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little_tippler · 12-27-2008, 06:39 AM

I remember seeing the Woody Allen film, Sleeper, and wondering about that Orgasmatron...well it looks like some doctors are setting about making this sort of "instant pleasure" a reality:

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Originally Posted by The Telegraph UK

'Sex chip' being developed by scientists click to show

Link to Article

On the one hand, I find this could be an interesting invention. It could be useful to many, who have trouble achieving their O whenever they want it, and to people with health problems that make the big O harder to come by. I can also seeing it turn into some kind of masturbatory device!

On the other hand, I can see all sorts of awry problems coming from this too, like it being used against someone's will or it substituting "normal" routes of achieving pleasure, leading to people even forgetting how to achieve it any other way.

It could certainly simplify our lives considerably. But like all simplifications, what would the price be? With the Internet, and TV, we read and learn less and less, I have heard say countless times. I read somewhere the other day, in an interview with a well-known Portuguese author, that the problem with today's generation is that we want for nothing, and are curious of nothing. She said that lack of curiosity is a terrible thing, we have no thirst for knowledge and become more and more apathetic, unappreciative, and less able to cope with the curve balls life throws our way. Well, this is a bit of a stretch with regards to this orgasm machine, but you get what I mean.

If it came around I think I'd try it, if I was able to. If only once. But it may be akin to a plastic surgery of sorts - a quick fix that masks the deeper reasons behind our dissatisfaction. What do you think of this device? Would you try it?

Xerxys · 12-27-2008, 08:19 AM

It would fry my brain, thats for sure.

BadNick · 12-27-2008, 08:22 AM

Unless something happened to me that prevented me from feeling pleasures from sex and eating as I do now, I would have no interest whatsoever in trying this. But for someone who can't and wants to, I can see it might serve a useful purpose.

It seems that it could develop to the point of being able to trigger pleasures from many other things. So, for example, if your sense of smell is not functioning properly, you aren't able to fully enjoy eating or smelling a beautiful flower or another person. Turning on those pleasures could also be beneficial.

Plan9 · 12-27-2008, 08:26 AM

So... this would do away with the female crime of faking orgasms?

...

I'm totally against anything that messes with my brain. Its already damaged enough by the mass media, US Army, and Henry Rollins "Weight" album.

Mankind has this weird habit of taking things solely intended for good and using them for evil.

grumpyolddude · 12-27-2008, 09:07 AM

Too many people are already confused about how they measure up to "normal." The pressure to perform up to porn star standards would drive a lot of folks to this sort of technology. No thanks. (although, maybe for the wife...

... just joking, QW.... or amI

??)

Steering this research toward treating eating disorders would seem to be a more valuable contribution to society. If they could de-stimulate the pleasure from eating in some obese people (yes, I know that not all obesity is strictly due to overeating), or use it to treat anorexia, a much healthier population could result. That doesn't make much of a sensational news story. though.

biznatch · 12-27-2008, 11:50 AM

This French author, Bernard Werber, had a book with something exactly like this.
First they had tested them on rats, who had access to a switch that would send the impulse to the chip, providing them with pleasure. The rats developed larger arms from pressing the switch, and got addicted, eventually having a heart attack (I think) from all the endorphines (is it endorphines we get from sex?).
The mad scientist went to some brain surgeon in Russia to get it implanted in his brain, and trusted the "switch" to a supercomputer. Much like HAL, in 2001: A Space Odyssey, the computer ended up evil and killed him with it. (I think)

Hey, if it can up the sex drive, great. But brain surgery to achieve a higher sex drive is a bit much for most people, I think.

little_tippler · 12-28-2008, 05:40 AM

biznatch, that sounds like an interesting book!

grumpy, that would be of greater use, in a sense, but the thought of taking away someone's pleasure just seems wrong to me. Life is already pretty complicated as it is, and adding pleasure to it seems far more positive to me. How about adding pleasure when we eat healthy things and exercise? I prefer a positive to a negative if possible.

