think O.J. and the millions he owes).


Personally, and we do not know all the facts, so this is speculation: When is the last time you went to a large hotel and the girl who was at the check-in counter also made deliveries to your room? That to me is a little queer. But, perhaps there is a legitimate explanation.

I just had this convo with my 20 y.o. son. It was totally unsurprising what he and most of you men have to say about it.

The woman who has accused him of rape is a concierge. This is Merriam-Webster's definition of what her job duties were:

Main Entry: con·cierge
Pronunciation: kOn-'syerzh
Function: noun
- a usually multilingual hotel staff member who handles luggage and mail, makes reservations, and arranges tours

Possible scenerio:
He is Kobe Bryant--big basketball star. She is star struck--kinda like how you all would be. He invites her to come up and visit in his suite--where most likely, there are others present--employees, hangers-on. She's offered alcoholic beverages. Perhaps she inbibes. Perhaps not. Regardless, at some point sex occurs. Was it consensual?

As stated before, Kobe and his accuser and/or victim know, though there might be witnesses as well.

All I know is that the majority of rape accusations are legitimate.
Therefore, based on this fact, I believe it is more likely that he is guilty.

I wonder how you guys would feel if this were your sister or girlfriend or wife, who has allegedly been assaulted by Kobe Bryant.

He's guilty of adultery, but what famous athlete or rock star isn't? They all do it, it was a matter of time before some lady decided to capitalize on it. She probably seduced him into it, and now turned it into something more on purpose...

Either way he's getting off...


*excuse the pun*

He's an idiot. Not man enough to <b>personally</b> tell his wife, "Honey, I had sex with another woman. And, yada yada..." Shit, hiding behind the media and a wall of tears. Admit you were horny because you had not seen/been with your wife in soooo long. Maybe you were drugged up on medication from having knee surgery. Really! I mean he purposely did this (turned himself in at sake of being exposed to the media) and he knew the consequences; people will never live it down. It will continue to grow and mature as gossip and ruin the lives of all Kobe Bryant, his wife, his kid and the "innocent" american idol reject. That girl is 19 for crying out loud! Adultry!? How many here are 24 or older and have had sex with a 19 year old? Maybe younger, maybe older. Point is she is a grown woman, capable of saying no to sex. Kobe was just so ashamed he violated his marriage (trust) that he didn't know what to do and in a panic called the police (in my mind). I do not want to see another "proud whore". Monica Lewinsky (I have no respect for her & her name, therefore, I do not care if it is spelled right) has her own show!!! And, proud of it? What does she discuss? How to satisfy Bill when he's in his mood? Media! No shame, no remorse, no ethics! Just pure gossip & fame! It riles me up that if this was a regular 24 year old he would of done the sane thing. A) walk away or B) If he felt he did anything wrong <b>AT ALL</b> sat down and discussed it with her. Before going and involving the law.

I do not know all the specifics and as a result I do not know if rape or consenting sex was done. So my thoughts are as if they had consenting sex.

I wonder how you would feel if this were your brother claiming to have been assaulted by Anna Kournikova.

The vast majority of rape cases don't involve extremely wealthy celebrities. The rules have been shown to be different sometimes when that is the case.

I was once accused of being involved in a sexual assault. Even though I was proven innocent (Me to cops: "How could I assault her if I was at a F*CKING CHURCH, with more than 30 witnesses to back me up, when it supposedly happened?"), it damaged my reputation a bunch. The rumors that were spread by the girl and her friends caused tons of problems for me in school. I can imagine how Kobe must feel right now if he is truely innocent. For now, I'm going to say that he's telling the truth.

If I were rich, I'd be paranoid about this stuff. So much so that I'd force people who wanted some Phaenx-wang to sign a contract before they got some.

I find your responses truly frightening.

This type of thinking is essentially saying, *she asked for it.*
And those of you that truly think that way are probably quite capable of sexual assault yourselves.
Way to go, boys.

Everyone is capable of sexual assault. Because all it takes to make you a rapist is the girl having second thoughts and claiming rape.

