Three boys, 8 and 9, charged with raping 11-year-old girl
 

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/11/19...ape/index.html

What a bizarre story. One father of the boys says there was no force involved and that it was consensual.

I don't know the details about this case: i.e., if the boys really forced the girl or not. But I do believe that sex between children can be consensual: obviously children have been doing this for millennia, no matter how awkward it may be to adults. I don't know if the Police Chief is a bit dim, or if he is stuck between a rock and a hard place and must follow the letter of the law here (basically his comments are a bit vague). And as for the kids supposedly threatening the girl with a rock... I don't know of any children who would have actually felt threatened by that. So, what do you all think?

8 & 9 years old??? Hell they haven't even hit puberty yet, have they??? Was this an actual rape or just a fondling session??? Uh, I guess I just don't get it.....perhaps it was just a violence/domination thing, as all rapes are, without the actual sex act??? I suppose we'll never know the intimate details but when I was 8 & 9 a little "show me yours & I'll show you mine" was as far as it ever went.........

Here is another article (more detailed) on the incident:
http://www.11alive.com/news/article_...storyid=106686

I have spoken to enough people in private and am old enough to realize that there are many people who, when they were children, engaged in sexual activity. I myself didn't do anything with other children, but I'm not surprised that others did. It's just not spoken about due to the uncomfortable subject matter.

I saw this quote in the paper this morning...
and makes me wonder if they have reason to believe that the girl is making it up for some reason...

When I was 8 I seriously had little to no idea how sex worked. Much less a sex drive.......

Weird story.

Only 4 people really know what happened in that wooded area. And we will never know for sure. We know nothing of the environment, or the upbringing, of any of the "children" involved. All we can do is speculate.

So...8=...what, 3rd grade? 9= 4th grade? I was still playing with Hot Wheels and G.I. Joe. She's in the 6th grade? She should still be playing Barbie's and Polly Pockets. No matter what really happened...this is just flat fucked up.

Maleficient: they're looking into the slumber party because it would suggest that she didn't feel threatened in the first place and perhaps she told a different story. Though personally, I don't think that just because a girl tells her friends and not her parents first means that what happened wasn't traumatic for her. Children don't always tell their parents things like that. No reason to believe she made it up.

Children engaging in this kind of behavior has nothing to do with sex drives. It is just experimentation. Sorry, I don't make cute one-liners about this kind of thing.

Whatever the situation is here, it does not belong in the public domain.

Good observation.

I've been thinking about this thread all day, and I can't think of anything that really needs to be said at this point. If it was rape, it shouldn't be tried in the court of public attention. If it wasn't rape, it shouldn't be tried in the court of public attention.

There's a reason that juvenille records aren't public record.

My only comment is that if it is determined that nothing was forced then the girl should also be charged. Consent works both ways. If she cannot consent to doing them they cannot consent to doing her. Of course this would never happen because girls are delicate flowers and boys just want to fuck.

It's a sick world we live in.


And I'm not really helping. The first thing that popped into my head is that this will end up being a stripper or hooker. Both the boys will grow up to continually disrespecting women. One day one of the boys will be in a drunken stooper at some nasty strip club and while shoving a dollar bill into the strippers butt crack he's gonna look up and with a confused look on his face he's gonna say, "Didn't I rape you when I was 9?"

Then he's gonna fallow her home and beat her to death with one of her giant clear plastic high-heeled shoes.




It's a part of the American Dream now.

I don't watch enough TV, but has CSI already covered this possible scenario? Or is that next weeks episode? Either way, I'm sure there'll be plenty of perfect fingerprints and semen all over the place to solve the case.

Too bad this is reality. I'm not sure I even knew what to do with my penis aside from piss on trees and write my name in the snow when I was 8 or 9.

These boys can't even produce sperm to impregnate someone.