kramus · 12-28-2008, 07:08 AM

I think of the tasp as written by Larry Niven in his Known Space books. People would get their brains wired, plug into the house current and eventually stop eating because they preferred to not interrupt the pleasure. Folks added batteries so you could tasp yourself as you went about your day.
Addiction to the tasp was widespread and difficult to break, but it was a self-correcting problem in that people addicted stopped contributing to the gene pool. Remote control taspers were developed so you could tasp an unsuspecting passerby and make their day. Only problem was people tasped that way often became addicted as well.
Interesting reading. I always recommend Niven.

tcp · 12-28-2008, 08:46 AM

Would this be equivalent to sex though? As in knowing its not for real.
Wasn't there a woman who claimed she had an orgasm 10 times everyday or something? I guess they said she was hypersensitive. She said it was painful at times. She was probably lying about the whole thing.
This control would also more likely be used to suppress the sex drive.

robot_parade · 12-28-2008, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kramus

I think of the tasp as written by Larry Niven in his Known Space books. People would get their brains wired, plug into the house current and eventually stop eating because they preferred to not interrupt the pleasure. Folks added batteries so you could tasp yourself as you went about your day.
Addiction to the tasp was widespread and difficult to break, but it was a self-correcting problem in that people addicted stopped contributing to the gene pool. Remote control taspers were developed so you could tasp an unsuspecting passerby and make their day. Only problem was people tasped that way often became addicted as well.
Interesting reading. I always recommend Niven.

That's the first thing I thought of when I read this. I'm not so sure about the tasp being quite as addictive as Niven thought it would. Behavioral (ie, non-pharmalogical) addiction requires at least a little bit of learned response time.

Also, while the feelings of pleasure might be just as intense as the most intense sex, the other sensations wouldn't be there (unless they were 'called up' in some sort of reverse-kinesthesia...hrm), so I don't think people will be giving up on boinking anytime soon...at least, I hope not....

Vigilante · 12-28-2008, 05:52 PM

Ha, would be funny if a hacker set it off on someone at work.

I will never have a chip for anything. If chips became mandatory I would cut it out and head to a remote island.

bazkitcase5 · 12-28-2008, 07:39 PM

yea, the idea of having brain surgery to implement a chip for pleasure sounds kind of crazy to me...

ASU2003 · 12-29-2008, 12:17 AM

Introduction to Psychology: Readings: Section 2-1: Systematically Observing the Brain

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Pleasure Centers. Several areas within the limbic system, when stimulated electrically, are associated with feelings of reward and pleasure in mammals. In the 1950s, James Olds and Peter Milner discovered the first evidence for what was to become known as “pleasure centers” in the brain (Olds, 1955; Olds, 1958; Olds & Milner, 1954; also see Hebb, 1955 and Thompson, 1999). They had accidentally placed an electrode in a particular area of a rat’s limbic system and noticed that the rat seemed to enjoy electrical stimulation of this area. When they implanted electrodes in this same area in other rats, they found that electrical stimulation served as a reward for the learning of new behaviors. In fact, they allowed rats to press a lever that stimulated this area in their own brains. They found that rats press the lever as much as 2000 times an hour (an average of one lever press every 1-2 seconds). Rats sometimes would continue pressing until they dropped from exhaustion. In 1962, James Olds repeated these experiments with monkeys and obtained similar results (sometimes with lever presses as high as 8000 times per hour — about two presses every second). Other studies have found pleasure centers in cats, dogs, and dolphins.

It sounds like these people won't be too happy.
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'They' will tempt you with infinite pleasure, but they really want to control you.

I think this is the way that computers will go. The brain computer interface will be a huge step and will allow for some interesting developments.

We are Borg.
You will be assimilated.
Resistance is futile.

MSD · 12-31-2008, 07:18 AM

Hook it up to a computer and you could take POV porn to new extremes.

But really, it sounds boring. Orgasm with no physical contact, even if it was just your hand, doesn't feel nearly as good.

hotzot · 01-03-2009, 08:31 PM

I'll wait till I can get one at walgreens.

murp0434 · 01-03-2009, 08:40 PM

basically just like that movie Demolition Man in which they only have sex via VR helmets

Reese · 01-04-2009, 04:09 PM

Maybe it's just me being a lazy motherfucker but I have no problem with computers doing everything for me. I watch a movie like WALL-E and I think oh great that little bastard just came to their spaceship and fucked up everything.

