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uncle phil · 04-20-2003, 01:30 PM

I started this in v.3 and it was beginning to pick up, with the help of a few of the veterans in our midst such as rockogre, sandman, i8one2, anredux2002, reconmike, and zerocode. Here's the deal: Some of you veterans may have things on your mind that you want to talk about, joke about, discuss, get out in the open, or otherwise get out of your heads. THIS IS THE PLACE TO DO IT! If you are a current serviceman or veteran of any period of service (doesn't have to be combat or a specific "conflict") come on in and hang out.

i8one2 · 04-20-2003, 03:13 PM

What must be kept alive is the spirit of the days on the calender that used to mean something very special to this country. All of the fallen comrades who have given the lives or have been harmed for serving their country with honor and sacrifice.

the commercialization of any holiday, but especially the ones that honor our soldiers or freedom is a complete disgrace.

YUP! I know that I'll be running around all the stores looking for that 15% savings on Memorial Day day. NOT!

There is a great opportunity have these days to have significance again... but will there really be a shift from buy, buy, buy to patriotism in the the long term??

reconmike · 04-20-2003, 03:20 PM

Great point i8,
What really pisses me off is those friggen japanese car comericals on memorial day. I would love to see a big VJ day sale or a Hirshima Toyota blowout event.

And now I have seen jeep comericals showing them in WW2, saying the spirt lives on....Hello they were built to defeat the germans, same people that now own the company.

Sorry rant over.

uncle phil · 04-20-2003, 03:26 PM

if you need to rant, that's what this thread is about, among other things...rant on...

paddyjoe · 04-20-2003, 03:37 PM

I'm sorry but commercialism is here to stay and has been for quite some time now. We know that but what do you suppose can be done? Hell, look what they've done to the birth of Christ. Do you really think Easter is about jelly beans? As far as we go, I'd kinda be happy just to have a day off work on Veterans Day.

reconmike · 04-20-2003, 03:48 PM

Hey paddyjoe,
Me and my boss had alittle disagreement last year about veterans day, I just wanted it off and some other guy had wanted it off to because it was the day before his birthday.
He gave him off and I bugged.
this year I have it as a paid holiday.

rockogre · 04-20-2003, 03:49 PM

New roots grow in fertile soil. Glad to see the thread restarted in this newest endeavor Uncle Phil.

A few years ago our local Wal-Mart asked the scout troop I help with to dispose of several hundred American flags in the appropriate manner, and it took several campouts to do this. It seems that the flags in question were made in China and no one would buy them. I found it nice to know that the almighty buck doesn't always win, and that Wal-Mart occasionally learns a lesson.

Sometimes it matters to me if someone is a combat veteran. Not for anything bad, but that they had to put forth the supreme effort and put their life on the line, and should be honored for it. I am not a combat veterean. I am what's known as a Vietnam Era veteran. I'm still proud to be a U.S. Navy veteran though.

God Bless America and our service people everywhere.

Ratman · 04-20-2003, 06:14 PM

I have a beef with the Army CIB. Those without an infinitry MOS can't wear it. That means those soldiers from the 507th Maint (among others in Iraq) that took and returned fire can't show their experience. This is true for all conflicts, but everytime something like this pops up, I get a little pissed.

Support troops outnumber infintry by about 5:1. Alot of those support soldiers fight just as hard as the ground pounders to keep them supplied with beans and bullets. There should be some kind of recognition, other than a Purple Heart and a Theater Ribbon for those non "11'S" that engage the enemy in a firefight.

uncle phil · 04-24-2003, 09:15 AM

ok, memorial day is coming up in about a month. do you guys think it holds the same significance as veteran's day? do you think it is considered more worthy of recognition than veteran's day? less?

rockogre · 04-24-2003, 09:32 AM

Memorial day gets a lot of attention but most of the attention seems to be that people are off for the holiday. Here, in Oklahoma, it marks the start of lake / camping season. Our local lake will be packed with boats and drunken morons.

I usually go to the cemetary on Memorial Day and clean family plots and leave flowers. I see several folks while I am there but then this is a small town.

Veterans day barely gets a nod around here and the company I work for pretty much ignores it which just goes all over me.

