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VA Tech shooting and politics (this is the thread for talk of "gun control", etc)
Based on another message board that's been discussing this almost all day... it's only a matter of time before it goes very political... imo of course. I'm starting this out of respect for people who have friends/family/acquaintances at VA Tech and don't know if they are safe - let alone alive.
Currently the people on CNN are bashing whoever they can think to bash to blame someone for this. Personally I'm finding the media involved in this worse than the officers... Here's something to start it ... from godhatesamerica.com Quote:
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OK, I'll admit - I don't get it. What does Westboro Babtist have to do with CNN bashing anyone and everyone? If anything, it seems like the media would just be a conduit for the Westboro agenda and would be fairly blameless as such.
What am I missing here? |
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Im sorry, but I thought all the questions they asked during this last press conference were poignant questions. They said themselves they only locked down a building that they said they *thought* the shooter wasnt even in anymore.
I was not at all impressed with the police person they used, why even have him there if he's not going to answer any questions? |
Fred Phelps and his church is the last place anyone of sane mind should consider a statement from about anything of any importance.
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i am sure that the reverend phelps wonderful sentiments will be a real solace to the other students at va tech, to the families of those who were killed or wounded, and to the wider community. i am sure that all will be grateful for such christian words, such christian expressions of empathy and compassion. who wouldnt be?
cnn is obviously in pure reactive mode, its reporters running around to get any stray bit of bite-worthy response to help them give the illusion that the story is somehow under control. whatever. tv news lives for this kind of stuff, all scurrying about and breathless, idiotic reportage. why anyone watches cnn--or any television "news" outlet in the states--and confuses it with information is beyond me. |
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wait: are you actually suggesting that university students should turn up for class strapped?
that's a batshit idea. any argument that you could possibly make for it simply treats the arbitrary (today's massacre) as necessary and proceeds from there to stand rational thinking on its head. i dont see any point in debating such a ridiculous position. it is not worth taking seriously. |
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flstf....last October, the 10 little Amish girls in their one-room school house were sitting ducks as well. Nearly 8 years ago, the high students at Collumbine were unarmed? Would you have suggested they all should have been armed?
Do you presume these horrific acts, that happen with such relative frequency in this country (as compared to other western countries) are the result of gun control? Why dont you think the might be the result of the "gun culture" in this country, which would more reasonably explain why it occurs here and not elsewhere? |
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why is it a batshit idea to defend yourself with a gun? even on campus? It certainly is NOT a ridiculous position after todays events. Quote:
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I'm trying to picture those 10 amish girls defending themselves with a gun last october.
Dk..perhaps you can respond to my question as well. WHy do you blame gun control and not the culture of guns? |
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So you think its warranted for every high school and college student to carry a gun to class?
Is that really the learning environment you want? I can see the logic of older school kids carrying guns to class in today's Iraq or even Israel...But how do you explain that these repeated episodes of school shootings happen in the US and not other western countries with stricter gun control laws? |
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dk....We're not going to change any opinions here. I can only be thankful that you represent the minority on this issue.
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What is right is not always popular, what is popular is not always right. |
You can rationalize your "armed" nation any way you want..and I'll stick to my responsible, as well as popular and right postion. :)
I'm sure we'll see more polls.....these are several years old, and not that they are likely to have any impact on you. I am linking just so you see how much of a minority position you represent: http://pollingreport.com/guns.htm |
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yeah, i'm certainly persuaded by polls. :shakehead: |
Its not right when one innocent person dies by gun violence, particulary the thousands of kids who die each year as a result of suicide or accident because of the easy access to guns in their house.
I've had my say...I'm done. |
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lighten up :)
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its a lot easier to shoot someone if you're carrying a gun than without
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oh great another gun control thread that will get no where. One side will claim if everyone had guns this wouldn't have happened and the other side will claim that if the shooter didn't have the gun this wouldn't have happened.
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Dead horse, anyone? |
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Osaka school massacre - Ikeda, Japan; 2001 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre Erfurt massacre - Erfurt, Germany; 2002 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erfurt_massacre Dawson College shooting - Montreal, Quebec, Canada; 2006 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawson_College_shooting Where I went to high school, we had a Police school resource officer, he was a visible presence and he walked the hallways with a nightstick and gun in his belt. This was not an innercity school either, it was in a city of a population of 125,000. For a high school, his presence was enough, and we were located 60 miles from Colombine. What happened today was at a university. The people who attend are by law, adults. I beleive that if people were allowed to carry guns instead of having a "gun free zone," somebody else might have had a gun and put a bullet in this shooter's head before the death toll hit 32. |
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ultimately, there is no way to stop such things; in the end its just a fucking horrible thing that happened. in dk's world, a legally carrying person would inevitably get drunk, or pissed off, and would shoot the fuck out of some people before someone reacted. or would incite a shoot out on campus, with no one knowing who they were really shooting, but goddamn it someone is shooting at them and they're shooting back. and i'm sure there would be legal penalties for doing so, and if this kid had been caught there would have been legal penalties for him. i really can't see how a college campus could ever be a relaxed open place for learning when a significant portion of the kids are packing heat. and the fucking hormones and the alpha social competition and the peer pressure and the alcohol and the drugs? i just think that's a really really really bad idea.
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Explain Iceland... the country where even the police don't carry guns. As a result, gun violence is not a problem here, period. The only people who own guns are goose-hunters, and there are very few of those.
Want to come and try to arm everyone here? It won't work. It's about the culture. |
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That said, no one anywhere ever predicted this kind of thing. One of my coworkers who lives in the suburbs is licensed to carry a gun (long story). He and I talked about this today, and he pointed out that security in our building is a joke. They're there to deter theives, not mass murderers. He's not about to start carrying his gun to work because "something may happen". If there's a reasonable threat he will, but he thinks that it's too much of a pain to carry it, despite his right to do so. And that, I think, is the much more likely outcome if guns had been allowed on campus. |
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We, on another message board, predicted that something like this would happen after the VA legislature let a house bill die in subcomittee that would have let students and faculty carry concealed on campus. |
on the Texas Tech Campus guns are not allowed because its a public university, therefore government property and your not allowed to bring guns on it. just like courthouses or capitals.
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And again, I doubt that there would have been any students returning fire. It's not their major concern. There might have been professors, but then again there might not. Woulda, coulda, shoulda. |
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