Plan9

*palmface* Maybe I should have had Justice Scalia write my opinion? Or Host?

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Oh, wait... you're a breeder.

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Glory's Sun

The thing about facebook..(and pretty much anything else online) is how easy it is to have the stuff stolen.

With all the 4chan facebook hacks and CYI's recent group takeovers, it's easy to see just how weak facebook's security is. You have a private album(s)? That private check box means jack shit. Anyone can get into those albums in about 20 seconds just by manipulating the text in the address bar.

So even if you have a relatively "clean" page, and it's set to private and you have stuff you don't want seen by anybody in "private" it's easy to access and easy to expose.

Want to go a step further? People with iPhones or access to Google earth can find out your exact location (house) just by using your facebook data. Stalker city would be a better name for hackbook.

Plan9

It's so safe... because they say it's safe.

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If you must Facebook, perhaps these tips will help.

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Glory's Sun

hahaha

yup it says it's safe so IT MUST BE

let's ignore the fact it was started by CIA people.. let's ignore all the 4chan hacks and all the stolen pics.. FB says they are safe.. so I BELIEVE IT

Plan9

Facebook: From the same people that brought the inner city ghettoes crack cocaine!

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Cynthetiq

facebook has connected me with over 100+ family members I did not know as part of my genealogy project.

as far as privacy is concerned. I've spent an inordinate amount of time poking and probing facebook. So while it's not secure 100%. It is reasonably secure as is anyone's home or car.

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Glory's Sun

yeah but I have an alarm that tells me if someone is breaking into my car or home. I have dogs that patrol my house while I'm gone. Who's keeping the bad guys out of FB? nobody.

Cynthetiq

this kind of technology is going to make it even more deadly on facebook or off.

Photo Tagger Alerts You When A Picture Of You Appears On Facebook, Tagged Or Not

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There's alot of information about you already public.

Do a search for yourself on spock.com or some of the other people search engines. Remember these are the public ones, there's plenty of paid private ones, including but not limited to credit checks.

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Plan9

How do they get his name in the first place, Cynth?

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Cynthetiq

I'm not going to reveal such skillz :P

I'm not saying to connect TFP username to Facebook IRL name. I'm saying that if you think that you've got privacy issues because of facebook, you're sadly missing a huge piece of the puzzle.

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Glory's Sun

oh I know the information is out there.. not denying it's not, but when you sign up for a service who claims tight security and it's as easy as changing a few characters in the address bar to get into the private stuff..that's a joke.

Cynthetiq

I don't believe that FB says they have tight security. I believe they offer a level of reasonable expected privacy. Meaning that they produce a reasonable method to prevent your stalker MIL, GF, BIL, BF et. al. from being able to easily access your profile and it's content.

So while you can access "private" photos, there's no names of the individuals in the filenames or pointers. So stalkerperson cannot just go to http://facebook.com/bobbysue/photos and see all of her photos.

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Glory's Sun

no? then how does 4chan grab all their shit all the time?

how do people find the information such as address and all that just from an accepted friend request? that's not reasonable at all in my book.

Plan9

Oh, certainly... it's your eggs and their basket, to use the old barn yard standard. You don't have to put your eggs in there and you shouldn't rely on their basket to keep 'em safe. My idea with this thread is that I don't trust their basket to protect me from chickenfuckers. B'kawk.

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Cynthetiq

Because the point there is that that they "accepted" a friend request. By default all your information is open to anyone you "accept" as friends. In my opinion that's no less nefarious than using admin password blank for routers when they are manufactured and not requiring you to change the password when you install it.

I've tried poking at my sister's profile because she specifically doesn't want her mother-in-law from getting access to her photos of her children. She specifically denies her that ability at the blocked name level.

This specifically made me and many others, block all my friends from all my information. I specifically put people into various lists of access based on the level of my actual friendship with them.

What is more nefarious and more troubling isn't the expectation of privacy from individual people, but the actual information that is being trawled by companies that people freely give their information and access to their profile. Understand people are doing this willingly to play Mafia Wars and raffles like BigPrize Giveaways. Understand that people are FREELY giving up their privacy to companies every time they use an application within Facebook.