Liquor Dealer · 04-24-2003, 09:44 AM

"Sometimes it matters to me if someone is a combat veteran. Not for anything bad, but that they had to put forth the supreme effort and put their life on the line, and should be honored for it. I am not a combat veterean. I am what's known as a Vietnam Era veteran. I'm still proud to be a U.S. Navy veteran though.

God Bless America and our service people everywhere."

What Rockogre said! Works for me!

paddyjoe · 04-24-2003, 10:20 AM

To me, Memorial Day holds a bit more significance. To honor all that were killed during times of war also includes in my mind, civilians and people like contract workers that weren't actual military.

Believe me, Veterans Day is not far behind in importance because I am a Vietnam War era veteran and did lose some friends to that debacle. All in my family are veterans of one war or another so I do hold that day in reverance too.

Here's something for you guys to try. Walk through work, or the supermarket, or the park, or even the mall and ask people what their thoughts are on Memorial Day. I'm kinda thinking 7 out of 10 give the big dumb grin and say golly yeah, long weekend! I'm hoping that's not the case, but I sorta doubt it.

Anyhow, here's a couple of links for you to check out:

www.usmemorialday.org
www.va.gov/vetsday/

God Bless America

MikeyChalupa · 04-25-2003, 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ratman
I have a beef with the Army CIB. Those without an infinitry MOS can't wear it. That means those soldiers from the 507th Maint (among others in Iraq) that took and returned fire can't show their experience. This is true for all conflicts, but everytime something like this pops up, I get a little pissed.

Support troops outnumber infintry by about 5:1. Alot of those support soldiers fight just as hard as the ground pounders to keep them supplied with beans and bullets. There should be some kind of recognition, other than a Purple Heart and a Theater Ribbon for those non "11'S" that engage the enemy in a firefight.

They would qualify for the Combat Action Ribbon, right? I know the few times when I see that on a person, my initial impression of them jumps a few notches. Then again, I'm in the Navy and very few squids (other than SEALs) have those. Usually helo aircrewmen.

-Mikey

Peetster · 04-25-2003, 06:25 AM

I work in a place populated largely with retured officers. We get a choice between Veterans day and MLK. I've never seen anyone choose MLK day.

Peetster · 04-25-2003, 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MikeyChalupa
They would qualify for the Combat Action Ribbon, right? I know the few times when I see that on a person, my initial impression of them jumps a few notches. Then again, I'm in the Navy and very few squids (other than SEALs) have those. Usually helo aircrewmen.

-Mikey

Correct. I was a helo pilot, and proudly wore my CAR.

uncle phil · 04-30-2003, 01:32 PM

bump...

apetaster · 04-30-2003, 04:18 PM

I was not in the service, and hope you don't mind my intrusion on this thread, but thanks to all of you who served the US. Civilians don't say it often enough, especially in peacetime - not just when it is in vogue. So thanks.

uncle phil · 04-30-2003, 04:24 PM

thank you, apetaster...

George W Bush · 04-30-2003, 06:07 PM

Im with apetaster I didnt want intrude, but thank each one of the verterans that helped make this country (the US) what it is. Thank you. I'd salute you if I had earn the right, so my hat is off to you.

uncle phil what does bump mean?

uncle phil · 04-30-2003, 06:18 PM

g-dub, when a thread gets buried two or three pages and you want to revitalize it, all you have to do is enter a comment, like "bump," and it comes back to the top of the first page...

PataQ · 04-30-2003, 06:29 PM

that stays between me and these 4 walls

Maveric · 05-01-2003, 05:14 AM

i guess you can add me to the list

i came across this quote recently and it got me thinking a little about the Iraq War...

Quote:

It took longer for Janet Reno to take over the Branch Davidians in Waco than it did our guys to take over Iraq. - John Layfield, aka Bradshaw, of World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc. fame

paddyjoe · 05-05-2003, 07:55 AM

I guess that proves Janet Reno doesn't know what the fuck she's doing.
No suprise there.

rockogre · 05-08-2003, 08:09 AM

Janet Reno, she really cracks me up. How clueless can someone be and still breath?

And a bump.

uncle phil · 05-23-2003, 05:32 PM

bump...for memorial day...

