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Old 06-22-2006, 05:03 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Why not a little local sea cow? Or whale, whatever's handy.
The more I think about this...

Why not:

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It's just meat... let's eat!!!
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Old 06-22-2006, 05:24 AM   #42 (permalink)
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To me people's ignorance and lack of respect for animals and their lives is perhaps the greatest tragedy of all.

We as a human race seem to love the fact that we have the capabilities and the power to hunt and kill whatever it is we please. Be it human or animal, just because we can, we do.

Having the resources to be able to do something does not justify the act itself.
I'm just curious of what you think of the tribes that have hunted whales for generations, never depleting stocks, using all the parts etc. Some of the tribes revere the animals with such reverence and respect .
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Old 06-22-2006, 08:00 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Whales are cute. They have those big eyes, they are sleek and graceful, they sing songs.

I want to save the endangered Guatemalan Tree Slug. You too can help this animal by going to the Guatemalan rain forest and picking up Tree Slugs and putting them in a basket. You see, it takes several years for mating pairs to get together, due to their slow speed. By trapping them in baskets and then releasing them in a pile at night, you help the breeding population immensely.

Of course, that would take effort and money to save an ugly animal. Not as sexy as whales.

Oh, and to all those posters who say that healthy populations should be open for hunting, I ask this: What about over-population? In that case, there should be an open season on humans... Killing a few billion of us would help the environment more than saving whales. Or any other endangered species.
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Old 06-22-2006, 08:05 AM   #44 (permalink)
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You trust very easily.

See, I have been working in the big bad real world for 20 years. I can assure you that everything that happens happens for one reason and one reason only.

money.
I'm sitting in a library...because I work in a library, which, by the by, isn't just a safe haven for starry-eyed, college-age idealists and damn, dirty hippies. Of course, money makes the world go round and I'm sure it's doing its part to keep the IWC chugging along; I never suggested otherwise, but if we were to write off the notion of doing..well, anything simply because someone might make a buck off it, then I imagine we'd all probably still be hanging out in caves eating grubs. Then again, you've got 20 years experience in the 'big, bad, real world' so, what the fuck all do I know?

I don't know much about whaling, but if 30 some odd countries think it might be a good idea to start hunting whales again, then maybe it might be a good idea to start hunting whales again. The idea here seems to be conservation. If culling the whale herd responsibly serves as a catalyst to bring illegal whaling into line, and works to serve as compromise between the whaling industry and the conservationists, then kudos to the IWC.

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....killing a species that is intelligent, capable of thought, capable of communication between members, and is gentle and beautiful.
Gentle and beautiful? Sure, but how are whales any different from any other species that exhibit similar characteristics? Species, I might add, that we seem to have no problem eating and working in the fields.

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Of course, that would take effort and money to save an ugly animal. Not as sexy as whales.
Exactly. Here's a list of extinct animals (well, a list of lists...) from wikipedia that have gone missing under our stewardship. Well, just over the last 500 years or so...not too much on record before that. I guess we couldn't be bothered.

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Oh, and to all those posters who say that healthy populations should be open for hunting, I ask this: What about over-population? In that case, there should be an open season on humans... Killing a few billion of us would help the environment more than saving whales. Or any other endangered species.
I think we do a pretty good job of culling the herd ourselves without setting a date for open season. In any event, that presumes that humans and animals should be subject to the same rules.
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Old 06-22-2006, 11:16 AM   #45 (permalink)
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I'm just curious of what you think of the tribes that have hunted whales for generations, never depleting stocks, using all the parts etc. Some of the tribes revere the animals with such reverence and respect .
This is where this issue takes a double standard for me. If a person is starving, has no other means to have food, and makes use of every possible part of the animal.....who am I to say not to kill it?? Odviously if an animal is respected in the way that you mentioned then there is not much of a worry for extinction.

I really think that is an exception though and RARELY occurs in this day and age within our modern society.
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Old 06-22-2006, 12:34 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Mmmmmm whale sushi. I wonder if I can get that with a side of baby seal?
baby seals are the best. I was watching a show on polar bears the other night and finally, after 30 minutes the bear finally got one of those baby seals. He looked like he was having fun eating it. He looked like he could have used a coke.

What I don't understand is that usually the same people who fear the world is going to end soon because of global warming and human actions also want to save the whales and whatnot. I ask, whats the fucking point? If the worlds going to end hunt whales all you want because they're gonna die in the sulfuric ocean anyway.
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Old 06-22-2006, 01:22 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Wow.

