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snowy · 07-24-2007, 11:10 AM

So two boys in a town about 45 minutes from where I live have been charged with misdemeanor sexual assault (downgraded from a felony) after slapping some girls on their bottoms while in the hallway at their local middle school.

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Two middle-school students in Oregon are facing possible time in a juvenile jail and could have to register as sex offenders for smacking girls on the rear end at school.

Cory Mashburn and Ryan Cornelison, both 13, were arrested in February after they were caught in the halls of Patton Middle School, in McMinnville, Ore., slapping girls on the rear end. Mashburn told ABC News in a phone interview that this was a common way of saying hello practiced by lots of kids at the school, akin to a secret handshake.

The boys spent five days in a juvenile detention facility and were charged with several counts of felony sex abuse for what they and their parents said was merely inappropriate but not criminal behavior.

The local district attorney has since backed off -- the felony charges have been dropped and the district attorney said probation would be an appropriate punishment. The Mashburns' lawyer said prosecutors offered Cory a plea bargain that would not require him to register as a sex offender, which the family plans to reject.

But the boys, if convicted at an Aug. 20 trial, still face the possibility of some jail time or registering for life as sex offenders.

The boys' families and lawyers said even sentencing them to probation would turn admittedly inappropriate but not uncommon juvenile rowdiness into a crime. If they are convicted of any of the misdemeanor charges against them, they would have to register as sex offenders.

"It's devastating," said Mark Lawrence, Cory Mashburn's lawyer. "To be a registered sex offender is to be designated as the most loathed in our society. These are young boys with bright futures, and the brightness of those futures would be over."

'Lots of Kids Do It'

Cory Mashburn said he and Ryan Cornelison slapped each others' and other kids' bottoms every Friday. "Lots of kids at school do that," he said.

Cory and Ryan were brought to the principal's office Feb. 22, where they were questioned by school officials and a police officer. They were arrested that day and taken in handcuffs to a juvenile detention facility.

Court papers said the boys touched the buttocks of several girls, some of whom said this made them uncomfortable. The papers also said Cory touched a girl's breasts. But police reports filed with the court said other students, both boys and girls, slapped each other on the bottom.

"It's like a handshake we do," one girl said, according to the police report.

The boys were initially charged with five counts of felony sexual abuse. At a court hearing, two of the girls recanted, saying they never felt threatened or inappropriately touched by the boys. The judge released the boys but barred them from returning to school and required that they be under constant adult supervision.

District Attorney Bradley Berry has since dismissed the felony counts. The boys face 10 misdemeanor charges of harassment and sexual abuse. They face a maximum of up to one year in a juvenile jail on each count, though Berry said there was no way the boys would ever serve that much time.

"An appropriate sentence would be probation," he said. "These are minor misdemeanor charges that reflect repeated contact against multiple victims. We never intended for them to get a long time in detention."

"We're not seeking major penalties," he said. "We're seeking change in conduct."

'We Just Want This to Be Over'

Tracie Mashburn, Cory's mother, said they will not accept plea and plan to fight the charges.

The arrests, critics said, reflect a trend toward criminalizing adolescent sexual behavior. Between 1998 and 2002, juvenile arrests for sex offenses other than rape or prostitution rose 9 percent -- the only kind of juvenile arrests that rose during that time, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

"More and more, they are criminalizing normal adolescent or preadolescent behavior," said Chuck Aron, co-chairman of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers juvenile justice committee.

Even probation, the Mashburns and their attorney said, would be too severe a punishment.

Julie McFarlane, a supervising attorney at the Juvenile Rights Project in Portland, Ore., said, "Probation for a sex offense is very difficult thing, and there's a pretty high failure rate." Failing to meet the terms of probation could mean the boys would be sent to jail.

Depending on the terms of probation, it's likely that the boys would not be allowed to have sexual contact with anyone or any contact with younger children, McFarlane said. For Cory Mashburn, that would mean he couldn't be left alone with his younger siblings.

There is a third page to this article, but I couldn't get it to load. Here is the link: http://www.abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/sto...3406214&page=1

One of the quotes that caught my eye here was this:

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"More and more, they are criminalizing normal adolescent or preadolescent behavior," said Chuck Aron, co-chairman of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers juvenile justice committee.

