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Not Right Now · 08-07-2007, 08:24 AM

Hello all,

For you to get the grasp of as to why I am inquiring about this, I have to tell you. I've been in three car accidents in the last two years, now although only one was my fault my insurance company has decided to blood test me to make sure I'm not perpetually twisted on drugs. Here in lies the problem. I am not, I don't do drugs anymore and haven't in almost 3 years. I do drink however (this is where the question begins) I am a big supporter of legalizing Absinthe in U.S. and drink it regularly. As my latest bottles arrive just days before my blood test I wonder; I know Thujone can stay in the blood stream, but A) do they test for it and B) will they consider it drug use (it is still illegal after all) and raise or drop my insurance for it?

If you know or have any hard evidence or articles on the subject please let me know as I am dying to get on those bottles.

*Nikki* · 08-07-2007, 08:27 AM

I must say I don't know the answers to your questions, but you sound like a rather interesting individual.

Not Right Now · 08-07-2007, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by *Nikki*

I must say I don't know the answers to your questions, but you sound like a rather interesting individual.

Thank you. I wouldn't say I'm interesting, I have my quirks though.... but then again, who doesn't?

mirevolver · 08-07-2007, 09:21 AM

As far as the blood test goes, I don't know. But in regards to the potent green drink, Absinthe, as I understand the law, it is only illegal to sell in the United States. Possessing absinthe is not illegal. Having been with friends to the Czech Republic and back, not a single one of us have had problems bringing it into the country.

How do you get it? Is someone making regular trips to Prague for you?

ShaniFaye · 08-07-2007, 09:36 AM

I wish I knew someone that could bring it back from the CR for me....they wont ship it here damn it. I have to get mine in Germany and its not as strong in the wormwood content as the CR stuff

and yes mirevolver you're right, you can possess all you want there...just cant sell it

snowy · 08-07-2007, 09:48 AM

Most conventional drug tests I've dealt with (and I used to work in drug and alcohol treatment, giving UAs at least once a week) do not test for thujone, so you should be okay--plus, it's not technically illegal to consume thujone in the United States, because thujone is a naturally occuring compound in many herbs--not just artemisia absinthium. It also occurs in sage and sage oil, both of which are on the FDA's Generally Recognized as Safe list--however, any product made with any kind of artemisia plant is not allowed to have detectable levels of thujone...odd how that works. One of the many oddities of the bureaucracy of America, I suppose.

Not Right Now · 08-07-2007, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mirevolver

As far as the blood test goes, I don't know. But in regards to the potent green drink, Absinthe, as I understand the law, it is only illegal to sell in the United States. Possessing absinthe is not illegal. Having been with friends to the Czech Republic and back, not a single one of us have had problems bringing it into the country.

How do you get it? Is someone making regular trips to Prague for you?

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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye

I wish I knew someone that could bring it back from the CR for me....they wont ship it here damn it. I have to get mine in Germany and its not as strong in the wormwood content as the CR stuff

and yes mirevolver you're right, you can possess all you want there...just cant sell it

http://absinth24.net/

ShaniFaye · 08-07-2007, 10:19 AM

Oh wow how cool!! Thanks, last time I checked I couldnt find anywhere that would ship it here from CR!!

This is what we normally stock up on when Dave goes to Germany (I think its so cool they sell it in the grocery store)

https://www.absinth24.net//absinthe/...-0.5-ltr..html

Not Right Now · 08-07-2007, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye

Oh wow how cool!! Thanks, last time I checked I couldnt find anywhere that would ship it here from CR!!

This is what we normally stock up on when Dave goes to Germany (I think its so cool they sell it in the grocery store)

https://www.absinth24.net//absinthe/...-0.5-ltr..html

When It comes to Czech I prefer Blue for some reason so I drink this one, quite often.

https://www.absinth24.net//absinthe/...-0.7-ltr..html

It has a blue-green tone to it.

I drink French more than anything, specifically this one.

https://www.absinth24.net//absinthe/...-0.7-ltr..html

ShaniFaye · 08-07-2007, 10:27 AM

What I would like to know....because it doesnt happen with what we get....does what you drink give the the "fabled" hallucinogen affect?

Not Right Now · 08-07-2007, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye

What I would like to know....because it doesnt happen with what we get....does what you drink give the the "fabled" hallucinogen affect?