Maveric · 05-24-2003, 01:45 PM

it's kinda funny. I come from a military background family, so that was a major influence on me. I joined at the age of 17 while I was a sophmore in highschool, and this was the time of the Persian Gulf War. Only problem was, they wouldn't let me go overseas until I graduated highschool.

By that time The Gulf War was over and Clinton soon took over. Military morale was at an all time low because he didn't support the miltary. He forced a "downsizing" of the military and was even offering money to troops if they decided to leave/ quit the service early. I remember one particular incident when some Marines greeted President Clinton and as he passed by they did an about face and turned their back on him, fuckin' halarious...

Kllr Wolf · 05-24-2003, 01:55 PM

I have to agree that people have lost the meaning of Vetrans and Memorial day. I am currently in the Navy, and the town I am currently in is arround just because of the base, but the only mention off of base about memorial day is the sales signs. It really pisses me off.

crfpilot · 05-24-2003, 06:00 PM

I think you're correct paddyjoe, people around here think river for Memorial day I don't even think some of the people I work with know why they have the day off. I'm working Monday because it's my year to do so, but I will still take some time to remember all my fallen brothers (and sisters).

Semper Fidelis
John
USMC 92-00

mrsandman · 05-24-2003, 09:10 PM

I've never heard it mentioned anywhere that a Korean made vehicle called "KIA" isn't noteworthy or ironic.

komodo · 05-24-2003, 11:15 PM

Well, damn. Now I can't NOT think about what the hell "KIA" is supposed to mean, especially since it's spelled in all caps...

And to all you men and women out there in the armed forces... my hat is off to all of you. I may not agree with what the military does and where they do it, but I sure as hell can see why it exists, and why you all deserve every second of Memorial Day and Veteran's Day and more. Keep fighting the good fight.

Kllr Wolf · 05-26-2003, 10:35 AM

I just saw a Home Depot commercial the only thing it mentioned about this weekend was to go into their stores and get your home improvement stuff so you can make the most of the three day weekend. To me that is more fucked up than anything especially when they say they support our troops.

i8one2 · 05-26-2003, 08:39 PM

How pathetic! Most of the stores were open, including mine! although my boss and I are vets..We have to be because we are mom and pop. But Seeing the people out there shopping and not even getting the fact that nearly one million soldiers have died to protect this country just sucks! What really made me thing for a few moments is that a Mexican owned business was on of the few in my neighborhood that was indeed closed for the right reasons and said so on his doors..HATS OFF TO HIM..and he will be getting even more business from me now!

Lebell · 05-26-2003, 09:20 PM

(Some of us remember.)

Thank You Veterans!!

rockogre · 05-29-2003, 05:16 AM

This seems like a good place to post the fact that today is Bob Hopes 100th birthday. He spent many days, weeks, and months doing what he could to help our military folks forget their troubles for a little while. Many of us love him for what he did.

Take a moment to remember this unique man.

Sun Tzu · 05-29-2003, 08:23 AM

What's the funnest weapon you shot while in the service?

For me; I would say a Howitzer, but theres nothing special about pulling a cord other than the power you know is behind it.

It would be between 50 cal and M203 for me.

Does anyone know if theres any truth that the AK in AK47 stood for American Killer?

rockogre · 05-29-2003, 08:43 AM

I got to shoot the dual, deck mounted, foot triggered, 20 millimeter machine guns one day on our ship. Barrells were thrown over the side and we had target practice.

YEEEEEEEEHHHHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

(I think that they were 20 MM. Heck, I was an electrician.)

uncle phil · 05-29-2003, 01:34 PM

every once in a while we would go up over nha trang in an HH3-E (i believe that was the helicopter that ARRS squadrons used) and shoot at sharks off hon tre (sp?) island with AR-15s...it was a rush sometimes...

ganon · 05-29-2003, 02:38 PM

I only got to fire the good ole m-16. but it was still cool.

yabobo · 05-29-2003, 04:27 PM

Military Rules for the Non-Military Personnel

Dear Civilians, We know that the current state of affairs in our great nation have many civilians up in arms and excited to join the military.
For those of you who can't join, you can still lend a hand. Here are a few of the areas we would like your assistance:

1) The next time you see an adult talking (or wearing a hat) during the playing of the National Anthem... kick their ass.

2) When you witness firsthand someone burning the American Flag in protest... kick their ass.

