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ironman · 10-05-2006, 07:51 AM

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/064...r,74593,6.html

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Daddy's Girl
Millionaire Bruce McMahan loved his daughter so much, he married her.
by Kelly Cramer
September 27th, 2006 1:08 PM

Editor's note:
This article appeared originally in the Broward-Palm Beach New Times. You can view a cache of documents related to the story here.
A secret sexual relationship with his daughter was not enough.

There had to be a wedding.

And it had to be a grand celebration befitting a Fisher Island, Florida, multimillionaire who controls billions from Wall Street to Bermuda, from London to Dubai.

So on a sunny June day two years ago, father and daughter exchanged rings at Westminster Abbey.

They couldn't follow convention by inviting friends or family, and they couldn't make an announcement that they'd eloped.

There was no white dress and no officiant.

D. Bruce McMahan, then 65, and his daughter Linda Marie Hodge McMahan Schutt, then 35, pronounced themselves husband and wife on June 23, 2004.

It was their secret.

Except for a few traditional photographs, it was a wholly unconventional and unholy union.

Several shots show off their new Cartier Trinity rings — hers diamond, his three shades of gold. In other frames, they look the happy couple — cheek to cheek, faces glowing, and the Abbey's Little Cloister garden a royal backdrop. Afterward, she flew home to her legal spouse in Mississippi and he went home to his compound on Fisher Island, a ferry ride from Miami.

From different states, they traded their wedding photos back and forth over e-mail.

He talked about touching up her redeye. She declared her favorite the photo of their hands wearing their new rings, his hand on hers, which they had titled: "Says it ALL." Using codes, they addressed each other in the e-mails as husband and wife. "They are great pictures," McMahan wrote in one of their daily exchanges. "But they tell a story, so pay attention to what happens to them."

With their secret still safe, McMahan filed to divorce his fifth wife, and Linda moved out of the home she shared with her husband.

McMahan began spending more time at the plush Fisher Island retreat he'd built for his hedge-fund clients. Linda moved into a nearby condo, leaving behind her career as a psychologist.

Linda enjoyed the trappings of life with one of America's richest money managers, racking up a $74,000 bill at Barney's New York.

He enjoyed lavishing her with jewels, a Bentley Continental GT, and a Versace Club membership.

He put her on his corporate payroll. They celebrated regularly with bottles of expensive Opus One wine.

But when Christmas 2004 came along, they resumed roles as father and daughter. They needed to keep up appearances, for the sake of their families and to protect their secret.

Family snapshots show their return to normal. She put her legal husband's rings back on her left hand and moved the Trinity ring to her right hand.

Bruce and Linda in Paris in an undated photo.
They didn't know it then, but their secret was safe for only a few more days. McMahan was right: The photos do tell quite a story.

What followed was a breakup on an even grander scale than their wedding and a legal battle every bit as obsessive as each has been about the other.

For more than a year, attorneys have been kept busy in Miami, New York, Mississippi, and San Diego with the fallout over the breakup of McMahan and Linda in five lawsuits involving not only father and daughter but also their legal spouses, as well as Linda's current boyfriend and soon-to-be father of her child. Details of McMahan and Linda's extraordinary wedding at Westminster Abbey and their years as lovers come from court documents as well as Linda's videotaped deposition, which New Times has made available online.

In court papers, McMahan denies that he ever had a sexual affair with his daughter. But he doesn't explain how his and Linda's DNA turned up on a vibrator that Linda's husband uncovered in her luggage. McMahan also hints that Linda may not be his biological daughter, despite a DNA test he paid for showing with 99.7 percent probability that he is her father.

I saw this on other forum a few days ago, and of course it seemed sick to me. A Father should never marry his daughter, that's plain sick. But then, someone made a commentary that got me thinking, this guy posted that he didn't undestanded why everyone was condemning this when the two of them, father and daughter, were consenting adults (65 and 35) and when we live in a time when most of the people doesn't see anything wrong about gay marriage.
It wasn't long enough that society thought of homosexuality as a depravation, just as incest, but times have changed and times will still change, these days gay people have more rights than any other time in the christian age, so, is it ridicolous to think that in a few years incestuos relations will be recognized as legal ones? Given the condition that they don't inbreed, i really don't see, in the light of present time marriage changes, any obstacle to legalize incestuos marriages.
What do you think?

