Two Marines Disciplined Over Puppy-tossing Video - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

LoganSnake · 06-12-2008, 06:44 AM

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http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/06/11/mar...ppy/index.html

(CNN) -- The U.S. Marine Corps has disciplined two Marines over a videotape that showed a Marine throwing a puppy over a cliff, the military said Wednesday.

YouTube.com removed the video for violating the Web site's terms of use.

Officials did not specify the role that each man played in the incident, which received international attention after a video of it appeared on YouTube.com March 3.

Lance Cpl. David Motari is being processed for removal for his role, the Marine Corps said, and Sgt. Crismarvin Banez Encarnacion also has been punished.

The video shows someone throwing a black-and-white puppy off a rocky cliff. The dog makes a yelping sound as it flies through the air.

"That's mean. That was mean," someone off-camera is heard saying.

YouTube removed the video about a day after it was posted, "due to terms of use violation," the site said.

The Marines were quick to condemn the video when it surfaced, calling it "shocking and deplorable."

Marine officials said the disciplinary action followed a thorough investigation, according to a statement that the Marine Corps Base Hawaii released Wednesday.

"The actions seen in the Internet video are contrary to the high standards we expect of every Marine and will not be tolerated," the statement said

So, I guess the video was real and the two guys got what they deserved.

Willravel · 06-12-2008, 07:38 AM

Dear Marines,
Hire psychologists to screen men before spending money training and deploying them. It's your responsibility to make sure that only the highest caliber person wears the uniform and the video in question demonstrates a serious failure to recruit stable people and help to maintain good mental health. This goes for you too, Army and Navy. Entrusting the responsibility to protect our country should not be taken lightly.

Sincerely,
Pissed off Willravel

BTW, it should be said that the military and former military on TFP are, in my opinion, of the caliber necessary to trust with the safety of our country. I know that they would report behavior like this.

LoganSnake · 06-12-2008, 07:56 AM

I'm sure many military/ex-military folks have stories they don't talk about.

Willravel · 06-12-2008, 08:16 AM

The UCMJ requires one to report illegal behavior. If they've got stories like this, it would behoove them to tell someone so that it's less likely to happen again.

LoganSnake · 06-12-2008, 08:29 AM

There's a concept called Covering Your Own Ass. Say, I was in the middle of nowhere in some desert, bored out of my mind. Lost? I don't know. The two guys I'm with and I see a caravan passing by. To have fun we decide to snipe the legs off of the camels from a nearby hill and watch the panic. Now, why would any of us three ever report that?

Just an example.

These two guys were retarded. Moral issues aside, you just don't let yourself be caught doing something like this, let alone record it on video.

Willravel · 06-12-2008, 08:42 AM

I'm saying that if your buddy brags to you that he threw a living puppy off a cliff, you tell your CO immediately. People like the two marines in this case are not meant for soldiering, so explaining the situation to whomever you're supposed to report things like this isn't being a rat, it's being responsible.

LoganSnake · 06-12-2008, 08:47 AM

What makes a good soldier, Will?

Willravel · 06-12-2008, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by LoganSnake

What makes a good soldier, Will?

Someone who follows the UCMJ.

lotsofmagnets · 06-12-2008, 08:55 AM

again, i´m agreeing with will. this shows some serious mental disturbance and makes me wonder how these people will react when in a combat situation.

LoganSnake · 06-12-2008, 08:55 AM

Hm, okay.

Bill O'Rights · 06-12-2008, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Willravel

Dear Marines,
Hire psychologists to screen men before spending money training and deploying them. It's your responsibility to make sure that only the highest caliber person wears the uniform and the video in question demonstrates a serious failure to recruit stable people and help to maintain good mental health. This goes for you too, Army and Navy. Entrusting the responsibility to protect our country should not be taken lightly.

Sincerely,
Pissed off Willravel

OooooKay.

So...foist all of the psychos onto the Air Force?

Seriously though. This is fubar. These are not the types of men that I want serving next to me.

Willravel · 06-12-2008, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill O'Rights

OooooKay.

So...foist all of the psychos onto the Air Force?

Fantastic! I was hoping that goofy jibe wouldn't go unnoticed. I kid because I love, AF.

Sion · 06-12-2008, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Willravel

Dear Marines,
Hire psychologists to screen men before spending money training and deploying them. It's your responsibility to make sure that only the highest caliber person wears the uniform and the video in question demonstrates a serious failure to recruit stable people and help to maintain good mental health. This goes for you too, Army and Navy. Entrusting the responsibility to protect our country should not be taken lightly.

Sincerely,
Pissed off Willravel

BTW, it should be said that the military and former military on TFP are, in my opinion, of the caliber necessary to trust with the safety of our country. I know that they would report behavior like this.

yeah, good luck with that will:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005...sa.jamiewilson

http://www.slate.com/id/2182752/

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/...,78111,00.html

zipper · 06-12-2008, 11:31 AM

I am in the Air Force, have been for the past 18+ years...granted we are WAY different than the Army/Marines...but in my opinion, you want trained killers...you are going to end up this kind of mentality.

