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QuasiMondo · 04-09-2008, 10:20 AM

Baby With Two Faces Worshipped As A Goddess click to show

Kadath · 04-09-2008, 11:58 AM

How the hell does the brain sort out input from all four eyes?

Halx · 04-09-2008, 12:07 PM

Does the throat meet up like a Y or something, with everything going down the same esophagus? Which face is forward?

LoganSnake · 04-09-2008, 12:09 PM

The same reaction was in India when a girl was born with a parasitic twin attached at the pelvis making her out to have 8 limbs. They also deemed her as a reincarnated god.

allaboutmusic · 04-09-2008, 04:17 PM

No one knows at present since the parents refuse medical examination. I hope their refusal doesn't mean that the poor girl dies early from something treatable.

On a similar topic - have you seen the documentary on conjoined twins Abi and Brittany Hensel? Now THAT is fascinating, remarkable girls.

Willravel · 04-09-2008, 04:35 PM

Refusing medical examination = epic fail. Damned irresponsible. I hope the children don't suffer because of the parents' ignorance.

bobby · 04-10-2008, 07:00 AM

have you ever heard of these guys...amazing life story....

http://phreeque.tripod.com/chang_eng.html

xoxoxoo

LoganSnake · 04-11-2008, 03:26 PM

On another related note, this is what I was talking about in my previous post.

http://www.weirdasianews.com/2007/11...gs-and-4-arms/

Hain · 04-11-2008, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kadath

How the hell does the brain sort out input from all four eyes?

I figure since she was born with all that information coming in, the brain wires itself as best it can to process it... from what I have read about how plastic brains are.

Willravel · 04-11-2008, 04:29 PM

Are we allowed to have pictures of children on TFP?

Kadath · 04-15-2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Augi

I figure since she was born with all that information coming in, the brain wires itself as best it can to process it... from what I have read about how plastic brains are.

Honestly that child is horribly deformed and I pity her, but the idea is fascinating to me.

Martian · 04-15-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by willravel

Refusing medical examination = epic fail. Damned irresponsible. I hope the children don't suffer because of the parents' ignorance.

Agreed. Biology and medicine isn't my forte, so I'm not sure if this is an extreme form of parasitic conjoined twins or what, but I am reasonably sure that there's a high chance of medical complications and that the mother is being stupid for putting the life of her child/children at risk.

allaboutmusic mentioned the Hensel twins and I decided to look them up. I found a wikipedia article, which said:

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Originally Posted by wikipedia

They intend to make a rather limited number of media appearances in the future, primarily just to appease the world's curiosity and to lessen the number of people who might otherwise be taken aback by their novel body configuration. They would prefer not to be stared at or photographed by strangers while going about their private lives. They expect to date, get married and have children.

And all I could think was 'that's going to be awkward.'

I am a bad, bad man.

ring · 04-15-2008, 03:30 PM

Our evolution, will request an openess of face,
not to shy away,
not to laugh away,
but to embrace.

Manuel Hong · 04-15-2008, 03:34 PM

From their perspective, she's a reincarnated goddess. Lucky and Blessed.

From others in their "civilized" world, she's deformed and will likely have complications or die.

Who is right?

Does belief dictate reality?

Does belief in the former insure her health and vitality?

Does believing the latter doom this child?

If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?

Enjoy the expansion of your conciousness while you ponder this and try to suspend your judgment.

Blessings!

Nimetic · 04-16-2008, 04:31 AM

This forum bothers me - are we supposed to laugh at the parents? They're probably not literate.

How are they to judge whether their doctor is right or wrong? Could they do a quick internet search of blog sites, work history and academic records? I doubt it.

Martian · 04-16-2008, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Nimetic

This forum bothers me - are we supposed to laugh at the parents? They're probably not literate.

How are they to judge whether their doctor is right or wrong? Could they do a quick internet search of blog sites, work history and academic records? I doubt it.

I don't think anyone is laughing at the parents. 'Frustrated by their ignorance' would be a better way of describing my feelings on the matter.

What bothers me is your assumption that a family in northern India must automatically consist of illiterate yokels.

abaya · 04-16-2008, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Manuel Hong

From their perspective, she's a reincarnated goddess. Lucky and Blessed.

From others in their "civilized" world, she's deformed and will likely have complications or die.

Who is right?

Does belief dictate reality?

Does belief in the former insure her health and vitality?

Does believing the latter doom this child?

If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?

Enjoy the expansion of your conciousness while you ponder this and try to suspend your judgment.

Blessings!

YES!!! Thank you, Manuel Hong.

