Gilda

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hut3VRL5XRE

This just makes me smile and smile.

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spectre

hah! The best part about that video is how he goes right back like nothing happened. I would really like to see a professor do something like that in class one day. Some of the kids are dumb enough to deserve that.

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Willravel

I'd sign up for his class.

Lady Sage

ROFL! Loved it! Nothing less than the kid deserved. Put it on silent mode and get back to them later. Its not like teach didnt give him plenty of opportunity and (I assume) dirty looks to get him to hang up.

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Gilda

Usually I hate those "angry teacher" videos on YouTube, but this was quite entertaining.

Youtube + video cell phones has created a new game in many high schools. Students make a sport out of antagonizing a teacher to the point that he (it's usually a male teaher) gets angry so they can get it on video. Some of the dimwits put videos up of the baiting even when the teacher doesn't take the bait.

It's true that baiting irritable teachers has always been something students (boys more commonly than girls) have done, but the cheap, easily concealed videos have made it much more tempting.

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Carno

Huh... I've never actually seen those types of videos before, and I didn't know students baited professors to catch them on camera.

That shit really wouldn't have flown at my school.

Tamerlain

I've fantasized about doing that to people in the library. I've yet to have someone actually answer their phone in any of my classes though. Usually they just turn the ringer off and apologize.

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Charlatan

Very funny. Stupid idiot shouldn't be talking on his phone in class.

I wonder what the fall out from that was...

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Gilda

It's much more common in high schools. There are probably a couple dozen up on Youtube and google video right now.

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Jinn

Guess I'm the only one who thinks this is ridiculous.

How cocky do you have to be as a teacher than you think your class means so-damned-much that you can destroy another person's property?

If someone wants to waste their own time and not pay attention, then let them. If someone wants to waste their own time (and in this case, other's time) then ask them to leave.

Physical violence or physical destruction of property? Oookkay, prepare yourself for a lawsuit.

I've had a student answer his phone and I asked him to leave. That's the MATURE thing. He needs to get over himself and realize his class isn't the end of the world - what an ass.

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Willravel

The kid was totally out of line and totally disrespectful. Students are not the center of the classroom and they need to realize that it is a massive privilege to learn. If you want to talk on your phone, get out of the classroom or call them back. The teacher may have broken the law, but he did act in the interest of justice. If you're not mature enough to call back later, you're not mature enough to be in school.

Lady Sage

Amen brother Will.

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Gilda

I'm not endorsing his behavior, but I do find it amusing and understand the urge.

I ask students using cell phones to leave class. And by "ask" I mean "tell".

What do you teach?

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Carno

Nah, that is bullshit. No matter how disrespectful a student is, the teacher should never do something like that.

Willravel

Legally, all a teacher can do is calmly ask the student to stop. That's obviously not enough.

Charlatan

I agree with Jinn... The right thing to do would have been to ask him to leave.

The funny thing to do would have been to take the phone and talk to whomever was on the other end. "Hello? Sorry, your friend is being rude right now and can't talk."

Then hang up and keep the phone until the end of the class.


Smashing the phone is just more satisfying.

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Carno

So you recommend destruction of property?



How about some self control and maturity?

Lady Sage

Talking doesnt work. Talking can be brushed off. Action gets peoples attention and focus. Back when I was a child parents did the whole spanking thing. That worked.

Who is to say the kid hadnt been warned before? Who is to say the whole thing wasnt staged?

Was it the right thing to do? Depends on who you ask. Would I permit a teacher in my employ to do such a thing? Yup.

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spectre

The way I see it, if you're going to be a disruptive jackass in class and take away from something everyone else is paying for, then you'd better expect there to be a negative consequence to it. How hard would it have been to walk out of the room to answer the phone? If you act like an ass, you should be prepared to face the consequences of that action.

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Carno

You'd get the ever loving shit sued out of you, and rightfully so.

How about ejecting the student from the classroom? Dropping them from the class altogether?

Halx

I'm willing to bet this was staged.

In any case, with the hypothetical situation that this brings up:

How cocky do you have to be to think your phone call is worth fielding in front of 50 other students who are there to learn? When my phone goes off, I either turn it off or duck outside to talk.

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Dilbert1234567

he was stupid enough to answer, he deserves it. put it on mute, and for god sake, if it does ring, turn it the hell off asap.

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Gilda

I wouldn't be surprised. That there was someone else recording things just before the disruptive call does cast some doubt on the situation, but it's still fun to watch.

