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Seems as though every time I speak with a friend back home in California, they mention the woman who recently gave birth to octuplets. After searching and not finding a thread here about it on the TFP, I decided to start one. Here's an article from the New York Times as background for discussion.

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Birth of octuplets rattles fertility experts

By Shari Roan and Jeff Gottlieb

January 28, 2009

Even as the birth of octuplets at Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center drew attention and applause from around the country, questions arose Tuesday about whether the mother's doctors did enough to prevent such a risky pregnancy.

The chances that the eight babies born Monday were conceived naturally are infinitesimal, infertility specialists and doctors in maternal-fetal medicine say. Today's reproductive experts have the tools and the know-how to avoid such high-risk pregnancies -- and often try desperately to do so.

"When we see something like this in the general fertility world, it gives us the heebie-jeebies," said Michael Tucker, a clinical embryologist in Atlanta and a leading researcher in infertility treatment. Tucker added that in his opinion, "if a medical practitioner had anything to do with it, there's some degree of inappropriate medical therapy there."

The parents of the octuplets have not been identified, and Kaiser officials say they have not been authorized to release information to the public on how the babies were conceived.

Doctors reported Tuesday that the eight babies, six boys and two girls, are doing fine. The babies were delivered Monday by cesarean section 9 1/2 weeks early and ranged in weight from 1 pound, 8 ounces to 3 pounds, 4 ounces.

"The babies had a very good night," said Dr. Mandhir Gupta, a neonatologist at Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center. The babies are stable and the two who were receiving help breathing had their breathing tubes removed Tuesday morning. They began feeding as well.

"They're doing amazingly well," Gupta said.

Despite that hopeful report, however, higher-order multiple births (defined as three or more babies born together) are dangerous for babies and the mother. Infants born prematurely face the risk of breathing problems and brain injuries that may cause permanent disability. Problems in premature babies, including learning disabilities or cognitive delays, are often not apparent until years after their births.

The American Society for Reproductive Medicine and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists say "doctors should be making efforts to curb these higher-order multiple gestations," said Dr. Geeta Swamy, an assistant professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Duke University. "But it really is still up to the individual physician. There aren't any laws or legal ramifications to it."

The babies could have been conceived through in vitro fertilization, in which eggs and sperm are combined in the lab and a specified number of the healthiest-looking embryos are transferred to the uterus. That scenario seems unlikely because fertility doctors are asked to adhere to strict guidelines that limit the number of embryos transferred. As a result, higher-order multiple births resulting from in vitro fertilization are uncommon.

A more likely scenario is that the mother of the octuplets received infertility drugs in a procedure called controlled ovarian hyperstimulation. The treatment, which is typically used to achieve pregnancy in women who do not ovulate, stimulates the ovaries to produce a number of eggs. As the eggs near maturity, the patient usually has artificial insemination.

An oral drug, clomiphene, can be used to stimulate the release of one or two mature eggs. But more powerful, injectable medications may produce eight to 10 mature eggs, said Dr. David Diaz, medical director of West Coast Fertility Centers in Orange County.

"That's the most common way these higher-order multiples occur," he said.

Some patients with infertility problems opt to try controlled ovarian hyperstimulation instead of in vitro fertilization because it is far less expensive -- about $2,000 to $3,000 instead of $10,000. Kaiser Permanente does not cover in vitro fertilization for its members. Although the octuplets were born in a Kaiser hospital, it's not known whether the mother is a Kaiser member.

Ovarian stimulation is far less controllable than in vitro fertilization, Swamy said, "because you can't control how many embryos you put back."

Even so, doctors typically go to great lengths to monitor treatments involving infertility drugs, Diaz said. If tests show too many eggs have been stimulated, doctors often will not follow through with a second medication that releases the eggs. They can also drain some of the follicles to reduce the number of eggs released.

If patients choose to proceed with the treatment -- even facing the potential of a large number of eggs being released -- they can later abort some of the embryos if a higher-order pregnancy occurs. Many patients dislike this practice, called selective reduction, said Dr. Harold Henry, director of maternal-fetal medicine at Kaiser Permanente. Some have religious or ethical objections to aborting any of the fetuses; others don't want to risk losing the entire pregnancy.

