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Old 11-24-2008, 08:09 AM   #1 (permalink)
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School Aide's Porn Past Angers Parents
School Aide's Porn Past Angers Parents
District Lawyers Say There Are No Grounds to Fire the School Aide
By DEAN SCHABNER
Nov. 23, 2008—

An aide at a New Jersey elementary school and a local YMCA is described by one parent as "an excellent role model," but others say someone who played the roles the woman has shouldn't be working with young children.

It turns out that Louisa Tuck, a cafeteria and playground aide at D'Ippolito Elementary School in Vineland, N.J., used to be an adult film star who went by the name of Crystal Gunns.

She was hired as a part-time aide in June, but school officials learned about her past only recently.

When district officials found out, according to ABC News Philadelphia affiliate WPVI-TV, they talked to their lawyers about what they could do but they were told they didn't have any cause to fire her.

A district lawyer reportedly said that there was nothing illegal about Tuck's Web site, photo spreads and movies.

"It's a constitutional privilege of free expression. She's employed by the school district, but that doesn't take away her constitutional rights," Frank DiDomenico, an associate solicitor for the school board, told The Daily Journal, the Vineland newspaper.

He told the newspaper that during the interview process, the district wouldn't have had any way to learn about Tuck's work in the adult entertainment industry.

"There's no way the board could delve into someone's private life," he told the newspaper.

Tuck reportedly said she hasn't worked in the adult entertainment indusrtry in five years and what she did in the past shouldn't be held against her. She even compared herself to president-elect Barack Obama, who in his memoir "The Audacity of Hope" talked about how he experimented with drugs in his youth.

"If this is about morality, our president-elect has admitted to doing crack, and he's our president. Does that make him a bad person?" Tuck told The Daily Journal. "Bill Clinton smoked pot. Does that make him a bad person?"

But some parents reportedly don't agree.

"I understand it's her personal life, but I don't feel someone with that background should be working with young children at all," preschool teacher Maria Martin, who has children at the school, told WPVI-TV.

Other parents were more understanding, though.

"It's in her past. We all do things in our past. And as long as she's not interfering with any kids, I don't see any problem with it," Raul Cordova, who has two children at the school, told WPVI-TV.

A woman who knows Tuck through her work at the YMCA, where she reportedly supervises several youth programs, told The Daily Journal she is "an excellent role model with good values."

Shawn Rivers told The Daily Journal she "would trust her with my children at any time.

"She has nothing but love and compassion with all kids," Rivers told the newspaper. "There's never been a problem with her reputation or conduct, and I just want everyone to know that."
It isn't like she killed or hurt anyone.

I've always believed that it is important to keep oneself in check because one never knows what future holds. It isn't about whether or not one is able to do something, but it's about moral judgements from others. I'd rather not have those moral judgements. It's these kinds of reasons why I've always kept private and a dual role in my indiscretions.

Parents, do you have any opinions on this matter?
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Old 11-24-2008, 08:19 AM   #2 (permalink)
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That's what happens when parents find out that the people that take care of their kids are real humans. It's not like she's going to shove a kid up her twat to get off, jeez. Likewise, some parents forget everything when their kids get involved. The forget that they once smoked weed, that they used to fuck like bunnies on the roof and everywhere else they could think of, that they paid for sex once or twice, or that they flashed a cop after a wild party with a beer bong, and a family happened to be in the line of sight - with kids in tow.

If she was doing heavy drugs, hey I can see an issue. I don't really care even if they smoke a little green on the weekends or something. But to be upset because she was in a porn? Please.
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Old 11-24-2008, 10:36 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I know a woman who worked in a strip bar because she couldnt get a job elsewhere in the town because she was "overqualified," so the gas station wouldnt take her. She didnt strip, she was a waitress, but if you work in a strip club, you are guilty. She eventually got a government job, requireing a security clearance, and one day, one of the higher up guys was walking down the hall, saw her and freaked out. He had purchased her underwear for $80 one night (it was almost closing, he offered, she figured why the hell not?). Niether of them said anything about it. Small world.

Ok, kids werenīt involved, but her past did come up, even if it didnīt hurt her. Much like luciferase said, people tend to forget they were once human, and people in positions of responibility are human. It shouldnt matter what someone did in thier past if thier past didnt include some kind of evil doings and harming others.

If some ex porn star was a teacher and a damn good one, and wasnīt showing the kids porn or any of that, then her past is her past, and shoulndt be taken into account.
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Old 11-24-2008, 10:47 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I don't think it should matter even if she was still doing porn. What does that have to do with her ability to work with children. She doesn't bring that into this job. The kids would probably never have known, except for now they do that it has been drug out.
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Old 11-24-2008, 10:53 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I used to work in porn. I own this site. I wonder if it hinders my ability to find a new job.
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Old 11-24-2008, 11:29 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I used to work in porn. I own this site. I wonder if it hinders my ability to find a new job.
Yes, you're screwed you'll never find a decent job. Give it up now and start selling crack on the corner.
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Old 11-24-2008, 11:56 AM   #7 (permalink)
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If he were a male pornstar it would be a non-issue. This is just the visceral reaction that some people have when they feel that women are not remaining pure for marriage. There's nothing for the boys; no purity balls and promise rings.. only "Integrity Balls" - teaching young boys that they shouldn't be 'soiling' young women because you shouldn't do that to another man's potential wife.

It's a huge extension of the Virgin/Slut dichotomy. Women are either pure virgins with no interest in sex, or they're sluts wantonly spreading their sex all over this country founded on family values. There's no middle ground where women can actually want and enjoy sex before marriage... oh heavens no!