I really don't think this qualifies as misdemeanor sexual assault. To me, assault implies that someone was victimized by the perpetrator's actions, and I don't think being swatted on the butt in a middle school hallway qualifies, given that none of the females interviewed by police made any indication of being uncomfortable with the boys' actions.

To me, pinning this up as a sexual assault case trivializes actual sexual assault. I was sexually assaulted by a handicapped classmate when I was 13 (to be brief, he attacked my friend and I at the bus stop, told us he was going to rape us, and nearly ripped my shirt off trying to get at my breasts). In my opinion, being slapped on the bottom by a classmate is nothing--certainly not traumatizing or life-changing or horrifying. Being attacked by a 300-lb developmentally disabled person is. If these girls had truly been victimized by the actions of the boys, they have the responsibility to speak up to the police and the court. But it doesn't sound as if that is the case.

If swatting someone on the bottom is sexual assault...I'm in trouble. I swatted my share of bottoms in middle and high school...and continue to do so. In fact, when I was a senior in high school many of the cast members of the musical that spring used butt swats as a greeting, much as these kids claim to be doing. If the school has an issue with it, let the school deal with it, but criminal charges are going overboard. We don't need to let a silly adolescent prank ruin these boys' lives--plus, McMinnville has a youth meth problem they should be spending their money on, not this.

The_Jazz · 07-24-2007, 11:28 AM

I think that the key to the whole thing is this:

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"It's like a handshake we do," one girl said, according to the police report.

If I'd been the DA looking at this, I would have a very hard time getting past this kind of statement. If I were on the jury and heard that testimony, I'd have a hard time convicting since it raises a reasonable doubt in my mind as to whether or not the slapping was sexual in nature.

For the record, I'm guilty of this too, as are a whole lot of male athletes. When I was racing and would pass a teammate, I'd usually pat them on the butt as a way of nonverbally communicating "pick up the pace and stick with me".

Criminalizing this is moronic. Glad they've solved all the other problems at that school.

lurkette · 07-24-2007, 12:04 PM

If nobody objected, I'd have to say assault is in the behind of the slappee...that's a really inelegant analogy.

Anyhow, perception is 90% of the issue. Because nobody objects, it's hard to call it assault. Sort of like punching someone in the arm when you pass in the hall. It's certainly inappropriate - A guy a year ahead of me in school was a notorious ass-slapper and -grabber, and it made walking down the hall a horrible experience, trying to avoid his busy hands. It was disturbing and distracting. You shouldn't have to worry about that kind of shit.

On the other hand, criminalizing this isn't going to do anything but incarcerate and stigmatize teenagers who would do better with a good talking-to.

Bill O'Rights · 07-24-2007, 01:04 PM

Sounds to me as if a lot of people have forgotten what it was like to be a middle school student. I slapped my fair share of female asses. But, that was back in the 70's...before 0 tolerance policies, and the abdication of common sense.

jorgelito · 07-24-2007, 07:02 PM

Ugh, it's all that political correctness gone amok. Boys will be boys, just let them be. They're not hurting anyone. I'm so glad I'm not a kid anymore in this day and age with all the expelling of 5-year olds for innocent kisses on their class mates. Next thing you know we'll go the way of the Europeans, like the Swedes who want to ban men from peeing standing up.

Terrell · 07-24-2007, 09:08 PM

I think that this is ridiculous. It's a total abdication of common sense to charge sexual assault in this case, especially if the victims don't think it's sex assault. I also think that the sex offender laws are by far overused, given that they're not limited to rapists and pedos. (probably because it makes the sex offender problem look like it's more rampant than it acutally is, and gives politicians something to rail against when election time rolls around)

albania · 07-27-2007, 04:42 AM

This isn't sexual assault. Whatever happened to suspending kids, do they just automatically call the cops now? In the same vain, whatever happened to actual handshakes, is that too passe for kids? I think a better form of interaction would be nodding. I'll admit it's not quite as personal as the actual touch. However, if you can get the timing right you can pretty much nod any greeting you wish. From things like, "Hello! Nice day, isn't it?" to "Yes, I'll buy you a drink and probably never see you again", they're all covered in nodding.

Glory's Sun · 07-27-2007, 05:00 AM

The fact that they would have even a remote chance of having to register as sex offenders for this proves that the system is in need of some serious change.

liquidlight · 07-27-2007, 08:19 AM

What's next, they're going to arrest all the High School males that play sports for slapping their asses on their way on and off the field?