Infertility experts generally try to prevent multiple births because of the myriad potential health problems for mother and babies and because such births consume enormous financial resources for hospitals, health insurers and families.

Higher-order multiples are always born prematurely, often before 30 weeks gestation. Such babies are at risk of respiratory distress, infection and damage to their other organs, particularly the brain and gut. Premature infants have a higher rate of death in the first month of life than babies born full-term. Later, these babies are at higher risk for developmental problems and cerebral palsy.

"I hope they do well," Swamy said. "But often in the first day or two you don't see all the significant risks or complications that occur yet. You're looking at an average stay in intensive care of one month to six months depending on how they do. They are obviously not going to be feeding and growing in the same rate or manner that a singleton can."

Diaz added, "As the technology has evolved and we've had more success in the ability to develop embryos in the lab, we've become more careful and more conscientious that these births can occur.

"Most reproductive endocrinologists are very consistent in trying to avoid these kinds of pregnancies."

The more I learn about this case, the more I'm horrified by it. There's a recent video on CNN that interviews a plastic surgeon who states the woman has had multiple plastic surgeries, based on hear appearance. I can only see giving birth to octuplets as a publicity stunt - the woman cannot possibly be thinking about what is best for her children. I'm having a difficult time understanding why a fertility specialist would impregnate a woman who has several children and is on welfare. I sincerely hope that these children will have a pleasant future, but with a mother who has such a skewed view of reality - ack.

Some Questions for Discussion
When you first heard about the octuplets, what was your gut reaction?
Has your opinion changed as you read more news on the matter?
Do you think the family is receiving too much publicity, or not enough?
How much does a story like this interest you? Would you want to follow these children's upbringing in a TV show similar to Kate & Nate Plus Eight (or whatever that show is called)?

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My responses:
When you first heard about the octuplets, what was your gut reaction?
My first thought was: Wow, that must be a world record. I wonder how brain-damaged those children will be from lack of nutrients in the womb.
Has your opinion changed as you read more news on the matter?
I'm still concerned for the well-being of these children. I would like to see all of this woman's children stripped from her care and dispersed among parents who won't try to make money off of them.
Do you think the family is receiving too much publicity, or not enough?
Far too much news coverage, but I'm reading it, so I guess the news outlets are reaching their desired audience.
How much does a story like this interest you? Would you want to follow these children's upbringing in a TV show similar to Kate & Nate Plus Eight?(or wahtever that show is called)
This story interests me in the sense that I'm horrified by the concept of it. I would not want to follow their upbringing. I'm not too keen on shows like this, but I have friends and family who love family-based programming who adore that show and would like to see the octuplets in a TV show.

Interesting bits about this instance
- she spent an estimated $100K for the IVF procedures just to get those babies, which came from roughly $165K in disability payments from an on the job back injury in 2006
- She owes $50K in student loans
- obviously cannot support these children adeqautely
- Three of her previous 6 children are handicapped

People like the Duggars are an excellent example of fiscal and financial responsibility - they have are raising 18 children all birthed naturally and along the way have achieved a debt free life after struggling and paid for everything with their money.

This woman reminds of the Jon & Kate Gosling situation, I cannot watch that show where they are living a life that they could not afford in any way at all without TLC making them reality show stars for no better reason than havong 8 kids.

My initial reaction was overwhelmingly negative and has not changed. The only positive note is that all 8 children are healthy so far
Not following any indepth coverage, just read 2 or 3 news articles

Jolie irked by octomum who underwent surgery to look like her .:. NewKerala - India 's Top Online Newspaper

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Jolie irked by octomum who underwent surgery to look like her

London, Feb 14 : Angelina Jolie is reportedly creeped out by the mother of recently born octuplets- Nadya Suleman-because of rumours that the single mum has had facial surgery to make her look like the actress.

Suleman, 33, has also written several admiring letters to Jolie praising her work on behalf of children's issues, and also gushing about how talented she was, revealed a source close to the Hollywood beauty.

