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shakran · 02-24-2004, 07:30 PM

On that, we agree.

I'm sure you will agree that people have less freedom than we did before 9/11.

Now, I'm not saying that's ALL bad - I think that we do have to take steps to protect ourselves from terrorism. However, there have been (again, in my opinion) dangerous precedents set here. The very idea (btw, this is a fact) that your credit rating can get you kicked off of airplanes under the new airline scrutiny following the terrorist attacks is appalling. Credit rating has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not you have a bomb in your shoe, yet it is being used as a criteria to violate the rights of our citizens. That isn't right, and it's not hard to see this and other wrongs happening, and to then look down the road and see the potential for a bleak future.

Also, I'm not sure where you say I have so few facts. I based all my arguments on facts.

It's a fact that we have the terrorist alert system.

It's a fact that it's been elevated many times.

It's a fact that nothing has ever come of those elevated states.

It's a fact that we have found no WMD's.

It's a fact (and I didn't even get this detailed) that the chief weapons inspector resigned and said there aren't any WMD's to be found.

It's a fact that Bush told us and the world that Saddam definitely had WMD's.

It's also a fact that Bush and company (again one I didn't mention) told us that this intelligence was corroborated by multiple intelligence agencies throughout the world - yet if that is true why is it that now, only the CIA is to blame?

It's a fact that Bush and his cronies led us to believe the war would be an easy victory. ("Any war with Iraq would be swift and would not require full mobilization . . . It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months" -Rumsfeld. )

It's a fact that Bush gave the State of the Union speech, leaving the part about yellowcake from Africa in even though the administration was aware that the information was probably false.

*shrug* I'd say I have a good number of facts to back up my opinions.

02-24-2004, 07:30 PM	#28 (permalink)
shakran Tone.	On that, we agree. I'm sure you will agree that people have less freedom than we did before 9/11. Now, I'm not saying that's ALL bad - I think that we do have to take steps to protect ourselves from terrorism. However, there have been (again, in my opinion) dangerous precedents set here. The very idea (btw, this is a fact) that your credit rating can get you kicked off of airplanes under the new airline scrutiny following the terrorist attacks is appalling. Credit rating has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not you have a bomb in your shoe, yet it is being used as a criteria to violate the rights of our citizens. That isn't right, and it's not hard to see this and other wrongs happening, and to then look down the road and see the potential for a bleak future. Also, I'm not sure where you say I have so few facts. I based all my arguments on facts. It's a fact that we have the terrorist alert system. It's a fact that it's been elevated many times. It's a fact that nothing has ever come of those elevated states. It's a fact that we have found no WMD's. It's a fact (and I didn't even get this detailed) that the chief weapons inspector resigned and said there aren't any WMD's to be found. It's a fact that Bush told us and the world that Saddam definitely had WMD's. It's also a fact that Bush and company (again one I didn't mention) told us that this intelligence was corroborated by multiple intelligence agencies throughout the world - yet if that is true why is it that now, only the CIA is to blame? It's a fact that Bush and his cronies led us to believe the war would be an easy victory. ("Any war with Iraq would be swift and would not require full mobilization . . . It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months" -Rumsfeld. ) It's a fact that Bush gave the State of the Union speech, leaving the part about yellowcake from Africa in even though the administration was aware that the information was probably false. shrug I'd say I have a good number of facts to back up my opinions. Last edited by shakran; 02-24-2004 at 07:35 PM..