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ARTelevision · 06-23-2003, 10:07 AM

Shokan,
Essentially culture everywhere operates by imposing mechanisms of control.
Repression of natural sexuality is perhaps the first repression imposed by human cultures.
Why? Because cultures ensure, first of all, that their constituents surrender control to the myths, taboos, hierarchies set in place in order to effectively control human populations for purposes of cementing the power structures within the behavioral bounds required by the dominant culture, it's leadership, pecking-order, myths and taboos.

Culture is about controlling people.

If you re-think your statement, you'll see this situation is implicit within it. Same statement, different assumptions. The ones I offer are anthropological axioms.

gibber71 · 06-23-2003, 11:47 AM

My previous post was in jest and now seeing how people are so accepting of this camp, it mystifies me in a sense.One point that I think is important is that it was stated that these kid's grew up in this atmosphere and experienced it with their parents. Fair enough.

But I can't see for the life of me how teenagers,who are exploding with hormones,have the comprehensive maturity to see the difference between a natural state,sexuality and sex.

These kid's are exposed to sex on television,movies,magazines,the internet etc and have become culturally brainwashed by it to the point where sex is seen as a natural progression in teenager's lives.( Beverly Hill's 90210 or Dawson's Creek ring a bell?) To think that it is impossible that one of these kids isn't going to get aroused or at least have sexual thoughts to any extent, is living in a fantasy based world.

I'm no shrink,but what happens when some kid's of the same age group are more physically mature than others? Will this be the beginning of a sexual inferiority complex for those who may feel inadequate? Have somehow the parents prepared them for their short comings? Will kid's tease other kid's? Afterall, these are just kid's and are no different adolescently speaking,clothed or not.

ARTelevision · 06-23-2003, 02:55 PM

the kids I know who are members of nudist/naturist families are very aware from having been part of nudism/naturism typically for their whole lives, that they have different views on sexuality than their classmates. They are mature for their years - whereas children raised in the culture at large remain immature through adulthood on issues of sexuality, their bodies, and their "hormones".

gibber71 · 06-23-2003, 03:37 PM

Well since I've never known anyone with kid's or not that experience that type of atmosphere or lifestyle, I'll take your word for it.

It would be interesting to observe this,say on videotape,to see exactly these kid's and young adults co-habiting in their environment in the manner you've described. Certainly not in a sexual voyeuristic way,but rather from a social and epistemoligical sense.

redravin40 · 06-23-2003, 03:39 PM

I grew up going to sauna twice a week with the neighbors.
It was like a huge potluck with no clothes.
As I got older there were times when I got an erection but a few minutes in a sauna cures that real quick.
I also learned that bodies came in all shapes and sizes.
If there had been any kind of abuse the other parents would have tied the person up and dropped them in the lake.
I think this is a good idea.
Kids who go through something like this will be a lot more confidant.

ARTelevision · 06-23-2003, 03:44 PM

Yes. At first, of course, we had the same concerns as have been expressed here. Not only did we discuss things with their parents, who are our friends, we did bring it up casually with the kids and they were like, "Other kids don't understand and so we don't waste our time talking about it much at all with them. But our good friends know we're nudists and they think it's cool".

susartele · 06-25-2003, 05:37 PM

pedophiles are just everywhere......all these years the Catholics thought they were safe from them......heh!
Doing the nudist thing turns your head around about the cultural brainwashing you have been subject to.
One of the more interesting moments was going to a uni-sex bathroom for *everything.*
That was a hurdle to overcome but once there it was just not a problem.
Intimacy in naturist camps is still kept to private places. Some camps have more rules than other.

viejo gringo · 06-25-2003, 06:17 PM

The strangest camp ground I was ever in was along the
Indiana, Illinois border--just south of Chicago....it was
a nudist camp ground. I went there at the request of a
good friend to pull his camper home, after his van broke
down....he confided that al of his kids and grand kids met
there every weekend.....was I in for a surprise when we
walked into his friends home there, and they were all
setting around nude.....the little 8 year old girl was on
the pot, the dad and son were watching TV, and the most
beautiful blond I have ever seen was in the kitchen
making breakfast...an they were all nude.

At this time in my life I was constantly horny, but nothing
happened in all the time we sat and had breakfast---it was
just natural...(I had my cloths on).

Of coarse the strangest nudist camp I have ever heard of
is "the Sand Piper" at Edeinberg Texas---for seniors-------
Man can you imagine the sags and wrinkels---uuuugggg

dmay · 06-25-2003, 09:46 PM

Times are a changing.When I was that age I did not want to be seen nude in the gym shower room.