Suleman's friends said that she had altered her appearance to look like Jolie who has six children.

However, Suleman has denied having her lips plumped up and surgery on her nose.

"It is clear this woman needs psychological help," the Sun quoted a source close to Jolie as saying.

The insider added: "It's one thing to clip out a celebrity's photo from a magazine and ask your hair stylist to copy that cut. Who hasn't done that? But to have a nose job, have collagen injections in your lips and start talking like Angelina - that's over the top."

Nadya, who was already a mother of six, gave birth to the octuplets two weeks ago.

This case really pisses me off, there is so many issues with this case, including her alleged obsession with Angelina Jolie, the fact that she has 6 kids before, lives at home. The doctor broke protocol and implanted more embryos then recommended, tax payers have to pay the bills, and when dealing with multiples the physical and mental risk factors increase exponentially. I can drone on in detail about all these but just irks me to even think about it.

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Originally Posted by Speed_Gibson (Post 2596120)

People like the Duggars are an excellent example of fiscal and financial responsibility - they have are raising 18 children all birthed naturally and along the way have achieved a debt free life after struggling and paid for everything with their money.

Mr. Duggar declared their 7000 sq.ft. home a church, therefore they pay no property taxes like the rest of us.

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Originally Posted by Grancey (Post 2596160)

Mr. Duggar declared their 7000 sq.ft. home a church, therefore they pay no property taxes like the rest of us.

I apparently do not have sufficient interest to watch enough, I missed that point. I mainly remembered how they said they were drowning in debt earlier in life, and they got out if it without TLC advertising "choose your wedding dress" (whatever the hell that is called) while sending them on a Renewal of vows/second honeymoon to Hawaii. Must be hard when your entire trip to an expensive island is paid for by someone else.

Speaking of the Duggars, someone interviewed them, asking what advice they'd give to the mother of the octuplets:

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Parents of 18 wonder how octuplet mom will cope
Story Highlights

(CNN) -- Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar of Springdale, Arizona, are the parents of 18 children, and their family is the focus of a TLC network reality series.

Joy Behar, guest host Thursday night on "Larry King Live," asked the Duggars how they are able to stay debt free with such a large family and what they thought of Nadya Suleman, the single mother who recently gave birth to octuplets after having fertility treatments.

Following is a transcript of their conversation.

Joy Behar: Let me ask you something. What is your reaction to this octomom? Nadya Suleman, the story. What do you think about that?

Michelle Duggar: Well, I just know from my own heart, I can't judge and look at her and judge her situation. I just know from my heart, and personally God changed our heart about children years ago. And so we've kind of gone about it the old-fashioned way. And so we are enjoying each one of the blessings that God has given us, and we're thankful for each one of them.

Behar: Right, at least you guys enjoyed having the babies, you went through the sex then the giving birth. This woman didn't have any of that, except the giving birth, which must have been rough, don't you think?

Michelle Duggar: Oh, my, I can't imagine. I had twins, but I have -- I just can't imagine having eight at once and the responsibility that that brings.

Behar: Why do you suppose this woman has provoked such negativity? They have a "USA Today" Gallup poll saying 70 percent of those surveyed are unsympathetic to this woman. What is going on?

Michelle Duggar: Well, you know, I feel like probably more than anything it's just the fact of the responsibility issues from their perspective, and I, you know, I imagine that's probably more of the animosity that's out there. And so -- but I do -- I just can't imagine, you know, her -- how she's going to handle that many little ones under the age of 8. That's a lot of little ones all at once.

Jim Bob Duggar: We just need to pray for her.

Behar: But you guys haven't experienced that kind of hostility for the children you have. Is that because you're married?

Michelle Duggar: I don't know. I think maybe, you know, being that God's given ours one or two at a time and we've kind of done it the old-fashioned way, I don't know. We love them, we're enjoying them, and by God's grace we're taking care of them if he gives us one more. So I just think we're grateful.

Behar: I understand that you guys are debt free. I can't even imagine how you pulled that off. ... How did you do that?