By the way, I think Kobe's guilty anyways. Something about his voice didn't sound sincere, and Six is right, he is a pile of shit anyways for commiting adultry.

Free Kobe. The girl had second thoughts after what she did. I also don't think the valley girls she has running around blabbing all over TV are helping her case.

I have no clue whether he is innocent or guilty.

However, Double D, as sports fans we have seen this happen to athletes more often then not. Some of the female accusers have even been sent to prison after the case was cleared. SEE: Jerome Bettis, Chris Webber, Michael Irvin, etc. All of those accusers spent time in jail.

Like I said, I'm not sure about anything. We have no facts. But I can see why some of the people in this thread responded the way they did. They've seen it before.

It's hard to make a call on whether Kobe's innocent/guilty...

however claiming that the girls having second thoughts about the sex is the reason to the claims of rape is deeply disturbing. Obviously no one wants to be accused of such a horrible crime, especially if they're innocent, but when the stats are more or less like 15% of the actual # of rape cases REPORTED, I'd have no problem encouraging girls to speak up for themselves when something seems amiss.

While it should be made clear that if you give consent, you give consent, but this is also the type of event that ruins a person's life. And I for one think it's better to be safe than sorry, celebrities included.

LOL

I was thinking when i started reading this...

They need a " I don't fucking care one bit" choice.

http://espn.go.com/nba/news/2003/0720/1583145.html

Report: Incident occurred months before alleged assault

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ESPN.com news services


The Colorado woman who has accused Kobe Bryant of sexual assault overdosed on pills and was rushed to a hospital two months before the alleged incident with Bryant, one of her close friends told the Orange County Register.

Based on the 19-year-old woman's accusation, Bryant was officially charged with a single count of felony sexual assault Friday. If convicted, he faces four years to life in prison or 20 years to life on probation, and a fine of up to $750,000. Bryant is scheduled to return to Eagle, Colo., for a preliminary hearing on Aug. 6.

Bryant, 24, said Friday that he was guilty only of committing adultery.

In cases of this nature, the credibility of the accuser -- whose identity is not being revealed -- often becomes an issue. The accuser's friends have been keeping her overdose a secret -- until now, the Register reported.

"I think it was just a cry for help," 18-year-old Lindsey McKinney told the newspaper. McKinney had been living at the accuser's house in May, when the woman allegedly took the pills.

When she learned from the woman's ex-boyfriend that the woman had "overdosed," McKinney rushed to her home and found the woman incoherent, lethargic and seemingly drunk, according to the Register.

"I was scared. She wasn't really talking at all," McKinney told the newspaper. "I was like, 'you need to open your eyes.' "

Some friends of the accuser said they believed the overdose was an accident. Not McKinney.

"I don't think it was accidental. I was there," she told the Register.

Tyson Ivie, a former classmate of the accuser's, told the newspaper that the overdose was "a big secret" that friends have been unwilling to talk about until now.

The police dispatch call from the night of the alleged assault is currently sealed from the public by investigators. The woman's father declined comment for the Register's story.

According to the newspaper's report, Bryant's accuser was going through an extremely difficult period in her life at the time of the overdose. She returned home from her freshman year of college to find out her ex-boyfriend had taken up with another woman. Also, around the time of the overdose, close friend Nicole Clements died in a road accident while returning from high school graduation ceremonies.

"It was kind of boom, boom, boom," McKinney told the Register. "I think the things that happened to her in the past had a lot to do with what [she said happened the night of the alleged assault]."

"I know she had been going through a lot, but I know that she wouldn't lie," 19-year-old Eagle resident Ashley Scriver told the newspaper. Scriver also knew about the the overdose.

The Register quoted legal experts as saying the news of the overdose will be a major advantage for Bryant's defense team.

"This is powerful evidence and the answer to the defense's prayers," Robert Pugsley, a criminal law professor at Southwestern University School of Law in Los Angeles, said. Pugsley added that this kind of evidence, if exploited by the defense, could be enough to shut down the case before it reaches trial.

"[Defense attorneys are] looking for a way to demonstrate that this woman is hysterical and over-reactive," Pugsley said. "This is literally dynamite evidence, a bonanza for the defense and a landmine for prosecution."