Pleasure is pleasure. If given the choice to live in a VR world like the matrix, I'd fuckin do it. I'm a product of the sci-fi generation. What does it mean to be real? If you have everything you require to live a good life, why does it matter if it's not a physical reality? Living in VR world gets a bad rap from sci-fi stories.

Brain surgery is awfully risky though.. I'll have to wait for the next generation of technology before signing up.

Fremen · 01-04-2009, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by luciferase75

Ha, would be funny if a hacker set it off on someone at work.

I will never have a chip for anything. If chips became mandatory I would cut it out and head to a remote island.

You'd never have a pacemaker if you needed it?
It's my understanding they have chips in them.

mixedmedia · 01-04-2009, 09:16 PM

Sorry for my lack of enthusiasm, but I think this is stupid for anyone (perhaps) outside of the target audience of 'those who cannot experience pleasure from eating or sex.'

Why the fuck, why the fuck would anyone else be interested?

Can I just for now sing the praises of the effort of masturbation? ahhhhh! (that was singing)

When the day comes that people are too lazy to lift a finger (and their imagination) to get their own selves off that's the day I finally give up.

You deserve what you get.

hmmph.

Suave · 01-05-2009, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by little_tippler

I remember seeing the Woody Allen film, Sleeper, and wondering about that Orgasmatron...well it looks like some doctors are setting about making this sort of "instant pleasure" a reality:

On the one hand, I find this could be an interesting invention. It could be useful to many, who have trouble achieving their O whenever they want it, and to people with health problems that make the big O harder to come by. I can also seeing it turn into some kind of masturbatory device!

On the other hand, I can see all sorts of awry problems coming from this too, like it being used against someone's will or it substituting "normal" routes of achieving pleasure, leading to people even forgetting how to achieve it any other way.

It could certainly simplify our lives considerably. But like all simplifications, what would the price be? With the Internet, and TV, we read and learn less and less, I have heard say countless times. I read somewhere the other day, in an interview with a well-known Portuguese author, that the problem with today's generation is that we want for nothing, and are curious of nothing. She said that lack of curiosity is a terrible thing, we have no thirst for knowledge and become more and more apathetic, unappreciative, and less able to cope with the curve balls life throws our way. Well, this is a bit of a stretch with regards to this orgasm machine, but you get what I mean.

If it came around I think I'd try it, if I was able to. If only once. But it may be akin to a plastic surgery of sorts - a quick fix that masks the deeper reasons behind our dissatisfaction. What do you think of this device? Would you try it?

In our generation's defense, that author sounds like a tool. I learn an absolute assload due to the Internet, and I enjoy continuing to do so. How old is this author? Because she sounds like a baby boomer who doesn't understand the way new technology operates very well and has thus declared an intellectual witch hunt.

Merlocke · 01-06-2009, 01:59 AM

Imagine the havoc you could wreck upon the sex offender community. You get convicted of a sex crime, and POOF - insta mind fuck NEUTERED. No more sex drive means so chance for repeat offenses. The world is a safer place once again.

Of course the human race will naturally use it as a biological warfare weapon and somehow concoct a method to enact genocide and racial cleansing - but then again - I don't think the research behind the atomic bomb was created to blow people up in the first place.

Reese · 01-06-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Merlocke

Imagine the havoc you could wreck upon the sex offender community. You get convicted of a sex crime, and POOF - insta mind fuck NEUTERED. No more sex drive means so chance for repeat offenses. The world is a safer place once again.

You don't need brain surgery to castrate someone

little_tippler · 01-06-2009, 11:34 AM

The author you refer to as a tool Suave, is one of the foremost female Portuguese authors, and she's in her 70's. I'm not sure I'd call her a tool. Just someone of a different generation, and I think she has a point.

