butthead

This does not dictate anything other than how they were created, it does not dictate "inherit drug safety".

Overdosing is not the same as taking a lethal dose. I have never heard of someone dying as a result of self-administered marijuana (except from people who didn't know what they were talking about), but I have heard and seen and experienced where many a time the person was more stoned than they intended to get.

Fly

medicinal pot is being tested up here in canada,but we need more testing to find out what other things pot will help.....yes help with.

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fatretardedguy

These days I only get high at work.

Angel

Spent many years hiding behind the mask of drugs.
Shed the addictions one by one. The last being pain pills...17 months clean.
Once the mask was removed, I discovered where my real strengths are.
Being able to look in the mirror and like the reflection staring back at me is a good place to be.

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Wayngo

<i>Some things I remember perfectly and clearly like the back of my hand. However, simple things I cannot seem to recall. For example, sometimes it will take me a good 5 minutes to recall just what happened yesterday.</i>

I have never done drugs of any kind and hardly ever drink yet I am exactly what you just described.

YzermanS19

My list:

Alcohol
Marajuana
Mushrooms
Ketamine
LSD

Nothing overtly physically addictive, nothing that costs alot, and nothing that I am not prepared for. I don't do them all the time, and I don't recommend them for you if you don't KNOW that you can handle the effects.

I don't want to debate if its right or wrong what I have done. I've had alot more safe, fun times with shrooms and marajuana than anything alcoholic. IMHO, alcohol is worse than alot of drugs out there. Not going to argue with you about it though.

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The only thing that I ever tried and was addicted to was
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eli

*Warning: Rant #2*
Well you see iam only 18 but i have already tried almost all of the drugs there are....weed, acid, exctasy, LCD, and coke. drugs to avoid: definetely heroin, however an intersting facts that i was not aware of is that there is a lot of heroin in most e pills......hmmm.....addictive? anyways, under certain circumstance coke is the best drug in the world: 1/ if u can get pure pure cocaine (t's hard but possible) then it is just as clean as marijuana 2/ if u can control a mental addictions (again hard but possible [very very hard]) then that is the only addiction u have to battle... there is absolutely no physical addictive additives in coke and 3/ if u can afford it, good (aka pure) coke is expensive
the most interesting experience: i am still laughing today....about a year ago me and 2 of my friends were out in a park, high on exctasy, and (don't ask) each of us had a glock 17 (the standard toronto police handgun).....me and one of my friends were otherwise clean however the third had 2 dimes of weed with him....when the cops got a report of us ( apparently one of us flashed it and we got the cops called) they arrested us and patted us down hardcore confiscating everything...somehow the dumb ass pig who was searching my friend didn't feel the weed....so they handcuff us and put us in the cruisers (me in one and the other 2 in another)...........my friend while handcuffed behind his back and sitting in a po car manages to reach the dimes and stick them between the seat and the back of the backseat.....the hillarity, as you can imagine ensued, as they never found the weed.

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butthead

I'm presuming this is a joke.

rock_bottom

Nope, no drugs, alchohol or cigarettes in my life (I'm 20). Parents are alchoholics, and that's my story. I used to call myself Straightedge, just to concisely communicate what I was all about, but there's so much else attached to being sXe now, I just say I'm 'drugfree'.
I have nothing but respect for guys like BoCo and Sixate who've kept by their principles up for much longer than I have thus far... I can't speak for them, but it's been a real challenge at times for me.

eli

no not at all dude

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butthead

If it is a joke, then I guess it's on me. If it isn't, perhaps we can all learn something.

That isnt even the tip of the iceberg.

Incorrect. Up until just recently, there had never been a pill tested positive for heroin. In this case, the pill was poorly made and was probably done by someone as a prank to end the "there is no heroin in Ecstasy" thing. The pill, at the very best, would contain a small oral dose of heroin. The person would not experience much from it and it would take several weeks or months to develop a physiological dependence to heroin. The pill also contained fluoxetine (Prozac), but did not contain MDMA or MDA. I'd be suprised if anyone would feel anything if they took the pill.


Physiological dependence cannot hold a match to the desire to do highly addictive drugs.

