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Tire reef off Florida proves a disaster
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Maybe we need to just leave things alone as they are and as they have been for thousands of years before we decide to "know better." |
I think we should just let those oceanfront condos get swept out to sea instead of doing all this reef and sand pumping bullshit.
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This isn't new, we've known the tire reef was a disaster for almost a decade. The difference between tire reefs and successful artificial reefs are how they are affected by the tides. The tires are picked up and tumble in heavy waves, while ships and other massive projects like them stay stable. The tires when they tumble kill the sensitive coral, and can not provide a stable environment for them.
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Research, then implementation. Not the other way around. Yeesh.
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Sounds a lot like a good *sarcasm* business plan...
Step 1 - Steal Underpants Step 2 - ??? Step 3 - Profit! |
I read that story earlier and thought it was interesting… what started out as a potentially really positive and good idea, as well as killing two birds with one stone in a sense, completely backfired in their face.
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Dumping thousands of tires into the ocean is bad for the environment?
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Oh well... the size of 31 football fields?
Blow it out of proportion a little more Mr. Media guys. That's what? like .0001% of the ocean floor? I don't really see a problem. It's like saying landfills suck because they take up one bajillionth of the crustacious earth. |
Morons...
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The tires matter because they are fucking up the shoreline of Florida. Less reef = less fish = barren oceans. |
Exactly right Carno... it's not just that it's a small part of the ocean, it's that it's large part of prime ocean front.
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Ok so again, it takes up a area = 31 football fields. So we can at least assume it's a circular or at leave oval area this is taking up. I'm sure it's not a straight line right up the coast.
If Florida is going to lose even 1$ in it's fish industry I would be astounded. Barren Oceans? Come on... that's taking overly dramatic to new heights. Large part of prime oceanfront? Again, that is simply an amazing over exaggeration. Think about it, the absurd amount of fishing area, scuba area, around florida, Do you, in all honestly believe this will effect a single thing? Besides a fishing boat might have to move about 10 minutes away once in awhile? |
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In case you don't know, Broward County consists of 31 cities, many of them oceanfront, including Fort Lauderdale. They all depend on tourism dollars to some degree. People who come for the beaches spend money, people who don't come to beaches don't bring tourist dollars. Simple, no loss of fishing has to be the reason of economic loss. People who thought like you must have been on the original council. Because the reality: Quote:
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Gimme a break, I've been to a TON of the florida beaches, if all you see wash onto shore is part of a tire, You're fucking lucky. I've seen much worse.
The reality is, they are trying to do something to improve the oceans, and I'll put money 99.9999% of the people whining about this, have never done a damn thing to try to improve anything for their community, let alone something as large scale as an ocean shoreline. It would be naive to the "T" if anyone believed they did this and didn't know about any other incident that occured because of this, they thought they had a solution to the failures that occured before. So basically you're right, I do not care, but not because I don't live there, but because it's better to try and fail than to not even try. |
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When dealing with matters of this nature I feel it's best to adopt a "First do no harm" philosophy. You want to try to make things better - that's all good and well - but you also have to weigh in the fact that you could make things worse; especially if history points to that outcome. They messed up. The good thing is that they know they messed up and are looking to fix it. However, if they had tested/researched the whole thing better maybe they wouldn't now be spending the extra money. Quote:
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Ocean engineering? Somebody was unclear on the concept of oceans, I guess.
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i don't have the time right now to look up the scientific information / refs on this, but in spirit i have to essentially side with menoman in this case. on the specifics here - my first thought is to wonder if these tire reefs aren't the research phase of these artificial reefs. i would think that if they had been successful, they would have been much more widely deployed. they failed, and now this idea will be scrapped. to me, that really depends on the scale of the current deployment, and the variation in the conditions in which they were deployed.
as to the general spirit behind "Maybe we need to just leave things alone as they are and as they have been for thousands of years before we decide to "know better."" - well, i think i understand the frustration that you feel when things like this happen, cyn. unfortunately, unless you think we can pull a mass thundar the barbarian, everyone give up their cars and central ac and internet and tv and airline travel and grocery stores and so forth - its a moot point. our very way of living is, at its core, not "leaving things alone as they have been for thousands of years." we're doing an awful lot, in very different ways from the way the earth existed for thousands of years. therefore, i personally feel we have an obligation to understand our actions and try to be proactive. we're going to make mistakes, but i don't see how we have much of a choice. |
I wonder if they can start a new type of eco-cleanup tourism for the people who would be willing to dive and help out with the cleanup? (Sarcastic, simply becuase Im unimpressed with the obvious lack of testing on their part).
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Now if you're interested in creating a breakwater or jetty, to protect the oceanfront condos and homes via giant boulders placed to calm waves. It also has it's caveats but last time I saw rocks on a beach they were a.) natural and organic b.) eroded normally via surf. |
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