12-27-2008, 08:26 AM	#4 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	So... this would do away with the female crime of faking orgasms? ... I'm totally against anything that messes with my brain. Its already damaged enough by the mass media, US Army, and Henry Rollins "Weight" album. Mankind has this weird habit of taking things solely intended for good and using them for evil. __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

12-27-2008, 09:07 AM	#5 (permalink)
grumpyolddude Deliberately unfocused Location: Amazon.com and CDBaby	Too many people are already confused about how they measure up to "normal." The pressure to perform up to porn star standards would drive a lot of folks to this sort of technology. No thanks. (although, maybe for the wife...... just joking, QW.... or amI??) Steering this research toward treating eating disorders would seem to be a more valuable contribution to society. If they could de-stimulate the pleasure from eating in some obese people (yes, I know that not all obesity is strictly due to overeating), or use it to treat anorexia, a much healthier population could result. That doesn't make much of a sensational news story. though. __________________ "Regret can be a harder pill to swallow than failure .With failure you at least know you gave it a chance..." David Howard

12-27-2008, 11:50 AM	#6 (permalink)
biznatch Junkie Location: France	This French author, Bernard Werber, had a book with something exactly like this. First they had tested them on rats, who had access to a switch that would send the impulse to the chip, providing them with pleasure. The rats developed larger arms from pressing the switch, and got addicted, eventually having a heart attack (I think) from all the endorphines (is it endorphines we get from sex?). The mad scientist went to some brain surgeon in Russia to get it implanted in his brain, and trusted the "switch" to a supercomputer. Much like HAL, in 2001: A Space Odyssey, the computer ended up evil and killed him with it. (I think) Hey, if it can up the sex drive, great. But brain surgery to achieve a higher sex drive is a bit much for most people, I think. __________________ Check it out: The Open Source/Freeware/Gratis Software Thread

12-28-2008, 05:40 AM	#7 (permalink)
little_tippler Leaning against the -Sun- Super Moderator Location: on the other side	biznatch, that sounds like an interesting book! grumpy, that would be of greater use, in a sense, but the thought of taking away someone's pleasure just seems wrong to me. Life is already pretty complicated as it is, and adding pleasure to it seems far more positive to me. How about adding pleasure when we eat healthy things and exercise? I prefer a positive to a negative if possible. __________________ Whether we write or speak or do but look We are ever unapparent. What we are Cannot be transfused into word or book. Our soul from us is infinitely far. However much we give our thoughts the will To be our soul and gesture it abroad, Our hearts are incommunicable still. In what we show ourselves we are ignored. The abyss from soul to soul cannot be bridged By any skill of thought or trick of seeming. Unto our very selves we are abridged When we would utter to our thought our being. We are our dreams of ourselves, souls by gleams, And each to each other dreams of others' dreams. Fernando Pessoa, 1918

12-28-2008, 07:08 AM	#8 (permalink)
kramus loving the curves Location: my Lady's manor	I think of the tasp as written by Larry Niven in his Known Space books. People would get their brains wired, plug into the house current and eventually stop eating because they preferred to not interrupt the pleasure. Folks added batteries so you could tasp yourself as you went about your day. Addiction to the tasp was widespread and difficult to break, but it was a self-correcting problem in that people addicted stopped contributing to the gene pool. Remote control taspers were developed so you could tasp an unsuspecting passerby and make their day. Only problem was people tasped that way often became addicted as well. Interesting reading. I always recommend Niven. __________________ And now to disengage the clutch of the forebrain ... I'm going with this - if you like artwork visit http://markfineart.ca

12-27-2008, 08:19 AM	#2 (permalink)
Xerxys Junkie Location: My head.	It would fry my brain, thats for sure.

12-27-2008, 08:22 AM	#3 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	Unless something happened to me that prevented me from feeling pleasures from sex and eating as I do now, I would have no interest whatsoever in trying this. But for someone who can't and wants to, I can see it might serve a useful purpose. It seems that it could develop to the point of being able to trigger pleasures from many other things. So, for example, if your sense of smell is not functioning properly, you aren't able to fully enjoy eating or smelling a beautiful flower or another person. Turning on those pleasures could also be beneficial.

12-28-2008, 08:46 AM	#9 (permalink)
tcp Crazy	Would this be equivalent to sex though? As in knowing its not for real. Wasn't there a woman who claimed she had an orgasm 10 times everyday or something? I guess they said she was hypersensitive. She said it was painful at times. She was probably lying about the whole thing. This control would also more likely be used to suppress the sex drive.