Jim Bob Duggar: Well, back about 18 years ago, we saw Jim Sammons' financial seminar on DVD, and it was life-changing. At that point, we purposed to try to get out of debt and try to stay out of debt. And our family motto is to buy used and save the difference. We shop a lot at garage sales, thrift stores.

Michelle Duggar: Auctions. We bought our industrial kitchen equipment that way, our vehicles that way, and so we really cut corners and we live very frugally.

Jim Bob Duggar: That's right, we've never bought a new vehicle. So we do live -- we try to -- we know how to stretch a dollar.

Behar: How many cars do you have?

Jim Bob Duggar: We actually have probably about, what? Seven or eight right now?

Michelle Duggar: We have a lot of drivers, which is great.

Behar: Seven or eight cars, well, that's an expensive proposition, isn't it? Do you get public assistance of any kind?

Jim Bob Duggar: No, we don't -- we've never had any public assistance. Just like our 21-passenger bus, we bought at a sealed-bid auction for $2,100, we bought an '04 Suburban at an auction for like $7,000. Instead of $40,000 on a vehicle we ...

Behar: Yeah, I got it. I see what you're doing. But you have a book deal and a TV show. That's got to help. Do you think the octomom could get a TV show like you have? That might help her a lot.

Michelle Duggar: I could not imagine having that many little ones and being busy with a show. I think for our situation, our children are a lot older and our heart is really to just share with other families, encourage them that children are a gift and enjoy them while you have them because they grow up really fast. And so ...

Behar: Well, you keep having more. But you have plenty to still enjoy. They keep coming. I don't see that you're ever going to have an empty nest syndrome. They're going to be there.

Michelle Duggar: I hope not.

Behar: You guys will never be alone.

Michelle Duggar: We look forward to grandbabies, then. That'll be fun.

Behar: You know, let me ask you one more question about her. If she did get involved in doing a reality show like you guys are doing, do you have any advice for her? What kind of show should she have? Maybe she needs a baseball team or something. What advice could you give her?

Michelle Duggar: I don't -- I really -- I don't know.

Jim Bob Duggar: Yeah, I think it's a full-time job just taking care of the children while they're young. Maybe 10 years from now when the kids are 10 years old, that might be an option. But when they're all small, I think there's a lot of needs. And so, I think, she'll have her hands full. As I know when we had seven that were 7 and under, it was a very busy time.

Behar: Are you going to have some more, Michelle?

Jim Bob Duggar: I've always left it up to Michelle.

Michelle Duggar: We'll see. We'll take it one at a time. I would love more, but we'll see if the Lord sees fit and blesses us with another one.

Behar: Do you ever say to Jim Bob, get away from me, I have a headache?

Jim Bob Duggar: Actually, I can't keep her away from me.

Behar: Oh, boy. You guys are funny. OK, thanks so much for sharing your time with us yet again. Good luck to you both.

Michelle Duggar: Thank you.

Jim Bob Duggar: Thank you, Joy.

Seems like their only advice is to avoid the reality TV show circuit while the kids are young. Hmmm. I wonder if there's a tone of regret in that.

Not happy about his situation at all.

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Octuplets could be costly for taxpayers - Los Angeles Times

Using the 2007 average as a low estimate, Kaiser would be eligible for a combined $9,584 per day in Medi-Cal reimbursement. The babies, who are 16 days old, have already racked up a conservative $153,344 in Medi-Cal costs, not including their delivery. Kaiser doctors have said they will remain hospitalized for seven to 12 weeks. If they stay for seven weeks, the cost would be $469,616. If they stay 12 weeks, the cost would be $805,056.

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Octuplets' mom Nadya Suleman on food stamps, three older kids receive disability assitance | The Dish Rag | Los Angeles Times
How about the deprivation her 14 kids are gonna feel, growing up on food stamps and disability assistance?

It turns out that Nadya (surprise!) receives $490 a month in food stamps. To make matters even worse, three of her older six kids are disabled and receive federal assistance, her publicist confirmed Monday night.