Martian: The marriage/reproduction happened in the case of the "Bunker Brothers," the conjoined Siamese Twins (from Thailand, formerly known as Siam)... check it out.

allaboutmusic · 04-16-2008, 10:28 AM

abaya, in the case of the Bunker brothers, they were men with separate sexual organs. As long as their wives only had intercourse with the appropriate husband, there would be no question of who the father was.

In the case of the Hensel twins, the twins share one reproductive system. If they engaged in intercourse, would the sexual partner involved be having sex with just the one twin, or both of them? If conception was successful, who would the mother be? Are they both listed as "mother" on the birth certificate? If they each had sexual partners / husbands, would they be comfortable putting their fluids where another man puts his fluids? If they decide to try for children, would the one husband have to wear a condom while the other doesn't, or do they just see which one conceives? I could go on...

gonadman · 04-18-2008, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by willravel

Refusing medical examination = epic fail. Damned irresponsible. I hope the children don't suffer because of the parents' ignorance.

Who are we to judge the parents' belief system? Perhaps in their mind she is the incarnation of a deity, not some specimen to be poked, prodded, x-rayed, and surgically altered. Judging from the local response, she will be much better taken care of than if she was born in a western family- if you deem good care meeting her physical and spiritual needs rather than surgically altering her to look more *normal*

Martian · 04-18-2008, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by gonadman

Who are we to judge the parents' belief system? Perhaps in their mind she is the incarnation of a deity, not some specimen to be poked, prodded, x-rayed, and surgically altered. Judging from the local response, she will be much better taken care of than if she was born in a western family- if you deem good care meeting her physical and spiritual needs rather than surgically altering her to look more *normal*

It's hard to care for a child who's died from tracheal malformation.

Looked at another way, it's perfectly okay to pray when diagnosed with cancer, but it's also important to understand that prayer is not a substitute for chemotherapy.

gonadman · 04-18-2008, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Martian

It's hard to care for a child who's died from tracheal malformation.

Looked at another way, it's perfectly okay to pray when diagnosed with cancer, but it's also important to understand that prayer is not a substitute for chemotherapy.

Once again, let us be careful not to judge others by our own values. For many people, an earlier death without the rigors of chemotherapy is preferable.

We do not know what challenges this child faces. An earlier death may be preferable in certain cultures with strong afterlife beliefs. I am not saying I agree with it, I only make the point that we should be accepting of the parents decision if that is their belief.

allaboutmusic · 04-19-2008, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Martian

Looked at another way, it's perfectly okay to pray when diagnosed with cancer, but it's also important to understand that prayer is not a substitute for chemotherapy.

What do you make of the Jehovah's Witness' belief about not taking blood to include blood transfusions then? Many people have died refusing transfusions for this reason. Of course they are entitled to this, but what if it's their children?

Martian · 04-19-2008, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by allaboutmusic

What do you make of the Jehovah's Witness' belief about not taking blood to include blood transfusions then? Many people have died refusing transfusions for this reason. Of course they are entitled to this, but what if it's their children?

It's irresponsible.

I don't want to get down on people for their beliefs, and I'm not really interested in discussing the merits of various religions. If you as an adult make a choice to place your faith before your own personal well-being, I say more power to you. When there's a child involved, however, it's a different story. This little girl doesn't get to make a choice, and there's a strong possibility that she's going to suffer because of the decision her parents have made. There is no reason not to make sure she gets adequate medical care here. They can be believe she's a goddess all they want, but why does that exclude the possibility of giving her a CT scan and making sure she is otherwise healthy?

My respect for religion does not extend to neglecting a child. If that makes me judgemental, so be it.

Datalife2 · 04-20-2008, 07:47 AM

That is freaky. I wonder what will happen to it/them?

MSD · 04-21-2008, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by allaboutmusic

What do you make of the Jehovah's Witness' belief about not taking blood to include blood transfusions then? Many people have died refusing transfusions for this reason. Of course they are entitled to this, but what if it's their children?

If they're able to make their own decision, I think it's stupid but I accept it. If they make the decision for their children, I think it's child abuse.

Manuel Hong · 04-22-2008, 02:12 PM

I apologize for the minor threadjack, but the pharmaceutical industry has done an excellent job of brainwashing the masses into believing that modern invasive medical procedures is the best and only way.
I say again, belief does dictate reality. (shamanism if you will, quantum physics if you won't)
THIS IS NOT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM "CHILD ABUSE"
These people LOVE this baby!!!!!!

abaya · 04-22-2008, 03:03 PM

allaboutmusic: I was referring more to the "awkwardness" of having sex with someone while you were permanently attached to someone else's body... not necessarily about the genetics/mother/fathership of the resulting baby, etc. But yeah, I see your point.