YOU, ME, EVERYONE else can't imagine the things those soldiers/marines see, do, experience every single day in Iraq.

I would have to say that as a whole...Marines, Soldiers, Seamen and Airmen are all professional...but you have 130,000 folks serving in a war zone, these things are going to happen.

Jinn · 06-12-2008, 11:36 AM

I sat for a half-day in a holding cell on Fort Carson with a soldier enroute to Leavenworth for collecting Iraqi civilian noses and ears and wearing them on his necklace. He claimed that he was made the 'fall man', because everyone in his unit, including the CO, were doing it too. He was more pissed that someone had 'ratted him out' than anything else.

I remember him so clearly - his little nametape said "Grover" which seemed so funny to me, because he was nothing like the Grover of Sesame Street fame.

So as far as puppies go? I'm offended, but not terribly. Looks like they got what they deserved.

Willravel · 06-12-2008, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jinn

I sat for a half-day in a holding cell on Fort Carson with a soldier enroute to Leavenworth for collecting Iraqi civilian noses and ears and wearing them on his necklace. He claimed that he was made the 'fall man', because everyone in his unit, including the CO, were doing it too. He was more pissed that someone had 'ratted him out' than anything else.

This is a good example, Jinn. Group think.

Lucifer · 06-12-2008, 11:53 AM

Using the "everyone else was doing it" excuse is the kind of mentality that let the Holocaust happen. I'm not saying that puppies equals people, but cruelty is cruelty whether it be to people, puppies or camels.

mixedmedia · 06-12-2008, 11:56 AM

Asshole. Really. What more needs to be said. That he is a Marine is irrelevant.

ShaniFaye · 06-12-2008, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Willravel

Fantastic! I was hoping that goofy jibe wouldn't go unnoticed. I kid because I love, AF.

Stockdale, Will, Will Stockdale

Hey, Ben. Maybe you'll get to like the Air Force. Zoomin' all over the sky - and shouting, "Roger" and "Wilco" and everything. Maybe it won't be so bad.

Bad? You know what they call men in the Air Force?

Air man! Like somethin' out of a dang funny book! Air man! How you gonna like it when somebody calls you "Air man"?

By dog, I just don't think I'll stand for it.

Bill O'Rights · 06-12-2008, 12:36 PM

No Time For Sergeants 1958.

What do I win Shanni?

ShaniFaye · 06-12-2008, 12:40 PM

ummmm me?

Willravel · 06-12-2008, 01:09 PM

I'm waaay too young to get that reference. No offense to those who did, of course, as with age often comes wisdom.

Sion · 06-12-2008, 08:56 PM

btw, regardless of these Marines getting punished, I'm still not convinced that the puppy video was real (as in a real puppy). perhaps it was a "conduct unbecoming" charge, in which case maybe it makes no difference whether the puppy was real.

06-12-2008, 07:56 AM	#3 (permalink)
LoganSnake We work alone Location: Cake Town	I'm sure many military/ex-military folks have stories they don't talk about. __________________ Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing that you'll be an idiot in the future. Common sense is knowing that you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques

06-12-2008, 08:29 AM	#5 (permalink)
LoganSnake We work alone Location: Cake Town	There's a concept called Covering Your Own Ass. Say, I was in the middle of nowhere in some desert, bored out of my mind. Lost? I don't know. The two guys I'm with and I see a caravan passing by. To have fun we decide to snipe the legs off of the camels from a nearby hill and watch the panic. Now, why would any of us three ever report that? Just an example. These two guys were retarded. Moral issues aside, you just don't let yourself be caught doing something like this, let alone record it on video. __________________ Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing that you'll be an idiot in the future. Common sense is knowing that you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques

06-12-2008, 08:47 AM	#7 (permalink)
LoganSnake We work alone Location: Cake Town	What makes a good soldier, Will? __________________ Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing that you'll be an idiot in the future. Common sense is knowing that you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques

06-12-2008, 08:55 AM	#9 (permalink)
lotsofmagnets Upright Location: reykjavík, iceland	again, i´m agreeing with will. this shows some serious mental disturbance and makes me wonder how these people will react when in a combat situation. __________________ mother nature made the aeroplane, and the submarine sandwich, with the steady hands and dead eye of a remarkable sculptor. she shed her mountain turning training wheels, for the convenience of the moving sidewalk, that delivers the magnetic monkey children through the mouth of impossible calendar clock, into the devil's manhole cauldron. physics of a bicycle, isn't it remarkable?