Aro23 · 10-05-2006, 07:57 AM

that's just wrong but then again it's only my opinion

Carno · 10-05-2006, 08:05 AM

An odd thing indeed.

I wonder if they're boning?

Sultana · 10-05-2006, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Carno

I wonder if they're boning?

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In court papers, McMahan denies that he ever had a sexual affair with his daughter. But he doesn't explain how his and Linda's DNA turned up on a vibrator that Linda's husband uncovered in her luggage.

Ya wondering now?

Ew.

I will contribute more to this thread once I get over my innate disgust over the concept.

feelgood · 10-05-2006, 08:11 AM

I can understand why gay marriage is "unholy" but why is incestous marriage is considered to be even worst? After all, according to the bible, god created man and woman. Sure, they're unrelated, but in order to start the human race, ya gotta reproduce right? So Adam and Eve have kids, who are the kids gonna reproduce with? Yep, you guess it right, each other...so I guess that's incestous...

I like to see how the bible explain that part and yet, forbid incestous relationships...

Carno · 10-05-2006, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Sultana

Ya wondering now?

Ew.

I will contribute more to this thread once I get over my innate disgust over the concept.

Eeeeewww...

I didn't read the whole article, so I didn't catch that.

GROSS!

ngdawg · 10-05-2006, 08:19 AM

On the one hand, it's a gross concept indeed. On the other, they are consenting adults. But she's a psychologist???

And I always thought it pretty funny my dad sends me dirty jokes.....
These multi-millionaires are a strange lot.

lurkette · 10-05-2006, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ngdawg

But she's a psychologist???

My thoughts exactly.

I guess they're consenting adults...the rest of us can go "eeew" and shake our heads and think it's wrong, but not much we can do about it besides say it's not healthy. But then neither are many relationships between unrelated people.

hagatha · 10-05-2006, 09:11 AM

There's a good reason incest is wrong, biologically its unsound and weakens the species. Comparing incest to gay unions is, in my opinion, corrupting the concept of love and relationships. Biologically homosexuality makes a lot of sense in terms of keeping the population in tact, incest makes none. And why can't a father just love and protect his kids without it being sexual? Its incredibly selfish on his part to take on the role of lover in his daughter's life. She obviously has some issues to deal with as well.
It is, overall, a very "ewy" situation.

Carno · 10-05-2006, 09:14 AM

If you don't think this is gross, just think about having sex with one of your parents!!

OMFG I need to go kill myself now.

GROSS GROSS GROSS GROSS GROSS GROSS GROSS

feelgood · 10-05-2006, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by hagatha

There's a good reason incest is wrong, biologically its unsound and weakens the species.

Wanna explain how it weakens the species?

Cervantes · 10-05-2006, 09:34 AM

I find this interesting, not "Interesting" but anyway.. Biologically incest is counterproductive, gives rise to many forms of genetical problems in the offspring. Well, it was counterproductive anyway. Now, when reproduction is controllable, does that really matter any more..
Mentally many of us has a block, a form of mental stop when it comes to mixing even the thoughts of familymembers and sex. Yet still, incest is a huge part of the online written erotica. Forbiden fruit is often imagined to taste the best for some reason.

To the bible reference where Adam and Eve's children are accused of incest, the answer I got when I asked a local minister about that was that Adam and Eve is the first of the Jewish people (Gods chosen people). Which makes sense since if you read Genesis you see that God created Humans to his own likeness before creating Adam and Eve. So there were a lot of non-jews around for them to take their mates from.

kurty[B] · 10-05-2006, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Carno

If you don't think this is gross, just think about having sex with one of your parents!!

Blech, I think I just threw up in my mouth.

But hey, they're rich, and being wealthy makes everything fine just fine right?