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Glory's Sun

a lot of the 4chan hacks weren't from accepted friend request either..

Cynthetiq

can you show me which 4chan hack your talking about? because I don't find one that wasn't some sort of cross hack.

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Glory's Sun

that would involve actually going there and digging through all the 404s.

eh.. I guess what it comes down to is FB is what you make of it. I just don't make anything of it because I don't like it.

again if you want a business tool.. use link'din

BogeyDope

Hai guise, so I just made this totally cool facebook page called TFPERS UNITE ONLY COOL PEOPLE ALLOWED. You should all join, its super kawaiiiiiii

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Plan9

That's more like MySpace, isn't it? Or is Facebook that lame?

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filtherton

I think you've made your opinion on the liabilities presented by Facebook abundantly clear. If you're the type of person who can't possibly help himself from making comments that reflect poorly on you with respect to potential employers, then I can see your point. I don't know. I guess I don't find it too difficult to separate the spaces where I can say whatever the hell I want and the spaces that I can't.

Well, gucci is a breeder too, and he "gets" it. OMG!!! *GASP* You can relate to the perspective of someone with a child!! You must be losing your mojo.

Xerxys

Gucci, what you speak of is not a "hack" perse. More like a work around. I remember the thread that was created by you and then re-created again by crack about the people giving up on life and wanting to commit suicide. Such security breaches were achieved by hacking other sites (similar to TFP) not facebook. That and cracking the password.

Hacking cannot be achieved easily as you seem to imply even from people with direct access to the software.

If an employer wanted info on you including that time you were 13 and fooled around with your 12 year old neighbor and she ratted you out even though she brought the condoms don't you think they'd find it if they wanted to regardless of social networks?

You and cromps are just being paranoid.

P.S. Gallileo is NOT me! I swear!

SecretMethod70

I really don't understand the general animosity some people have toward Facebook. It is what you make of it. As cynthetiq points out, you can group people and set different privacy restrictions for each group, and you can give specific individuals certain privacy restrictions as well. As for what information is available, that depends entirely on what you put out there. That said, do I really care if someone finds out I ate at XOCO the other night and recommend it to others? No, no I don't.

LinkedIn, as much as I wish it were useful, sucks. In my perfect world, Facebook would be strictly social, and LinkedIn would be strictly business. The reality is, Facebook is mostly social and some business, while LinkedIn wishes it were business and is now trying to be more social to convince people to bother using it.

Facebook is just a new communications tool. You still choose who you communicate with. Don't like being inundated with Joe Schmo playing Farmville the whole time? Block Farmville updates from your newsfeed. Don't like seeing Jane Smith's constant updates? Block her, or tell the newsfeed to show you less of her. Worried about not getting a job because you're an atheist who eats babies? Don't fill out the religion part or post pictures of you eating babies - or at least restrict access to that information only to the groups of people you know are accepting of your baby-eating god-hating inclinations.

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Cynthetiq

I have one cousin that plays every single game. I'm glad that she finds "fun" in doing so. I use that to my advantage because I hide all the apps on my wall. This way I don't see my other friends who decide they want to play "Which Muppet Are You?"

I can't believe how often someone passes out production work needs on facebook. It does not happen on LinkedIn.

Sometimes I see stuff like: "Production starting, need PAs". "Anyone know of a spanish speaking producer in Las Vegas?" " "Need senior coodinator for show" "Need seat fillers for awards show"

I don't see crap in LinkedIn in the same manner. Usually it's a tool that people use to social climb and get introduced to people. At least that's my experience with it.

And as far as networking a business on FB. It's been a real easy thing to do for a friend and his restaurant, I'm working on another friend's restaurant marketing and doing all the social networking angles too. It's rather amazing to see the marketing at work and know that it's somewhat working in building a precense versus putting stuff out there in print, and not knowing what happens to it at all.

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Baraka_Guru

Just don't end up here: Lamebook

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spindles

Maybe if you have a crime planned, you could use facebook to setup your alibi:

Facebook alibi: charges dropped thanks to status update

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Plan9

I'm not paranoid, Xerxys... I'm held to a higher standard by those nice men that examine me with PVS-14s at 3 AM.