EDIT: Apologies for my last, removed remark.

impirius7

alright it is time to set a few things straight. i just read every singlepost in this thread that has been posted at this time. the number one problem with drugs is lack of education. i do use drugs, i've used ones you have heard of, and i've used ones you'll never hear of. but at all times, i've known what i've been doing. people get into trouble because they don't know what they are getting into. drugs do not ruin a life, drug addiction ruins a life. i personally do not, and never will, use addictive drugs. i am mostly interested in the hallucinogen category of substances, since my primary purpose for drug usage is exploration. by far the most powerful substance i have come across is 5-MeO-DMT. a very short trip, but it defies all laws of physics, emotion, and time. and before i used it, i researched its legitimate uses, the effects of its illegitimate use, the chemistry of the DMT itself, the biochemical reactions taking place in my brain, precautions, suggestions, etc. i've done the same research for substances i am looking forward to trying. drug users who get into trouble have nobody but themselves to blame. who doesn't know that coke or heroin or crack is addictive? addiction leads to destruction. using drugs in a moderated educated fashion can be a great way to have a new or enjoyable experience. the widespread lack of knowledge about drugs is the reason people say "drugs are bad". all drugs have their ups and downs, but, as with all things, educate yourself before talking about them, let alone using. and props to butthead, he seems to know his stuff pretty well.

butthead

I disagree. Knowledge isn't necessarily applied. I may know a sufficient amount about drugs and safer use, but I have irresponsibly used drugs many times.

Once again, I disagree. Drug addiction is not a terminal disease. I think drug addiction could more often be a symptom of other troubles.

Any enjoyable experience can become an obsession. Compulsive activity is not limited to pharmacology.

Perhaps you would kindly post the pharmacologic effects of 5-MeO-DMT?

I'm rather ambivalent on this point. I'm still debating free-will vs. environmental influences.

Not necessarily. I think addiction would be an indicator that things are not peachy keen, but addiction doesn't necessarily have to be devestating.

I agree. Less is more, as harm reductionists often say.

I think it has more to do with ignorance, bigotry, intolerance, and irrational thinking. I don't see why those "drugs are bad" people won't accept that drugs (and other things) are not black and white.

Thank you.

impirius7

the T in DMT stands for tryptamine, which is a basic structural molecule that is the parent structure for many psychoactive compounds. serotonin, which regulates many of our normal biological functions, is 5-hydroxy tryptamine. 5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine is 5-MeO-DMT. the structural similarity allows the DMT molecule to fit into the serotonin receptor and mix up any signal that was trying to be sent across the synapse. many other hallucinogens are active in the same manner as 5-MeO-DMT. Psilocybin, the psychoactive compound in shrooms, is 4-phosphoryloxy-N,N-DMT. LSD, though not a tryptamine compound, also effects serotonin receptors.

Antagony

People say I'm weird on this subject.

I don't possess any religious beliefs against drug usage, yet I've never so much as tried a single one.

Not only am I not held back by religious beliefs, but I also despise the drug laws in most of the world.

So why don't I do them?

I'm sort of a mental purist. I want to experience things as they truly happen. Artificial alteration of one's state of mind is what I avoid.

Oh yeah, drugs are expensive too.

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butthead

Psychoactive drugs generally have two functions when they bind to receptors. They either plug into the receptor and mimic neurotransmitter action (agonist) or they block access or neurotransmitters and other drugs without carrying on neurotransmission (antagonist). LSD and presumably other tryptamine hallucinogens (yes, LSD is a tryptamine) act as agonists at the 2A and 2C subclasses of serotonin receptors to exert their hallucinogenic effects. Also, there are several psychoactive chemicals in mushrooms that produce hallucinogenic effects.

I was just curious about the more advanced pharmacology of 5-MeO-DMT as I have read next to nothing on the subject (yet). I've only used it once, high-dose, very interesting.

impirius7

5-MeO-DMT is an agonist. Psilocybin is the main psychoactive in mushrooms, psilocin is also active and present in lower amounts.

pseudopsycho

haven't done a lot but i have done a few (weed, hash, opium, DXM, ritalin) and of the ones I have done, I have had fun with all of them. I have basic knowledge on each one but not enough to give you all sermons for so I guess I will just leave it at the fact that I like em and that is all that this thread is really asking for.