Bryant's attorneys could not be reached for comment Saturday by the Register.

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I know this has nothing to do with an alleged assault. But it has alot to do with credibility, especially if this is a he said/she said case.

An observation: A suicide attempt - a cry for attention - and two months later she seems to have found herself alot of attention....

It's sounding more and more like it's just some dumbass little attention whore of a cunt. She was probably drunk when they fucked and after he fucked the shit outa her she changed her mind. That shit happens all the time and guys always get in trouble. I don't trust anything with a vagina.

Double D let me just say this. Thank god you are not a judge. (Are you a judge? God a hope not) To say that someone is guilty of rape just because he is accused? What the fuck. You are all like "think about the girl!" Well what about the guy? I really doubt you have ever been accused of rape. I have. It was a lie and was later dropped. Does that not effect me? They fucking tried to send me to jail! Did that not harm me? What the fuck. most rape is legit huh? You got some satistics on that? Because I think while maybe most IS legit. Alot is still not. Lets think about that too.

whoa, whoa, whoa... calm down a little. I completely hear what you're saying and there are frequent injustices on both sides of those accusations. I'm really sorry you were at the business end of one of them. But... she doesn't like men very much, so you hafta expect responses slanted that way. You got shafted, so your opinion gets biased in the other direction... everyone's entitled to their opinion.

You know, I couldn't agree more, though I don't know if I would set that rule with a minimum age of 25. Power corrupts and money IS power (as much if not more than knowledge)

On a side note I went to High school with Kobe, not that I knew him. He seemed like a nice guy, but you could see him starting to get corrupted by the super-stardom he knew was coming even before it came. Well either way I still got to scalp my "guaranteed student basketball ticket" for $90

Her friends are dumber then a sack of rocks, and I'll bet money this girl is as well. I know their types, and I'm interested in seeing what evidence the DA has. Hopefully, even if she wins or not she'll get the drunken whore reputation.

Where's the option for "I have no fucking idea and that's why we have a court system. Either way, he's cheating on his wife, betraying his family's trust by screwing around, and doing this all while he has a kid. Judging by th responses of friends of the girl on TV, I'm starting to think it's a case of regretting drunken sex and wanting to cash in, but I really have no right to judge him.

Hmm credibility is such an issue here and if the overdose story is true then the defense has a big boost.

I always personally thought the sheriff invovled and stuff was a bit biased - they said no arrest warrant until like july 7 but they went out and arrested him 4 days earlier or something (numbers are probably wrong) anyways.

The defense is no doubt going to dig up EVERYTHING about the girls past.

I think the defendant in this case already has second thoughts - she didn't realize the attention there, how every media person is looking for her, and how she may be extremely despised no matter the outcome. Not to mention the fact that now the defense is going to dig up every account/lover/attitude she has ever had in her life and is going to make it public in court.

Nobody's looking for her. Her name, photos, address, phone number (though I bet that's been changed or unplugged for days) are all pretty easy to find.

For me, again, this is a question for the legal system. Not my place to try her. Two people, exactly, know what happened for sure and a jury will decide which one of them is lying about it. (shrug) I'm pretty sure ANY of you would expect the same fairness if you were the one under the microscope,

Gotta wait for all the evidence to come out before a true conclusion is reached. For the sake of his family and career i hope he did not committ asssult.

maybe she was woozy from the pills?

I'd have to think that Kobe could bang just about any girl he wanted. So, why would he even slap a girl around a little in order to get some?

I think it's interesting that so many people think the girl is a gold digger who just wants money. While this is one obvious option the other is that Kobe is drunk with power and ego. Being from near Philadelphia, I am very familiar with Kobe and his life's history. From what I know and have heard from people who personally know him, he has a huge ego problem. Now having a large ego doesn't make someone rape another person but I think that given what the rest of the world is finally having to come to terms with, that Kobe is not the posterchild for family values the NBA has tried to make him, it is entirely possible that Kobe did in fact rape this girl. It wouldn't be the first time somone drunk on power and pride didn't hear someone say no.

