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QuasiMondo 04-09-2008 10:20 AM

The face of a goddess
 
http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/WORLD/as...t.LALI.TWO.jpg

Baby With Two Faces Worshipped As A Goddess   click to show 

Kadath 04-09-2008 11:58 AM

How the hell does the brain sort out input from all four eyes?

Halx 04-09-2008 12:07 PM

Does the throat meet up like a Y or something, with everything going down the same esophagus? Which face is forward?

LoganSnake 04-09-2008 12:09 PM

The same reaction was in India when a girl was born with a parasitic twin attached at the pelvis making her out to have 8 limbs. They also deemed her as a reincarnated god.

allaboutmusic 04-09-2008 04:17 PM

No one knows at present since the parents refuse medical examination. I hope their refusal doesn't mean that the poor girl dies early from something treatable.

On a similar topic - have you seen the documentary on conjoined twins Abi and Brittany Hensel? Now THAT is fascinating, remarkable girls.

Willravel 04-09-2008 04:35 PM

Refusing medical examination = epic fail. Damned irresponsible. I hope the children don't suffer because of the parents' ignorance.

bobby 04-10-2008 07:00 AM

have you ever heard of these guys...amazing life story....


http://phreeque.tripod.com/chang_eng.html

xoxoxoo

LoganSnake 04-11-2008 03:26 PM

On another related note, this is what I was talking about in my previous post.

http://www.weirdasianews.com/2007/11...gs-and-4-arms/

Hain 04-11-2008 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kadath
How the hell does the brain sort out input from all four eyes?

I figure since she was born with all that information coming in, the brain wires itself as best it can to process it... from what I have read about how plastic brains are.

Willravel 04-11-2008 04:29 PM

Are we allowed to have pictures of children on TFP?

Kadath 04-15-2008 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Augi
I figure since she was born with all that information coming in, the brain wires itself as best it can to process it... from what I have read about how plastic brains are.

Honestly that child is horribly deformed and I pity her, but the idea is fascinating to me.

Martian 04-15-2008 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willravel
Refusing medical examination = epic fail. Damned irresponsible. I hope the children don't suffer because of the parents' ignorance.

Agreed. Biology and medicine isn't my forte, so I'm not sure if this is an extreme form of parasitic conjoined twins or what, but I am reasonably sure that there's a high chance of medical complications and that the mother is being stupid for putting the life of her child/children at risk.

allaboutmusic mentioned the Hensel twins and I decided to look them up. I found a wikipedia article, which said:

Quote:

Originally Posted by wikipedia
They intend to make a rather limited number of media appearances in the future, primarily just to appease the world's curiosity and to lessen the number of people who might otherwise be taken aback by their novel body configuration. They would prefer not to be stared at or photographed by strangers while going about their private lives. They expect to date, get married and have children.

And all I could think was 'that's going to be awkward.'

I am a bad, bad man.

ring 04-15-2008 03:30 PM

Our evolution, will request an openess of face,
not to shy away,
not to laugh away,
but to embrace.

Manuel Hong 04-15-2008 03:34 PM

From their perspective, she's a reincarnated goddess. Lucky and Blessed.

From others in their "civilized" world, she's deformed and will likely have complications or die.

Who is right?

Does belief dictate reality?

Does belief in the former insure her health and vitality?

Does believing the latter doom this child?

If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?

Enjoy the expansion of your conciousness while you ponder this and try to suspend your judgment.

Blessings!

Nimetic 04-16-2008 04:31 AM

This forum bothers me - are we supposed to laugh at the parents? They're probably not literate.

How are they to judge whether their doctor is right or wrong? Could they do a quick internet search of blog sites, work history and academic records? I doubt it.

Martian 04-16-2008 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nimetic
This forum bothers me - are we supposed to laugh at the parents? They're probably not literate.

How are they to judge whether their doctor is right or wrong? Could they do a quick internet search of blog sites, work history and academic records? I doubt it.

I don't think anyone is laughing at the parents. 'Frustrated by their ignorance' would be a better way of describing my feelings on the matter.

What bothers me is your assumption that a family in northern India must automatically consist of illiterate yokels.

abaya 04-16-2008 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manuel Hong
From their perspective, she's a reincarnated goddess. Lucky and Blessed.

From others in their "civilized" world, she's deformed and will likely have complications or die.

Who is right?

Does belief dictate reality?

Does belief in the former insure her health and vitality?

Does believing the latter doom this child?

If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?

Enjoy the expansion of your conciousness while you ponder this and try to suspend your judgment.

Blessings!

YES!!! Thank you, Manuel Hong.

Martian: The marriage/reproduction happened in the case of the "Bunker Brothers," the conjoined Siamese Twins (from Thailand, formerly known as Siam)... check it out.

allaboutmusic 04-16-2008 10:28 AM

abaya, in the case of the Bunker brothers, they were men with separate sexual organs. As long as their wives only had intercourse with the appropriate husband, there would be no question of who the father was.

In the case of the Hensel twins, the twins share one reproductive system. If they engaged in intercourse, would the sexual partner involved be having sex with just the one twin, or both of them? If conception was successful, who would the mother be? Are they both listed as "mother" on the birth certificate? If they each had sexual partners / husbands, would they be comfortable putting their fluids where another man puts his fluids? If they decide to try for children, would the one husband have to wear a condom while the other doesn't, or do they just see which one conceives? I could go on...

gonadman 04-18-2008 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willravel
Refusing medical examination = epic fail. Damned irresponsible. I hope the children don't suffer because of the parents' ignorance.