I don't get any hallucinations. what i do tend to get is an altered sense of things. It's a strange feeling where everything regresses back to it's most primitive state and you seem to break everything down in thought for what it really is.

You see a lightswitch and you know you're supposed to to flick it. The light turns off and only then you realize that you did it the wrong way and it needs to be redone so you can see.

You see a couple holding hands and you begin to think: Why are they holding hands? Why are they a couple? How They know eachother? Why are they even here?

It's tripping in it's early stages, similar to taking Robitussin, I used to do so in Highschool and the feeling is a bit reminiscent of that, but better, it has a nice body high, that helps. So, I guess it would best be described as a lucid drunk.

Willravel · 08-07-2007, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Not Right Now

I am a big supporter of legalizing Absinthe in U.S. and drink it regularly.

Here, here!! Absinthe prohibition is wrong!

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Originally Posted by Not Right Now

As my latest bottles arrive just days before my blood test I wonder; I know Thujone can stay in the blood stream, but A) do they test for it and B) will they consider it drug use (it is still illegal after all) and raise or drop my insurance for it?

If you know or have any hard evidence or articles on the subject please let me know as I am dying to get on those bottles.

Agreed with above, it's not illegal to have thujone in your blood. Just have an alternate theory as to how it got in your system, like you loving using the spice sage in your soups and cheeses. Word it like this:
"Thujone? Isn't that in sage?"
It's air tight.

pig · 08-07-2007, 10:38 AM

i'd tend to ask myself if it was so important to imbibe of the proverbial cup that i'd risk getting dropped by my insurance over it. i think i'd tend to use it as a reward after passing the test...why add stress to the environment if it's not necessary?

cj2112 · 08-07-2007, 10:49 AM

Is this a car insurance company? I think i'd contact a lawyer and find out if they can test me legally. I think this is a huge invasion of privacy.

Not Right Now · 08-07-2007, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by cj2112

Is this a car insurance company? I think i'd contact a lawyer and find out if they can test me legally. I think this is a huge invasion of privacy.

Yes, the problem si that they want to make sure I'm not a bad threat as I've been involved in these bad accidents in a relatively short period of time.

cj2112 · 08-07-2007, 11:10 AM

I think I'd start getting quotes from other companies and drop them before they dropped me. YOU are the customer, purchasing a product from them. I understand they are wanting to limit their risk, but nothing says you have to put up with this kind of crap from them.

Not Right Now · 08-07-2007, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by cj2112

I think I'd start getting quotes from other companies and drop them before they dropped me. YOU are the customer, purchasing a product from them. I understand they are wanting to limit their risk, but nothing says you have to put up with this kind of crap from them.

Agreed. but even with my crashes I'm paying what I would be paying with a clean slate in many of the competing companies.

analog · 08-07-2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Not Right Now

As my latest bottles arrive just days before my blood test I wonder; I know Thujone can stay in the blood stream, but A) do they test for it and B) will they consider it drug use (it is still illegal after all) and raise or drop my insurance for it?

How about using your brain and just NOT drinking it for the few days before your blood test? Are you that addicted and foolish as to NEED to drink it just because the shipment came in?

Sometimes people say, "there are no stupid questions". I'm here to tell you, this is a stupid question. Just wait the few days until the drug test is done and THEN drink it.

Jetée · 08-07-2007, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by analog

How about using your brain and just NOT drinking it for the few days before your blood test? Are you that addicted and foolish as to NEED to drink it just because the shipment came in?

Sometimes people say, "there are no stupid questions". I'm here to tell you, this is a stupid question. Just wait the few days until the drug test is done and THEN drink it.

I actually had to scroll down after seventeen replies to read analog's post of common sensical advice.

Unbelievable.

Follow the advice posted, then decide to research your query at your own leisure.

Not Right Now · 08-07-2007, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by analog

How about using your brain and just NOT drinking it for the few days before your blood test? Are you that addicted and foolish as to NEED to drink it just because the shipment came in?

Sometimes people say, "there are no stupid questions". I'm here to tell you, this is a stupid question. Just wait the few days until the drug test is done and THEN drink it.

I am asking because I drank two glasses last night not thinking about it and then I realized today that it might come up. I don't have addictions; everything, I do is at my own leisure. My shipment got in yesterday morning and I had forgotten that my test was scheduled for Thursday. And yes I do enjoy it so I wanted to have a glass or two tonight as well. I don't need my brain to choose whether or not I want a glass of absinthe, wine or anything to drink before I go to bed or not to.

