What is up with China?
 

What in the holy crap is going on over there? They're taking out pre-schoolers like guccilvr at an Old South festival.

5 kindergarten students hurt in hammer attack, 3rd assault on a Chinese school in 3 days

I like to think I have a decent bit of knowledge about geography, cultures, social behavior, etc., but I have no frame of reference for this at all. At first, I thought I was seeing the headlines for the same story being recycled over several days, but I finally figured out it has all been several separate, different attacks?!?!?!

I dunno, the story says "most of the recent school attacks have been blamed on people with personal grudges or mental illness — seen as a growing problem because of feelings of social injustice and alienation in the fast-changing country." The story also said some of these may be copycat crimes.

Anybody that attacks school children with a hammer then sets themselves on fire is not playing with a full deck, is one brick short of a full load and their elevator is not going all the way to the top. IMO

Perhaps a sign of the times, welcome to the fucked up modern world China. A Chinese version of Dahmer may be next.

I don't think there's any thing wrong with China. Some people are fucked up, and happen to live there. They're everywhere!!

What is up with China????

Communism, lack of a voice, one child law, oppression, poverty, government exploitation of its people, lack of free press and free speech, etc…. children are the Chinese citizens most precious possessions......

If you are tired of your life as a Chinese citizen and you want to be as offensive to your country as you possibly can be, and know that the government is vulnerable (re: children) and that it WILL draw the attention you seek, you prey on the weak and vulnerable for sensationalism and ease of delivery. It's not like the children were going to fight him as an adult would, and they were already grouped together. These attacks are against the government, via the children.

I am not saying these individuals aren’t sick, they obviously are, but these attacks are symptoms of a far larger disease than just mental instability. It’s a sad, sad atrocity, and it won’t stop until their people have a sense of self worth and self value outside the Chinese Communistic matrix. Socialism leads to communism leads to chaos, not utopia.

I read that the gates of the elementary school were locked, name me an elementary school in America where they have the gates locked, this already screams of the problems they face, are they locking the kids in, or the rest of a angry, resentful, broken society out.

The one child law is a necessity, with a population of 1 billion 400 million or so.

Besides that, I totally agree Idyllic. That is All

This isn't wrong, it's common sense. I'd be all for the US adopting this to some extent.

Some good points here, but it's worth mentioning that much is changing in terms of the economy. It hasn't been a communist state since economic reforms over the past few decades. Although the government maintains a lot of control, there is private enterprise and actual markets.

I'm not sure if this contributes to what has happened here with the hammers, but there could be a wider growing unrest among the people as they gradually get more independence through this economic shift. Just look at car sales in China. Can you imagine the sense of freedom of finally having access to a car for the first time?

You do realize this is like saying capitalism leads to fascism....

And you make it sound like a utopia is possible under other systems of government, and that chaos doesn't happen outside of communism. Not that this really matters, China is essentially a socialist state.

I personally think that the kind of incidents in the OP article can be at least indirectly tied to the social, economic, and cultural change happening in China. Here in the west we cannot even imagine this kind of change.

Not to be a pain in the ass, but how is this so very different from all the young girls kidknapped and murdered in Florida?

I feel it's all a sign of sickness and uncontrolled anger and wonder so many sick fucks feel they need to harm (anyone) esp. to innocent young kids. These are sad times.

Sick people under stress do fucked up things.

It's happening all over the world.

I am actually against the one child policy, not for reasons of reproductive freedom, or anything dealing with freedom- rather, we as a species never deal with anything until its too big to ignore, and that is with a lot of us working full time to ignore said thing.... population is going to grow, and we are going to either find ways to power, feed, and manage the teeming masses, or we will not survive- limiting the number of children they can make is a worse solution than, say, developing the tech we need to solve problems here and then go to the stars..... take off the breaks, and run at full speed- we will either solve the problem this causes, or die and make room for the next thing to wander by and evolve enough to produce Styrofoam......

all I know is that you're absolutely right warr.. I wouldn't stand a chance in hell at a southern festival. :lol: This is why I avoid them like the plague.

There are fucked up people everywhere, the sad part is we don't even know about half of the fucked up shit that goes on.

It's not new. Abuse of children, especially sexual abuse, has occurred in nearly all cultures throughout history. However, our attitudes towards children have changed significantly in the last century or so. We've moved from seeing children as property for parents to do with what they will to seeing children as people. This isn't a bad thing. We've finally started to acknowledge that children have rights too.

The media plays a role too. As I said, abuse of children is not a recent phenomenon. It just feels like it because of our globalized, sensationalistic media.