Yes, kids touch each other in sexual ways far before they are able to conceive of them being sexual--it's called "playing doctor"--but they rarely go this far. Usually when a child perpetrates this level of sexual contact with another child it's because they've seen the behavior somewhere else--frequently through abuse. That's what worries me here. There is no way 8-9 year old boys really know what the mechanics of sex are unless someone has shown them, or given them access to materials they shouldn't have access to. Somewhere in this situation there is a teenager or adult who is ultimately responsible. Little boys don't rape girls without somehow getting the idea into their heads, and I want to know where that came from. These boys could be victims too.

And the other article

To me these threats make it more then just cutesy child like experimentation - they threatened her with physical violence. How can what she did afterwards be viewed as consensual? That is not giving consent them if a woman gave a BJ after being told:

"If you don't suck me off them I'm going to bash you with this rock"

I agree with Yowl about looking into the family situation of all three of these boys - 8 and 9 yr olds should not be thinkking of doing something like this.

Statutory rape on the girl, that isn't in question imo.

What is in question is why? I mean seriously! Wtf!

When I saw this, I was pretty shocked at first. One, how have they even hit puberty?! Two, what is this world coming to.

But then I remembered being chased by boys when I was...what...7? They were the same age, and they were running around chasing all the girls trying to squeeze our crotches. I was a little upset, but not overly traumatized. I certainly haven't grown up to be a stripper. But had I reported this today, what would the school/parental/media reaction have been?

So it's hard to know if this is really an outrageous crime committed by juvenile predators, or normal childhood stuff being blown out of proportion.

That's what I was going to say. :thumbsup:

Again... this does not belong in the public sphere.

I know there are rules against flaming and personal attacks in this place, so I dont want to say this... but anyone who genuinely wants to see a confused and troubled 11 year old girl dragged through the legal system and the court of public contempt... is an utter idiot.

I apologise for breaking the feeling of this community, but these kind of comments really revolt me.

I just want to say that I still remember what it was like to be around those ages...I remember being chased by boys quite young (at 8 or 9), and there being kissing games and such. Maybe there was no sexual desire, but there was definitely a curiosity. I remember having crushes on boys as early as 7. I thought about sex occasionally at 12. I discovered masturbation at about 9 or 10. This may be, to some degree, a generation thing that we will never understand. I remember being 14 on the school bus and hearing little kids of 7 saying pretty strong swear words and talking about sex and thinking the world must be crazy. That being said, I'd say this can only be rape...how could she have consented to something almost completely alien to her? (Knowing about something isn't the same as actually knowing what it is in reality).

My stomach feels all woobly.

That is an odd story and i agree that i never had the idea or sex drive at that age

All right two possibilities: either she was raped or she is making it up.

If she was raped:
Like it has been mentioned, these boys would have need to have the idea implanted in their heads, through abuse or adult materials... Either way considerable attention needs to be placed on the parents of all children concerned.

This is just FUBAR of reality and turning into Atwood's Oryx and Crake...

Who was watching these kids? 8 and 9 year olds in the woods? Maybe I'm an over protective father but I do not remember a time when my kids were wandering around without supervision.

I don't understand. I hope there's some investigation of the parents in this process. There has to be more than what's in that article, and I'm not sure that I want to know.

I don't know why so many people are surprised. My guy friends and I have been discussing having sex with our girl friends since the 3rd grade. That would put us in the same age category as the boys in question. Since we all shared every detail about our lives, I know that all of my guy friends have been masturbating since at least 6 years old (I started around 5). No to mention chasing after girls, kissing games, leg touching, etc. It wasn't sexually arousing, but exploratory.

While actually having sex at that age is going a little far (more so if they forced her to comply), sexual exploration among kids is a very normal thing.

Thank the Internet for teaching kids the things they do these days (sarcasm, of course). Oh, and "On Demand" doesn't help the cause much, either.

They think that putting a little button that says "Do not click unless you are 18" is insurmountable for a kid to get around. Hmm... I think it delays them for all of 2 seconds, the time it takes to read the warning and decide to ignore it.

The system is a joke! Youtube got so popular because it was the only video site that stuck to innocent video clips, but like all the others the adult stuff made it's way finally.