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My brother and I found this tape in a damaged camera on holiday in Wales. We're still trying to work out the mystery...

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Redlemon

Seriously? 'Cause your intro totally sounds like "here's a viral marketing campaign". Of course, I only watched the first minute of it. Does something interesting happen?

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cliche

nah, not a viral. Would be pleased if people would treat it as one though Perhaps I should register www.whereisrobertfoster.org or something?

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The_Jazz

Next time hire better actors. And write a better script. "The Blair Witch Project" did it better, more convincingly and much scarier. The last 20 seconds was a huge letdown.

Ugh. I want my 12 mintues back.

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cliche

I'll pass on your 'constructive' comments to my brother (who made it). Personally I'm surprised at that attitude from an admin - TFP used to be a great place to seek intelligent criticism and informed debate...

For what it's worth it was completed in just over 24 hours with zero budget. And it made us laugh

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Vigilante

Bored by 18 seconds. He needs to kick a flaming cantaloupe, that's always my favorite stunt

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Willravel

Foster, Australian for danger.

I have to admit to being a bit anxious for something to happen, but it was kinda fun. Campy, but fun.

cliche

He said he was mainly inspired by 'Cloverfield' (not seen it myself) and the fact that people are apparently filming stuff rather than just running away from whatever terrible disaster is going on.

How do you get the cantaloupe flaming? Would any other kind of melon do?

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SSJTWIZTA

i didnt see attitude, just honesty.

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The_Jazz

I'm sorry, but what exactly do you find unintelligent and uninformed about my critism? Am I automatically supposed to like it because you deigned to post it here?

I didn't like it. It was too long and the acting was incredibly stilted. It could have been 7 minutes shorter without any problem. And the payoff moment was a confused greenlit mess.

I've now given you my honest opinion twice. That's what TFP has always been about. If you're looking for adoring fans to fall worshipingly at your feet, this has never been the right place.

If you can't handled negative comments about your art, perhaps you ought not to post it and invite comment. And perhaps next time you'll actually have enough respect for the rest of us not to post some bullshit, viral-marketing looking explanation of what it is in your OP and explain what you've done up front. You might find you get a little more personal respect if your audience isn't anticipating a marketing assault at any minute during the film. But that's a criticism of the presentation, not the film itself.

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Nisses

cliche:

sorry man, but you got caught with your pants down.

You weren't looking for intelligent criticism and informed debate. You were looking to start a little hype with it.
If that wasn't the case, you would have properly framed this video instead of trying to spin a little fantasy story.

I agree with The Jazz though: cut it in half and if you want to make similar things, you or your brother, realise that you do still need believable acting.

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Willravel

I've been on the giving end of snide remarks before and trust me, they're not constructive in the least.

Putting out original work to be judged is a very singular experience. There is an insecurity, because art—be it a painting, music, or even a short fictitious documentary—is very subjective. The artist may like it, but that doesn't mean the audience will. Because of this there is a responsibility for the audience, when offering criticism, to try and stay within the realms of being constructive and respectful. This art was made for us, after all.

Halx

Hello, we're here on the "Found on the Net" forum, where you're lucky to get any conversation, let alone constructive criticism. Next time, try another section. As it is, its a free-for-all link and everyone is right to make of it what they want.

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The_Jazz

Whatever, Will. You run the risk of your audience hating your art whenever you exhibit it. I've already shared my reasons for dislike on this piece known.

Then again, I could have suggested that we all do a group hug and sing "Kumbayah" in the spirit of togetherness, which seems to be what you suggest. But that option went out the windown as soon as my objections were classified as unintelligent and uninformed.

The audience has no responsility other than to react. If the artist wants to avoid negative reactions, then he should make that clear. Here, we were lied to from the beginning - not exactly a way to engender kind feelings from an audience.

And I object to catagorizing my remarks as "snide". I haven't been nasty, flippant, derogatory or derisive.

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Willravel

Edit: this really isn't important.

The_Jazz

Will, see above. If we were in Creativity, I might have been kinder. This piece was designed as entertainment, not art. If it were the latest sitcom pap for NBC instead of a would-be viral video, I would have used even harsher terms, provided it didn't star Matt Leblanc, in which case I would have demanded all copies be burned and those responsible be summarily executed.

See, that's snide. My other comments, not so much.

And please, social contract? Let's not introduce our latest pop psych terms to a conversation where they have questionable - at best - relavence to the conversation.

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cliche

Well, thanks Willravel for the support. And thanks to Nisses and luciferase for comments - I'll pass those on too.

No, I wasn't looking for informed criticism and debate - I was simply (as Halx points out) looking to share something my brother made. However I was surprised to receive such a pointless comment from an admin.

I was just disappointed that someone who chose to offer advice did so in such an unintelligent way. If you don't like something, just say so: "I don't like it" is an opinion. "I don't like the bit where <XXXX>" is a useful opinion. "Perhaps he could have tried <XXXX>" is constructive criticism. "Do it better" is the last resort of the incapable.

And accusations of lying? Well I suppose that's true - but lacks imagination?

I admit I haven't been on TFP for a while; I hope this isn't what it's become.