As for all of you who say it's child abuse/stupid/etc... are you going to send money to this family to help pay for the amount of medical intervention it/they would need in order to have a long life? I mean, I'm all for people trying to help their children medically as much as possible, in any situation... however, that's easy to say from a Western society where we can actually somewhat afford these things. If they can hardly afford to eat from day to day, and if they are uneducated and truly believe that she is a goddess, well... then that's their reality. People make decisions based on their circumstances, not based on what people typing on the internet from wealthy Western countries would like them to do.

Yes, she will probably die young. She might have died young anyway, even with medical intervention. But at least this way, the parents/community will find some "meaning" in the whole thing, and not have their belief system ripped out from under them when it's all they have. See the book "The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down," about a similar real-life situation involving a traditional Hmong family that was imported to the US, with an epileptic child. This is what happens when they don't bring in an anthropologist (or some other cultural broker/interpreter) to negotiate between extremely different systems of belief and medicine.

allaboutmusic · 04-22-2008, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by abaya

allaboutmusic: I was referring more to the "awkwardness" of having sex with someone while you were permanently attached to someone else's body... not necessarily about the genetics/mother/fathership of the resulting baby, etc. But yeah, I see your point.

Well, they already eat, sleep, drink, pee, poop and go through everything else together... if you be with someone when they poop, you can probably get used to having sex with them in the room (or having their partner's butt in your face).

Seriously though, they've known nothing different their entire lives. I doubt it would be all that awkward for them. Their partners might find it awkward though.

04-09-2008, 10:20 AM	#1 (permalink)
QuasiMondo Wise-ass Latino Location: Pretoria (Tshwane), RSA	The face of a goddess Baby With Two Faces Worshipped As A Goddess click to show SAINI SUNPURA, India (AP) -- A baby with two faces was born in a northern Indian village, where she is doing well and is being worshipped as the reincarnation of a Hindu goddess, her father said Tuesday. The baby, Lali, apparently has an extremely rare condition known as craniofacial duplication, where a single head has two faces. Except for her ears, all of Lali's facial features are duplicated -- she has two noses, two pairs of lips and two pairs of eyes. "My daughter is fine -- like any other child," said Vinod Singh, 23, a poor farm worker. Lali has caused a sensation in the dusty village of Saini Sunpura, 25 miles east of New Delhi. When she left the hospital, eight hours after a normal delivery on March 11, she was swarmed by villagers, said Sabir Ali, the director of Saifi Hospital. "She drinks milk from her two mouths and opens and shuts all the four eyes at one time," Ali said. Rural India is deeply superstitious and the little girl is being hailed as a return of the Hindu goddess of valor, Durga, a fiery deity traditionally depicted with three eyes and many arms. Up to 100 people have been visiting Lali at her home every day to touch her feet out of respect, offer money and receive blessings, Singh told AP. "Lali is God's gift to us," said Jaipal Singh, a member of the local village council. "She has brought fame to our village." Village chief Daulat Ram said he planned to build a temple to Durga in the village. "I am writing to the state government to provide money to build the temple and help the parents look after their daughter," Ram said. Lali's condition is often linked to serious health complications, but the doctor said she was doing well. "She is leading a normal life with no breathing difficulties," said Ali, adding that he saw no need for surgery. Lali's parents were married in February 2007. Lali is their first child. Singh said he took his daughter to a hospital in New Delhi where doctors suggested a CT scan to determine whether her internal organs were normal, but Singh said he felt it was unnecessary. "I don't feel the need of that at this stage as my daughter is behaving like a normal child, posing no problems," he said. __________________ Cameron originally envisioned the Terminator as a small, unremarkable man, giving it the ability to blend in more easily. As a result, his first choice for the part was Lance Henriksen. O. J. Simpson was on the shortlist but Cameron did not think that such a nice guy could be a ruthless killer. -From the Collector's Edition DVD of The Terminator

04-09-2008, 11:58 AM	#2 (permalink)
Kadath Muffled Location: Camazotz	How the hell does the brain sort out input from all four eyes? __________________ it's quiet in here

04-09-2008, 12:07 PM	#3 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	Does the throat meet up like a Y or something, with everything going down the same esophagus? Which face is forward? __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

04-09-2008, 12:09 PM	#4 (permalink)
LoganSnake We work alone Location: Cake Town	The same reaction was in India when a girl was born with a parasitic twin attached at the pelvis making her out to have 8 limbs. They also deemed her as a reincarnated god. __________________ Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing that you'll be an idiot in the future. Common sense is knowing that you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques

04-10-2008, 07:00 AM	#7 (permalink)
bobby Super Moderator Location: 18,000+ posts on TFP #1,2,3,4 and 5,but I'm not counting!	have you ever heard of these guys...amazing life story.... http://phreeque.tripod.com/chang_eng.html xoxoxoo __________________ "Life goes on,within you,and...with out you !" xoxoxoo

04-09-2008, 04:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
allaboutmusic Aurally Fixated	No one knows at present since the parents refuse medical examination. I hope their refusal doesn't mean that the poor girl dies early from something treatable. On a similar topic - have you seen the documentary on conjoined twins Abi and Brittany Hensel? Now THAT is fascinating, remarkable girls.