Who are we to judge the parents' belief system? Perhaps in their mind she is the incarnation of a deity, not some specimen to be poked, prodded, x-rayed, and surgically altered. Judging from the local response, she will be much better taken care of than if she was born in a western family- if you deem good care meeting her physical and spiritual needs rather than surgically altering her to look more *normal*

Martian 04-18-2008 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gonadman
Who are we to judge the parents' belief system? Perhaps in their mind she is the incarnation of a deity, not some specimen to be poked, prodded, x-rayed, and surgically altered. Judging from the local response, she will be much better taken care of than if she was born in a western family- if you deem good care meeting her physical and spiritual needs rather than surgically altering her to look more *normal*

It's hard to care for a child who's died from tracheal malformation.

Looked at another way, it's perfectly okay to pray when diagnosed with cancer, but it's also important to understand that prayer is not a substitute for chemotherapy.

gonadman 04-18-2008 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martian
It's hard to care for a child who's died from tracheal malformation.

Looked at another way, it's perfectly okay to pray when diagnosed with cancer, but it's also important to understand that prayer is not a substitute for chemotherapy.

Once again, let us be careful not to judge others by our own values. For many people, an earlier death without the rigors of chemotherapy is preferable.

We do not know what challenges this child faces. An earlier death may be preferable in certain cultures with strong afterlife beliefs. I am not saying I agree with it, I only make the point that we should be accepting of the parents decision if that is their belief.

allaboutmusic 04-19-2008 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martian
Looked at another way, it's perfectly okay to pray when diagnosed with cancer, but it's also important to understand that prayer is not a substitute for chemotherapy.

What do you make of the Jehovah's Witness' belief about not taking blood to include blood transfusions then? Many people have died refusing transfusions for this reason. Of course they are entitled to this, but what if it's their children?

Martian 04-19-2008 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allaboutmusic
What do you make of the Jehovah's Witness' belief about not taking blood to include blood transfusions then? Many people have died refusing transfusions for this reason. Of course they are entitled to this, but what if it's their children?

It's irresponsible.

I don't want to get down on people for their beliefs, and I'm not really interested in discussing the merits of various religions. If you as an adult make a choice to place your faith before your own personal well-being, I say more power to you. When there's a child involved, however, it's a different story. This little girl doesn't get to make a choice, and there's a strong possibility that she's going to suffer because of the decision her parents have made. There is no reason not to make sure she gets adequate medical care here. They can be believe she's a goddess all they want, but why does that exclude the possibility of giving her a CT scan and making sure she is otherwise healthy?

My respect for religion does not extend to neglecting a child. If that makes me judgemental, so be it.

Datalife2 04-20-2008 07:47 AM

That is freaky. I wonder what will happen to it/them?

MSD 04-21-2008 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allaboutmusic
What do you make of the Jehovah's Witness' belief about not taking blood to include blood transfusions then? Many people have died refusing transfusions for this reason. Of course they are entitled to this, but what if it's their children?

If they're able to make their own decision, I think it's stupid but I accept it. If they make the decision for their children, I think it's child abuse.

Manuel Hong 04-22-2008 02:12 PM

I apologize for the minor threadjack, but the pharmaceutical industry has done an excellent job of brainwashing the masses into believing that modern invasive medical procedures is the best and only way.
I say again, belief does dictate reality. (shamanism if you will, quantum physics if you won't)
THIS IS NOT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM "CHILD ABUSE"
These people LOVE this baby!!!!!!

abaya 04-22-2008 03:03 PM

allaboutmusic: I was referring more to the "awkwardness" of having sex with someone while you were permanently attached to someone else's body... not necessarily about the genetics/mother/fathership of the resulting baby, etc. But yeah, I see your point.

As for all of you who say it's child abuse/stupid/etc... are you going to send money to this family to help pay for the amount of medical intervention it/they would need in order to have a long life? I mean, I'm all for people trying to help their children medically as much as possible, in any situation... however, that's easy to say from a Western society where we can actually somewhat afford these things. If they can hardly afford to eat from day to day, and if they are uneducated and truly believe that she is a goddess, well... then that's their reality. People make decisions based on their circumstances, not based on what people typing on the internet from wealthy Western countries would like them to do.

Yes, she will probably die young. She might have died young anyway, even with medical intervention. But at least this way, the parents/community will find some "meaning" in the whole thing, and not have their belief system ripped out from under them when it's all they have. See the book "The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down," about a similar real-life situation involving a traditional Hmong family that was imported to the US, with an epileptic child. This is what happens when they don't bring in an anthropologist (or some other cultural broker/interpreter) to negotiate between extremely different systems of belief and medicine.

allaboutmusic 04-22-2008 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abaya
allaboutmusic: I was referring more to the "awkwardness" of having sex with someone while you were permanently attached to someone else's body... not necessarily about the genetics/mother/fathership of the resulting baby, etc. But yeah, I see your point.

Well, they already eat, sleep, drink, pee, poop and go through everything else together... if you be with someone when they poop, you can probably get used to having sex with them in the room (or having their partner's butt in your face). :lol:

Seriously though, they've known nothing different their entire lives. I doubt it would be all that awkward for them. Their partners might find it awkward though.


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