Baraka_Guru

Most commercially produced eggs are unfertilized. Never would become meat. This is why some vegetarians are okay with them. Others will say no because of how the hens are treated, especially at the large factory farms.

Those who allow dairy and eggs are called lacto-ovo vegetarians, which I, for the most part, consider myself to be. I do admit that I eat meat one to four times a month, so some would consider me a part-time vegetarian. Eating fish is important to me for the health benefits of fatty fish (omega-3s).

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Menoman

The only reason I usually make fun of vegetarians is because most of them that I have had contact with who claim the 'animal love' concept as a reason for their choice, are the same people I see with a leather couch and leather car interior. Also the same people who will eat things like eggs, well those eggs didnt come from a chicken being allowed to 'live freely' did they!

Otherwise I wouldnt have much contempt for them aside from hypocrisy and ignorance they exhibit. Obviously not all are like that just my personal contact with the ones I know.

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Willravel

Am I the only one who thinks it'd be funny if the "is the egg meat" thing turns into a "is a fetus a human being" argument?

Plan9

No, I second that motion.

Proceed.

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Baraka_Guru

I, personally, don't eat chicken fetuses. Such a debate should be about embryos, which, I might add, have recently been bypassed for stem-cell research by using skin cells.

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Plan9

So... can they get stem cells from fish skin?

(thinks about tuna sushi)

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Leto

Ya, it's muscle tissue isn't it?

Ustwo

Keep it up and we will eat you.

And not in a good way, but with butter and garlic.

Mmmmm.....

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Strange Famous

I presume someone has pointed out it's ok to eat fish cos they don't have any feelings?

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Willravel

Then it's okay to eat Neocons?

Ustwo

What are you going to hunt me with boy?

Let me show you my little friend....

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Willravel

Spear? Or maybe I'll leave a war under a big box attached to a string.

Ustwo

You mean you aren't for banning spears?

You know you might want to get on that, I think they did in the UK already.

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Um.... must have been a typo, I meant "Spears" like Britney Spears.

telekinetic

Unless we're talking about balut, which I'm sure no self respecting veggie would eat, then eggs are only half of an embryo. The majority is potential embryo food.

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Ustwo

Well shit, now this has me interested in the most important question here.

Does a vegetarian chick swallow?

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telekinetic

If she eats eggs, I'd assume so...sperm and eggs are both half a zygote

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Baraka_Guru

An ovo-vegetarian is fine with this, I'd assume.


....and I'm not surprised you'd eat me, Ustwo, most carnivores I know aren't known for being discerning when choosing their menus.

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xepherys

Well, fish is fish, seafood is seafood that is not fish, beef, pork, lamb and such is meat and chicken, turkey and other fowl are poultry... at least that's what I've learned.

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Baraka_Guru

This is only semantics, but it is interesting:

Meat:

cow = beef
pig = pork
deer = venison
sheep = mutton/lamb
bird = fowl/poultry

goat = goat meat
bear = bear meat
moose = moose meat
fish = fish/seafood

fruit = meat
nut = meat

ORIGIN: Old English, "food," "article of food." (Source: AskOxford.com)

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Lucifer

Really? I don't eat seafood at all. I just don't like the taste. I've tried every kind of fish you can think from your basic fried fish and chips to tuna pulled right out of the ocean and steaked on deck at my feet. I've had dorado, shark, wahoo, tuna, trout, salmon, octopus, squid, cod. It all just tastes like fish.

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Ustwo

You poor poor thing.

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Willravel

Yeah, I call that hell. I'd die without seafood.

Borla

When you eat an animal, it is meat.


When you eat a plant, it is a vegetable, herb, or spice.


Animal products (cheese, milk, etc.) are a separate catagory, but by no means meat.



For the record, I LOVE animals.......................they are delicious.

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hrandani

as someone with a formal education I am shocked and horrified at the people who said no, catholicism notwithstanding

ItWasMe

Ha. My fish have feelings. They love me.

I rank fish as a meat. Eyeballs, bones, and they talk to me when I pass by their tanks. My plants don't talk to me, aren't meat. Which is probably why they keep dying (they can't remind me to water them).

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Sion

that sounds to me like a mental block.