Chamaeleontidae · 10-05-2006, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by feelgood

Wanna explain how it weakens the species?

Interbreeding can cause a whole host of issues (like hemophilia in the European royalty of the middle ages) Basically when you are wading in a shallow gene pool, all the defects / submissive traits in the dna strand can come to the surface. It doesn't weaken the whole species, until they start breeeding with the wider population again, and these (1 in a hundred billion) defects become (1 in 1000) defects.

As for the thread concept in general. They were married at 35 / 65, but there is no way of nowing when the "relations" actually began. Take your pick 10/40, 15/45, 20/50... They are all still disturbing. Even though it was fine for the Royals to marry cousins, nices, etc..., I just can't see it...

stevo · 10-05-2006, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by hagatha

Biologically homosexuality makes a lot of sense in terms of keeping the population in tact.

Can you explain this? homosexuality = no offspring. So how is it keeping the population in tact? If everyone were a homosexual the next generation would have a population of 0.

rockogre · 10-05-2006, 10:03 AM

EW! and well, EW!

Ustwo · 10-05-2006, 10:17 AM

Maybe its an elalborate tax dodge.

Thats what first came to mind to me.

Intense1 · 10-05-2006, 10:32 AM

I googled "Incest, Marriage Laws" and the first entry was Wikipedia, and there was quite a lot of info there (lots I didn't get into). Here's the link address, because I don't know how yet to do an actual link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest

As for the squick factor - it is indeed off the charts for me in reading this story. Yowsa, how sick are these people! They are the poster children for the "Money doesn't buy Taste" club.

Bill O'Rights · 10-05-2006, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

Maybe its an elalborate tax dodge.

Thats what first came to mind to me.

Now...why doesn't that surprise me? When I first read the OP, I knew that you were gonna come up with something along those lines.

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Originally Posted by ngdawg

But she's a psychologist???

You caught that too, huh? Physician heal thyself, anyone?

The "Ick factor" is off the scale, on this one. And, from what I see, most agree.
however...what if...they didn't know? I know, it doesn't apply in this case, but what if a situation arose where the two lovebirds didn't know that they were father/daughter, mother/son, brother/sister...whatever?
Cervantes pointed out that; "Mentally many of us has a block, a form of mental stop when it comes to mixing even the thoughts of familymembers and sex." Is that biological? Or is that learned behavior?

Ustwo · 10-05-2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill O'Rights

Now...why doesn't that surprise me? When I first read the OP, I knew that you were gonna come up with something along those lines.

No idea, because its logical?

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Cervantes pointed out that; "Mentally many of us has a block, a form of mental stop when it comes to mixing even the thoughts of familymembers and sex." Is that biological? Or is that learned behavior?

Its both, its learned behavior due to instinct. We have an instinct NOT to mate with those we grew up with, its been shown many times (I don't have time to list them), this creates a natural aversion to incest. Also brother/sisters who are raised appart have a greater than normal chance of falling in love. Likewise non-realted children raised together rarely marry or have children together, even when that was the intended outcome. It would be interesting if the father raised her in this case or not (and by raised I mean be a dad, not just be in the same big house somewhere). This instinct is considered weakest between fathers-daughters.

stevie667 · 10-05-2006, 11:03 AM

Er, i'm gona go with biological, inbreeding serves no-one any good. Theres a little bit of research into the area, i'll have a mosey through some of my books and report back.

Edit: i mean, nasty! Incest is a taboo for a damned good reason!

Cervantes · 10-05-2006, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill O'Rights

Cervantes pointed out that; "Mentally many of us has a block, a form of mental stop when it comes to mixing even the thoughts of familymembers and sex." Is that biological? Or is that learned behavior?

I would be very hesitant to say that it is biological, simply because I have yet to read a study of this. But taken from what we know.. I would guess that we have a mild genetical distaste for reproduction with people who are closely related. The same kind of distaste we have for people we feel are genetically inferior to us.
That distaste is then amplified by social means.