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Willravel

I'd ask that of the student before the teacher. Self control and maturity begets self control and maturity.

Carno

No it doesn't. That's retarded. Self control and maturity are things you have because they're the right things to have.

Willravel

Tit for tat out dates morality. If you disrespect me, would you expect me to respect you? If you treat me like shit, would you expect me to treat you like gold?

Yes, maturity is something you do because it's the right thing to do. The student was incapable of that, so he instigated the encounter by disrespecting the teacher. The teacher responded in kind.

Carno

^ Which is fucking bullshit. You seriously wouldn't expect a teacher to rise above that and do the mature thing? You don't think their position requires more tact and restraint and responsibility than that of a student?

You don't think you should do the right thing even though the other person doesn't? Are you really that petty?

Lady Sage

Kids these days expect everything to be handed to them on silver platters at a comfortable temperature and in just the right color and style. If it isnt they throw temper tantrums. Its always all about the kid. One day the kids will grow up and realize that the world doesnt revolve around them.... what a reality check that shall be eh?

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Carno

So what? In any case, that is more the fault of the parents than of the kid. You know who raised the kid to be a waste of life? The lazy stupid fucks who call themselves parents.

Lady Sage

A parent can do everything in their power to help their child make the right choices. I hardly think Jeffrey Dahmers parents made him into that monster. Children eventually turn 18 and make up their own minds. They decide to be rude or not. They decide to be destructive or not.

Parents arent always the problem. Do you think every child who does drugs has a parent that does? No. Peer pressure plays a role as well, needing to look "cool". The kid decided to be an asshole. The kid needs to deal with what happened as a result.

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Carno

But when a parents teaches their child through action or inaction that it is okay to be a fuck up, then it is much harder for the child to grow into a non waste of life. Sure, people make their own choices, but if they have been set up through all of their childhood to be irresponsible and disrespectful, chances are they will never grow out of it, or it will take a long time and be very hard.

Lady Sage

Who says thats what the parents did? How do we know? Maybe its just a bad kid with no tact. Perhaps the child was using bad judgement and nothing more. I can say with certainty that if this wasnt staged and or faked, the kid will never again disrupt this class.

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Willravel

In the past, as a teacher, I would kick them out of class and confiscated the phone until the end of the class period. I don't get violent. It just doesn't happen.

If the student isn't expected to do the mature thing, then how can you hold the teacher responsible? Are they not both adults? Why does the teacher have a higher bar as far as conduct? I got cut off in my car today. If I got ahead of the prick and cut him off in turn, would I be wrong and the other guy right? Shit no.

Carno

And you think it takes the teacher being equally shitheaded to get the point across?

No, you would be just as equally wrong and immature as the other driver. That's my whole point. Yes, you expect and even require the student to do the mature thing, but if they don't, the teacher should not act like a two year old and throw a temper tantrum.

And you really don't think the teacher, as an employee of the school, should have a higher standard of conduct??? What if you went to a restaurant and the server treated you like shit? Is that okay just because some customers treat the servers like shit?

Lady Sage

Why should anyone bother? Let the kids be immature. One day they will run across someone who will beat them half to death for being too cocky.

Or will that perhaps be something else to pitch a fit about.

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Willravel

It was the instigation that made the student more guilty. Also, usually these types of videos are about taunting a teacher to the point of madness and then recording them. If it's real, you can bet they only recorded the end.

Carno

No, I agree that the student was more guilty. In my opinion that doesn't mean the teacher should stoop to their level though.

Gilda

For what it's worth, most of the evidence on psychopathy seems to indicate that it's an inborn trait.

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hiredgun

As a student, I'm pretty mortified on the very rare occasion that I've forgotten to silence my phone and it rings out loud in class. Almost any halfway respectful student would scramble to turn it off and minimize the disruption.

Picking up the call and then talking right there in the classroom is so far out of the realm of what I'd consider normal or acceptable behavior that my initial reaction was totally in support of the professor.

That said, I can't think of any good reason why he couldn't have simply thrown the kid out of class for that day. I've had professors who were very serious about not being disrupted, and they were able to maintain very silent and studious classrooms by just making it clear from the start that if you weren't there to work, you weren't going to be staying.

Brewmaniac

Most teachers would take the phone until after class, I suspect this teacher was pushed or provoked previously either by the same student or another. It doesn't make sense that he would do this out of the blue.

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