Dr. Smooth · 06-25-2003, 09:59 PM

shit man sign me up!

oscar0308 · 06-26-2003, 06:53 AM

very interesting topic. i can see ARTelevision's points and although i have neer been a nudist nor will i ever be one, i find nothing wrong with it and actually agree that it will lead to more mature and accepting adults. i also could see the dilemma with being a teen and getting those surprise erections, i just didnt realize that it wasnt a big deal. i would have thought that you'd be shunned.

one more comment:

Quote:

"This is actually a camp-type camp," he said. "All the meals are inclusive, the camp is totally structured with arts and crafts for the younger ones, with swimming lessons and firefighting lessons."

fire fighting??? in the nude???? sounds too dangerous to me.

TwistedFate · 06-26-2003, 11:28 AM

Okay, this campground is about 1 hour from where I live and I know a few people who go there on a regular basis. I don't see a problem with the teen camp, after all these kids were raised around nudism it's not a big deal to them, raging hormones or not. There is probably just as much sex going on at church camps every year. I know I've had my share of church camp hook ups, many of which included sex. Same thing for the young counselor/older camper it won't happen any more often than usual just because they are nude.

jaker · 06-29-2003, 04:04 PM

i can't seem to find the contact information for this place.

KWSN · 07-03-2003, 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by eyeseepeedude
why weren't these around when I was a teen?

I'm thinking the same thing right now.

As long as the organizers weren't sickos, I'd have loved to do this.

Sparhawk · 07-03-2003, 05:58 AM

I didn't even want to look at myself naked when I was a younger teen, much less have others look at me naked. uugghhh...

macmanmike6100 · 07-03-2003, 10:15 AM

First of all, I think that this a great thing for nudist families, because it gives those parents a chance to say to their kids that nudity can be a very normal thing. Secondly, I very much agree that society in the States is much too uptight about nudity. It most certainly does not have to equal sex, and this camp makes that clear.

I'm sure that a lot of kids, too, find it more comfortable to see the variety of body types that are out there, instead of just what the media says is attractive. Through a camp like this, these kids must certainly feel more comfortable with their bodies than kids who do not.

Fire · 07-31-2003, 01:56 AM

I recently did a bladesmithing demo at a pagan event- many of the women were topless- not full nudity, but quite unusual for one not used to it- after the first day you kind of got used to it, but it could still be distracting- and I spent the weekend working with a forge and metal at about 1500 degrees.

^dude · 07-31-2003, 08:15 AM

must...go...there....now

baaa · 07-31-2003, 12:35 PM

nudist. i have a boner

jackassidy · 07-31-2003, 01:07 PM

At first galnce I was thinking nudist camp for teens!! Hot 18 TEEN yr old blonde chicks running around, swimming, volleyball , NUDE!!. Then reality sunk in and the whole idea of all those little children at a nudist camp just weirded me out. Being american I am much more aware of the whole nude thing, so I have a hard time accepting this as just fun. I'm to synical about life and think this is somehow fulfilling someones sick perversion.

angela146 · 07-31-2003, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sngx1275
ok (trying to be as mature as I can here), does intimate relations mean as much to nudists as it does to an average person? I mean if I saw my gf naked all the time I don't know if it would excite me as much as when I see her naked now.

I'm not a nudist but I can answer that one.

My husband and I, when we were first married, spent a lot of time naked when we were alone together. We found that being naked was "ordinary" after a while. We didn't get turned on seeing each other naked.

So, we decided to wear clothes most of the time and get naked primarily as part of arousing each other. It works. I still walk around the house naked occasionally but, and here's the whole point,...

being naked all the time takes all the fun out of being naked.

jibs · 07-31-2003, 11:01 PM

Damn.. nudist camp for teens. I'd never be able to leave my bed.. hot teenaged ass! fapfap

s0j · 07-31-2003, 11:38 PM

Oh yeah...I'd totaly send my kids there.

acpower · 08-01-2003, 04:20 PM

that's sickening

water_boy1999 · 08-01-2003, 04:20 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ARTelevision
[B]Shokan,
Essentially culture everywhere operates by imposing mechanisms of control.

Culture is about controlling people.

Art, may I recommend some reading you might enjoy? It is called "In The Absense Of The Sacred" by Jerry Mander. It covers quite a bit of ground in regards to technology and how society is bound by it's imposing mechanism of control.

water_boy1999 · 08-01-2003, 04:27 PM

I understand how this camp environment can function with naked youths of both sexes being exposed to one another. I think it is probably a very healthy way for them to be raised as well. This exposure probably makes these teens feel more comfortable with themselves because they were'nt raised with the same stimulus that nudity at that early of an age is taboo. Regardless of body type, race, color, deformity, handicap, size, etc....I am willing to bet that these teens have much higher senses of self-esteem than those people who disagree with their lifestyle.