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Halx

Don't be so quick to judge. You presented the piece as something you found, yet it was something you (or people who you are associated with) created. Honesty is a big part of getting good responses. Instead, your contribution came off as a viral link, which is deceptive by nature. We're all being reasonable here and I think acting within the bounds of the situation. You presented it as something you are impartial towards, so don't be surprise if people aren't as sensitive toward it.

If you had presented it to us with the message that this is the sweat and blood of your family, I'm positive you'd get much more sensitive responses.

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cliche

I'm not asking for special treatment because a member of my family created it; merely expressing surprise that someone (and an admin no less) had that attitude. It is only by being told what we can change that any of us can improve stuff - but "do it better" is simply an insult dressed up as advice.

Other people in this thread (well, not many as it's become quite sidetracked ) have managed to express their distaste for the film (yes, it seems it's not popular) without coming across in the way The_Jazz did in his first post. And even his second post (the second sentence anyway) has something useful in it.

As for 'lying' about its origin I have admitted guilt; honestly I didn't expect anyone to really believe it - and after the first few seconds I'd have thought any lingering doubts would be erased. However, the idea of the film being 'found' is part of the story he set out to create.

So, should we continue this debate in here or is there somewhere better? And other comments on the video will continue to be passed on. Thanks all for your time

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The_Jazz

What? Because I'm an admin, I'm supposed to tell you that your pedantic pap is the greatest piece of film making since Orson Wells closed with "Rosebud..."? You came in trying to create a viral buzz about something that wasn't worthy of my time. In this case, your member name is quite indicative of the derivative waste of film that you've presented here.

I am not here to hold your hand and be your best buddy, either when I'm wearing my admin hat or not. I am allowed to express my opinion - and my opinion is that your link is the cinematic equivalent of macaroni art. I have not flamed you here - I've only expressed displeasure with the film. You, however, have variously said that I'm unintelligent, incapable and have an attitude issue. I haven't disrespected you; you cannot say the same in return. The old TFP admins that you seem to be pining for would have kicked you to the curb for throwing darts like that - and some of the current ones too for that matter - without hesitating a second. And yet here we are, with you still a member and with no negative marks on your record. Maybe it IS time to act like the old TFP again....

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LoganSnake

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cliche

This is rapidly descending into a personal attack and threats; it's evident that despite attempts at clear explanation there are people who can't or won't understand my point.

I'll not post in this thread again.

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Church

I accidentally this thread?

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Charlatan

For the record? The film opens with, "Rosebud".

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Nisses

Not the whole thread?

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Merlocke

geez - some people can't take criticism eh? Mysterious video tape is one thing, my bro made this is 24 hours is another.

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Crack

I am not sure what happened here, but... here's a picture of a monkey hugging a bird:

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Cynthetiq

awww thanks crack

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Sun Tzu

The commentary drove me to watch something I probably wouldnt have. This has all been some kind of new promotion tactic, and you all are in on it.

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shakran

Alright.

Yes, I am a member of the TFP staff, but I am also a photojournalist, and the statue of the naked lady holding a globe that sits on my bookshelf tells me I must have at one time anyway known my way around both cameras and storytelling. I would therefore submit that I am not, as you accuse Jazz of being, "incapable."

I agree with Jazz. Do it better.

The camerawork is sub-par, the audio is terrible (if you're going to be claiming to do a documentary, your talent would at minimum have a lavaliere mic instead of relying on the crappy on-camera mic to hopefully pick up sound), the cut-to-blacks you use to transition between standups are clearly the result of post-production editing since real cameras don't work that way, and the ending. . .the talent says the "monster" is "shooting rockets out of his eyes" or some such nonsense. The only horror movie of note that ever had a monster-animal capable of rocketry was Gamera, and you'll note that every Gamera film ever made is crucified for more than 2 hours each in Mystery Science Theater 3000, and you're complaining about a 5 sentence critique from Jazz?

My advice would be to click that film school link at the top of the linked page and sign up for a few classes. You clearly have a drive to tell stories, but as with any craft, your untrained first efforts are not going to land you a job at the Spielbergian level.

One does not experimentally whack a piece of marble with a hammer and expect everyone to proclaim him Michelangelo.

Church

shak, do you mind if I call you shak?

Anyways, I'm afraid your lengthy post was done in vain, I really don't think he's coming back after the lashing he got here and his "farewell thread" post lol. Good points you bring up none the less!

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shakran

call me anything you want as long as its not a cameramonkey

And no, it wasn't done in vain. People always say they're leaving threads, but no one is ever strong enough to resist the urge to see what was said after they left

Church

Haha, that's very true.

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LoganSnake

What does that mean?

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shakran

(representational image. Too lazy to take a picture of mine)

Church

Wow, if you don't mind me asking, what do you have an Emmy for? Also, can you pleeeeeeease take a picture of it? lol

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shakran

lol

it looks just like that.

a regional emmy for a news story I did some years back. These are the non-televised ones that aren't nearly as glamorous

Church

ooh hahaha. I thought maybe we had a secret bigshot in our midst lol

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thespian86

soon enough church

soon enough...

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