I would say what's happening in China is probably due to the sheer number of people with mental illness who are unable to get help for their problems, among other factors.

I walk past schools with locked gates since 1980 when I was still going to school in the United States.

I even walk past schools today in NYC with locked gates and doors. One main entrance manned by security, all other exits are locked and emergency exits only.

Cynthetiq, Yeah, I don't think I could use N.Y. as an example of the whole open door policy most schools in this nation adhere to, aside from "lock down" necessity. I assume N.Y. however, that word (assume) frightens me already. I should say, in the 80's there was a lot of vocalization re: schools chain locking their doors, this is illegal now. At least it is when it comes to completely preventing entry or departure, the front door to a school must remain open, except during "lock down". All other doors, while preventing unauthorized entry and forcing front door entry only, must be emergency exit allowable at all times, fire code.

I don't think I will ever understand the depth of depravity on must wallow in to feel the necessity to vomit their own hatred on such a vulnerable group of humans, I find it to be incomprehensibly broken minded, the question is, what drives a mind to break so irreparably? It's just a terribly, terribly sad situation from all angles.

I grew up in the suburbs of LA. I go to see my sister in Valencia, locked gates there too. Locked from the OUTSIDE, but can still be pushed to the exit during exits.

NYC was were the Shirt waist coat factory fire was... it's illegal for a long time now.

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According to the coverage of the Kentucky Derby today, China has over 3000 KFC restaurants, with a new one opening every day. I guess my thought would be that they are eating too many abnormal chicken-growing hormones, sending them into fits of rage.

I also have another theory that they have a much darker version of Grand Theft Auto in the Chinese video game market in which you can take a hammer to a pre-school class; this game is obviously having an adverse effect on these Chinese crazies.

It is what happens when a desire to live a customized life meets with a force that restricts ones freedom to do so.

The hammer to the children is a subset of initial outbursts.
(whereby, in an extreme attempt at being unique, one cannot copy another..)

The perpetrators know that -

A.) No one cares about them or their beliefs.
B.) No one cares about the kids, either.
C.) It doesn't matter anyway.
D.) Nothing can change that.


The force is a huge population.


The same type of thing happens in Japan, as well, though it would seem the force there is intense competition more so than just a huge population.

Attacks in China
 

Some brutal mass-murders of young schoolchildren have been happening in China.


Link to the whole article- Seven Children Killed in School Attack in China - NYTimes.com

Are these isolated acts by a few disturbed individuals?
Or do you see any order to the killings?
Have there been many more than those that have broken into media attention?
Do you think attacks on schoolchildren would be any more frequent if China had less-strict gun regulations?

Isolated attacks by disturbed individuals? Definitely. Have there been more we haven't heard about? Not likely. Even in China, or perhaps especially in China, with its strict population controls, killing children is a particularly heinous crime.

Is there order to these killings? Not as such, but there is a very telling remark by one of the perpetrators in that he was depressed over the failure of his love life. The Chinese have, since the implementation of the 1-child/couple rule, heavily favoured boys. Female fetuses have been selectively aborted, and girls have been abandoned/left to die as newborns. There is a growing imbalance in the male:female ratio that will leave millions of Chinese men unable to find a mate. As the situation worsens, the likelihood will increase of finding more men like these ones who cannot deal with this.

Will it lead to MORE of this sort of atrocity? Hard to say, but it's certainly possible... a crisis of their own making. Let's hope it doesn't lead to the traditional way of dealing with excess male populations... WAR.

i so love theonion...

Here's another article on the matter:
Killer in China School Stabbing Knew His Victims - NYTimes.com

I've been following the child slayings in china too, since they first began back in March.

I can handle news of shiites, kurds, and sunnis. Suicide bombers. Online predators. What have you.

But stabbing kindergartners? c'mon... I gotta draw the line.

My own ideas tend to lean toward what GreyWolf says. It is clear to me China has lost respect for girlhood. The dishonor of womanhood. They are mentally ill because there are no women around to love them. The whole bio-region itself has lost its femininity so vital to peace.

This is the kind of news I can't bare to think about for very long or else I'll succumb to depression myself. Must try to see some good in the world or else be consumed by all the bad.

Timothy Mcveigh killed some kids with his bomb, but somehow I see that as different than plunging a blade directly into a defenseless child's heart.
Like Timothy could disassociate with the murder he'd done, while the chinese murderers seemed to desire the bloody savagery.

I've seen dead mangled bodies on war TV, it's gross but I can forget about it.
Seeing dead children is not something I can forget so easily.

One thing I can say, seeing all this nonsense going on abroad, God bless America.