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irateplatypus · 02-24-2004, 05:23 PM

responding to shakran's latest post:

1) Possible, but not likely so far. I think that we should be on guard for that at all times though.

2) Would you feel any better if we had gone after all those countries? And no, I don't agree with the tactic of going after the strongest enemy first. Surely you can't think that going after NK first (i know i'm assuming that you hold the idea that going after it all is necessary, work w/me here) is the best idea. why wouldn't you demonstrate your earnestness and power to the weakest foe first, letting the other ones know how serious you are and how much damage you can inflict? you must bet that some will capitulate by a sense of self-preservation, it only makes sense to use the weakest target first (again, i realize this assumes that there are multiple worthy targets and that force is necessary at all.).

2.1) Simply untrue. Many countries went w/us. some other countries didn't, true. but, not coincidentally, they were also the ones with most to gain by allowing saddam to stay in power.

2.2) I may be able to cede you this point. But still, it hasn't even been a year yet and we're only a few months away from scheduled national elections. Germany and Japan have flourished since WWII, and it took us decades to get that on track.

3) Not true. I'm not sure anyone has an accurate picture of the dynamic in the President's cabinet, but have you not read the numerous reports of Powell and Cheney going at it? Same thing w/Powell and Rumsfeld. I'm not sure where you go that impression. His cabinet has been notorious for debate. The president can only choose one side to an issue. If there is a debate, he has to disagree with somebody.

*edit: i orginally addressed this response to the wrong poster, i apologize for the mistake.

02-24-2004, 05:23 PM	#24 (permalink)
irateplatypus can't help but laugh Location: dar al-harb	responding to shakran's latest post: 1) Possible, but not likely so far. I think that we should be on guard for that at all times though. 2) Would you feel any better if we had gone after all those countries? And no, I don't agree with the tactic of going after the strongest enemy first. Surely you can't think that going after NK first (i know i'm assuming that you hold the idea that going after it all is necessary, work w/me here) is the best idea. why wouldn't you demonstrate your earnestness and power to the weakest foe first, letting the other ones know how serious you are and how much damage you can inflict? you must bet that some will capitulate by a sense of self-preservation, it only makes sense to use the weakest target first (again, i realize this assumes that there are multiple worthy targets and that force is necessary at all.). 2.1) Simply untrue. Many countries went w/us. some other countries didn't, true. but, not coincidentally, they were also the ones with most to gain by allowing saddam to stay in power. 2.2) I may be able to cede you this point. But still, it hasn't even been a year yet and we're only a few months away from scheduled national elections. Germany and Japan have flourished since WWII, and it took us decades to get that on track. 3) Not true. I'm not sure anyone has an accurate picture of the dynamic in the President's cabinet, but have you not read the numerous reports of Powell and Cheney going at it? Same thing w/Powell and Rumsfeld. I'm not sure where you go that impression. His cabinet has been notorious for debate. The president can only choose one side to an issue. If there is a debate, he has to disagree with somebody. edit: i orginally addressed this response to the wrong poster, i apologize for the mistake. __________________ If you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves. ~ Winston Churchill Last edited by irateplatypus; 02-24-2004 at 06:45 PM..*