If the evidence wasn't against him, he wouldn't have been charged by the DA.

in my opinion this girl is just trying to make money and be famous...

Dear god this is one of the most f*ed up things I have ever heard! How about if she wins, Kobe raped her. You mean to say that every girl that gets raped is a drunken whore? It's that totally messed up thought process which has allowed rape to run so rampant through our society with so many cases and so little justice. You seriously make me sick. Why don't you try waiting a week or two before you condem this girl to being a "drunken whore."

I can wait till all/more of the evidence comes out. With all the publicity and coverage surronding the case I don't think the DA and sheriffs office were going to do anything but charge him. They are both political offices and Kobe's going to tried by public opinion anyway. So if they charge him and lose then they get to say that his money won out. If they win they gain all the publicity from a high profile case.

Pretty much a losing situation for Kobe. If innocent then he still will lose a lot of endorsements or not have as many offers. If guilty then all the endorsements are gone and his career too most likely. These are the things that set him apart from regular people.

Then he has all the family issues that anyone else charged in the same situation has to deal with. One night of sex screwed up a hell of lot for him. I hope it was worth it.

I agree with Sixate on this one -- just another form of extortion....

Maybe these guys need to walk around with an attorney that pops out of the closet right before they seal the deal with these chicks and have them sign a consensual sex form.... :(

innocent until proven guilty. I will refrain from making a judgement.

I think that he is just got some on the side and the chick wanted a marriage.

I seriously doubt he did, she is just trying to get herr 15 mins in the spotlight.

I read some of these responses..and then I stopped.. lol...

anyone really think that a guy with this much clout is gonna force someone to have sex with him..

this was consensual.. and then the dollar bills started going off in her head.. simple as that. Money will change hands before this is over.. plain and simple..

now.. my opinion .. is that Kobe Bryant is a dumbass.. if you are gonna do something like that and you have the clout.. then call heidi fliess.. .. or the woman that took over for her... you dont do something like this.. lol

No I agree the girl is just out for the money. and the district at. is also trying to make a name for himself tooooooooooo.........

I don't think he did it.

I was watching CNN one afternoon, and they had a little interview or something with a friend of hers and the friend said "I don't think she was raped. She always told everyone she was going to become famous no matter what she had to do."

If a friend of yours is going to go on TV and tell the world, "I think you're lying because I know how you are." That tells you something.

I'm glad I could have been of service to your sickly pursuits, I hear it's a good way to lose weight. Your response was very cute, and I appreciate feedback, but if you'll look over what I said again you'll see I wrote "I'm interested in seeing what evidence the DA has." I'm fully capable of waiting a few months to see if he's guilty of rape or not, but if he is or not it doesn't change the fact that this girl went up to a married mans room alone, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what she was after. In context of this, she's a drunken whore.

Also, I think you may want to check your numbers on the amount of reported rape claims, and then read Sixates post where it says:

Eugene Kanin of the Department of Sociology and Anthropology at Purdue did a study of a small metropolitan community. The study covered rape allegations over a 9-year period. Dr. Kanin found that "False rape allegations constituted 41 percent of the total forcible rapes reported during [that] period."

So little justice indeed! Although you place the blame in the wrong direction.

By the way, does anyone have the girls picture? I heard she wasn't that good looking.

Found it:

http://www.webrats.com/kobewatch/

I haven't voted yet, one way or the other. Simple fact is...I don't know. Maybe he <b>did</b> do it...maybe not. 2 people know for a fact what really happened, and I only hope that the <b>truth</b> comes out. Anyway, I think I'm gonna go ahead and vote "no", only because Kobe <b>is</b> innocent...until <b>proven</b> guilty.

Theory (ProKobe):
*Consensual sex. Regrets. Pissed-off parents. Rape charge.

Theory (ProGirl):
*Concierge comes to room. They make out. Guy worked up, girl wants to quit. Guy does not quit.

BTW, Donkeypunch, I like your byline. Classic TVZ.

If anything , I hope that during the case It is CRYSTAL clear what happened.

Cuase for Kobe, anything elce will certianly damage his reputation bigtine.