Well... when they domesticate the whale and have feed lots for whales... let's talk about the equivalence of whales to cows. Until then, realize the whales are still an endangered species.

Greed and avarice will hunt them to extinction. It is always, "what's one more going to hurt?" until they are no more...

You know, I'd love a little passenger pigeon pie... What's one more going to hurt?
Look, I din't say they should be hunted to extinction. People poach them already. They arn't going to poach more if its legal. If it's legal, and we (and I do not mean us, or the US) place restrictions on it, I don't see the overall problem.

I realize I can't compare them directly to cows, but hey... Food is food. I hunt deer, and eat those... Does that make me a morally wrong person? No. Granted deer can now be compared to pests, they produce so rapidly, but still. I don't feel it unjustified to eat something else, regardless of what it is.

Keep in mind that in the middle east you could be shot for eating a cow... At least whales aren't religiously sacred!

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The more I think about this...

Why not:

Elephant
Lion
Gorilla
Leopard
Giant Panda



It's just meat... let's eat!!!
If you offered me each and every one of those cooked on a plater, I would try every single one of them. If they tasted good, I'd ask for more, if not I wouldn't.

Of course, BigBen is right...

Out of context, but... If you want to help all those endagered species, the best idea would be eliminating humans. We kill more shit through building cities than we do through hunting.

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Old 06-22-2006, 01:30 PM   #48 (permalink)
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This is where this issue takes a double standard for me. If a person is starving, has no other means to have food, and makes use of every possible part of the animal.....who am I to say not to kill it?? Odviously if an animal is respected in the way that you mentioned then there is not much of a worry for extinction.

I really think that is an exception though and RARELY occurs in this day and age within our modern society.

Intersting the IWC already addresses this issue directly:

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The IWC allows small communities, mainly in the Arctic and the Caribbean, to hunt in what it calls "aboriginal subsistence whaling", for food.
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Old 06-22-2006, 02:48 PM   #49 (permalink)
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I don't have a problem with "aboriginal subsistence whaling" that is an entirely different thing to the industrial harvest of whales.
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Old 06-22-2006, 04:56 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Much agreed Charlatan. There is a fine line between "NEED" and "GREED" in this world.
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Old 06-22-2006, 05:06 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Australia is to present what it says is proof that Japan's scientific whaling programme is cruel, to the meeting of the International Whaling Commission.

Environmentalists who filmed Japanese boats whaling in the Antarctic say that some animals took 30 minutes to die. Japan says these cases are exceptions.

Caribbean nations have criticised the West for a "colonial" attitude.

Australian Environment Minister Ian Campbell is due to present the report during Sunday's deliberations.

Early sessions on Sunday saw a fourth straight defeat for Japan, this time on a motion calling for the abolition of the Southern Ocean whale sanctuary.

Japan currently conducts "scientific" whaling there as it is permitted to do under IWC rules, but commercial hunting in the Antarctic would not be possible while the sanctuary exists.

Time to death

During the last Antarctic whaling season, which saw a doubling of Japan's annual "scientific" catch to just over 1,000, Greenpeace filmed a number of kills at close range.

It's simply impossible for the harpooner to hit the whale close enough to the brain to ensure a reliable clean kill in all cases

Vassili Papastavrou, Ifaw
The footage has now been analysed by scientists working with another conservation group, the International Fund for Animal Welfare (Ifaw).

"We found that for one whale the time to death was over half an hour; we found that the average time to death was 10 minutes," said Ifaw's Vassili Papastavrou, "and in two out of the 16 occasions, asphyxiation was the likely form of death."

The whales were asphyxiated, he said, because harpoons entered their bodies near the tail and the animals were held upside down in the water.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5091674.stm

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Old 06-22-2006, 06:14 PM   #52 (permalink)
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You know, lots of you throw the term 'whale' around as if there was only one type of whale and that it was endangered.

This is obviously not the case.

There are at least 76 species of whale.

Ten are protected by the endangered species act.

Did anyone complaining in this thread, think to ask, WHAT whales are in question here?

I detect more of a 'I don't like hunting' than a 'I have a clue about whales' vibe going on here.

I have no desire to eat whale meat, but I am not going to let my local bias decide what is best for the rest of the world because I find the thought of eating them 'icky'.

I find it also disgusting that Asians eat dogs and that Europeans eat horses, lets work on whining about that too.
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Old 06-22-2006, 09:06 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Yea I was going to say do anyone know what whales they are talking about
I know they aleast talking about the minke whale and somewhere i read there was a population around 130000 species.
Then there is the pilot whale which tastes veery good. I have had some!! and I swear any of you would not know it was whale NO you would say wow thats got to be the best piece of beef I have every had (I know thats what I said when I had it).
Anyway it has been interesting reading ppl's ideas and opinion.