Who's overprotective self-righteous PC-overdrive parents got their kids to testify against these boys? Was there ever a point that any of these "victims" told the other people that it made them uncomfortable? Or how about a good old-fashioned "Quit touching my butt, dammit!!"?

We're not going to have to worry about the bloody terrorists, ridiculous garbage like this is going to destroy our society long before they do.

Frosstbyte · 07-27-2007, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by liquidlight

We're not going to have to worry about the bloody terrorists, ridiculous garbage like this is going to destroy our society long before they do.

In the parlance of our times, quoted for fucking truth.

ziadel · 07-27-2007, 05:34 PM

Mark my words, pretty soon theres gonna be one hell of a backlash if the authorities dont stop pulling stupid shit like this.

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"We're not seeking major penalties," he said. "We're seeking change in conduct."

You're a district attorney, NOT a school principal, stop imposing yourself when you have no business WHATSOEVER trying to force a change in a school.

07-24-2007, 12:04 PM	#3 (permalink)
lurkette My future is coming on Moderator Emeritus Location: east of the sun and west of the moon	If nobody objected, I'd have to say assault is in the behind of the slappee...that's a really inelegant analogy. Anyhow, perception is 90% of the issue. Because nobody objects, it's hard to call it assault. Sort of like punching someone in the arm when you pass in the hall. It's certainly inappropriate - A guy a year ahead of me in school was a notorious ass-slapper and -grabber, and it made walking down the hall a horrible experience, trying to avoid his busy hands. It was disturbing and distracting. You shouldn't have to worry about that kind of shit. On the other hand, criminalizing this isn't going to do anything but incarcerate and stigmatize teenagers who would do better with a good talking-to. __________________ "If ten million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing." - Anatole France

07-24-2007, 01:04 PM	#4 (permalink)
Bill O'Rights will always be an Alyson Hanniganite Location: In the dust of the archives	Sounds to me as if a lot of people have forgotten what it was like to be a middle school student. I slapped my fair share of female asses. But, that was back in the 70's...before 0 tolerance policies, and the abdication of common sense. __________________ "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony "Hedonism with rules isn't hedonism at all, it's the Republican party." - JumpinJesus It is indisputable that true beauty lies within...but a nice rack sure doesn't hurt.

07-27-2007, 08:19 AM	#9 (permalink)
liquidlight AHH! Custom Title!! Location: The twisted warpings of my brain.	What's next, they're going to arrest all the High School males that play sports for slapping their asses on their way on and off the field? Who's overprotective self-righteous PC-overdrive parents got their kids to testify against these boys? Was there ever a point that any of these "victims" told the other people that it made them uncomfortable? Or how about a good old-fashioned "Quit touching my butt, dammit!!"? We're not going to have to worry about the bloody terrorists, ridiculous garbage like this is going to destroy our society long before they do. __________________ Halfway to hell and picking up speed.

07-24-2007, 07:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
jorgelito All important elusive independent swing voter... Location: People's Republic of KKKalifornia	Ugh, it's all that political correctness gone amok. Boys will be boys, just let them be. They're not hurting anyone. I'm so glad I'm not a kid anymore in this day and age with all the expelling of 5-year olds for innocent kisses on their class mates. Next thing you know we'll go the way of the Europeans, like the Swedes who want to ban men from peeing standing up.

07-24-2007, 09:08 PM	#6 (permalink)
Terrell Insane Location: Orlando, Florida	I think that this is ridiculous. It's a total abdication of common sense to charge sexual assault in this case, especially if the victims don't think it's sex assault. I also think that the sex offender laws are by far overused, given that they're not limited to rapists and pedos. (probably because it makes the sex offender problem look like it's more rampant than it acutally is, and gives politicians something to rail against when election time rolls around)

07-27-2007, 04:42 AM	#7 (permalink)
albania Psycho	This isn't sexual assault. Whatever happened to suspending kids, do they just automatically call the cops now? In the same vain, whatever happened to actual handshakes, is that too passe for kids? I think a better form of interaction would be nodding. I'll admit it's not quite as personal as the actual touch. However, if you can get the timing right you can pretty much nod any greeting you wish. From things like, "Hello! Nice day, isn't it?" to "Yes, I'll buy you a drink and probably never see you again", they're all covered in nodding.

07-27-2007, 05:00 AM	#8 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	The fact that they would have even a remote chance of having to register as sex offenders for this proves that the system is in need of some serious change.