Octomom Octuplets Nadya Suleman Losing Home Foreclosure Angela Suleman | dailystab.com

okay, i'm done, i just can't post here without getting utterly disgusted and pissed off.

don't forget that she's over 20 grand behind in her mortgage payment.

Idjits like this are prime candidates for involuntary sterilization.

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Originally Posted by shakran (Post 2598065)

don't forget that her mom, who she lives with, is over 20 grand behind in her mortgage payment, not to mention she paid for her IVF with Student Loans that she hasn't paid off

Idjits like this are prime candidates for involuntary sterilization.

FTFY. She is an entitled idiot addicted to having kids regardless of the consequences. She needs rehab, tubal ligation, and preemptive child abuse charges.

preemptive? I'd say she already abused 'em by having that many implanted at once. Even lower numbers of implanted cells cause birth problems, as we see with 3 of her kids. Doing more is flagrant.

Her doctor should be disbarred and pronto, IMO. That's just irresponsible to do invitro with a woman that unable to afford & care for that many kids. Aren't doctors held to the "first do no harm" rule? Well, letting an unbalanced,kid-addictive, unresponsible person lke Suleman have those 8 on top of the many she already has is just wrong.

Even her own mother said she was disgusted with Octomom's secret "plans" and has not been supportive. She's just playing the "system" and hoping for lots of hand outs.
It's really sad, especially for her first brood of six kids.

Women weren't meant to have litters!! As a taxpayer, this makes me glad that I no longer live in California.

And the more it's publicized the more bleeding hearts will help her out, no doubt. Protective services needs to be dropping in often and monitoring this, not the media, day by day.

yet another example of American over-indulgence, wastefulness and greed? Or a natural medical miracle? You be the judge!

PS Don't you think that maybe, just maybe, if the media ignored this type of shit instead of making it into a circus it would be less likely to occur? just a thought

The shesus and I were talking about this the other day when one of us said, "She shouldn't be allowed to have that many kids!" This turned the conversation into the practice of forced sterilization and should we - as a supposed free society - be in the business of dictating who can and can't have kids and how many kids a woman may have.

The conversation went in the direction as to who would determine who got to have children and who didn't, how many children the fortunate (or unfortunate depending on your point of view) were allowed to have, and what the consequences should be for having a child when you deemed unallowed.

It was a very interesting conversation.

My interest in this particular story goes little farther than our media's obsession with Nick-naming everything - Miracle on the Hudson, Octomom! - thus reducing our sociological consciousness to a monosyllabic utterance capable of capturing our opinion of such phenomena by the intonation of our utterance. Conversation is no longer necessary. The entire debate can be captured in the banter of the word in varying intonations.

Octomom?
Octomom!
Octomom!!
Octomom....(said while shaking head.)

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Originally Posted by shakran (Post 2598065)

don't forget that she's over 20 grand behind in her mortgage payment.

Idjits like this are prime candidates for involuntary sterilization.

The rumour mentioned on the CNN video I watched online today was that she is looking at homes in the 1.2 Million range while her mom's home is facing forclosure. :shakehead:
what struck me from that Duggar interview when I read it this morning was
"we've never had any public assistance....." They had fourteen kids before the new york media even expressed interest in them after seeing a picture in the paper.
sounds like this woman should not have had the six kids in the first place.

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Originally Posted by JumpinJesus (Post 2598242)

Uh oh, we're heading towards eugenics! :expressionless:

I'm really not sure what to make of a daughter who allows her mother's home to go into foreclosure while that daughter is in the market for a $1.2 million home. I know they're just working the system and mother will likely live with daughter, but dang... that just sits wrong.

If she is to remain in California, a home large enough to fit 14 children, even if they're sharing 4 to a bedroom, it will be a hell of an expense. $1.2 million begins to sound frugal when you're looking at homes that large. If it weren't for California's assistance programs, their family's extreme expenses would likely push them out of the state.

Here's an article in the UK Telegraph that mentions the older siblings of the octuplets and their disabilities. Only one disability is listed, stating that it has been reported that one has autism.

