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The.Lunatic · 07-30-2003, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrbuck12000
WHY SHOULD WE CARE?

because carl malone deserves a championship!

then again so does charles barkely,and reggie miller, but all of them were thrarted by one man. Air Mike......

Not that the supporting cast of the bulls shouldn't be credited as well, but you know he was the one man above all else that prevented these future hall of famers from owning a ring or two of there own.

btw if you didn't know garry payton, and carl malone are going to the lakers next year

p0thead · 08-01-2003, 05:22 PM

i hope he's not, he's a talented young player. besides, he can have any woman he wants, y would he rape this chick? ive read a couple of articles that stated she overdosed once, maybe she's seeking attention? she also tried out for american idol.

SoRetarded · 08-01-2003, 07:20 PM

I gotta say (like someone on the board before me said) that I think Kobe Bryant wouldn't need to rape anyone if he didn't want to... I think he could probably get sex from many willing attractive, nubile, young (insert adjective's of choice here) women, so as to motive, I don't think he has much of one, but rape is usually not about sex, it's about power. Maybe he is using the assumption that "why would he bother raping her?" to his advantage? Maybe he feels like he can have any woman he wants so he is used to trying to try to impose himself on women and this particular woman didn't go for it, so he pushed the issue and took things too far. Or maybe they were flirting or doing more but when it came to intercourse she turned him down in front of his friends so he took what he wanted with his size and strength? Or maybe she wanted some sex and he did something she wasn't expecting / didn't want (anal, violence, etc.?).

Then again, there have been many false accusations in the past against famous sports celebrities. Let's face it, most of our famous athletes aren't the most well educated often skipping all or part of higher education to pursue the big money. And They HAVE the big money which makes them easy targets for women who are trying to get rich quick.

Does this mean she falls into this category? Maybe, maybe not. She doesn't have a pristine past, but we can't let that cloud our judgement. If a hooker (and I am not implying that she is a hooker, it's just a for instance) get's raped, it is still rape regardless of the fact that she has sex for a living with strangers.

I have no way of knowing, and that is why we have a court system. I don't think ANYONE on this board right now could say with ANY kind of certainity that she is or is not lying or that he did or did not rape her.

It easily could have started off consensual and gone south. All it takes is one "no" at any time and something consensual quickly turns to rape. Maybe she had second thoughts, maybe she sobered up or the effects of the drugs cleared (at which point it would have been rape to begin with). Maybe the glamor of "I'm f*ing a celebtrity" wore off. Maybe nothing happend and she is faking the whole thing. How can any of us know for certain?

Now to my opinion... I tend to waffle on this. Sometimes he seems more guilty then others. Right now, I am probably slightly in favor of him not being guilty, but without any kind of evidence I can't say one way or another. I don't have any really good reason or fact to say "he's innocent" nor do I have one to say "he's guilty" so I just don't know.

The bad part is that now matter what the verdict is, nobody is going to let it rest. If he "get's off" (no pun intended) all those who think he is guilty will claim that his power / money / status helped him beat the charge. If he is found guilty, plenty of people will claim that "they" were trying to make an example out of him.

obediah · 08-01-2003, 09:58 PM

how the fuck would I know? Someone is lying....who among us has any real clue about who it is?

Vert!go · 08-01-2003, 11:10 PM

personally, i think the chic is either a LIAR, or really messed up in the head

acpower · 08-02-2003, 03:31 AM

i agree with everyone else pretty much when they're basically saying no he's not guilty..

AxelF · 08-02-2003, 04:30 AM

I don't know who he is. I don't know what happened. But I'll say something about rape in general.

What is rape or not according to the courts and laws differs from country to country, and maybe from state to state in the US. They all have their slightly different requirements, as has members of jurys I can imagine.

But for the women that ACTUALLY feels raped my heart bleeds, whatever the ruling are. The thing is that men have sex in very different ways. To some men a certain amount of force and showing of power is required for them to get off. Foreplay and sensibility is not in the equation at all. These men get their sex in their way because the world is full of women that is turned on by their extreme "manlyhood", pior to the shitty sex that follows. This is especially true when that man is also famous and/or rich. These men gets use to being able to have a woman on his own terms. It is not hard to understand that any such man can go to far on occations while beeing drunk or high. Often they probably appologizes later and no rape is reported. Just feelings hurt.