And for the record... I don't appreciate the backhanded way you began that comment. I'm not looking for problems with this statement either so please don't begin flaming me because we disagree on something.

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Originally Posted by Jetstream

I actually had to scroll down after seventeen replies to read analog's post of common sensical advice.

Unbelievable.

Follow the advice posted, then decide to research your query at your own leisure.

I Tried. I Found nothing.

analog · 08-07-2007, 06:16 PM

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As my latest bottles arrive just days before my blood test

This was what you wrote... the wording of which implies it has yet to happen. Now you're saying it's already happened, and you're already drinking it anyway, and the test is in two days.

So now the picture is clearer... you're not asking whether or not you should drink it, you're saying you've already made the potentially bad decision to drink it just prior to testing, and are now looking for someone to make your fears go away by telling you that you didn't do something foolish.

And telling someone to not do something stupid is hardly flaming. It's giving you a little dose of easily-digestible common sense.

Not Right Now · 08-07-2007, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by analog

This was what you wrote... the wording of which implies it has yet to happen. Now you're saying it's already happened, and you're already drinking it anyway, and the test is in two days.

So now the picture is clearer... you're not asking whether or not you should drink it, you're saying you've already made the potentially bad decision to drink it just prior to testing, and are now looking for someone to make your fears go away by telling you that you didn't do something foolish.

And telling someone to not do something stupid is hardly flaming. It's giving you a little dose of easily-digestible common sense.

Well, I meant to write arrived, sorry for the mistake.

I was inquriing not to make the fear go away, but so that I could reschedule the test if it were to come out.

I didn't say you flamed me, I said I didn't like the way you started your post. I asked you not to flame me because I told you so because that's what most people do.

thingstodo · 08-08-2007, 02:26 PM

Even better, check your policy to see if this is even something they can do based on that document. I'd also check local/state laws to see at what point they can drug test you.

Do typical drug tests even test for things like this? I'd think theyd be looking more for current alcohal levels, pot, opiates, etc.

Also, you did say you already drank some, not just that it had arrived.

Not Right Now · 08-08-2007, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by thingstodo

Even better, check your policy to see if this is even something they can do based on that document. I'd also check local/state laws to see at what point they can drug test you.

Do typical drug tests even test for things like this? I'd think theyd be looking more for current alcohal levels, pot, opiates, etc.

Also, you did say you already drank some, not just that it had arrived.

yes, two glasses of it the day it arrived.

ziadel · 08-08-2007, 06:41 PM

Its not in the NIDA 5

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_test
http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/...ng_info1.shtml

/Erowid is your friend.
//Never ever ever concede any rights without first spe4aking to an attorney.

MSD · 08-09-2007, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye

What I would like to know....because it doesnt happen with what we get....does what you drink give the the "fabled" hallucinogen affect?

It's a myth, van Gogh hallucinated because he'd run out of absinthe and start drinking paint and paint thinner. Any hallucination is from something not in traditional absinthe or is from the placebo effect. You get a different, more lucid drunkenness than with other liquors, but not only is thujone not the active ingredient in absinthe, it will cause kidney failure at lower doses than it takes to have other noticeable effect.

Not Right Now · 08-09-2007, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MrSelfDestruct

It's a myth, van Gogh hallucinated because he'd run out of absinthe and start drinking paint and paint thinner. Any hallucination is from something not in traditional absinthe or is from the placebo effect. You get a different, more lucid drunkenness than with other liquors, but not only is thujone not the active ingredient in absinthe, it will cause kidney failure at lower doses than it takes to have other noticeable effect.

Pretty much.

08-07-2007, 08:24 AM	#1 (permalink)
Not Right Now Insane Location: Far Away	Blood Test Question. Hello all, For you to get the grasp of as to why I am inquiring about this, I have to tell you. I've been in three car accidents in the last two years, now although only one was my fault my insurance company has decided to blood test me to make sure I'm not perpetually twisted on drugs. Here in lies the problem. I am not, I don't do drugs anymore and haven't in almost 3 years. I do drink however (this is where the question begins) I am a big supporter of legalizing Absinthe in U.S. and drink it regularly. As my latest bottles arrive just days before my blood test I wonder; I know Thujone can stay in the blood stream, but A) do they test for it and B) will they consider it drug use (it is still illegal after all) and raise or drop my insurance for it? If you know or have any hard evidence or articles on the subject please let me know as I am dying to get on those bottles. __________________ I only came to dance. Last edited by Not Right Now; 08-07-2007 at 08:34 AM..