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Miss Suleman had previously claimed that she was raising her family without any government assistance. In an interview with NBC Today show host Ann Curry, the 33-year-old from Whittier, California said: "I'm not receiving help from the government. I'm not trying to expect anything from anybody. I just wanted to do it on my own."

The Los Angeles Times reported that she is paid $490 (£335) a month as part of California's food stamp programme, and an unspecified amount of federal assistance for her three disabled children.

Michael Furtney, Miss Suleman's spokesman, explained the apparent contradiction by saying that his client did not consider the payments to be welfare. "In Nadya's view, the money that she gets from the food stamp program ... and the resources disabilities payments she gets for her three children are not welfare," he said. "They are part of programs designed to help people with need, and she does not see that as welfare."

Mr Furtney did not specify which kinds of disabilities her children are affected by, although reports have claimed that one suffers from autism.

Miss Suleman is facing fresh criticism after reports emerged that taxpayers may be liable to foot the bill for the octuplets' birth and hospital care.

The Los Angeles Times claimed that the Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Centre is requesting that the multi-million dollar cost of caring for the infants - who were born nine weeks premature on January 26 - be paid by a California health plan for the poor.

The delivery alone involved a 42-strong medical team, and is estimated to have cost $1.3 million (£889,000), and the babies remain in the facility's neo-natal intensive care ward. The final cost of their treatment is expected to exceed $3 million (£2.1 million).

Questions have also been raised about the clinic responsible for all of Miss Suleman's pregnancies, which records show had an "absurdly low" IVF success rate, it has been claimed. In 2006, the West Coast IVF Clinic, which is run by Dr Michael M Kamrava, recorded only five pregnancies out of 61 treatments, and only two of those resulted in births. One of the births was Miss Suleman's twins.

Fertility specialist Dr Mark Surrey told the paper the clinic's numbers were "absurdly low".

"These are the worst numbers I've ever seen", he added.

All of Miss Suleman's treatments resulted in pregnancies.

Dr Kamrava has yet to comment on the furore surrounding his clinic's decision to implant six embryos in a single mother who already had six children. Two of the embryos split, resulting in Miss Suleman giving birth to octuplets

Dateline reproted that of the six siblings, one has ADHD, one has Autism, and one has a speech impediment.

What frustrates me is the lack of sound judgement that comes along with birthing more children when you already have one with autism and another with an extreme enough case of ADHD to receive disability assistance. Those two conditions are a HANDFUL, just on their own - why add more to the mix?

When you first heard about the octuplets, what was your gut reaction?

At first I heard a Stephen Colbert joke about it, and later a friend compared the Kate and Nate Plus Eight show to the film, The Truman Show with Jim Carrey. And until yesterday at a magazine rack, a guy said that a coworker of his used to know "The Octoplet Lady" (Bellflower is a short drive from here). Not that I was listening to all three, since I didn't care at the time.

Has your opinion changed as you read more news on the matter?

Ok, I'm starting to become a little interested. It seems like she didn't want to abort any of the eight embryos, and it does seem like she has enough children as it is. The only times people have had that many kids are to use as farm hands :)

Do you think the family is receiving too much publicity, or not enough?

I perfer this kind of news over the latest car chase or murder story (anyone hear about the double homicide by an 8-year old with a .22 rifle? No? Good). And after the Santa Masacre on Christmas Eve last year, my roommate thinks anyone can go crazy and start setting houses on fire while killing everyone inside and burning the presents too.

How much does a story like this interest you?

Oh, there are tons of jokes I can make from this :-D

Would you want to follow these children's upbringing in a TV show similar to Kate & Nate Plus Eight (or whatever that show is called)?

Nope.

The father is the taxpayers of California. I'm so proud to be raising these fine young children!

I can't stand Jon and Kate plus 8. Hour after hour of watching little miss borderline personality disorder emotionally abuse her family. While not on camera, they go around to churches begging for "love offerings" (why yes, I would like to give money to a family with their own TV show!)

The Duggars? Take a look into the quiverfull movement ... it's a grand plan to combat race dilution by raising an army of white Christian soldiers.