3) Regardless of the rank they held while they served, pay the highest amount of respect to all veterans. If you see anyone doing otherwise, quietly pull them aside and explain how these Veterans fought for the very freedom they bask in every second. Enlighten them on the many
sacrifices these Veterans made to make this Nation great. Then hold them down while a Disabled Veteran kicks their ass.

4) If you were never in the military, DO NOT pretend that you were. Wearing camouflage, telling others that you used to be "Special Forces," and collecting GI Joe memorabilia, might have been okay if you were still seven. Now, it will only make you look stupid and get your ass kicked.

5) Next time you come across an Air Force member, do not ask them, "Do you fly a jet?" Not everyone in the Air Force is a pilot. Such ignorance deserves an ass kicking (children are exempt).

6) If you witness someone calling the U.S. Coast Guard nonmilitary, inform them of their mistake... and kick their ass.

7) Roseanne Barr's singing of the National Anthem is not a blooper...it was a disgrace and disrespectful. Laugh, and sooner or later your
ass will be kicke! d.
8) Next time Old Glory goes by during a parade, get on your damn feet and pay homage to her by placing your hand ov! er your heart. Quietly thank
the military member or veteran lucky enough to be carrying her... of course, failure to do either of those could earn you a severe ass kicking.

9) What Jane Fonda did during the Vietnam War makes her the enemy. Just mention her nomination for "Woman of the Year" and get your ass kicked.
10) Don't try to discuss politics with a military member or a veteran. We are Americans and we all bleed the same regardless of our party affiliation. The President is our Commander in Chief regardless of political party. We have no inside track on what happens inside those big important
buildings where all those representatives meet. All we know is that when those civilian representatives screw up the situation, they call upon the military to go straighten it out. The military member might direct you to Oliver North. (I can see him kicking your ass already.)

11) "Your mama wears combat boots" never made sense to me. If she did, she would most likely be a vet and, therefore, could kick your ass!

12) Bin Laden and the Taliban are not communists, so stop saying "Let's go kill those Commie's!!!" And stop asking us where he is!!!! Crystal balls are not standard issue in the military. That reminds me ... if you see anyone calling those damn psychic phone numbers; let me know, so I can go kick their ass.

13) Flyboy (Air Force), Jar Head (Marines), Grunt (Army), Squid (Navy), etc., are terms of endearment we use describing each other. Unless you are a service member or vet, you have not earned the right to use them. Doing so will get your ass kicked.

14) Last but not least, whether or not you become a member of the military, support our troops and their families. Every Thanksgiving and religious holiday that you enjoy with family and friends, please remember that there are literally thousands of sailors and troops far from home wishing they could be with their families. Thank God for our military and the sacrifices they make every day. Without them, our country wou! ld get i ts ass kicked.

- "It is the soldier, not the reporter w! ho has g iven us the freedom of the press.

- It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.

- It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.

- It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag."

(Authored by

Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, Sergeant, USMC (Please pass this on so I won't have to kick your ass!)

I know this letter has a defect but the point still holds true
for me. Proud veteran of 12+ years service.

uncle phil · 05-29-2003, 04:33 PM

i'm not a big ollie north fan, but my comments, if i make any, will probably go on the politics thread...anyhow, great post yabobo...

04-20-2003, 01:30 PM	#1 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	veteran's discussion I started this in v.3 and it was beginning to pick up, with the help of a few of the veterans in our midst such as rockogre, sandman, i8one2, anredux2002, reconmike, and zerocode. Here's the deal: Some of you veterans may have things on your mind that you want to talk about, joke about, discuss, get out in the open, or otherwise get out of your heads. THIS IS THE PLACE TO DO IT! If you are a current serviceman or veteran of any period of service (doesn't have to be combat or a specific "conflict") come on in and hang out. __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