The thing is that these kind of rapes are not proved by screams and claw marks. Any such woman usually turns inwards and gives herself some blame for it. Regardless of if one should give her some blame in poor choosing of men, I feel so sorry for her. I can understand the emotional scars it leaves.

The statement that a famous man do not have to rape is not well thought through. Becoming famous does not change your attitude against women or your sexual preferences. This man amitted to having sex with her and I presume he wanted to. IF he likes it rough she may well have felt raped though he did not intend to or see it as that himself.

It is difficult to have an opinion on these many borderline cases. But my feelings for the genuinly brused women stands clear. Even in cases where I might not have ruled it a rape myself.

How the courts will rule depends on the court that rules.

P.S Guys, read up on foreplay... it pays off!!! :-) D.S.

P.P.S A nice thing about foreplay is that it gives both parties a chance to change their mind before someone gets hurt. If you do not want to give her/him that chance... you're a rapist. D.D.S

Hanxter · 08-07-2003, 06:53 AM

this is my take on the whole picture - she's in it for the $$$!!!

skysooner · 08-08-2003, 01:45 PM

I think he did a very stupid thing, but I don't think he is guilty of rape.

RoadRage · 08-08-2003, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Donkeypuncher
I wonder how you would feel if this were your brother claiming to have been assaulted by Anna Kournikova.

I wouldn't having that "problem". Send her on over.

Everyone directly involved in this case is tainted, including the DA and the media. They're all guilty of something.

Rape? We'll never know. He'll walk, but his endorsement deals are gone bye-bye.

Mr. Spacemonkey · 08-08-2003, 02:00 PM

I think kobe is guilty of being an idiot for cheating on his wife but i doubt he is actually guilty of rape. Thats just what i think but there is certainly a possibility that he did rape her. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that he cheated on his wife.

sbscout · 08-08-2003, 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by Brian Fellows
Gotta wait for all the evidence to come out before a true conclusion is reached. For the sake of his family and career i hope he did not committ asssult.

Agreed that we should wait to see it play out...

BUT...

"for the sake of his family"...

funny how none of this would have happened if Mr. Bryant had been thinking of his family (read wife) instead of looking for a toss in the hay...

He's at least guilty of being stupid and short-sighted.

stonecurran · 08-08-2003, 10:51 PM

na no way is he guilty he hasn't been found guilty yet. and i think this girl is in hte head for making it up

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08-01-2003, 07:20 PM	#83 (permalink)
SoRetarded Upright	I gotta say (like someone on the board before me said) that I think Kobe Bryant wouldn't need to rape anyone if he didn't want to... I think he could probably get sex from many willing attractive, nubile, young (insert adjective's of choice here) women, so as to motive, I don't think he has much of one, but rape is usually not about sex, it's about power. Maybe he is using the assumption that "why would he bother raping her?" to his advantage? Maybe he feels like he can have any woman he wants so he is used to trying to try to impose himself on women and this particular woman didn't go for it, so he pushed the issue and took things too far. Or maybe they were flirting or doing more but when it came to intercourse she turned him down in front of his friends so he took what he wanted with his size and strength? Or maybe she wanted some sex and he did something she wasn't expecting / didn't want (anal, violence, etc.?). Then again, there have been many false accusations in the past against famous sports celebrities. Let's face it, most of our famous athletes aren't the most well educated often skipping all or part of higher education to pursue the big money. And They HAVE the big money which makes them easy targets for women who are trying to get rich quick. Does this mean she falls into this category? Maybe, maybe not. She doesn't have a pristine past, but we can't let that cloud our judgement. If a hooker (and I am not implying that she is a hooker, it's just a for instance) get's raped, it is still rape regardless of the fact that she has sex for a living with strangers. I have no way of knowing, and that is why we have a court system. I don't think ANYONE on this board right now could say with ANY kind of certainity that she is or is not lying or that he did or did not rape her. It easily could have started off consensual and gone south. All it takes is one "no" at any time and something consensual quickly turns to rape. Maybe she had second thoughts, maybe she sobered up or the effects of the drugs cleared (at which point it would have been rape to begin with). Maybe the glamor of "I'm f*ing a celebtrity" wore off. Maybe nothing happend and she is faking the whole thing. How can any of us know for certain? Now to my opinion... I tend to waffle on this. Sometimes he seems more guilty then others. Right now, I am probably slightly in favor of him not being guilty, but without any kind of evidence I can't say one way or another. I don't have any really good reason or fact to say "he's innocent" nor do I have one to say "he's guilty" so I just don't know. The bad part is that now matter what the verdict is, nobody is going to let it rest. If he "get's off" (no pun intended) all those who think he is guilty will claim that his power / money / status helped him beat the charge. If he is found guilty, plenty of people will claim that "they" were trying to make an example out of him. __________________ umop apisdn : upside down