This one? She claims she wanted more kids because she was an only child. I don't get into the business of diagnosing people based on news items, but something is fucked in her head.

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Originally Posted by MSD (Post 2598905)

The Duggars? Take a look into the quiverfull movement ... it's a grand plan to combat race dilution by raising an army of white Christian soldiers.

The fortunate irony is those kids tend to turn out the worst miscreants. :lol:

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Originally Posted by MSD (Post 2598905)

I watch Jon and Kate occasionally on the off chance that we're going to see a tearful Kate trying to figure out how she's going to raise 8 kids on her own after Jon told her to go fuck herself.

The Duggars creep me the fuck out.

Octomom...well...I'm reminded of that episode of The Office where we learn that Michael Scott was on a television show as a kid and he tells the host that when he grows up he's going to have lots and lots of kids so they can't say "No" when he asks to be their friend.

One of my kids turns the telly to Jon and Kate occasionally. I can't stand even listening to control freak Kate. I guess you have to be somewhat of a control freak to keep 8 kids under wraps. But it puts me in an off mood when I hear her henpeck Jon. And interrupt Jon. And correct Jon, sometimes before he even finishes his sentence. Good gawd woman, shut the hell up already! (always wanted to say that).

Octomom: Don't know where to begin. Do know that it ends with 'selfish' and 'parasite' and 'nuts' though.

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OctoMom Offered Porn Deal
OctoMom Offered Porn Deal

By HASANI GITTENS

Updated 7:13 PM PST, Wed, Feb 25, 2009

Warning, you may be disgusted by this story.

Nadya "OctoMom" Suleman has been offered $1 million to make a pornographic movie by Vivid Entertainment.

The deal also includes health insurance for Suleman's swollen family.

"Nadya obviously needs income to assure that her children are secure so we are offering her up to $1 million to act in one movie," said Steven Hirsch, co-chairman of Vivid. "We've had many single mothers work with us over the years and their income from Vivid has been very helpful to them. We would schedule production so that the movie could be shot in less than a week."

A Vivid spokesman said they hope she receives the offer in the mail today.

The story was first reported on TMZ.com, where they had a copy of the letter Vivid sent to Suleman.

In the letter, Hirsch points out that OctoMom would join the Vivid-Celeb imprint line, which has featured stars such as Pam Anderson, Kim Kardashian and former Miss USA and NBC daytime star Kelly McCarty.

Suleman's octuplets, born on Jan 26. boosted her brood to 14, as she had six children already.

In case anyone was thinking that someone with that many children wouldn't make a good porn star, keep in mind her numerous kids were all fathered through artificial insemination and delivered through C-section. We're just saying.

Vivid is saying they are looking out for her and the children's well being.

I also thought this was an interesting disclaimer "Warning, you may be disgusted by this story."

Fascinating. I thought the porn industry had taken a substantial hit recently. Didn't think Vivid would be able to offer such contracts. I don't know how to take this news article as anything other than a joke. It does make me laugh.

Octomom admits mistake to Dr. Phil
this is an interesting revelation, at the same time it just worsens it for me. The more she talks the more I see that she's not really all there.

While I think what she did is horrible, I think it is wrong for a mom to ever publically admit that her children maybe a mistake.

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Originally Posted by Xazy (Post 2601697)

While I think what she did is horrible, I think it is wrong for a mom to ever publically admit that her children maybe a mistake.

c'mon, doc should be hearing the cash register dinging :D

I sincerely hope those kids are given to parents who can afford to love and care for them.

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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq (Post 2601164)

Vivid is saying they are looking out for her and the children's well being.

I also thought this was an interesting disclaimer "Warning, you may be disgusted by this story."

Did you hear that a competing company is counter offering $1million for her to NOT do porn?

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Originally Posted by Sue (Post 2601721)

I sincerely hope those kids are given to parents who can afford to love and care for them.

Speaking of which, tell me again what's so abhorrent about stable gay couples adopting children into loving homes when compared side by side to this circus side show? I'm talking to you, Arkansas, Michigan, Mississippi and Utah.