EDIT: Ustwo I would be very interested in reading the study you are citing, could I be so bold as to ask for a reference?

Ustwo · 10-05-2006, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Cervantes

EDIT: Ustwo I would be very interested in reading the study you are citing, could I be so bold as to ask for a reference?

Its at home, so no idea when I'll have time. Its more than one study.

Cervantes · 10-05-2006, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

Its at home, so no idea when I'll have time. Its more than one study.

Oh goodie more than one, anyway whenever you have time I would really appreicate it.

Jimellow · 10-05-2006, 11:23 AM

I've found that the area in which I live and the people I've met is limited in terms of partners I would want to spend the rest of my life with. To narrow that area down to immediate family is just absurd. But that's just me.

However, if these two feel that their life is bettered as a result of their marriage, then the opinions of others shouldn't really matter much. Though it should be expected that most people will be turned off, even disgusted, by it.

sapiens · 10-05-2006, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

Likewise non-realted children raised together rarely marry or have children together, even when that was the intended outcome.

It's often called the Westermarck effect. See the references below for evidence of the Westermarck effect in Israeli kibbutz.

Shepher, J. (1971). Mate selection among second-generation kibbutz adolescents:
avoidance and negative imprinting. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 1:293-
Shepher, J. (1983). Incest: A biosocial view. Academic Press: New York.

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It would be interesting if the father raised her in this case or not (and by raised I mean be a dad, not just be in the same big house somewhere). This instinct is considered weakest between fathers-daughters.

Paternity uncertainty at work.

absorbentishe · 10-05-2006, 01:32 PM

Maybe he is just so in love with his wife/her mother, and she looks just like her, that he's attracted to her? My brother is dating women that look and act exactly like his ex?

I guess there wouldn't be an inheritance tax from your husband? So she's going to get all the money and the gov't none. That could be...

magictoy · 10-05-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by hagatha

There's a good reason incest is wrong, biologically its unsound and weakens the species. Comparing incest to gay unions is, in my opinion, corrupting the concept of love and relationships. Biologically homosexuality makes a lot of sense in terms of keeping the population in tact, incest makes none. And why can't a father just love and protect his kids without it being sexual? Its incredibly selfish on his part to take on the role of lover in his daughter's life. She obviously has some issues to deal with as well.
It is, overall, a very "ewy" situation.

The fart in the submarine here, which no one mentions, but everyone is aware of, is that if this father and daughter don't reproduce, every argument made to justify homosexual relationships applies.

Why is it anyone else's business? Consenting adults. They can adopt.

Conversely, many, if not most on the right would say that homosexuality also corrupts the concept of love and relationships. It's a classic case of not being able to have it both ways, especially if you are homosexual and judging these two.

What was the reason homosexuality keeps the population intact?

ironman · 10-05-2006, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by magictoy

The fart in the submarine here, which no one mentions, but everyone is aware of, is that if this father and daughter don't reproduce, every argument made to justify homosexual relationships applies.

That's just the reason that made me thin twice about this situation, Wouldn't be discriminatory to legalize same sex marriage and keep illegal incestous marriage if they consent to not inbreed?
Isn't one of the many justifications for gay marriage that they have the same right to be happy and treated equally than everybody else?
And going even further, shouldn't then poligamy be accepted as well, none of the problems associated with incestous relations and gay marriages exist there...

Grasshopper Green · 10-05-2006, 02:02 PM

Just an interesting observation in case anyone didn't click the link and read the entire story, because there was quite a bit besides what was posted...

He didn't know about her until she was 20. From what I gathered, her father had a fling or something with her mother, and then married another woman shortly after. The daughter was given up for adoption and at 18 sought out her birth parents. He had no idea she existed until the mother contacted him when the daughter was 20. After that, he started helping her financially and began to invite her to family functions and the like. Their sexual relationship began several years before the marriage. Basically...she wasn't raised by him, they formed their relationships (familial as well as sexual) AFTER she was an adult.