For myself, I was raised in a clothed environment, and I would be sporting wood 24/7 if I was at that camp.

06-23-2003, 10:07 AM	#41 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	Shokan, Essentially culture everywhere operates by imposing mechanisms of control. Repression of natural sexuality is perhaps the first repression imposed by human cultures. Why? Because cultures ensure, first of all, that their constituents surrender control to the myths, taboos, hierarchies set in place in order to effectively control human populations for purposes of cementing the power structures within the behavioral bounds required by the dominant culture, it's leadership, pecking-order, myths and taboos. Culture is about controlling people. If you re-think your statement, you'll see this situation is implicit within it. Same statement, different assumptions. The ones I offer are anthropological axioms. __________________ create evolution

06-23-2003, 02:55 PM	#43 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	the kids I know who are members of nudist/naturist families are very aware from having been part of nudism/naturism typically for their whole lives, that they have different views on sexuality than their classmates. They are mature for their years - whereas children raised in the culture at large remain immature through adulthood on issues of sexuality, their bodies, and their "hormones". __________________ create evolution

06-23-2003, 03:44 PM	#46 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	Yes. At first, of course, we had the same concerns as have been expressed here. Not only did we discuss things with their parents, who are our friends, we did bring it up casually with the kids and they were like, "Other kids don't understand and so we don't waste our time talking about it much at all with them. But our good friends know we're nudists and they think it's cool". __________________ create evolution

06-25-2003, 05:37 PM	#47 (permalink)
susartele Tilted Location: northeast	pedophiles are just everywhere......all these years the Catholics thought they were safe from them......heh! Doing the nudist thing turns your head around about the cultural brainwashing you have been subject to. One of the more interesting moments was going to a uni-sex bathroom for everything. That was a hurdle to overcome but once there it was just not a problem. Intimacy in naturist camps is still kept to private places. Some camps have more rules than other. __________________ www.artelevision.com

06-26-2003, 11:28 AM	#52 (permalink)
TwistedFate Crazy	Okay, this campground is about 1 hour from where I live and I know a few people who go there on a regular basis. I don't see a problem with the teen camp, after all these kids were raised around nudism it's not a big deal to them, raging hormones or not. There is probably just as much sex going on at church camps every year. I know I've had my share of church camp hook ups, many of which included sex. Same thing for the young counselor/older camper it won't happen any more often than usual just because they are nude. __________________ If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

06-23-2003, 11:47 AM	#42 (permalink)
gibber71 Loser	My previous post was in jest and now seeing how people are so accepting of this camp, it mystifies me in a sense.One point that I think is important is that it was stated that these kid's grew up in this atmosphere and experienced it with their parents. Fair enough. But I can't see for the life of me how teenagers,who are exploding with hormones,have the comprehensive maturity to see the difference between a natural state,sexuality and sex. These kid's are exposed to sex on television,movies,magazines,the internet etc and have become culturally brainwashed by it to the point where sex is seen as a natural progression in teenager's lives.( Beverly Hill's 90210 or Dawson's Creek ring a bell?) To think that it is impossible that one of these kids isn't going to get aroused or at least have sexual thoughts to any extent, is living in a fantasy based world. I'm no shrink,but what happens when some kid's of the same age group are more physically mature than others? Will this be the beginning of a sexual inferiority complex for those who may feel inadequate? Have somehow the parents prepared them for their short comings? Will kid's tease other kid's? Afterall, these are just kid's and are no different adolescently speaking,clothed or not.

06-23-2003, 03:37 PM	#44 (permalink)
gibber71 Loser	Well since I've never known anyone with kid's or not that experience that type of atmosphere or lifestyle, I'll take your word for it. It would be interesting to observe this,say on videotape,to see exactly these kid's and young adults co-habiting in their environment in the manner you've described. Certainly not in a sexual voyeuristic way,but rather from a social and epistemoligical sense.

06-23-2003, 03:39 PM	#45 (permalink)
redravin40 Loser Location: With Jadzia	I grew up going to sauna twice a week with the neighbors. It was like a huge potluck with no clothes. As I got older there were times when I got an erection but a few minutes in a sauna cures that real quick. I also learned that bodies came in all shapes and sizes. If there had been any kind of abuse the other parents would have tied the person up and dropped them in the lake. I think this is a good idea. Kids who go through something like this will be a lot more confidant.