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Menoman

Except that a veggie who is so, "for the animals", shouldn't be eatting eggs anyway because of the conditions 90% of the chickens are in to get those eggs.


I bet most PETArds would swallow, hell aside from eatting human sperm they'd probably eat a human, they seem to care more about animal life than human life.

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Plan9

You're right. I'd eat butchered cuts of Menoman with some fava beans if your diet wasn't probably too much junk food and not enough exercise.

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Menoman

Well I'm 5'10" very slim and quite toned, so you wouldnt get much meat anyway.

Probably less than you, what with avoiding the excessive ink from fear of poisoning.

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Fast Forward

... or a cultural one. Anyway, I agree. One might just as well argue that "meat is meat" but "poultry" is something else.

In the end it's all about the "historical thing" you mentioned and it's the same thing with geography .... what divides Europe from middle-Asia and who's decision is (was) it to make that distinction?

Baraka_Guru

Yeah, I think in the end people "call it by another name" to justify or ritualize what they eat. It's basically using language to help make exceptions for actions.

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snowy

The bolding is mine, as I wanted to emphasize that yes, we eat eggs, but when we purchase our eggs we usually get them from one of two sources--the farmer's market or the co-op--and they are typically vegetarian-fed free-range. We love eggs from the farmer's market--there's nothing quite like a farm-fresh egg.

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jewels

Meat infers animal. Fish is not animal.

Everything's open to interpretation, though.

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snowy

Fish are animals. They aren't mammals, if that's what you're getting at.

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jewels

Nope. Maybe it's my ethnic upbringing based on my ancestors' beliefs.

Chicken is poultry; beef, pork and veal are meat; and fish is anything from the sea, other than crustaceans.

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Manuel Hong

Regarding rennet: although usually made from an animal by-product such as stomach or intestinal lining, the herb bedstraw makes a fine culture starter as well and has been used for that purpose for hundreds of years.
So, if anyone here wants to make some cheese, but doesn't want to hassle with gutting a cow, there ya go.

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albania

I don't see what your ethnicity would have anything to do with it. It seemed to me that you were simply mistaken about the definition of the word animal. As I know it animal means any creature in the kingdom animalia, and I thought that was what it was commonly understood to mean. That's what onesnowyowl was pointing out: fish are animals(because they're in the kingdom animalia).

Leto

why are they not animals? They move. They are animated and living. They aren't Plants or Minerals. They must be animals. On top of that, they have muscle tissue. Muscle tissue is what comprises meat.

Sion

from dictionary.com:


an·i·mal Audio Help /ˈænəməl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[an-uh-muhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. any member of the kingdom Animalia, comprising multicellular organisms that have a well-defined shape and usually limited growth, can move voluntarily, actively acquire food and digest it internally, and have sensory and nervous systems that allow them to respond rapidly to stimuli: some classification schemes also include protozoa and certain other single-celled eukaryotes that have motility and animallike nutritional modes.
2. any such living thing other than a human being.
3. a mammal, as opposed to a fish, bird, etc.
4. the physical, sensual, or carnal nature of human beings; animality: the animal in every person.
5. an inhuman person; brutish or beastlike person: She married an animal.
6. thing: A perfect job? Is there any such animal?
–adjective
7. of, pertaining to, or derived from animals: animal instincts; animal fats.
8. pertaining to the physical, sensual, or carnal nature of humans, rather than their spiritual or intellectual nature: animal needs.

meat Audio Help /mit/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[meet] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the flesh of animals as used for food.
2. the edible part of anything, as a fruit or nut: Crack the walnuts and remove the meats.
3. the essential point or part of an argument, literary work, etc.; gist; crux: The meat of the play is the jealousy between the two brothers.
4. solid food: meat and drink.
5. solid or substantial content; pith: The article was full of meat, with few wasted words.
6. a favorite occupation, activity, etc.: Chess in his meat.
7. Chiefly South Midland and Southern U.S. pork, esp. bacon.
8. Slang: Vulgar. penis.
9. Archaic. the principal meal: to say grace before meat.
—Idiom
10. piece of meat, Slang.
a. a person regarded merely as a sex object.
b. a person, as a prizefighter or laborer, regarded merely as a strong or useful physical specimen.


fish are animals and the muscle tissues from fish are meat

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