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Daval

I just like my beer & rum, not into anything else.

I experimented in college and high-school and decided I didnt like them.

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pseudopsycho

shit, I forgot to include cigarettes and alcohol to my list. oh well, they are on there now

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GreenCloud

ok, there's a hell of a lot i could say about drugs, and after having read everything in this thread there was a whole lot i wanted to say in response. however, in an effort to save time and space and to try to keep my rantings to a minimum, i'm just gonna try to give a (relatively) short response to the original post.

drugs i have done so far: (in the order in which i tried them)
caffeine
nicotine
marijuana
LSD
alcohol
cocaine
ephedrine
DXM
salvia divinorum
opium
adderal
psilocybin mushrooms
ritalin
percocet
xanex
(also, many/various combinations of the above)

i am very much addicted to caffeine and cigarettes. i think people make a big mistake in assuming legal substances aren't as bad, especially caffeine(cigarettes are bad too of course, but that's much more publicized, so i see no need to emphasize that here). i'm getting much better (for the most part) at regulating my caffeine intake; it's honestly probably caused me more physical damage/discomfort/problems in general than anything else. ever had a caffeine overdose? not fun. the days when i wouldn't be able to sleep for a week or always needed a cup of double or triple strong coffee just to function are over now, thankfully.

weed is absolutely wonderful (IMO) and it's also the (illegal) drug i use most often. i'm a pothead/stoner/whatever you want to call me, and not ashamed of it. i've never been much of an alcohol person. although i do drink, it's generally not a major thing for me. if i had to choose i'd pick pot over alcohol any day

my favorite overall/so far/etc is LSD. no contest. guess i'm just an acid head at heart. i like psychedelics in general, and so far i like acid better than anything else. shrooms are great too. i like DXM quite a bit as well and have tripped on it more often than any other substanse; most often high second platuea doses, although my first few times were first plateau, and i have made it to third on a few occasions.

i like opium a whole lot, probably too much, but it's not been a hard thing to keep under control. basically, i don't buy large amounts at once and i dont let myself buy too often either.

adderal and ritalin are both fun, under the right circumstances, although i prefer adderal. i've snorted both and smoked adderal (initially just mixed in w/ a bowl, later freebase as well). being amphetamines, both are also great for studying, and also helpful when i just plain have a lot of shit to get done. but amphetamine binges arent exactly a good thing, so i use in moderation(well, moderation for me, obviously it varies from person to person). i prefer adderal for studying as well, although smoking it, as it has a different set of effects, isn't really appropriate to those situations; otherwise, i prefer smoking over snorting.

coke was fun, and i liked it a lot the few times i have done it, but it is far too expensive for me to let it be a regular thing.

salvia was...very interesting. i liked the trip(finally got there after several failed and only a few halfway decent attempts), but it's hard to get an effect with just leaf, which was what i originally purchased and was experimenting with. i think any future explorations of salvia will be with extracts, for practicality's sake, since one must dose quickly for salvia to work. you can't just "boost" later and smoke more.

i haven't done X, even though i've had the opportunity on many occasions. it just hasn't appealed to me enough to be worth the risk and high price. acid, shrooms, dxm, and salvia (etc) are all cheaper and safer, plus i know i like them. i may use x at some point, but only under the right conditions. i'd want a source i really trusted, a safe place and time, no work(etc) the next day, a supply of anti-depressants for afterwards to avoid the super-low serotonin levels that would otherwise result, and - most importantly - someone i really loved and trusted to be there and roll with me (and no, i wouldn't try to convince anybody to do something they didn't want to, and in this particular case i'd just as soon not do it as do it alone. even though there have been many occasions when i was the only one tripping, it seems to me that X would be an experience best shared). never at rave, however, i can say that. i'm not good with crowds, plus you never know quite what you're getting, plus there are all sorts of other risks as well. so, no raves for me.