06-25-2003, 06:17 PM	#48 (permalink)
viejo gringo Registered User Location: Deep South Texas	The strangest camp ground I was ever in was along the Indiana, Illinois border--just south of Chicago....it was a nudist camp ground. I went there at the request of a good friend to pull his camper home, after his van broke down....he confided that al of his kids and grand kids met there every weekend.....was I in for a surprise when we walked into his friends home there, and they were all setting around nude.....the little 8 year old girl was on the pot, the dad and son were watching TV, and the most beautiful blond I have ever seen was in the kitchen making breakfast...an they were all nude. At this time in my life I was constantly horny, but nothing happened in all the time we sat and had breakfast---it was just natural...(I had my cloths on). Of coarse the strangest nudist camp I have ever heard of is "the Sand Piper" at Edeinberg Texas---for seniors------- Man can you imagine the sags and wrinkels---uuuugggg

06-25-2003, 09:46 PM	#49 (permalink)
dmay Tilted Location: west virginia	Times are a changing.When I was that age I did not want to be seen nude in the gym shower room.

06-25-2003, 09:59 PM	#50 (permalink)
Dr. Smooth Upright	shit man sign me up!

06-29-2003, 04:04 PM	#53 (permalink)
jaker Crazy	i can't seem to find the contact information for this place.

07-03-2003, 05:58 AM	#55 (permalink)
Sparhawk Dubya Location: VA	I didn't even want to look at myself naked when I was a younger teen, much less have others look at me naked. uugghhh... __________________ "In Iraq, no doubt about it, it's tough. It's hard work. It's incredibly hard. It's - and it's hard work. I understand how hard it is. I get the casualty reports every day. I see on the TV screens how hard it is. But it's necessary work. We're making progress. It is hard work."

07-03-2003, 10:15 AM	#56 (permalink)
macmanmike6100 High Honorary Junkie Location: Tri-state.	First of all, I think that this a great thing for nudist families, because it gives those parents a chance to say to their kids that nudity can be a very normal thing. Secondly, I very much agree that society in the States is much too uptight about nudity. It most certainly does not have to equal sex, and this camp makes that clear. I'm sure that a lot of kids, too, find it more comfortable to see the variety of body types that are out there, instead of just what the media says is attractive. Through a camp like this, these kids must certainly feel more comfortable with their bodies than kids who do not.

07-31-2003, 01:56 AM	#57 (permalink)
Fire Warrior Smith Location: missouri	I recently did a bladesmithing demo at a pagan event- many of the women were topless- not full nudity, but quite unusual for one not used to it- after the first day you kind of got used to it, but it could still be distracting- and I spent the weekend working with a forge and metal at about 1500 degrees. __________________ Thought the harder, Heart the bolder, Mood the more as our might lessens

07-31-2003, 08:15 AM	#58 (permalink)
^dude Insane	must...go...there....now

08-01-2003, 04:20 PM	#64 (permalink)
acpower Crazy	that's sickening

07-31-2003, 12:35 PM	#59 (permalink)
baaa Banned Location: ville	nudist. i have a boner

07-31-2003, 01:07 PM	#60 (permalink)
jackassidy Tilted	At first galnce I was thinking nudist camp for teens!! Hot 18 TEEN yr old blonde chicks running around, swimming, volleyball , NUDE!!. Then reality sunk in and the whole idea of all those little children at a nudist camp just weirded me out. Being american I am much more aware of the whole nude thing, so I have a hard time accepting this as just fun. I'm to synical about life and think this is somehow fulfilling someones sick perversion.

07-31-2003, 11:01 PM	#62 (permalink)
jibs Tilted	Damn.. nudist camp for teens. I'd never be able to leave my bed.. hot teenaged ass! fapfap

07-31-2003, 11:38 PM	#63 (permalink)
s0j Upright	Oh yeah...I'd totaly send my kids there.

08-01-2003, 04:20 PM	#65 (permalink)
water_boy1999 Fly em straight! Location: Above and Beyond	[QUOTE]Originally posted by ARTelevision [B]Shokan, Essentially culture everywhere operates by imposing mechanisms of control. Culture is about controlling people. Art, may I recommend some reading you might enjoy? It is called "In The Absense Of The Sacred" by Jerry Mander. It covers quite a bit of ground in regards to technology and how society is bound by it's imposing mechanism of control.

08-01-2003, 04:27 PM	#66 (permalink)
water_boy1999 Fly em straight! Location: Above and Beyond	I understand how this camp environment can function with naked youths of both sexes being exposed to one another. I think it is probably a very healthy way for them to be raised as well. This exposure probably makes these teens feel more comfortable with themselves because they were'nt raised with the same stimulus that nudity at that early of an age is taboo. Regardless of body type, race, color, deformity, handicap, size, etc....I am willing to bet that these teens have much higher senses of self-esteem than those people who disagree with their lifestyle. For myself, I was raised in a clothed environment, and I would be sporting wood 24/7 if I was at that camp. __________________ Doh!!!! -Homer Simpson