04-20-2003, 03:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
i8one2 COMPLETED and A TRAINER Location: BEAN_TOWN	What must be kept alive is the spirit of the days on the calender that used to mean something very special to this country. All of the fallen comrades who have given the lives or have been harmed for serving their country with honor and sacrifice. the commercialization of any holiday, but especially the ones that honor our soldiers or freedom is a complete disgrace. YUP! I know that I'll be running around all the stores looking for that 15% savings on Memorial Day day. NOT! There is a great opportunity have these days to have significance again... but will there really be a shift from buy, buy, buy to patriotism in the the long term?? __________________ LEATHER, LATEX and LACE "SSC" "Nothing That Gives Pleasure is Bad" Quality is for those who know what they want and are at peace with what they have. "S/M is about emotion; the erotic tension between my impulse toward something and my resistance against it."-- Virginia Barker

04-20-2003, 03:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
reconmike Thank You Jesus Location: Twilight Zone	Great point i8, What really pisses me off is those friggen japanese car comericals on memorial day. I would love to see a big VJ day sale or a Hirshima Toyota blowout event. And now I have seen jeep comericals showing them in WW2, saying the spirt lives on....Hello they were built to defeat the germans, same people that now own the company. Sorry rant over. __________________ Where is Darwin when ya need him?

04-20-2003, 03:26 PM	#4 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	if you need to rant, that's what this thread is about, among other things...rant on... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

04-20-2003, 03:48 PM	#6 (permalink)
reconmike Thank You Jesus Location: Twilight Zone	Hey paddyjoe, Me and my boss had alittle disagreement last year about veterans day, I just wanted it off and some other guy had wanted it off to because it was the day before his birthday. He gave him off and I bugged. this year I have it as a paid holiday. __________________ Where is Darwin when ya need him?

04-20-2003, 03:37 PM	#5 (permalink)
paddyjoe through charlatans phone Location: Northcoast	I'm sorry but commercialism is here to stay and has been for quite some time now. We know that but what do you suppose can be done? Hell, look what they've done to the birth of Christ. Do you really think Easter is about jelly beans? As far as we go, I'd kinda be happy just to have a day off work on Veterans Day.

04-20-2003, 03:49 PM	#7 (permalink)
rockogre I aim to misbehave! Location: SW Oklahoma	New roots grow in fertile soil. Glad to see the thread restarted in this newest endeavor Uncle Phil. A few years ago our local Wal-Mart asked the scout troop I help with to dispose of several hundred American flags in the appropriate manner, and it took several campouts to do this. It seems that the flags in question were made in China and no one would buy them. I found it nice to know that the almighty buck doesn't always win, and that Wal-Mart occasionally learns a lesson. Sometimes it matters to me if someone is a combat veteran. Not for anything bad, but that they had to put forth the supreme effort and put their life on the line, and should be honored for it. I am not a combat veterean. I am what's known as a Vietnam Era veteran. I'm still proud to be a U.S. Navy veteran though. God Bless America and our service people everywhere. __________________ Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American G. I. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom

04-20-2003, 06:14 PM	#8 (permalink)
Ratman Addict Location: Somewhere... Across the sea...	I have a beef with the Army CIB. Those without an infinitry MOS can't wear it. That means those soldiers from the 507th Maint (among others in Iraq) that took and returned fire can't show their experience. This is true for all conflicts, but everytime something like this pops up, I get a little pissed. Support troops outnumber infintry by about 5:1. Alot of those support soldiers fight just as hard as the ground pounders to keep them supplied with beans and bullets. There should be some kind of recognition, other than a Purple Heart and a Theater Ribbon for those non "11'S" that engage the enemy in a firefight. __________________ The difference between theory and reality is that in theory there is no difference. "God made man, but he used the monkey to do it." DEVO

04-24-2003, 09:15 AM	#9 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	ok, memorial day is coming up in about a month. do you guys think it holds the same significance as veteran's day? do you think it is considered more worthy of recognition than veteran's day? less? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

04-24-2003, 09:32 AM	#10 (permalink)
rockogre I aim to misbehave! Location: SW Oklahoma	Memorial day gets a lot of attention but most of the attention seems to be that people are off for the holiday. Here, in Oklahoma, it marks the start of lake / camping season. Our local lake will be packed with boats and drunken morons. I usually go to the cemetary on Memorial Day and clean family plots and leave flowers. I see several folks while I am there but then this is a small town. Veterans day barely gets a nod around here and the company I work for pretty much ignores it which just goes all over me. __________________ Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American G. I. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom Last edited by rockogre; 05-01-2003 at 05:38 AM..