as far as drugs i would never do... well, honestly, i'm up for most anything. i wouldn't smoke crack, i can definitely say that. i know shouldn't do heroin - i know too many junkies (all of which are good people, and functioning members of society, btw) to think it's something casual or to just say "oh, i can handle that, i'm experienced with drugs" (especially as fond as i am of opium, i know i would LOVE heroin) - but i have to honestly say, if the opportunity came up, in the right circumstances (i.e. safe place, someone i trust very much who knows what they're doing, etc) i doubt i'd turn it down. i think i'd have to keep it under control the same way i do opium, only much more strictly - like a friend of mine who for several years now has limited his use to only 2-3 times a year at most, and when he does use, plans everything out before hand, takes a weekend off from work and all other obligations, and rents a hotel room a few states away. he's still addicted, but doesn't let it run his life and distances himself from it so that he is no longer as tempted on a daily basis.

in general, i try to learn everything i can about a given drug before i try it - both from research/reading about it and by talking to those who are more experienced - and i'm always learning more. i will probably be doing various drugs for the rest of my life, and will try those that i have learned enough about to be interested in doing and that i fell comfortable doing. i intend to explore psychedelics quite a bit more, and i doubt i'll ever give up weed entirely, even if i do end up smoking less as i get older..

basicly, i feel that drugs can be good or bad, depending on the person, the substance, the setting, and a whole range of other factors. drugs happen to be a big part of my life, but they don't run my life. i can't say that every drug experience i've had has been 100% positive, but overall, in my case, there have been a lot more positives than negatives, most especially with marijuana and the psychedelics. drugs aren't for everybody though. one should use common sense, know the substance involved, know one's limits, and and know when certain substances are or are not appropriate.

as far as memorable experiences.... oh i've had plenty... but this post is long enough already, so if someone wants to know more they can pm me or get in touch through AIM

(ok, sorry if i wasted anybody's time, just throwing in my two cents on the drug issue)

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pseudopsycho

good points GreenCLoud

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thanks

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BigJayz

::stands and applauds:: I feel exactly the same! I smoke GOOD weed almost everyday. I have for years, I don't think I have lost any ambition and I don't think that any of my peers think so either. I have a good job, kids, a couple nice cars and I take care of my responsiblities.

I have in the past done other drugs that did impair my life. I used to be a speed freak, that shit almost killed me. I have done coke, acid, shrooms and x. None of which I can ever see myself doing again. Well maybe shrooms if I was in the right state of mind.

butthead

heh, just pot man

and a few other things.

rockogre

Dudes!

Drugs, many, various, excessive, continual.

I can't remember the 70s.

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Captain Canada

So far Ive done pot, acid, shrooms, and vicodin. Vicodin didnt do anything for me, Im a regular casual user of pot. And I do shrooms some too. Acid was fun, but I dunno when i'll do it again. I want to try Ecstacy though, just once.

pseudopsycho

I do drugs for fun but I also do them to enhance my creativity. I am an avid song writer and I find it easier for me to write songs while I am stoned. My thoughts get more in depth therefore making my songs more in depth as well. When I look back through my notebooks I can tell the songs I wrote while sober and the songs I wrote while stoned. The drug induced songs are more thoughtful and meaningful for me. It is hard for me to express my emotions when I am sober but when I get stoned they seem to just flow out of me from the pen to paper and from paper to guitar. Just something I thought some on here would find interesting.

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GreenCloud

true, it can be dangerous, although i must admit i've enjoyed that combination myself on many occaisions too. freebase adderal + a forty or two... oh my what an awesome buzz just cant forget to keep drinking water/gatorade/whatever too, else you'll get really dehydrated. you'd feel really great for a while, but that'd be the hangover from hell the next day

very, very true. it also happens to be (overall) my most expensive habit

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pseudopsycho

smoking is def. my most expensive habit. Making a trip or two to the local convenience store every day

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BBtB

When I smoke I only smoke good weed. There is a diference. Sometimes bad weed will make me lazy. Maybe that is were the sterotype of the sloth full pot head teen came from.


I am the same way. Unless I get REALLY stoned my mind is just racing so fast I have a hard time getting all the ideas out.

-=BT=-

I've done acid, 2-CB, coke, speed, ecstasy (a LOT of), shrooms, canabis (weed, skunk, resin) and a few more I can't really remember.