08-01-2003, 11:10 PM	#85 (permalink)
Vert!go Upright Location: Bangin' your Mom	personally, i think the chic is either a LIAR, or really messed up in the head __________________ Don't be fooled by imitations... I am the original.

08-02-2003, 04:30 AM	#87 (permalink)
AxelF Crazy Location: Europe	I don't know who he is. I don't know what happened. But I'll say something about rape in general. What is rape or not according to the courts and laws differs from country to country, and maybe from state to state in the US. They all have their slightly different requirements, as has members of jurys I can imagine. But for the women that ACTUALLY feels raped my heart bleeds, whatever the ruling are. The thing is that men have sex in very different ways. To some men a certain amount of force and showing of power is required for them to get off. Foreplay and sensibility is not in the equation at all. These men get their sex in their way because the world is full of women that is turned on by their extreme "manlyhood", pior to the shitty sex that follows. This is especially true when that man is also famous and/or rich. These men gets use to being able to have a woman on his own terms. It is not hard to understand that any such man can go to far on occations while beeing drunk or high. Often they probably appologizes later and no rape is reported. Just feelings hurt. The thing is that these kind of rapes are not proved by screams and claw marks. Any such woman usually turns inwards and gives herself some blame for it. Regardless of if one should give her some blame in poor choosing of men, I feel so sorry for her. I can understand the emotional scars it leaves. The statement that a famous man do not have to rape is not well thought through. Becoming famous does not change your attitude against women or your sexual preferences. This man amitted to having sex with her and I presume he wanted to. IF he likes it rough she may well have felt raped though he did not intend to or see it as that himself. It is difficult to have an opinion on these many borderline cases. But my feelings for the genuinly brused women stands clear. Even in cases where I might not have ruled it a rape myself. How the courts will rule depends on the court that rules. P.S Guys, read up on foreplay... it pays off!!! :-) D.S. P.P.S A nice thing about foreplay is that it gives both parties a chance to change their mind before someone gets hurt. If you do not want to give her/him that chance... you're a rapist. D.D.S __________________ Coffee Last edited by AxelF; 08-02-2003 at 04:36 AM..

08-08-2003, 02:00 PM	#91 (permalink)
Mr. Spacemonkey Wake up Location: Nowhere special	I think kobe is guilty of being an idiot for cheating on his wife but i doubt he is actually guilty of rape. Thats just what i think but there is certainly a possibility that he did rape her. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that he cheated on his wife. __________________ "I hope that when the world comes to an end, I can breathe a sigh of relief, because there will be so much to look forward to." -- Donnie Darko

08-01-2003, 05:22 PM	#82 (permalink)
p0thead Insane Location: born in vietnam, lost in california	i hope he's not, he's a talented young player. besides, he can have any woman he wants, y would he rape this chick? ive read a couple of articles that stated she overdosed once, maybe she's seeking attention? she also tried out for american idol.

08-01-2003, 09:58 PM	#84 (permalink)
obediah Crazy	how the fuck would I know? Someone is lying....who among us has any real clue about who it is?

08-02-2003, 03:31 AM	#86 (permalink)
acpower Crazy	i agree with everyone else pretty much when they're basically saying no he's not guilty..

08-07-2003, 06:53 AM	#88 (permalink)
Hanxter The Griffin	this is my take on the whole picture - she's in it for the $$$!!!

08-08-2003, 01:45 PM	#89 (permalink)
skysooner Registered User Location: Oklahoma	I think he did a very stupid thing, but I don't think he is guilty of rape.

08-08-2003, 10:51 PM	#93 (permalink)
stonecurran Crazy Location: australia	na no way is he guilty he hasn't been found guilty yet. and i think this girl is in hte head for making it up