04-24-2003, 09:44 AM	#11 (permalink)
Liquor Dealer Super Agitator Location: Just SW of Nowhere!!! In the good old US of A	"Sometimes it matters to me if someone is a combat veteran. Not for anything bad, but that they had to put forth the supreme effort and put their life on the line, and should be honored for it. I am not a combat veterean. I am what's known as a Vietnam Era veteran. I'm still proud to be a U.S. Navy veteran though. God Bless America and our service people everywhere." What Rockogre said! Works for me!

04-24-2003, 10:20 AM	#12 (permalink)
paddyjoe through charlatans phone Location: Northcoast	To me, Memorial Day holds a bit more significance. To honor all that were killed during times of war also includes in my mind, civilians and people like contract workers that weren't actual military. Believe me, Veterans Day is not far behind in importance because I am a Vietnam War era veteran and did lose some friends to that debacle. All in my family are veterans of one war or another so I do hold that day in reverance too. Here's something for you guys to try. Walk through work, or the supermarket, or the park, or even the mall and ask people what their thoughts are on Memorial Day. I'm kinda thinking 7 out of 10 give the big dumb grin and say golly yeah, long weekend! I'm hoping that's not the case, but I sorta doubt it. Anyhow, here's a couple of links for you to check out: www.usmemorialday.org www.va.gov/vetsday/ God Bless America

04-25-2003, 06:25 AM	#14 (permalink)
Peetster Right Now Location: Home	I work in a place populated largely with retured officers. We get a choice between Veterans day and MLK. I've never seen anyone choose MLK day.

04-30-2003, 01:32 PM	#16 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	bump... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

04-30-2003, 04:18 PM	#17 (permalink)
apetaster Insane Location: P.R. Mass.	I was not in the service, and hope you don't mind my intrusion on this thread, but thanks to all of you who served the US. Civilians don't say it often enough, especially in peacetime - not just when it is in vogue. So thanks.

04-30-2003, 04:24 PM	#18 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	thank you, apetaster... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

04-30-2003, 06:07 PM	#19 (permalink)
George W Bush Tilted Location: The Great Lone Star State	Im with apetaster I didnt want intrude, but thank each one of the verterans that helped make this country (the US) what it is. Thank you. I'd salute you if I had earn the right, so my hat is off to you. uncle phil what does bump mean? __________________ "Rarely is the question asked: is our children learning" "You teach a child to read and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test."

04-30-2003, 06:18 PM	#20 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	g-dub, when a thread gets buried two or three pages and you want to revitalize it, all you have to do is enter a comment, like "bump," and it comes back to the top of the first page... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

04-30-2003, 06:29 PM	#21 (permalink)
PataQ Tilted	that stays between me and these 4 walls __________________ O_O! I'm an assistant coffee boy in qpid's liberation army so we can take over the world before Microsoft does. Join the Revolution!

05-05-2003, 07:55 AM	#23 (permalink)
paddyjoe through charlatans phone Location: Northcoast	I guess that proves Janet Reno doesn't know what the fuck she's doing. No suprise there.

05-08-2003, 08:09 AM	#24 (permalink)
rockogre I aim to misbehave! Location: SW Oklahoma	Janet Reno, she really cracks me up. How clueless can someone be and still breath? And a bump. __________________ Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American G. I. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom

05-23-2003, 05:32 PM	#25 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	bump...for memorial day... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

05-24-2003, 01:45 PM	#26 (permalink)
Maveric Insane Location: Houston, Texas	it's kinda funny. I come from a military background family, so that was a major influence on me. I joined at the age of 17 while I was a sophmore in highschool, and this was the time of the Persian Gulf War. Only problem was, they wouldn't let me go overseas until I graduated highschool. By that time The Gulf War was over and Clinton soon took over. Military morale was at an all time low because he didn't support the miltary. He forced a "downsizing" of the military and was even offering money to troops if they decided to leave/ quit the service early. I remember one particular incident when some Marines greeted President Clinton and as he passed by they did an about face and turned their back on him, fuckin' halarious...

05-24-2003, 01:55 PM	#27 (permalink)
Kllr Wolf Psycho Location: Lubbock, TX	I have to agree that people have lost the meaning of Vetrans and Memorial day. I am currently in the Navy, and the town I am currently in is arround just because of the base, but the only mention off of base about memorial day is the sales signs. It really pisses me off. __________________ Caffeine - the molecule of life.