Also someone said "well kobe can get any girl he wants". Yeah thats probobly true, but I dont think rape has anything to do with sex. I can definalty envision both scenarios, but him guilty might go like.

Girl. Hi kobe bla bla bla
Kobe Heres a drink
Girl Oh thanks
Kobe Were having sex now right?
Girl O well, No I dont think so
Kobe What do you mean
GIrl I dont want to
Kobe NO way, Im Kobe bryant NOONE says no to me

Mabye hes just so cocky he couldent stand a girl saying no to him.

I really do not like kobe much at all, but i really doubt he raped her. I am pretty sure he could sleep with plenty of ppl with out having to force them. She said she walked in to his room and he all of a sudden went crazy, i dont think so.

I don't think he raped her, but he is guilty of cheating. I doubt she is doing this for fame though, otherwise she wouldn't have hid her identity.

Running the risk of thread crapping I think I'm going to go ahead with it.

I don't care.
Why is it that this guy gets so much attention? The media finds some random story and milks it out for all it's worth. I think everyone over the age of 13 knows that all athletes AREN'T the heroes we all thought they were. Also there are so many rapes a day. Why the hell does this one deserve a 10 minute media block of every news show? I'll leave you with this:

is derryl (sp) strawberry in jail?
was gary condit re-elected?

nobody cares...

Well it seems to me no one can dispute the fact both went to the hospital with injuries after the incident. So people should just take the obscentities and shove them up their ass before accusing the accuser of lying.

He should'nt have put himself in this kind of a situation in the first palce if he cared about his wife at all. I hear he's doing damage control on that front now as well.

I think he's guilty of being horny and stupid, but thats kind of redundant for sports athletes. Personally I'm just horny.

1. no I don't think Kobe is guilty
2. based on the "reported information" (2 overdoses, bragging to party guests) it will NOT even make it to trial
3. the girl will make some big bucks neverless (ie: Enquirer, Globe, Penthouse, Playboy, TV movie rights)

Ohhhhh yeah.. You know it!

Rude comment edited by Lebell

Here is some real facts:

1. Both had injuries after the incident and went to the hospital
2. Prosecutor has said there are obvious physical injuries on the girl
3. Kobe is pathetic

Well, this issue is ripe for pure speculation.

Sealed records, conflicting eyewitness accounts, blabbermouth girlfriends on TV, confessed adultery.

Whats for sure:
-she worked in the lobby of the hotel
-she wound up in his hotel room
-they had sex of some kind, maybe
-somone hit someone
-someone went to the hospital
-she called the sheriff the next day

Rape is one of several gray area type crimes, especially with no witnesses. He said, she said, who knows, only them.

The difference between her saying yes, no or not saying anything could be the difference between Kobe going free and doing 5-10 in the State Pen, like another famous athlete . . . cough, Tyson, cough . . .

Forget prenuptial agreements, we could be seeing the beginning of the "pre-one night standing" agreement, better get it notarized too.

nobody knows the truth yet,
but for the hell of it i'll say yes he's guilty

when youre that popular and rich you tend
to think that youre a god and all the sudden
no means i like it rough...

all i can say is.. that webrats link IMo was pretty f-'d up

I think he is guilty and so is she.

I dont think he did it, but i dont care, i mean, its not like he couldnt get some other chick, its just her trying to get some fast cash and some time in the spotlight

Someone lock this thread, it's gone about as far as it's gonna go. Just the same comments repeating over and over.

How come only 2 options on the poll? Where is "hell yes!" Sorry, no patience for hipocrites. The man is a heel!

it sucks that the defense is using her past as credibility. so you're telling me that if someone were to rape a lunatic, crazy, schizo girl who was yelling NO! at the top of her lungs or even if she didn't want to, it'd be OK? that's just plain wrong.

way i see it, there are a few scenarios.

1) it was consensual, she wanted to make off with some money and fame

-- what a bitch

2) it started as consensual at first, then she had second thoughts, said 'NO', and Kobe, being Kobe thinks 'No one says NO to Kobe' or takes it as an act of teasing, and just continues the act

-- anytime a girl says NO, NO it is. put your member back in or beat off in a corner.