The same people riled by an aide who used to be a porn star are probably engaging in all manner of impure activities with their spouses.. from doggy style to anal sex, from BDSM to golden showers. But that's A-OK because they're married, don'tcha see? If they turned their warped scale of 'purity' against the same things that they engage in their marriage, they'd be less qualified than her to teach their own children.
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Old 11-24-2008, 12:02 PM   #8 (permalink)
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A lot of the teachers I used to work with not only knew about my former hobby, they'd seen my site. I think if the principal had seen it, I'd still be working there.
What people do in their personal lives is...well, personal. As long as it is nothing involving harm to kids, they should fuhgeddaboudit and worry about their OWN lives for a change.

This is akin to someone like me taking offense because a teacher to my kids is a Christian or something.
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Old 11-24-2008, 01:20 PM   #9 (permalink)
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If he were a male pornstar it would be a non-issue.
I disagree, especially if he did gay porn. I see this as a symptom of the child-rapist-lurking-around-every-corner mentality that is so prevalent today. Anything sexual that's even slightly outside of the mainstream becomes a red flag.
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Old 11-24-2008, 01:58 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Old 11-24-2008, 02:28 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 11-24-2008, 03:14 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Yes, you're screwed you'll never find a decent job. Give it up now and start selling crack on the corner.
Isn't the lunchlady essentially in trouble for selling crack?

Spoiler: Well... pictures of hers anyway
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Old 11-24-2008, 03:21 PM   #15 (permalink)
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/me thinks those gunns ain't made out of crystal...
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Old 11-24-2008, 03:55 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I have no problem with this sort of thing. I like to think that I can judge people on who they are.

I think some of the parents with "concerns" need to stop projecting their issues onto someone else.
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Old 11-24-2008, 11:07 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I had to account for everything I did for the previous 7 years. So even though my thoughts are immoral, I live the lifestyle of one of those moral majority people...

I think you are going to see this happen a lot more often in the future.
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Old 11-25-2008, 03:20 AM   #18 (permalink)
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This dirt-digging, media-obsessed world is insanely hypocritical.

Who cares what someone's done in their past!? The moral right needs to let go.
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This dirt-digging, media-obsessed world is insanely hypocritical.

Who cares what someone's done in their past!? The moral right needs to let go.
As far as I'm concerned the the "moral right" is neither moral nor right.
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Old 11-25-2008, 03:37 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Point taken. Consider that to be amended to the "self-proclaimed moral right".
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Old 11-25-2008, 04:18 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I had to account for everything I did for the previous 7 years. So even though my thoughts are immoral, I live the lifestyle of one of those moral majority people...
Yup, my background went back ten years. It's one of those deals where I'm glad I had enough foresight to keep my private life private. At work, we constantly hear stories about stupid interns (trainees) who put their shit up on MySpace or Facebook and wonder why everybody laughs at them.

Good thing she wasn't aiming for a Fed job, but I say the parents should shut up about her. Let her past be her past.
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Old 11-25-2008, 05:41 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I going to go out on a limb here and take the opposite stance. Because, I believe your past does matter when it comes to some jobs, such as security or police work, or dealing with huge amounts of cash, or working with children.

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That's what happens when parents find out that the people that take care of their kids are real humans.
The vast majority of "real" humans are not professionally involved with porn nor ever have been.

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I know a woman who worked in a strip bar because she couldnt get a job elsewhere in the town because she was "overqualified," so the gas station wouldnt take her. She didnt strip, she was a waitress, but if you work in a strip club, you are guilty. She eventually got a government job, requireing a security clearance, and one day, one of the higher up guys was walking down the hall, saw her and freaked out. He had purchased her underwear for $80 one night (it was almost closing, he offered, she figured why the hell not?). Niether of them said anything about it.
Well, even if this higher up guy thought it was deviant behavior, a woman selling her used underwear to a total stranger, he couldn't very well rat this woman out, because he was the buyer.

BTW: I suspect this woman was not one of the strippers in that bar because she didn't have the qualifications for it, and not because of any scruples she might've had.
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If he were a male pornstar it would be a non-issue.
What? If the school worker had been a man, and he were a male pornstar, it probably would've been an even greater issue.

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This is just the visceral reaction that some people have when they feel that women are not remaining pure for marriage. There's nothing for the boys; no purity balls and promise rings.. only "Integrity Balls" - teaching young boys that they shouldn't be 'soiling' young women because you shouldn't do that to another man's potential wife.

It's a huge extension of the Virgin/Slut dichotomy. Women are either pure virgins with no interest in sex, or they're sluts wantonly spreading their sex all over this country founded on family values. There's no middle ground where women can actually want and enjoy sex before marriage... oh heavens no!


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The same people riled by an aide who used to be a porn star are probably engaging in all manner of impure activities with their spouses.. from doggy style to anal sex, from BDSM to golden showers. But that's A-OK because they're married, don'tcha see? If they turned their warped scale of 'purity' against the same things that they engage in their marriage, they'd be less qualified than her to teach their own children.
You sure are making a lot of uninformed and perhaps even naive assumptions, here.
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I used to work in porn. I own this site. I wonder if it hinders my ability to find a new job.
Depends on what type of job you're applying for. But surely you already know that.
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As far as I'm concerned the the "moral right" is neither moral nor right.
They might not be moral or right, but they're certainly a force to be reckoned with. They always have been, in this country, and they probably always will be.

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