08-07-2007, 09:21 AM	#4 (permalink)
mirevolver Inspired by the mind's eye. Location: Between the darkness and the light.	As far as the blood test goes, I don't know. But in regards to the potent green drink, Absinthe, as I understand the law, it is only illegal to sell in the United States. Possessing absinthe is not illegal. Having been with friends to the Czech Republic and back, not a single one of us have had problems bringing it into the country. How do you get it? Is someone making regular trips to Prague for you? __________________ Aside from my great plans to become the future dictator of the moon, I have little interest in political discussions.

08-07-2007, 09:36 AM	#5 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	I wish I knew someone that could bring it back from the CR for me....they wont ship it here damn it. I have to get mine in Germany and its not as strong in the wormwood content as the CR stuff and yes mirevolver you're right, you can possess all you want there...just cant sell it __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

08-07-2007, 09:48 AM	#6 (permalink)
snowy Kick Ass Kunoichi Location: Oregon	Most conventional drug tests I've dealt with (and I used to work in drug and alcohol treatment, giving UAs at least once a week) do not test for thujone, so you should be okay--plus, it's not technically illegal to consume thujone in the United States, because thujone is a naturally occuring compound in many herbs--not just artemisia absinthium. It also occurs in sage and sage oil, both of which are on the FDA's Generally Recognized as Safe list--however, any product made with any kind of artemisia plant is not allowed to have detectable levels of thujone...odd how that works. One of the many oddities of the bureaucracy of America, I suppose. __________________ If I am not better, at least I am different. --Jean-Jacques Rousseau

08-07-2007, 10:19 AM	#8 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	Oh wow how cool!! Thanks, last time I checked I couldnt find anywhere that would ship it here from CR!! This is what we normally stock up on when Dave goes to Germany (I think its so cool they sell it in the grocery store) https://www.absinth24.net//absinthe/...-0.5-ltr..html __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

08-07-2007, 08:27 AM	#2 (permalink)
Nikki ~~~~~~~ Location: Charleston, SC	I must say I don't know the answers to your questions, but you sound like a rather interesting individual.

08-07-2007, 10:27 AM	#10 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	What I would like to know....because it doesnt happen with what we get....does what you drink give the the "fabled" hallucinogen affect? __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

08-07-2007, 10:38 AM	#13 (permalink)
pig pigglet pigglet Location: Locash	i'd tend to ask myself if it was so important to imbibe of the proverbial cup that i'd risk getting dropped by my insurance over it. i think i'd tend to use it as a reward after passing the test...why add stress to the environment if it's not necessary? __________________ You don't love me, you just love my piggy style

08-07-2007, 10:49 AM	#14 (permalink)
cj2112 Unbelievable Location: Grants Pass OR	Is this a car insurance company? I think i'd contact a lawyer and find out if they can test me legally. I think this is a huge invasion of privacy.

08-07-2007, 11:10 AM	#16 (permalink)
cj2112 Unbelievable Location: Grants Pass OR	I think I'd start getting quotes from other companies and drop them before they dropped me. YOU are the customer, purchasing a product from them. I understand they are wanting to limit their risk, but nothing says you have to put up with this kind of crap from them.

08-08-2007, 02:26 PM	#23 (permalink)
thingstodo A Storm Is Coming Location: The Great White North	Even better, check your policy to see if this is even something they can do based on that document. I'd also check local/state laws to see at what point they can drug test you. Do typical drug tests even test for things like this? I'd think theyd be looking more for current alcohal levels, pot, opiates, etc. Also, you did say you already drank some, not just that it had arrived. __________________ If you're wringing your hands you can't roll up your shirt sleeves. Stangers have the best candy.

08-08-2007, 06:41 PM	#25 (permalink)
ziadel Myrmidon Location: In the twilight and mist.	Its not in the NIDA 5 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_test http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/...ng_info1.shtml /Erowid is your friend. //Never ever ever concede any rights without first spe4aking to an attorney. __________________ Ron Paul '08 Vote for Freedom Go ahead and google Dr. Ron Paul. You'll like what you read.