3) Kobe was drunk or high on pills, horny from not seeing his wife in so long, felt he as a superstar could get away with anything, sees this convenient girl and decides, I'm getting me a piece

--still, cuz you're rich and famous don't make you outside the law

what sickens me more is how he is showing his sorrow and his dedication of love for his wife by purchasing a 4 million dollar ring. so the moral of the story kids, cheat on your wife as much as you want, true love and trust can ALWAYS be bought

in either sense, there are only 2 people that will ever know, but taking her credibility from her past and using that against her accusations of rape is wrong.

Everyone is looking for their 15 minutes...

I agree somewhat, however i can almost gurantee that its more complicated than that.

Girls (groupies) get all over sports stars and will blatently tell them what they will do for them.

Sports stars often do accept, after all we're men, we're weak when it comes to resisting sex.

Going on the Road without your wife, or s'o around, and all the stress of being a proffesional basketball player. I figure he decided to take up on this girls offer. Then she had second thoughs as they were most likely getting rather hot, and heavy.

So in a way she probobally was like on second though lets not 2 seconds later kobe busts a nut and is like wtf you talking about.

Kobe is innocent of rape, however not innocent of being weak.

he'll probobally lose money in a civil suit

I am saddened by what Kobe has done as I am a Laker fan and have always respected his demeanor on and off the court. Granted, he has a bit of an ego, but can you blame him with the mad game he has? I would be high on myself as well if I had game like that.

As far as the girl goes, and from what I know of Kobe, I have to say she is possibly stretching the truth a bit. Whether it is for money or attention or some other form of self gratification, I don't know. I don't even know if she grasps the full reality of what could happen if she is lying. From what I have read of her, it seems she might be someone reaching out for help because of recent turmoil in her life and this is how she is reacting.

This is all very sad. If Kobe is truly guitly, I hope he gets the punishment that any U.S. citizen would be given under our legal system. If he is not guilty of rape, I hope he, his wife and his child can move on with their lives to the best of their ability. He is guilty of adultery and that will always leave a mark on his reputation with me. *sniff, sniff*

Fact is, we don't know the facts. Everyone who thinks they "know" what really happened needs to STFU because they don't. I personally don't think he did it, but who the hell knows. I'll bet he doesn't even know.

Guilty of adultery, YES
of rape, NO

Bah! Can the speculation stop already?

WHY SHOULD WE CARE?

because carl malone deserves a championship!

then again so does charles barkely,and reggie miller, but all of them were thrarted by one man. Air Mike......

Not that the supporting cast of the bulls shouldn't be credited as well, but you know he was the one man above all else that prevented these future hall of famers from owning a ring or two of there own.

btw if you didn't know garry payton, and carl malone are going to the lakers next year :D

i hope he's not, he's a talented young player. besides, he can have any woman he wants, y would he rape this chick? ive read a couple of articles that stated she overdosed once, maybe she's seeking attention? she also tried out for american idol.

I gotta say (like someone on the board before me said) that I think Kobe Bryant wouldn't need to rape anyone if he didn't want to... I think he could probably get sex from many willing attractive, nubile, young (insert adjective's of choice here) women, so as to motive, I don't think he has much of one, but rape is usually not about sex, it's about power. Maybe he is using the assumption that "why would he bother raping her?" to his advantage? Maybe he feels like he can have any woman he wants so he is used to trying to try to impose himself on women and this particular woman didn't go for it, so he pushed the issue and took things too far. Or maybe they were flirting or doing more but when it came to intercourse she turned him down in front of his friends so he took what he wanted with his size and strength? Or maybe she wanted some sex and he did something she wasn't expecting / didn't want (anal, violence, etc.?).

Then again, there have been many false accusations in the past against famous sports celebrities. Let's face it, most of our famous athletes aren't the most well educated often skipping all or part of higher education to pursue the big money. And They HAVE the big money which makes them easy targets for women who are trying to get rich quick.