/Threadjack

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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq (Post 2601712)

c'mon, doc should be hearing the cash register dinging :D

Hmm 8 siblings for patients, I am not sure the ethical situation for seeing all 8 of them, but if they have cash and not insurance / medicaid I am sure we can find a solution.

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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq (Post 2601164)

Vivid is saying they are looking out for her and the children's well being.

I also thought this was an interesting disclaimer "Warning, you may be disgusted by this story."

She should take the deal - how else is she going to be able to afford to raise them all?

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Originally Posted by twistedmosaic (Post 2601724)

Did you hear that a competing company is counter offering $1million for her to NOT do porn?

Why don't I ever have to make this kind of decision?

The facination with this loser epitomizes the lack of depth regarding any kind of logical thought. Who the fuck cares.

But more interesting is the ultimate hypocrisy put forth through the scorn this idiot has endured. Jon and Kate plus 8 is celebrated. Why? Because there is a father figure present? What about the tv show where the family has 18 kids? Not irresponsible at all? Why? Because they built a stupid fucking house and everyone chipped in? Big deal.

And the media attention from Dr.Phil to the Big 3 networks. Total lack of class and unproffessional sensationalism. Has America sunk so low that we need to be entertained by something so blithely fucking stupid and irrelavent? Are we so fucking abismally shallow that we acknowledge some losers every words so that we can escape our own shitty miserable lives? Makes me wonder why people focus on this nonsense rather than themselves.

Must be all out boredom. Why else would anyone waste a second regarding someone elses life who they will never know.

Denny's has introduced the new "Octo-mom" special in honour of Nadya Suleman and her efforts: You get 8 eggs, no sausage and the guy next to you has to pay your bill!

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Originally Posted by MSD (Post 2601790)

Why don't I ever have to make this kind of decision?

Wha if the decision is this...Would you be ok with 8 gay guys having sex with you for $1 million?

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Originally Posted by JumpinJesus (Post 2598941)

I watch Jon and Kate occasionally on the off chance that we're going to see a tearful Kate trying to figure out how she's going to raise 8 kids on her own after Jon told her to go fuck herself.

Same here, I come from the Joel McHale school of thought, she's slowly sucking the life out of poor Jon, I hope he grows a set and fucks her off for a better model, not a bitch who feels compelled to yell 'HELLO' at him in public all the time and slowly take away his will to live.

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The Duggars creep me the fuck out.

My first reaction to the Duggars as well, I can't watch the show, it's like a little creepy cult they have going on there or something, fuckin freaks me out.

As for the vacations Jon and Kate get, let's not forget Little People, Big World, that fuckin family went on an RV trip from Oregon to California, with some massive RV so little dad could show 'he could handle it', yet almost ran people off the road on the freeway, put little mom and daughter up at some fancy spa while there, then took a vacation to the Bahamas, rented a boat with captain and cook while they were there, then did a stupid huge remodel to their 'farmhouse', which took longer than expected because little dad finally realized he was on TLC and only runs a fuckin pumpkin farm and sells some hotels on little people proofing their rooms, and isn't actually a 'celebrity' like he thinks he is. Then has normal sized twin get busted for being a racist and a homophobe on his myspace page, yet they still talk about how they teach their kids to be tolerant of other cultures, and different people, hope they don't get offended when people call them midgets, they can blame tall twin for that one.

Oh yeah and midget dad gets nabbed for DUI(for a second time) and he says the breathalyzer is biased against little people, now how can that be?

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Originally Posted by ASU2003 (Post 2602007)

Wha if the decision is this...Would you be ok with 8 gay guys having sex with you for $1 million?

Personally I wouldn't even have to think about this for a second, it would be a big NO WAY. But, if two days after the offer, someone else offered me $1 million to not do it, that's the kind of decision that I want, HAH!!

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Originally Posted by ASU2003 (Post 2602007)

Wha if the decision is this...Would you be ok with 8 gay guys having sex with you for $1 million?

You know, in this economy, that doesn't sound as absurd as it should. Is it weird that I just said that, or...?

Vagina: The new Clown car