Just dont trust everything GP says they have more than an agenda and will squeev the truth cheat, steal and lie to their benefit ONLY
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Old 06-23-2006, 08:36 AM   #54 (permalink)
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I third Ustwo and Peladinho...

I also feel that this thread has degenerated to an argument, where very few peoples minds are open. It's more of people shouting they're moral beliefs, and trying to push the facts to the back side. Or using just some of them to support their beliefs, rather than look at the whole picture.

Hell, most deer taken down in legal hunting die of asphixiation... How you say!? Because you lodge an arrow or bullet into the kill zone, which is dominated by the lungs. Ideally they bleed out, and die that way, but most times they drown in the blood pouring into the lungs.

According to a hunters safety course, after you take a deer, you are supposed to wait 30 minutes to an hour before tracking the deer, because they can take that long to completly bleed out, and die.

No matter what, hunting of anything is a violent thing. Regular fish get killed by asphixiation too, how do you think those fish netted in, or hooked, and tossed in a bin die?? They drown in the air of course.
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Old 06-23-2006, 08:41 AM   #55 (permalink)
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The non whaling nations seem to survive just fine without hunting whales. I love all animals but I understand the fact that as a human I am a predator, so I am not above using animal related products (foods, medicne, etc.) but it seems that there are substitutes, synthetic and natural, for whale products that the killing of whales seems obsolete. Why kill an animal that is already dying out?
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Old 06-23-2006, 09:04 AM   #56 (permalink)
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Just dont trust everything GP says they have more than an agenda and will squeev the truth cheat, steal and lie to their benefit ONLY
Sorry, but how is Greenpeace benefitting themselves? Are they lining their pockets with filthy lucre? Are the people in Greenpeace living in palatial estates? Are they seeking fame? I don't understand what you are saying here...

If you *are* suggesting that they use any method available to forward their cause, then I might agree with you. But I would like to throw that back and ask how that differs from *any* corporation out there. They actually have been known to "lie, cheat and steal" to benefit themselves...

If I had to choose between two types of organizations that "lie, cheat and steal" I know which organization I would choose...


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Ustwo: once more, there is a big difference between eating dogs, deer and horses which are abundant and, in the case of some, thoroughly domesticated. It isn't a matter of to hunt or not to hunt. I have no problem with hunting.

It's a matter of the nature of whales and what over fishing will do to their numbers (regardless of the breed).
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Old 06-23-2006, 04:20 PM   #57 (permalink)
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You know, lots of you throw the term 'whale' around as if there was only one type of whale and that it was endangered.

This is obviously not the case.

There are at least 76 species of whale.

Ten are protected by the endangered species act.
I don't need to know what kind of whale is being hunted to know that I disagree with the fact that they are indeed hunted and some almost to extinction.

Yes, I disagree with hunting in general. While that might be a personal opinion and not one based on what is "good for the world" that is what discussions are. I doubt many people enter a discussion and simply state facts without also stating their own feelings on the matter.
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Old 06-24-2006, 06:19 AM   #58 (permalink)
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I see so regardless of the fact how many differing types of whales there are, we nearly destroyed them and now that their populations are starting to get to a healthy number we find the need to hunt them again.

While I am not violent mayhaps the future wife does have an idea, there are far far too many greedy, self serving dumbfucks on this planet, man after all is the most grossly overpopulated, destructive species known, so let's just round up the greedy fucks give them the Bikini Islands and a couple other Atolls we tested the nuclear bombs on and let them just fucking hunt each other.....

I mean I don't see whales thinking it's ok to close up shop, move out of town for cheaper labor and destroy whole towns in the name of greed and how much a CEO can make.
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Old 06-24-2006, 08:28 PM   #59 (permalink)
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Ustwo: once more, there is a big difference between eating dogs, deer and horses which are abundant and, in the case of some, thoroughly domesticated. It isn't a matter of to hunt or not to hunt. I have no problem with hunting.

It's a matter of the nature of whales and what over fishing will do to their numbers (regardless of the breed).
Who said they would be overfished (well over hunted)? Where did you glean this information?

If there is a sustainable number which can be harvested without endangering the species then there is no argument to not hunt them besides not liking the practice itself.

I see a lot of emotionalism, Pans post being a classic example of it, but no 'facts' beyond that.
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