Regardless of that, it's still gross to me.

ironman · 10-05-2006, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by magictoy

The fart in the submarine here, which no one mentions, but everyone is aware of, is that if this father and daughter don't reproduce, every argument made to justify homosexual relationships applies.

That's just the reason that made me thin twice about this situation, Wouldn't be discriminatory to legalize same sex marriage and keep illegal incestous marriage if they consent to not inbreed?
Isn't one of the many justifications for gay marriage that they have the same right to be happy and treated equally than everybody else?
And going even further, shouldn't then poligamy be accepted as well, none of the problems associated with incestous relations and gay marriages exist there...
And don't get me wrong, as you can see in my OP i'm not saying that gay marriage is opening the pandora's box, but that society chnages constantly, and that I think that in a future (not near by the way), this kind of conduct could be widely accepted.

Reading Medusa's post, i couldn't but think about "Old Boy", what a great movie by the way...

kurty[B] · 10-05-2006, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Medusa

Just an interesting observation in case anyone didn't click the link and read the entire story, because there was quite a bit besides what was posted...

He didn't know about her until she was 20. From what I gathered, her father had a fling or something with her mother, and then married another woman shortly after. The daughter was given up for adoption and at 18 sought out her birth parents. He had no idea she existed until the mother contacted him when the daughter was 20. After that, he started helping her financially and began to invite her to family functions and the like. Their sexual relationship began several years before the marriage. Basically...she wasn't raised by him, they formed their relationships (familial as well as sexual) AFTER she was an adult.

Regardless of that, it's still gross to me.

This makes much more sense, I should've clicked the link. Still makes me shudder. Like not a little shudder, like almost convulse out of my chair shudder.

Coppertop · 10-05-2006, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill O'Rights

Now...why doesn't that surprise me? When I first read the OP, I knew that you were gonna come up with something along those lines.

To be fair, it's the first thing that popped into my mind too, and I normally do not think along these lines.

I wonder if she's read Oedipus Rex?

Ustwo · 10-05-2006, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Medusa

Just an interesting observation in case anyone didn't click the link and read the entire story, because there was quite a bit besides what was posted...

He didn't know about her until she was 20. From what I gathered, her father had a fling or something with her mother, and then married another woman shortly after. The daughter was given up for adoption and at 18 sought out her birth parents. He had no idea she existed until the mother contacted him when the daughter was 20. After that, he started helping her financially and began to invite her to family functions and the like. Their sexual relationship began several years before the marriage. Basically...she wasn't raised by him, they formed their relationships (familial as well as sexual) AFTER she was an adult.

Regardless of that, it's still gross to me.

Yea that makes sense then.

Kali · 10-05-2006, 03:31 PM

I always thought some kind of alarm went off when you were getting too friendly with someone in your immediate family?

I use to get the willies if my brother even got too close to me. Yuk! Ugh! Although we did wrestle but that was different.

Zeraph · 10-05-2006, 03:38 PM

Whatever, so long as they don't breed.

Lady Sage · 10-05-2006, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ngdawg

On the one hand, it's a gross concept indeed. On the other, they are consenting adults. But she's a psychologist???

And I always thought it pretty funny my dad sends me dirty jokes.....
These multi-millionaires are a strange lot.

She must like Sigmund Freud...

Necrosis · 10-05-2006, 07:07 PM

Well, my first cousin was hot. I saw her once every couple of years.

We never got romantic, but I thought about it a couple of times. Maybe I'm sicker than this guy, if he didn't hook up with her until she was 20.

Bill O'Rights · 10-05-2006, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Necrosis

Well, my first cousin was hot. We never got romantic, but I thought about it a couple of times.

If I had a nickel, for everytime that I heard "My cousin is so freakin' hot. Man, if she weren't my cousin, I'd bone her fifteen ways to Sunday." (an actual quote from a friend of mine, by the way)

So...
Parents, grandparents and such...definately out. Right?
Siblings...ok to recognize nice tits, or a tight ass, but other than that...definately out.
First cousins...no guilt over sporting a woody, maybe a little groping...but nothing really more than that. Right?
Anything more distant...fair game?