My favourite was acid. What an experience. Did quite a few of those and had an incredible time. They made me use my brain like I never had before. Sort of stretches your mind and opens it to another way of thinking.

After maybe three years (between the age of 18 and 21) of very frequent ecstasy use I found my head was starting to fall apart and I was losing my confidence and getting paranoid. Now I rarely even smoke pot (apart from when I'm drunk).

I'll never do a class A drug again. Not because I don't believe in taking them (I've had too many amazing experiences to believe that), but because I don't think I could handle it anymore. My head was constantly dulled. Plus I'm settled with a very nice girl now who I doubt would appreciate it.

Miroslav

I find it amazing that so many peope dont consider alcohol a drug. I know from experience that alcohol is just as dangerous if not more that pot or (pills when taken correctly).

Now yeah when you get into harder drugs like coke and stuff that may be crossing the line.. but milder drugs when compared to alcohol should not be any more illegal than alcohol.
Just my opinion.

Neuroactive

In quick response to impirius7 and buttface's conversation:

Unfortunately, very little research has been documented on 5-MeO-DMT. This is because it is too much of a endogenous chemical and has not undergone any true research (peer reviewed, above-board, etc.) for a number of reasons (that being one of them).

Although more commonly researched, even N,N-DMT has very little concrete understanding in the research that has focused on its effects on humans for over 40 years now. The primary reason for the ignorance on the substance and its analogues seems to be, in part, due to the impulsive illegalization of DMT by the DEA as soon as it appeared as a possible recreational drug. Many research teams were denied licenses to research DMT by force of politics and pressure of the DEA from all fronts.

It's unfortunate, as I believe firmly that all harvested DMT analogues (5-MeO, N-N) have much to show us about the brain's internal functions and possibilities.

On the subject of drugs (relating more to the general social commentary that is involved in the topic), I honestly don't think I could say much more than anyone else has. I am more of a psychonaut than anything else - I believe there is responsible and judicious drug use going on and that there are people out there who know what they are doing. Buttface made a good point when he said that knowledge gained isn't necessarily knowledge applied. The percentage of users with knowledge gained is small, and the percentage even decreases when you look at users with knowledge applied.

As always, it seems the government is doing its job by keeping the general public "safe" from doubt and "worry-free". Unfortunately, the good of the public isn't necessarily beneficial for me, and this explains my bitter attitude toward the drug policies of the United States.

Decriminalization of pot is necessary, and generally speaking, a controlled legal release of many substances is necessary across the board. Time will be the healer for these freedoms, and hopefully we will see a gradual shift of support for decriminalization by users and non-users alike over the next couple decades.

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BBtB

I just bought "The Culture of fear" by Barry Glassner and while I have not read all (or most... I just got it today) the book yet it seems like a very good book. I would recomend everyone to read it even and even more so the chapter on drugs (Chapter 6 -"The smack is back") it shows how our drug laws are based more on politics and corporations with money to be made then on saving lives.

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Martel

It's disappointing to see so many people proudly declaring, "I've never used drugs, and I never will!"

To me, this is about like saying "I've never read a book, and I'll be damned if those crazy kids are going to get me started!"

While we're in "post everything you've ever done" mode, here's my list:

Alcohol (duh, instant dumbness)
Marijuana (didn't really like it)
Ketamine (incredible)
MDMA (not particularly impressive)
DPT (incredible to the tenth power of the tenth power)
5-MeO-DMT (interesting, but not mind-blowing)
5-MeO-aMT (amusing, but not mind-blowing at all)

My (short) list of things to try includes DMT and LSD.

While I'm totally in favor of all drugs being legal, the ones that personally do it for me are tryptamine-based psychedelics. I've got a report or two posted on erowid in the DPT section if anyone's interested. Anyone who's ever done anything similar will understand how impossible it is to really convey the experience. Incredible. Awesome. Every superlative adjective there is, rolled up into one and magnified by ten.

To people who've never experienced such things, I can only lovingly say: "If only you knew."

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remiel

these are the drugs I have used or still use

alcohol, every now and then
caffeine, basically every day
cannabis, once in a blue moon

that's basically it. I'm just not a very drug-related person

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