Does this mean she falls into this category? Maybe, maybe not. She doesn't have a pristine past, but we can't let that cloud our judgement. If a hooker (and I am not implying that she is a hooker, it's just a for instance) get's raped, it is still rape regardless of the fact that she has sex for a living with strangers.

I have no way of knowing, and that is why we have a court system. I don't think ANYONE on this board right now could say with ANY kind of certainity that she is or is not lying or that he did or did not rape her.

It easily could have started off consensual and gone south. All it takes is one "no" at any time and something consensual quickly turns to rape. Maybe she had second thoughts, maybe she sobered up or the effects of the drugs cleared (at which point it would have been rape to begin with). Maybe the glamor of "I'm f*ing a celebtrity" wore off. Maybe nothing happend and she is faking the whole thing. How can any of us know for certain?

Now to my opinion... I tend to waffle on this. Sometimes he seems more guilty then others. Right now, I am probably slightly in favor of him not being guilty, but without any kind of evidence I can't say one way or another. I don't have any really good reason or fact to say "he's innocent" nor do I have one to say "he's guilty" so I just don't know.

The bad part is that now matter what the verdict is, nobody is going to let it rest. If he "get's off" (no pun intended) all those who think he is guilty will claim that his power / money / status helped him beat the charge. If he is found guilty, plenty of people will claim that "they" were trying to make an example out of him.

how the fuck would I know? Someone is lying....who among us has any real clue about who it is?

personally, i think the chic is either a LIAR, or really messed up in the head

i agree with everyone else pretty much when they're basically saying no he's not guilty..

I don't know who he is. I don't know what happened. But I'll say something about rape in general.

What is rape or not according to the courts and laws differs from country to country, and maybe from state to state in the US. They all have their slightly different requirements, as has members of jurys I can imagine.

But for the women that ACTUALLY feels raped my heart bleeds, whatever the ruling are. The thing is that men have sex in very different ways. To some men a certain amount of force and showing of power is required for them to get off. Foreplay and sensibility is not in the equation at all. These men get their sex in their way because the world is full of women that is turned on by their extreme "manlyhood", pior to the shitty sex that follows. This is especially true when that man is also famous and/or rich. These men gets use to being able to have a woman on his own terms. It is not hard to understand that any such man can go to far on occations while beeing drunk or high. Often they probably appologizes later and no rape is reported. Just feelings hurt.

The thing is that these kind of rapes are not proved by screams and claw marks. Any such woman usually turns inwards and gives herself some blame for it. Regardless of if one should give her some blame in poor choosing of men, I feel so sorry for her. I can understand the emotional scars it leaves.

The statement that a famous man do not have to rape is not well thought through. Becoming famous does not change your attitude against women or your sexual preferences. This man amitted to having sex with her and I presume he wanted to. IF he likes it rough she may well have felt raped though he did not intend to or see it as that himself.

It is difficult to have an opinion on these many borderline cases. But my feelings for the genuinly brused women stands clear. Even in cases where I might not have ruled it a rape myself.

How the courts will rule depends on the court that rules.

P.S Guys, read up on foreplay... it pays off!!! :-) D.S.

P.P.S A nice thing about foreplay is that it gives both parties a chance to change their mind before someone gets hurt. If you do not want to give her/him that chance... you're a rapist. D.D.S

this is my take on the whole picture - she's in it for the $$$!!!

I think he did a very stupid thing, but I don't think he is guilty of rape.

I wouldn't having that "problem". Send her on over. :D

Everyone directly involved in this case is tainted, including the DA and the media. They're all guilty of something.

Rape? We'll never know. He'll walk, but his endorsement deals are gone bye-bye.

I think kobe is guilty of being an idiot for cheating on his wife but i doubt he is actually guilty of rape. Thats just what i think but there is certainly a possibility that he did rape her. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that he cheated on his wife.

Agreed that we should wait to see it play out...

BUT...

"for the sake of his family"...

funny how none of this would have happened if Mr. Bryant had been thinking of his family (read wife) instead of looking for a toss in the hay...

He's at least guilty of being stupid and short-sighted.

na no way is he guilty he hasn't been found guilty yet. and i think this girl is in hte head for making it up