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dc_dux · 12-12-2006, 03:19 PM

...that is "threatening to tear apart our culture" is the soybean

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There's a slow poison out there that's severely damaging our children and threatening to tear apart our culture. The ironic part is, it's a "health food," one of our most popular.
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Soy is feminizing, and commonly leads to a decrease in the size of the penis, sexual confusion and homosexuality. That's why most of the medical (not socio-spiritual) blame for today's rise in homosexuality must fall upon the rise in soy formula and other soy products

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327

mixedmedia · 12-12-2006, 03:31 PM

Soy...the devil's bean.

Willravel · 12-12-2006, 03:33 PM

Soy is actually not safe uin large amounts for men, as it is linked to Alzheimers in males.

jorgelito · 12-12-2006, 03:39 PM

Um, unless there are credible sources for this claim, this really belongs in Tilted Nonsense. Is there a source for the Alzheiner's claim? If so, then half of Asian must have Alzheimer's....

Gilda · 12-12-2006, 04:12 PM

This article is utter nonsense. Soy contains natural phytoestrogens (as do virtually all plants*), not estrogens, which cannot be converted into estrogens in the human body and have a tiny fraction of the effect natural or synthetic estrogens have on humans. Phytoestrogens can behave in some similar ways to estrogens in the human body, in that they may help to lower cholesterol and benefit the lipid profile, though whether this effect is due to overall diet or the direct effect of the phytoestrogens is unknown.

Equating phytoestrogens to estrogens is like equating salycylic acid to sulfuric acid. They're both acids, true, but one will kill you if you drink it while the other will make your headache go away and help prevent heart attacks.

As for the major claim here, that it induces homosexuality (I presume in males), this is not supported by the evidence. The best evidence available shows that male homosexuality is an inborn trait most likely with both a genetic and a gestational hormone cause.

*One popular alternative to synthetic estradiol for treatment of post menopausal and post hysterectomy women is estradiol valerate, a prodrug of estradiol made from wild yams. However, the yams must be thoroughly and heavily processed to produce the drug; there is no natural, unprocessed herbal source of estrogens that comes anywhere close to what the body does on its own.

Topper · 12-12-2006, 04:48 PM

so ask yourself this, why would god make a plant that would turn people gay.....

analog · 12-12-2006, 05:19 PM

One line of commentary and three lines taken out of an article are not a General Discussion thread. Thread starter is welcome to PM me a real post to foster discussion, to reopen this thread.

12-12-2006, 03:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
mixedmedia has all her shots. Location: Florida	Soy...the devil's bean. __________________ Most people go through life dreading they'll have a traumatic experience. Freaks were born with their trauma. They've already passed their test in life. They're aristocrats. - Diane Arbus PESSIMISM, n. A philosophy forced upon the convictions of the observer by the disheartening prevalence of the optimist with his scarecrow hope and his unsightly smile. - Ambrose Bierce

12-12-2006, 04:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
Gilda 32 flavors and then some Location: Out on a wire.	This article is utter nonsense. Soy contains natural phytoestrogens (as do virtually all plants), not estrogens, which cannot be converted into estrogens in the human body and have a tiny fraction of the effect natural or synthetic estrogens have on humans. Phytoestrogens can behave in some similar ways to estrogens in the human body, in that they may help to lower cholesterol and benefit the lipid profile, though whether this effect is due to overall diet or the direct effect of the phytoestrogens is unknown. Equating phytoestrogens to estrogens is like equating salycylic acid to sulfuric acid. They're both acids, true, but one will kill you if you drink it while the other will make your headache go away and help prevent heart attacks. As for the major claim here, that it induces homosexuality (I presume in males), this is not supported by the evidence. The best evidence available shows that male homosexuality is an inborn trait most likely with both a genetic and a gestational hormone cause. One popular alternative to synthetic estradiol for treatment of post menopausal and post hysterectomy women is estradiol valerate, a prodrug of estradiol made from wild yams. However, the yams must be thoroughly and heavily processed to produce the drug; there is no natural, unprocessed herbal source of estrogens that comes anywhere close to what the body does on its own. __________________ I'm against ending blackness. I believe that everyone has a right to be black, it's a choice, and I support that. ~Steven Colbert Last edited by Gilda; 12-12-2006 at 04:15 PM..

12-12-2006, 03:33 PM	#3 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Soy is actually not safe uin large amounts for men, as it is linked to Alzheimers in males.

12-12-2006, 03:39 PM	#4 (permalink)
jorgelito All important elusive independent swing voter... Location: People's Republic of KKKalifornia	Um, unless there are credible sources for this claim, this really belongs in Tilted Nonsense. Is there a source for the Alzheiner's claim? If so, then half of Asian must have Alzheimer's....

12-12-2006, 04:48 PM	#6 (permalink)
Topper Tilted Location: Seattle	so ask yourself this, why would god make a plant that would turn people gay.....

12-12-2006, 05:19 PM	#7 (permalink)
analog Banned	One line of commentary and three lines taken out of an article are not a General Discussion thread. Thread starter is welcome to PM me a real post to foster discussion, to reopen this thread.