12-28-2008, 05:52 PM	#11 (permalink)
Vigilante Broken Arrow Location: US	Ha, would be funny if a hacker set it off on someone at work. I will never have a chip for anything. If chips became mandatory I would cut it out and head to a remote island. __________________ We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle. -Winston Churchill

12-28-2008, 07:39 PM	#12 (permalink)
bazkitcase5 Crazy Location: Tupelo, MS	yea, the idea of having brain surgery to implement a chip for pleasure sounds kind of crazy to me...

12-31-2008, 07:18 AM	#14 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	Hook it up to a computer and you could take POV porn to new extremes. But really, it sounds boring. Orgasm with no physical contact, even if it was just your hand, doesn't feel nearly as good.

01-03-2009, 08:31 PM	#15 (permalink)
hotzot We're having potato pancakes! Location: stalag 13	I'll wait till I can get one at walgreens. __________________ The Bully Boys are here!

01-03-2009, 08:40 PM	#16 (permalink)
murp0434 Crazy Location: East Texas	basically just like that movie Demolition Man in which they only have sex via VR helmets __________________ These are the good old days. How did I become upright?

01-04-2009, 04:09 PM	#17 (permalink)
Reese Delicious	Maybe it's just me being a lazy motherfucker but I have no problem with computers doing everything for me. I watch a movie like WALL-E and I think oh great that little bastard just came to their spaceship and fucked up everything. Pleasure is pleasure. If given the choice to live in a VR world like the matrix, I'd fuckin do it. I'm a product of the sci-fi generation. What does it mean to be real? If you have everything you require to live a good life, why does it matter if it's not a physical reality? Living in VR world gets a bad rap from sci-fi stories. Brain surgery is awfully risky though.. I'll have to wait for the next generation of technology before signing up. __________________ “It is better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick” - Dave Barry

01-04-2009, 09:16 PM	#19 (permalink)
mixedmedia has all her shots. Location: Florida	Sorry for my lack of enthusiasm, but I think this is stupid for anyone (perhaps) outside of the target audience of 'those who cannot experience pleasure from eating or sex.' Why the fuck, why the fuck would anyone else be interested? Can I just for now sing the praises of the effort of masturbation? ahhhhh! (that was singing) When the day comes that people are too lazy to lift a finger (and their imagination) to get their own selves off that's the day I finally give up. You deserve what you get. hmmph. __________________ Most people go through life dreading they'll have a traumatic experience. Freaks were born with their trauma. They've already passed their test in life. They're aristocrats. - Diane Arbus PESSIMISM, n. A philosophy forced upon the convictions of the observer by the disheartening prevalence of the optimist with his scarecrow hope and his unsightly smile. - Ambrose Bierce Last edited by mixedmedia; 01-04-2009 at 09:17 PM.. Reason: added a hmmph.

01-06-2009, 01:59 AM	#21 (permalink)
Merlocke Location: Canada	Imagine the havoc you could wreck upon the sex offender community. You get convicted of a sex crime, and POOF - insta mind fuck NEUTERED. No more sex drive means so chance for repeat offenses. The world is a safer place once again. Of course the human race will naturally use it as a biological warfare weapon and somehow concoct a method to enact genocide and racial cleansing - but then again - I don't think the research behind the atomic bomb was created to blow people up in the first place. __________________ -=[ Merlocke ]=-

01-06-2009, 11:34 AM	#23 (permalink)
little_tippler Leaning against the -Sun- Super Moderator Location: on the other side	The author you refer to as a tool Suave, is one of the foremost female Portuguese authors, and she's in her 70's. I'm not sure I'd call her a tool. Just someone of a different generation, and I think she has a point. __________________ Whether we write or speak or do but look We are ever unapparent. What we are Cannot be transfused into word or book. Our soul from us is infinitely far. However much we give our thoughts the will To be our soul and gesture it abroad, Our hearts are incommunicable still. In what we show ourselves we are ignored. The abyss from soul to soul cannot be bridged By any skill of thought or trick of seeming. Unto our very selves we are abridged When we would utter to our thought our being. We are our dreams of ourselves, souls by gleams, And each to each other dreams of others' dreams. Fernando Pessoa, 1918 Last edited by little_tippler; 01-06-2009 at 11:36 AM..