04-09-2008, 04:35 PM	#6 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Refusing medical examination = epic fail. Damned irresponsible. I hope the children don't suffer because of the parents' ignorance.

04-11-2008, 03:26 PM	#8 (permalink)
LoganSnake We work alone Location: Cake Town	On another related note, this is what I was talking about in my previous post. http://www.weirdasianews.com/2007/11...gs-and-4-arms/ __________________ Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing that you'll be an idiot in the future. Common sense is knowing that you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques

04-11-2008, 04:29 PM	#10 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Are we allowed to have pictures of children on TFP?

04-15-2008, 03:30 PM	#13 (permalink)
ring ░ Location: ❤	Our evolution, will request an openess of face, not to shy away, not to laugh away, but to embrace.

04-15-2008, 03:34 PM	#14 (permalink)
Manuel Hong Addict Location: Land of the puny, wimpy states	From their perspective, she's a reincarnated goddess. Lucky and Blessed. From others in their "civilized" world, she's deformed and will likely have complications or die. Who is right? Does belief dictate reality? Does belief in the former insure her health and vitality? Does believing the latter doom this child? If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound? Enjoy the expansion of your conciousness while you ponder this and try to suspend your judgment. Blessings! __________________ Believe nothing, even if I tell it to you, unless it meets with your own good common sense and experience. - Siddhartha Gautama (The Buddha)

04-16-2008, 04:31 AM	#15 (permalink)
Nimetic Junkie Location: Melbourne, Australia	This forum bothers me - are we supposed to laugh at the parents? They're probably not literate. How are they to judge whether their doctor is right or wrong? Could they do a quick internet search of blog sites, work history and academic records? I doubt it.

04-16-2008, 10:28 AM	#18 (permalink)
allaboutmusic Aurally Fixated	abaya, in the case of the Bunker brothers, they were men with separate sexual organs. As long as their wives only had intercourse with the appropriate husband, there would be no question of who the father was. In the case of the Hensel twins, the twins share one reproductive system. If they engaged in intercourse, would the sexual partner involved be having sex with just the one twin, or both of them? If conception was successful, who would the mother be? Are they both listed as "mother" on the birth certificate? If they each had sexual partners / husbands, would they be comfortable putting their fluids where another man puts his fluids? If they decide to try for children, would the one husband have to wear a condom while the other doesn't, or do they just see which one conceives? I could go on...

04-20-2008, 07:47 AM	#24 (permalink)
Datalife2 Insane	That is freaky. I wonder what will happen to it/them? __________________ where's my lighter?

04-22-2008, 02:12 PM	#26 (permalink)
Manuel Hong Addict Location: Land of the puny, wimpy states	I apologize for the minor threadjack, but the pharmaceutical industry has done an excellent job of brainwashing the masses into believing that modern invasive medical procedures is the best and only way. I say again, belief does dictate reality. (shamanism if you will, quantum physics if you won't) THIS IS NOT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM "CHILD ABUSE" These people LOVE this baby!!!!!! __________________ Believe nothing, even if I tell it to you, unless it meets with your own good common sense and experience. - Siddhartha Gautama (The Buddha)

04-22-2008, 03:03 PM	#27 (permalink)
abaya Location: Iceland	allaboutmusic: I was referring more to the "awkwardness" of having sex with someone while you were permanently attached to someone else's body... not necessarily about the genetics/mother/fathership of the resulting baby, etc. But yeah, I see your point. As for all of you who say it's child abuse/stupid/etc... are you going to send money to this family to help pay for the amount of medical intervention it/they would need in order to have a long life? I mean, I'm all for people trying to help their children medically as much as possible, in any situation... however, that's easy to say from a Western society where we can actually somewhat afford these things. If they can hardly afford to eat from day to day, and if they are uneducated and truly believe that she is a goddess, well... then that's their reality. People make decisions based on their circumstances, not based on what people typing on the internet from wealthy Western countries would like them to do. Yes, she will probably die young. She might have died young anyway, even with medical intervention. But at least this way, the parents/community will find some "meaning" in the whole thing, and not have their belief system ripped out from under them when it's all they have. See the book "The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down," about a similar real-life situation involving a traditional Hmong family that was imported to the US, with an epileptic child. This is what happens when they don't bring in an anthropologist (or some other cultural broker/interpreter) to negotiate between extremely different systems of belief and medicine. __________________ And think not you can direct the course of Love; for Love, if it finds you worthy, directs your course. --Khalil Gibran