06-12-2008, 08:55 AM	#10 (permalink)
LoganSnake We work alone Location: Cake Town	Hm, okay. __________________ Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing that you'll be an idiot in the future. Common sense is knowing that you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques

06-12-2008, 07:38 AM	#2 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Dear Marines, Hire psychologists to screen men before spending money training and deploying them. It's your responsibility to make sure that only the highest caliber person wears the uniform and the video in question demonstrates a serious failure to recruit stable people and help to maintain good mental health. This goes for you too, Army and Navy. Entrusting the responsibility to protect our country should not be taken lightly. Sincerely, Pissed off Willravel BTW, it should be said that the military and former military on TFP are, in my opinion, of the caliber necessary to trust with the safety of our country. I know that they would report behavior like this.

06-12-2008, 08:16 AM	#4 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	The UCMJ requires one to report illegal behavior. If they've got stories like this, it would behoove them to tell someone so that it's less likely to happen again.

06-12-2008, 08:42 AM	#6 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	I'm saying that if your buddy brags to you that he threw a living puppy off a cliff, you tell your CO immediately. People like the two marines in this case are not meant for soldiering, so explaining the situation to whomever you're supposed to report things like this isn't being a rat, it's being responsible.

06-12-2008, 11:31 AM	#14 (permalink)
zipper Crazy Location: Georgia, USA	I am in the Air Force, have been for the past 18+ years...granted we are WAY different than the Army/Marines...but in my opinion, you want trained killers...you are going to end up this kind of mentality. YOU, ME, EVERYONE else can't imagine the things those soldiers/marines see, do, experience every single day in Iraq. I would have to say that as a whole...Marines, Soldiers, Seamen and Airmen are all professional...but you have 130,000 folks serving in a war zone, these things are going to happen. __________________ "If you wait 'til the last minute, it will only take you a minute!" Visit my home page http://zhphotography.zenfolio.com/

06-12-2008, 11:36 AM	#15 (permalink)
Jinn Lover - Protector - Teacher Location: Seattle, WA	I sat for a half-day in a holding cell on Fort Carson with a soldier enroute to Leavenworth for collecting Iraqi civilian noses and ears and wearing them on his necklace. He claimed that he was made the 'fall man', because everyone in his unit, including the CO, were doing it too. He was more pissed that someone had 'ratted him out' than anything else. I remember him so clearly - his little nametape said "Grover" which seemed so funny to me, because he was nothing like the Grover of Sesame Street fame. So as far as puppies go? I'm offended, but not terribly. Looks like they got what they deserved. __________________ "I'm typing on a computer of science, which is being sent by science wires to a little science server where you can access it. I'm not typing on a computer of philosophy or religion or whatever other thing you think can be used to understand the universe because they're a poor substitute in the role of understanding the universe which exists independent from ourselves." - Willravel Last edited by Jinn; 06-12-2008 at 11:39 AM..

06-12-2008, 11:53 AM	#17 (permalink)
Lucifer Husband of Seamaiden Location: Nova Scotia	Using the "everyone else was doing it" excuse is the kind of mentality that let the Holocaust happen. I'm not saying that puppies equals people, but cruelty is cruelty whether it be to people, puppies or camels. __________________ I am a brother to dragons, and a companion to owls. - Job 30:29 1123, 6536, 5321

06-12-2008, 11:56 AM	#18 (permalink)
mixedmedia has all her shots. Location: Florida	Asshole. Really. What more needs to be said. That he is a Marine is irrelevant. __________________ Most people go through life dreading they'll have a traumatic experience. Freaks were born with their trauma. They've already passed their test in life. They're aristocrats. - Diane Arbus PESSIMISM, n. A philosophy forced upon the convictions of the observer by the disheartening prevalence of the optimist with his scarecrow hope and his unsightly smile. - Ambrose Bierce

06-12-2008, 12:36 PM	#20 (permalink)
Bill O'Rights will always be an Alyson Hanniganite Location: In the dust of the archives	No Time For Sergeants 1958. What do I win Shanni? __________________ "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony "Hedonism with rules isn't hedonism at all, it's the Republican party." - JumpinJesus It is indisputable that true beauty lies within...but a nice rack sure doesn't hurt.

06-12-2008, 12:40 PM	#21 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	ummmm me? __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

06-12-2008, 01:09 PM	#22 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	I'm waaay too young to get that reference. No offense to those who did, of course, as with age often comes wisdom.

06-12-2008, 08:56 PM	#23 (permalink)
Sion Dumb all over...a little ugly on the side Location: In the room where the giant fire puffer works, and the torture never stops.	btw, regardless of these Marines getting punished, I'm still not convinced that the puppy video was real (as in a real puppy). perhaps it was a "conduct unbecoming" charge, in which case maybe it makes no difference whether the puppy was real. __________________ He's the best, of course, of all the worst. Some wrong been done, he done it first. -fz I jus' want ta thank you...falettinme...be mice elf...agin...