Some of us work at K-Mart and clean toilets... some of us work behind a desk... and some of us do other things.

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I don't need to post 191 pictures of myself drunk at a party and talk about all the mad seckz I'm getting. Really.

Especially when there are these old fashioned anonymous boards out there where I can be a smiley skull face.

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I get the feeling some people have discarded the fact that the world actually turned before social networking sites.

Don't wanna step on your dicks, but it's true.

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SecretMethod70

That site is AWESOME

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BogeyDope

Ohhh so you're the dark, mysterious type. You should totally put that on your profile cause chicks dig it!!! In fact, I think there's an app for it on facebook!!!! SUPER KAWAII XD

/retardmode

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Plan9

Don't be ridiculous. That's like suggesting that the Amish are dark and mysterious. Wait a sec... they kinda are. Heh.

/retardmode

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Fremen

So, I finally got sucked into joining Facebook from watching my friend play Mobsters 2 and Mafia Wars.
Now I'm addicted to the mob life.

I used an alias as my username, though. tee-hee

Edit:

And, oh yeah....Crompsin!!! I didn't know that was you! Good to see you.

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BogeyDope

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Plan9

What gave it away, Magnum?

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Fremen

It was my super-sleuthing that clued me in.........to reading your sig.

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Plan9

I love TFP. Everybody here always makes me stop and really think about what I'm going to say next.

Unlike in my actual life, of course, where I just blurt out whatever comes up and damn the torpedoes.

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Maybe that's the problem with Facebook... everybody is so comfortable that they lose their little minds.

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LordEden

I'm officially addicted to this site. Thank you Baraka, you are going to help me waste yet another day at work on the internet.

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wooÐs

First, Myspace.
Then LinkedIn
Then Facebook

Eventually, there will be a newer and improveder version too. It's all gravy.

Baraka_Guru

The only site bigger than Facebook right now is Google, and one can only imagine how big that is.

I can't see how anyone is really that surprised with the Facebook phenomenon. It's had a few refinements since its launch, but generally the premise is the same: You float yourself out there, you connect with people, you interact. This is one of the biggest driving forces behind humanity: communication.

There is an entire subset of our technological development that has resulted from one thing: our curiosity and desire to communicate and interact in new and meaningful ways.

The development goes a little something like this:

• Spoken language
• Written language
• Messengers (on foot and on horseback)
• Homing pigeons
• Postal service
• Bound books
• Newspapers
• Photography
• Electric telegraphs
• Morse code
• The telephone
• Phonographs
• Gramophones
• Magnetic recordings
• Radio
• Television
• Fax machines
• Computers
• Cell phones (wireless devices)
• The Internet

Hmm..... and we have an entire thread on just one website on the very last item of this list.

It's interesting to note, however, that this last item has allowed us to communicate in completely unprecedented ways. It is astounding how the Internet compares to every other item on that list (with the exception of language, of course). The Internet blows away virtually any other technology, so much so, that many of them have been rendered obsolete or relatively unused because of it.

For example, I use the Internet far more than fax, phone, television, radio, etc., combined. And I use the Internet for virtually all the same reasons why I would use those other things.

Despite all the privacy issues or issues of "lameness," Facebook is an enabler in terms of allowing people to communicate in ways they've never been able to before. It doesn't replace all communication, as real-life interaction has its place. But many people are more in touch now than they ever have been before, and much of that has to do with Facebook, or "social networking" in general.

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Xerxys

This is true. What I am saying is facebook does have the person that gets drunk and has 119 photos of himself doing a kegstand posted up on his/her profile. And I have a facebook profile with similar pictures, only I am the one who was taking, uploading and tagging them, .

Question is, who will you be?

Plan9

Neither. I don't want Those Who Are Concerned to associate me with any aspect of that type of behavior.

My FaceySpace profile was relatively sterile and very boring. You know what wasn't sterile or boring? My army buddies and their insanity.

My wall notes invited me to to the Church of Satan's Baby-Spiking Bash and had hand-bra pictures of questionable women.

This may be fun, but it's certainly not going to present me in the right light to those that would place me in a position of authority.

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