05-24-2003, 06:00 PM	#28 (permalink)
crfpilot Punk In Drublic Location: So Cal	I think you're correct paddyjoe, people around here think river for Memorial day I don't even think some of the people I work with know why they have the day off. I'm working Monday because it's my year to do so, but I will still take some time to remember all my fallen brothers (and sisters). Semper Fidelis John USMC 92-00

05-24-2003, 09:10 PM	#29 (permalink)
mrsandman Addict Location: 3rd coast area	I've never heard it mentioned anywhere that a Korean made vehicle called "KIA" isn't noteworthy or ironic. __________________ Hail to ALL the troops and shadow warriors.

05-24-2003, 11:15 PM	#30 (permalink)
komodo Tilted	Well, damn. Now I can't NOT think about what the hell "KIA" is supposed to mean, especially since it's spelled in all caps... And to all you men and women out there in the armed forces... my hat is off to all of you. I may not agree with what the military does and where they do it, but I sure as hell can see why it exists, and why you all deserve every second of Memorial Day and Veteran's Day and more. Keep fighting the good fight.

05-26-2003, 10:35 AM	#31 (permalink)
Kllr Wolf Psycho Location: Lubbock, TX	I just saw a Home Depot commercial the only thing it mentioned about this weekend was to go into their stores and get your home improvement stuff so you can make the most of the three day weekend. To me that is more fucked up than anything especially when they say they support our troops. __________________ Caffeine - the molecule of life.

05-26-2003, 08:39 PM	#32 (permalink)
i8one2 COMPLETED and A TRAINER Location: BEAN_TOWN	How pathetic! Most of the stores were open, including mine! although my boss and I are vets..We have to be because we are mom and pop. But Seeing the people out there shopping and not even getting the fact that nearly one million soldiers have died to protect this country just sucks! What really made me thing for a few moments is that a Mexican owned business was on of the few in my neighborhood that was indeed closed for the right reasons and said so on his doors..HATS OFF TO HIM..and he will be getting even more business from me now! __________________ LEATHER, LATEX and LACE "SSC" "Nothing That Gives Pleasure is Bad" Quality is for those who know what they want and are at peace with what they have. "S/M is about emotion; the erotic tension between my impulse toward something and my resistance against it."-- Virginia Barker

05-26-2003, 09:20 PM	#33 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	(Some of us remember.) Thank You Veterans!! __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

05-29-2003, 05:16 AM	#34 (permalink)
rockogre I aim to misbehave! Location: SW Oklahoma	This seems like a good place to post the fact that today is Bob Hopes 100th birthday. He spent many days, weeks, and months doing what he could to help our military folks forget their troubles for a little while. Many of us love him for what he did. Take a moment to remember this unique man. __________________ Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American G. I. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom

05-29-2003, 08:23 AM	#35 (permalink)
Sun Tzu Conspiracy Realist Location: The Event Horizon	What's the funnest weapon you shot while in the service? For me; I would say a Howitzer, but theres nothing special about pulling a cord other than the power you know is behind it. It would be between 50 cal and M203 for me. Does anyone know if theres any truth that the AK in AK47 stood for American Killer? __________________ *To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit.- Stephen Hawking*

05-29-2003, 08:43 AM	#36 (permalink)
rockogre I aim to misbehave! Location: SW Oklahoma	I got to shoot the dual, deck mounted, foot triggered, 20 millimeter machine guns one day on our ship. Barrells were thrown over the side and we had target practice. YEEEEEEEEHHHHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! (I think that they were 20 MM. Heck, I was an electrician.) __________________ Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American G. I. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom Last edited by rockogre; 05-29-2003 at 08:48 AM..

05-29-2003, 01:34 PM	#37 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	every once in a while we would go up over nha trang in an HH3-E (i believe that was the helicopter that ARRS squadrons used) and shoot at sharks off hon tre (sp?) island with AR-15s...it was a rush sometimes... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

05-29-2003, 02:38 PM	#38 (permalink)
ganon Insane Location: in my head	I only got to fire the good ole m-16. but it was still cool. __________________ "My give up, my give up." - Jar Jar Binks