I just wanna get the rules, 'cause while I, myself, had (well, I guess I still have) a pretty attractive cousin...I always found her to be annoying as hell. It's hard to be sexually attracted to someone that you want to strangle.

I am an "only child", therefore, by sheer definition...no siblings. I did, however, have a close friend that had a drop dead gorgeous sister. I always wondered how he could not...y'know. But, it was his sister. Having no siblings, I could not empathize. But I still wonder, to this day, if he didn't at least think about it.

Zyr · 10-06-2006, 02:54 AM

I really see no problem with this. Whatever floats your boat (assuming no reproducing). I think with the progress that gay marriage has made, marriage, and sex, no longer have to have any biological or even religious significance (though they do to many people).

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And going even further, shouldn't then poligamy be accepted as well, none of the problems associated with incestous relations and gay marriages exist there...

Poligamy is another one of those things I have no problem with. I think it's likely that the laws against poligamy are more about trying to stop the culture that poligamy exists in, where wives are considered property, than they are to do with any really moral problems.

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Carno Junkie	An odd thing indeed. I wonder if they're boning? __________________ http://how-to-spell-ridiculous.com/

10-05-2006, 08:11 AM	#5 (permalink)
feelgood Free Mars! Location: I dunno, there's white people around me saying "eh" all the time	I can understand why gay marriage is "unholy" but why is incestous marriage is considered to be even worst? After all, according to the bible, god created man and woman. Sure, they're unrelated, but in order to start the human race, ya gotta reproduce right? So Adam and Eve have kids, who are the kids gonna reproduce with? Yep, you guess it right, each other...so I guess that's incestous... I like to see how the bible explain that part and yet, forbid incestous relationships... __________________ Looking out the window, that's an act of war. Staring at my shoes, that's an act of war. Committing an act of war? Oh you better believe that's an act of war

10-05-2006, 08:19 AM	#7 (permalink)
ngdawg peekaboo Location: on the back, bitch	On the one hand, it's a gross concept indeed. On the other, they are consenting adults. But she's a psychologist??? And I always thought it pretty funny my dad sends me dirty jokes..... These multi-millionaires are a strange lot. __________________ Don't blame me. I didn't vote for either of'em. Last edited by ngdawg; 10-05-2006 at 09:16 AM..

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hagatha Addict	There's a good reason incest is wrong, biologically its unsound and weakens the species. Comparing incest to gay unions is, in my opinion, corrupting the concept of love and relationships. Biologically homosexuality makes a lot of sense in terms of keeping the population in tact, incest makes none. And why can't a father just love and protect his kids without it being sexual? Its incredibly selfish on his part to take on the role of lover in his daughter's life. She obviously has some issues to deal with as well. It is, overall, a very "ewy" situation. __________________ Thats the last time I trust the strangest people I ever met....H. Simpson

10-05-2006, 09:14 AM	#10 (permalink)
Carno Junkie	If you don't think this is gross, just think about having sex with one of your parents!! OMFG I need to go kill myself now. GROSS GROSS GROSS GROSS GROSS GROSS GROSS __________________ http://how-to-spell-ridiculous.com/

10-05-2006, 07:57 AM	#2 (permalink)
Aro23 Crazy	that's just wrong but then again it's only my opinion

10-05-2006, 09:34 AM	#12 (permalink)
Cervantes Psycho Location: Above you	I find this interesting, not "Interesting" but anyway.. Biologically incest is counterproductive, gives rise to many forms of genetical problems in the offspring. Well, it was counterproductive anyway. Now, when reproduction is controllable, does that really matter any more.. Mentally many of us has a block, a form of mental stop when it comes to mixing even the thoughts of familymembers and sex. Yet still, incest is a huge part of the online written erotica. Forbiden fruit is often imagined to taste the best for some reason. To the bible reference where Adam and Eve's children are accused of incest, the answer I got when I asked a local minister about that was that Adam and Eve is the first of the Jewish people (Gods chosen people). Which makes sense since if you read Genesis you see that God created Humans to his own likeness before creating Adam and Eve. So there were a lot of non-jews around for them to take their mates from. __________________ - "Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned.." - "Religions take everything that your DNA naturally wants to do to survive and pro-create and makes it wrong." - "There is only one absolute truth and that is that there is only one absolute truth."

10-05-2006, 10:03 AM	#16 (permalink)
rockogre I aim to misbehave! Location: SW Oklahoma	EW! and well, EW! __________________ Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American G. I. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom

10-05-2006, 10:17 AM	#17 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	Maybe its an elalborate tax dodge. Thats what first came to mind to me. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

10-05-2006, 10:32 AM	#18 (permalink)
Intense1 Crazy Location: Music City burbs	I googled "Incest, Marriage Laws" and the first entry was Wikipedia, and there was quite a lot of info there (lots I didn't get into). Here's the link address, because I don't know how yet to do an actual link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest As for the squick factor - it is indeed off the charts for me in reading this story. Yowsa, how sick are these people! They are the poster children for the "Money doesn't buy Taste" club. __________________ (none yet, still thinkin') Last edited by Intense1; 10-05-2006 at 10:33 AM.. Reason: Hey, the link did itself! Cool

10-05-2006, 11:03 AM	#21 (permalink)
stevie667 Too Awesome for Aardvarks Location: Angloland	Er, i'm gona go with biological, inbreeding serves no-one any good. Theres a little bit of research into the area, i'll have a mosey through some of my books and report back. Edit: i mean, nasty! Incest is a taboo for a damned good reason! __________________ Office hours have changed. Please call during office hours for more information.

10-05-2006, 11:23 AM	#25 (permalink)
Jimellow Junkie	I've found that the area in which I live and the people I've met is limited in terms of partners I would want to spend the rest of my life with. To narrow that area down to immediate family is just absurd. But that's just me. However, if these two feel that their life is bettered as a result of their marriage, then the opinions of others shouldn't really matter much. Though it should be expected that most people will be turned off, even disgusted, by it. __________________ Desperation is no excuse for lowering one's standards.

10-05-2006, 01:32 PM	#27 (permalink)
absorbentishe Boy am I horny today Location: T O L E D O, Toledo!!	Maybe he is just so in love with his wife/her mother, and she looks just like her, that he's attracted to her? My brother is dating women that look and act exactly like his ex? I guess there wouldn't be an inheritance tax from your husband? So she's going to get all the money and the gov't none. That could be...

10-05-2006, 02:02 PM	#30 (permalink)
Grasshopper Green ...is a comical chap Location: Where morons reign supreme	Just an interesting observation in case anyone didn't click the link and read the entire story, because there was quite a bit besides what was posted... He didn't know about her until she was 20. From what I gathered, her father had a fling or something with her mother, and then married another woman shortly after. The daughter was given up for adoption and at 18 sought out her birth parents. He had no idea she existed until the mother contacted him when the daughter was 20. After that, he started helping her financially and began to invite her to family functions and the like. Their sexual relationship began several years before the marriage. Basically...she wasn't raised by him, they formed their relationships (familial as well as sexual) AFTER she was an adult. Regardless of that, it's still gross to me. __________________ "They say that patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings; steal a little and they throw you in jail, steal a lot and they make you king" Formerly Medusa

10-05-2006, 03:31 PM	#35 (permalink)
Kali Upright	I always thought some kind of alarm went off when you were getting too friendly with someone in your immediate family? I use to get the willies if my brother even got too close to me. Yuk! Ugh! Although we did wrestle but that was different. __________________ "According to the map we've only gone four inches" -Dumb and Dumber

10-05-2006, 03:38 PM	#36 (permalink)
Zeraph Banned Location: The Cosmos	Whatever, so long as they don't breed.

10-05-2006, 07:07 PM	#38 (permalink)
Necrosis Tilted	Well, my first cousin was hot. I saw her once every couple of years. We never got romantic, but I thought about it a couple of times. Maybe I'm sicker than this guy, if he didn't hook up with her until she was 20.